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  1. # Session Start: Mon Nov 28 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
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  10. # [00:10] <Pomax> it's a bit scary how many of http://pomax.nihongoresources.com/pages/NonsensePalette end up being usable palette combinations.
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  13. # [00:11] <OzDave_imac> Pomax: don't u roll with kuler?
  14. # [00:11] <OzDave_imac> http://kuler.adobe.com/
  15. # [00:11] <Pomax> kuler's not random =P
  16. # [00:12] <OzDave_imac> erm click the ranom button?
  17. # [00:12] <Pomax> rephrase - kuler's not a pisstake on "designer palettes"
  18. # [00:13] <OzDave_imac> ah ok :)
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  21. # [00:15] <Pomax> this thing just generates some random HSL combinations and slaps an adjective and noun label on it.
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  27. # [00:21] <OzDave_imac> procedural genesis should be used more then just humour-z
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  35. # [00:32] <BrianBlakely> Galaxy Nexus owners in here yet?
  36. # [00:33] * nimbu is now known as divya
  37. # [00:34] <moo-_-> BrianBlakely: ice cream sandwitch?
  38. # [00:34] <moo-_-> BrianBlakely: I am looking forward for cyanogenmod port for my old Galaxy S :)
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  40. # [00:38] <BrianBlakely> moo-_-: Naw. I want to know its DPI density.
  41. # [00:39] <moo-_-> aha
  42. # [00:39] <moo-_-> BrianBlakely: try here if you feel lucky http://wurfl.sourceforge.net/
  43. # [00:41] <Pomax> Galaxy Nexus, diagonal: 4.65", resolution: 720×1280, PPI: 316 (Device uses PenTile technology. Its pixels consist of only two sub-pixels instead of three and the claimed pixel density is only achieved using subpixel rendering. In any case, the ppi numbers are not directly comparable)
  44. # [00:41] <Pomax> from our good friend wikipraydia
  45. # [00:45] <BrianBlakely> Pomax: To put it another way, I'm looking for the device's values for screen.width and screen.height. That doesn't always match the physical width and height. In the iPhone 4's case, it is 320x480.
  46. # [00:47] <Pomax> ahh
  47. # [00:47] <Pomax> hmm, don't think I know anyone with the new nexus to ask.
  48. # [00:48] <BrianBlakely> This is important because the Galaxy Nexus can bust most media queries if its actually reporting 720p
  49. # [00:48] <BrianBlakely> It's not on sale in the US yet, I'm a bit helpless :P
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  56. # [01:11] <xonecas> BrianBlakely: humm, I might be able to help you tomorrow ;-)
  57. # [01:11] <xonecas> I'll ping you here if I get those values.
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  59. # [01:16] <BrianBlakely> That would be ace, xonecas. Thank you! I'll be here tomorrow
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  81. # [02:02] <rewtz> you know any free html5 video player with srt feature?
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  83. # [02:08] <Pomax> wrong question. srt is just a text format, so the real question is about an HTML5 video player with plain text subtitling. Since converting from srt to "any other format", even on the fly using JS, is trivial.
  84. # [02:08] <Pomax> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/webvtt.html
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  88. # [02:10] <Pomax> as for implementations, http://dev.mennerich.name/showroom/html5_video maybe?
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  90. # [02:12] <Pomax> looks like popcorn.js is also pretty webvtt compliant
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  109. # [03:06] <tw2113> http://www.dhteumeuleu.com/
  110. # [03:11] <Pomax> that's pretty slick, and very fun
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  112. # [03:12] <OzDave_imac> digital echidna lovin
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  114. # [03:15] <xonecas> tw2113: I wonder what is more performant svg or canvas
  115. # [03:16] <tw2113> i seem to mentally favor svg more, but that's cause i have a love for vector
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  120. # [03:22] <xonecas> hum I see, and pardon my ignorance, but can't you have vector in canvas? only raster?
  121. # [03:23] <tw2113> i believe canvas is bitmap based
  122. # [03:28] <Pomax> it is. graphics are rasterize onto a canvas.
  123. # [03:28] <Pomax> *rasterized
  124. # [03:29] <xonecas> I see, thanks guys
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  126. # [03:31] <divya> aww you and I have the same color on the ehterpad :)
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  128. # [03:32] <divya> wow IRC fail.
  129. # [03:32] <Pomax> the dreaded "wrong window"
  130. # [03:32] <divya> more like useless touchpad
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  133. # [03:34] <tw2113> is it ever the wrong window when in #html5 divya ?
  134. # [03:34] <xonecas> ^^
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  136. # [03:40] <Pomax> can HTML5 be extended so that it says "if you use HTML5 for a website, you are not allowed to do the following things: ...."
  137. # [03:40] <Pomax> and then things like full animated cursor key trapping, pdf menus, sound that plays by default, opening with a video that needs to be clicked through, etc.
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  139. # [03:41] <Pomax> why the fuck are restaurant websites still so behind (yes, I read the "why restaurant websites suck" article T_T)
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  144. # [04:02] <OzDave_imac> Pomax: the rules are set in stone like that.
  145. # [04:03] <OzDave_imac> for the second question, perhaps there is a niche there
  146. # [04:04] <OzDave_imac> social media framework so the owners can add,edit,delete the menu
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  149. # [04:10] <Pomax> yeah I've not seen it done right for restaurants where I live... might just write it and flyer the hell out of all my favourite places.
  150. # [04:10] <Pomax> "hi. your website sucks. please go start using this" =P
  151. # [04:11] <Pomax> of course most of the non-western places don't even have a website. Not so much as a single .html file on an angelfire account
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  155. # [04:37] <OzDave_imac> Sorry was afk there, I still reckon there is a niche market place there
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  180. # [05:47] <wonton> akihabara vs. craftyjs vs. jixel (javascript flixel port) Which is better?
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  182. # [05:48] <wonton> I should have just said is there a good free html5 game engine?
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  290. # [09:23] <Moonies> is there anything I should know before reading diveinto?
  291. # [09:23] <Moonies> I have next to no experience with.. anything?
  292. # [09:23] <Moonies> :o
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  302. # [09:42] <yamahaalex37> can html5 be used with phonegap to create native apps
  303. # [09:43] <moo-_-> yamahaalex37: yes
  304. # [09:43] <moo-_-> phonegap is just embedded, wrapped, webkit browser
  305. # [09:43] <shwetank> Moonies: yeah, basic html, css and javascript experience would help
  306. # [09:44] <Moonies> :p
  307. # [09:44] <yamahaalex37> thanks
  308. # [09:44] <Moonies> it seems pretty good about being approachable for people without experience
  309. # [09:45] <shwetank> yeah, even without it you could make sense of it ... but obviously having some prior basic knowledge of that stuff would be even better ...
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  311. # [09:47] <Moonies> too. much.
  312. # [09:47] <Moonies> I'd rather just pick it up along the way
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  366. # [12:34] <rewtz> you know any free HQ html5/flash video player with caption/subtitle feature?
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  380. # [13:00] <Trisox> there a lot out there
  381. # [13:03] <Trisox> rewtz: http://mediaelementjs.com/
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  389. # [13:15] <rewtz> Trisox, i think i will be using divix player and browser..
  390. # [13:15] <rewtz> i cannot start those
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  422. # [14:07] <obert-> rounded corners (trying to make them cross-browser or at least >ie6)..would be a good decent effect?
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  424. # [14:08] <obert-> i was searchin for a css detail that will help me to give to a simple classic 2 cols layout something particular
  425. # [14:09] <obert-> but i wouldnt to find something hard to be implement or too 'trendy'
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  427. # [14:09] <obert-> just a simple detail to apply to the container or the whole page
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  429. # [14:10] <obert-> what is a good css3 thing that is supported very often?;)
  430. # [14:11] <obert-> come on! gimme some creative tips
  431. # [14:12] <JakeA> Buy glitter
  432. # [14:14] <obert-> ?
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  434. # [14:16] <JakeA> What are you trying to do?
  435. # [14:16] <JakeA> columns or rounded corners?
  436. # [14:17] <obert-> searchin for a design detail that could be done via css
  437. # [14:17] <JakeA> Any in particular?
  438. # [14:18] <obert-> i readed about all those gradient,letter press,gradients css3 effects that looks to be easily implemented
  439. # [14:18] <obert-> dunno. maybe rounded corners+gradient
  440. # [14:18] <award85> I'm not sure I would count CSS as HTML5
  441. # [14:18] <obert-> so i could just add them and dont have to design an image
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  443. # [14:18] <obert-> hmm indeed i'm on #html5 too
  444. # [14:19] <JakeA> Here's the first result on Google for "css rounded corners" http://www.css3.info/preview/rounded-border/
  445. # [14:19] <obert-> i dont like trends anyway.
  446. # [14:19] <obert-> yes JakeA:) i know google
  447. # [14:19] <JakeA> Here's the first result on Google for "css gradient" http://www.colorzilla.com/gradient-editor/
  448. # [14:20] <award85> colorzilla's link is pretty good, actually
  449. # [14:20] <obert-> mhm
  450. # [14:20] <JakeA> What is it you're looking for that isn't on those pages?
  451. # [14:20] <obert-> dunno what could be a good thing
  452. # [14:21] <obert-> a lot of stuff looks like to be just 'a trend'
  453. # [14:21] <award85> are you a web designer?
  454. # [14:21] <obert-> sort of
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  456. # [14:21] <award85> in the end, everything superficial that doesn't deal with the content is "a trend". Sometimes even the content, too
  457. # [14:21] <obert-> i write in any lang except py:P
  458. # [14:22] <JakeA> Agree with award85, all design is trend-based
  459. # [14:22] <obert-> a responsive design should be well usable too
  460. # [14:23] <award85> what demograph are you aiming at? Are you looking to design for mobile or for screen?
  461. # [14:23] <obert-> i mean that it doesnt sounds to be a trend:)
  462. # [14:23] <award85> Doctors can't help a patient if they don't say what hurts
  463. # [14:24] <obert-> indeed. i'll search for something, thanks for now
  464. # [14:24] <award85> good luck in your adventures!
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  466. # [14:24] <obert-> heh thanks
  467. # [14:25] <obert-> i'm on a half way to end a very simple design
  468. # [14:25] <award85> any examples?
  469. # [14:25] <obert-> or maybe at 3/4 of the way
  470. # [14:25] <obert-> cannot spread the url atm
  471. # [14:25] <obert-> it is for fbi
  472. # [14:26] <award85> haha, well, good luck with that
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  474. # [14:26] <obert-> just a sec
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  476. # [14:27] <obert-> http://laquarra.it/media/try.png
  477. # [14:28] <obert-> the header isnt that well designed in order to be separate by the content
  478. # [14:28] <award85> that's a very small image, haha
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  480. # [14:28] <award85> I can't really give any compliments or critique with that image :S
  481. # [14:29] <obert-> uhmf
  482. # [14:29] <award85> haha
  483. # [14:29] <JakeA> I have some readability concerns
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  485. # [14:30] <obert-> retry
  486. # [14:31] <obert-> and thanks: i dont really need help, but if you got time to gimme opinions, i can listen
  487. # [14:31] <award85> I would move the content (Older Entries and everything below) up. There's a little too much space under the Header
  488. # [14:31] <obert-> yeah those bugs are to be fixed
  489. # [14:32] <award85> also, the big gray border is distracting. I would instead make a thin border, and just give the sticky content a different background
  490. # [14:32] <obert-> i was thinkin about getting something like http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/ but without a body img ;)
  491. # [14:32] <obert-> i though that a thin border would be better too;)
  492. # [14:32] <award85> :) then go with your gut!
  493. # [14:33] <obert-> mah
  494. # [14:33] <obert-> that's the header..the container borders that looks not that attractive
  495. # [14:34] <award85> also, more color! The pure black background is a little boring. I would suggest perhaps a gradient of dark gray to black
  496. # [14:34] <obert-> on the jnash site instead he added just that small detail to get a decent effect (on the borders of the container
  497. # [14:34] <obert-> hmmm it starts to be not a fast design anymore:p
  498. # [14:34] <obert-> i would to keep it minimalist
  499. # [14:35] <obert-> the black body bg is not hurtin eyes
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  501. # [14:35] <obert-> mah i'll see:P
  502. # [14:35] <award85> haha
  503. # [14:35] <obert-> too far from canvas,css3,html5 and such:p
  504. # [14:35] <obert-> (it is markupped in html5 though:P)
  505. # [14:36] <obert-> the main structure at least
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  507. # [14:36] <obert-> i dont get a lot of safari users in my area
  508. # [14:36] <award85> are you using html5boilerplate, or twitter bootstrap?
  509. # [14:36] <award85> that should handle any issues you have cross browser
  510. # [14:37] <obert-> no
  511. # [14:37] <award85> hmm, look into those 2. They'll help with the issues you may have
  512. # [14:37] <obert-> my idea is: when css are enought,use them and dont try to get some weird design
  513. # [14:37] <award85> haha
  514. # [14:37] <obert-> for instance background: fixed; works on ie6 too
  515. # [14:38] <obert-> if i start by thinkin about a simple design that could use it, i'm sure that i dont need any hacks or such.it'll be automatically cross-browser
  516. # [14:38] <obert-> same thing as @font-face
  517. # [14:38] <award85> Haha, you would think that, but IE6 has surprises with how it renders certain things
  518. # [14:38] <obert-> if it was something new that could be well supported like them, would be decent to add it
  519. # [14:39] <obert-> never tried canvas and such
  520. # [14:39] <obert-> yes award85, just saying that i try always to get simple things
  521. # [14:39] <award85> ah, well it depends on what you need :)
  522. # [14:40] <obert-> instead do things that could be viewed only on safari
  523. # [14:40] <obert-> mhmh that's the point
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  525. # [14:40] <obert-> uff
  526. # [14:41] <obert-> and more... why html5 got that <header><h1> usage
  527. # [14:41] <obert-> mah
  528. # [14:41] <award85> Do you mean <hgroup>?
  529. # [14:41] <obert-> i mean the possibility to use h1 more than once ina page
  530. # [14:42] <award85> Well, ideally headers should be used for actual organization rather than display
  531. # [14:43] <obert-> i come from old school: always used one h1 as logo/index
  532. # [14:43] <obert-> since html4
  533. # [14:43] <award85> Ah, but old school also used tables for layout. Semantics are important, meaning use tags in the ways that are appropriate
  534. # [14:44] <obert-> i'm not that old:p
  535. # [14:44] <obert-> in html4 h1 was unique
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  537. # [14:44] <obert-> even someone has never respected that rule
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  541. # [14:47] <Phae> html4 only specified order, not number. more than 1 h1 has always been valid. it was ATs that asked that you not do that. convention, rather than a rule, iirc.
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  544. # [14:49] <obert-> anyway
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  549. # [14:52] <obert-> gray palettes huh
  550. # [14:54] <award85> Even a gray scale can look colorful and elegant, compared to stark black and white
  551. # [14:54] <obert-> thanks for now.i'll show you something decent,i hope:p
  552. # [14:54] <award85> Play around a bit :) Nothing is perfect the first try
  553. # [14:55] <obert-> well i'm just at design,so i have to start from black and white
  554. # [14:55] <award85> Play around in Photoshop (or whatever graphics program you use), and mix and match colors
  555. # [14:55] <obert-> css:p
  556. # [14:56] <award85> Oh, do you use Firefox or Chrome?
  557. # [14:56] <obert-> firefox when it doesnt crash
  558. # [14:56] <award85> If you haven't already, I would recommend using the WebDeveloper addon
  559. # [14:56] <obert-> wd+firebug
  560. # [14:56] <award85> :) good
  561. # [14:57] <obert-> and when the page looks decent, you just paste the resoult in your .css. yes, we're agreed that seems to be the faster way to design
  562. # [14:57] <award85> ;)
  563. # [14:57] <obert-> chrome should be good too
  564. # [14:57] <obert-> just i am not ;)
  565. # [14:58] <award85> With everything, time
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  567. # [14:58] <obert-> mhm
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  572. # [15:02] <Jon47> wouldn't count on hgroup sticking around
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  574. # [15:05] <BrianBlakely> Going to make a page consisting of nothing but hgroups, just to spite various consortiums
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  576. # [15:06] <obert-> ...
  577. # [15:07] <award85> Is there talk about hgroup being made obsolete already?
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  584. # [15:17] <obert-> :)
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  609. # [15:38] <mbrevda> anyone know how to get <progress> diploid vertically in chrome/webkit? mozilla has a -moz-orient: vertical; option - anything like that for webkit?
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  612. # [15:40] <jakefolio> I haven't tried, but can you apply a transform to make it go vertical?
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  616. # [15:49] <BrianBlakely> If you're writing in HTML5, you can use hgroups
  617. # [15:49] <BrianBlakely> If you're writing in HTML6, you can't
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  621. # [15:57] <jakefolio> BrianBlakely: I was referring to mbrevda question in regard to having a vertical progress
  622. # [15:57] <BrianBlakely> jakefolio: I'm sorry?
  623. # [15:58] <mbrevda> BrianBlakely: how?
  624. # [15:58] <mbrevda> hgroup seems to be for grouping headers
  625. # [15:59] <mbrevda> BrianBlakely: nm, brainfart
  626. # [15:59] <BrianBlakely> mbrevda: :P
  627. # [15:59] <mbrevda> jakefolio: good theory, poking around
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  631. # [16:04] <mbrevda> jakefolio: awesome, thanks!
  632. # [16:04] <jakefolio> np
  633. # [16:04] <BrianBlakely> I am confused
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  709. # [17:46] <jarek> is "name" word reserved in JavaScript?
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  711. # [17:47] <jarek> all text editors are highlighting it when I'm using it as variable name, not sure why
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  713. # [17:49] <miketaylr> i don't believe so, jarek
  714. # [17:49] <jarek> it's not listed on MDN as reserved word
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  720. # [17:52] <ricardodani> hello everyone, someone knows a open source application to play's videos (in html5 or whatevers) with support to autentication or whatever customization?
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  736. # [18:04] <BrianBlakely1> Ping xonecas
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  744. # [18:15] <jarek> which browsers support @page atrule? Is IE10 going to support it?
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  759. # [18:28] <moo-_-> jarek: who cares about IE10, when IE9 has 1% market share :)
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  775. # [18:41] <moo-_-> is there any "beta-access" program for desktop safari?
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  779. # [18:51] <divya> pay 100 bucks and get in on it.
  780. # [18:52] <moo-_-> divya: I know about the Apple's development program, but does it include beta safari?
  781. # [18:52] <divya> moo-_-: i think so because browser is bundled with OS.
  782. # [18:53] <moo-_-> hmm
  783. # [18:53] <divya> those who were on dev program got access to safari 5.1 earlier than rest
  784. # [18:53] <c_t_montgomery> it does include beta safari
  785. # [18:53] <moo-_-> c_t_montgomery: ok thanks
  786. # [18:53] <moo-_-> might be worth of my bucks then
  787. # [18:53] <moo-_-> I was just checking that nightly safari includes FileReader API (according to MDN), but the current 5.1 release does not
  788. # [18:54] <divya> nightly you mean webkits
  789. # [18:54] <divya> that is free
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  791. # [18:54] <divya> g nightly webkit
  792. # [18:54] <divya> err
  793. # [18:54] <divya> ?g nightly webkit
  794. # [18:54] <bot-t> divya, WebKit Nightly Builds - http://nightly.webkit.org/
  795. # [18:54] <c_t_montgomery> yep yep
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  802. # [19:02] <thatryan> anyone looked into the google closure stylesheet thing?
  803. # [19:02] <BrianBlakely> divya: You talk to Fyrd, right? Where do those Saf6 numbers on caniuse spring from?
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  805. # [19:02] <divya> yeah i do. most likely coz its in the nightly
  806. # [19:02] <divya> but i can ask
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  815. # [19:15] <BrianBlakely> divya: Ah, interesting. I didn't see Apple announce an actual "6" release, so that must be speculation if he's just using Nightly.
  816. # [19:16] <divya> asked :)
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  818. # [19:24] <simenbrekken> Any way to set background position in negative right offset?
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  821. # [19:25] <BrianBlakely> Cooool - much thanks divya!
  822. # [19:25] <divya> -200% ?
  823. # [19:25] <divya> no problemo BrianBlakely
  824. # [19:26] <BrianBlakely> simenbrekken: Yeah, just set a negative bg pos, did you already try that?
  825. # [19:26] <simenbrekken> BrianBlakely: yeah but it's starting from the left negative then
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  827. # [19:26] <BrianBlakely> oh snap
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  830. # [19:27] <simenbrekken> BrianBlakely: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2497635/Screenshots/16.png I'm trying to offset the arrow on the right to align with the border radius
  831. # [19:28] <simenbrekken> Naturally I *could* grow the actual image by 2px and fix it that way but I'd rather not :)
  832. # [19:28] <BrianBlakely> simenbrekken: Right, and you want to use a hard pixel value to do that, correct?
  833. # [19:28] <simenbrekken> yes please, like right: -2
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  835. # [19:30] <BrianBlakely> Yeah simenbrekken that's probably not possible. I guess you have to modify the graphic, or rethink how the treatment is applied.
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  837. # [19:31] <simenbrekken> The alternative is converting the arrow to a block but then I'd have to deal with floats etc. so I'm just going to increase the actual image padding, thanks for trying :)
  838. # [19:31] <simenbrekken> Anyone know if prefixfree actually works?
  839. # [19:31] <divya> you could do that arrow as a css text and use ::before
  840. # [19:31] <divya> dont use it.
  841. # [19:31] <simenbrekken> That's also an answer :=)
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  872. # [20:05] <danbeam> anybody happen to know if there's a way to allow document.styleSheets[].cssRules to be read in Chrome for remote stylesheets? (setting Access-Control-Allow-Origin: * doesn't seem to do anything)?
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  874. # [20:07] <Rickkk> hi. I am trying to open m.youtube.com using an ordinary browser but to be able to play the videos using HTML5. To do that, I spoofed User-Agent of Firefox, and added there a string corresponding to iPhone's Safari. Everything works nice, I see a nice "iPhone-like" version of the website (instead of an ordinary m.youtube.com for other mobile devices)
  875. # [20:07] <Rickkk> but the video is not being played (on "User-Agent spoofed" Safari i can hear only sound, on "spoofed" Firefox the video is hung with a "loading" spinning icon). Why that might happen? what kind of features of Safari for iOS HTML5 version of youtube site may use that the video is not played in desktop Safari and Mozilla?
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  880. # [20:08] <Rickkk> are desktop web browsers missing some HTML5 video rendering features that mobile Safari provides?
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  887. # [20:15] <divya> does anyone working on imdb hang here?
  888. # [20:15] <divya> (or know anyone working on imdb.com)
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  894. # [20:23] <danbeam> divya: another -o-* crusade?
  895. # [20:23] <divya> yep danbeam!
  896. # [20:23] <danbeam> divya: lol, called it
  897. # [20:24] <meh> Hey there guys.
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  899. # [20:24] <moo-_-> Rickkk: RTSP might happen
  900. # [20:24] <moo-_-> if it's not HTTP streaming
  901. # [20:24] <moo-_-> check the video link
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  905. # [20:24] <moo-_-> if it's http and .mp4 then it should open directly
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  919. # [20:46] <Rickkk> moo-_-: rtsp is opened, when m.youtube.com is requested by "User-Agent=Safari for Mac" and is played weill. However, if I spoof User-Agent with "Safari for iPhone" i get a pretty iPhone-looking page, and the video is an HTML5 <video> rag (as i understand). I just am trying to find the reason why this HTML5 video can't be played. It seems like the Desktop Safari doesn't support some features that the iOS Safari supports.
  920. # [20:46] <Rickkk> tag*
  921. # [20:46] <moo-_-> Rickkk: can you open the raw video file?
  922. # [20:47] <moo-_-> is it problem with encoding or with HTML5?
  923. # [20:50] <Rickkk> yes, i have intercepted traffic with Wireshark, and I got a link that, double-clicked, is opened and played
  924. # [20:52] <Rickkk> i don't know what the problem is.. That's what I am trying to figure out. I believe with youtube using some iPhone specific features of Safari (because when sending http requests i am pretending being iPhone to get that pretty looks of the website and to actually get HTML5 videos instead of RTSP or Flash)
  925. # [20:53] <Rickkk> (i am not sure if there are iOS specific HTML commands though)
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  928. # [20:59] <moo-_-> Rickkk: it might do video detection based on browser features
  929. # [20:59] <moo-_-> canPlayType() API
  930. # [20:59] <moo-_-> or whatever it is called
  931. # [20:59] <moo-_-> so no point spoofing ids
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  933. # [21:05] <Rickkk> but then, Safari still plays sound when i press "play" on that video control, but no video..
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  935. # [21:06] <moo-_-> Rickkk: does your Safari/quicktime play the file when you download it direcly from the link and open it in your browser?
  936. # [21:06] <Rickkk> yes
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  940. # [21:07] <Rickkk> i copied a link from wireshark (that safari requests), and opened it in safari. It plays the link
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  948. # [21:20] <Rickkk> that's why i was guessing that the problem is with html code (actually there's a lot of javascript, that build that html5 video tag, so it's difficult to get the final picture)
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  952. # [21:25] <moo-_-> hmm
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