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  89. # [02:54] <paul_irish> btw we're making this http://h5bp.github.com/igotmybeanie/ over in #igotmybeanie .. exciting.
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  102. # [03:15] <Dr4g> Looking to hire a skilled front-end guy (html,css,jquery) to do some minor work for the company. Any takers?
  103. # [03:18] <Cyberate> Need more information
  104. # [03:18] <thatryan> Dr4g: what company?
  105. # [03:18] <thatryan> where you at?
  106. # [03:19] <Dr4g> thatryan: if you're available for hire please PM me to discuss further.
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  120. # [03:37] <Pomax> default mirc /describe ... that's been a while
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  136. # [04:00] <Dr4g> thatryan: i did ping you on PM but i see you got disconnected.
  137. # [04:00] <thatryan> hey i saw that sorry, having some router issues
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  153. # [04:14] <Dr4g> thatryan: if you can ping me your email addr we can communicate there due to your router issues?
  154. # [04:15] <thatryan> lol sorry about that, i just keep switching networks now trying to figure out why i cant access my bank website
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  159. # [04:16] <Dr4g> thatryan: okay, either PM me when connection is stable or ping me ur email to take it off-irc. thanks.
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  166. # [04:27] <OzDave_imac> http://disfunksioneel.blogspot.com/2011/04/linux-software-dependencies.html enjoy :)
  167. # [04:30] <Dr4g> OzDave_imac: i like his graph :)
  168. # [04:30] <OzDave_imac> hehe
  169. # [04:37] <franksalim> it's not really dependency hell unless you have incompatible dependencies
  170. # [04:38] <franksalim> and i'm not at all surprised that something like perl or python has over 1k dependencies, since a package like that is pulling in a complete platform
  171. # [04:38] <OzDave_imac> all roads lead to perl :)
  172. # [04:39] <franksalim> or over 1k reverse dependencies, as the post actually says :)
  173. # [04:40] <franksalim> for a different reason. each of those packages would be required for anything written to run on its respective platform
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  177. # [04:46] <OzDave_imac> I had an inkling you would mentally enjoy the chew on that one
  178. # [04:46] <divya> there is a graph like that for browser sources too :)
  179. # [04:47] <divya> err i mean graph of libraries each browser depends on.
  180. # [04:47] <OzDave_imac> metrics and infographs are going to get even better as we get better 3d web tools for these kind of things
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  412. # [13:05] <moo-_-> any idea how to react interactive image maps?
  413. # [13:05] <moo-_-> e.g. a big image
  414. # [13:05] <moo-_-> with mouse over highlighted areas
  415. # [13:05] <moo-_-> and related text
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  419. # [13:19] <moo-_-> hmm
  420. # [13:19] <moo-_-> svg might cut it
  421. # [13:20] <moo-_-> but not sure how to export that to IE
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  428. # [13:41] <Jon47> svg polyfills seem to exist
  429. # [13:41] <Jon47> but i strongly recommend animated gifs.
  430. # [13:41] <Jon47> god i love those things
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  432. # [13:44] <moo-_-> Jon47: probably settling out with this http://www.netzgesta.de/mapper/
  433. # [13:44] <moo-_-> I would hope to achieve two layer bitmap image effects
  434. # [13:44] <moo-_-> using clipping
  435. # [13:44] <moo-_-> but didn't find any easy way to draw clipped image regions in IE compatible manner
  436. # [13:44] <Jon47> seems pretty rad, good luck
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  552. # [16:50] <JonathanNeal> hello :)
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  557. # [17:00] <BrianBlakely> Hi JonathanNeal
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  559. # [17:00] <Conexion> Howwwwdy
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  590. # [17:32] <RobLoach> Greetings.
  591. # [17:32] <RobLoach> My new favourite website: http://html5demos.com/
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  712. # [19:32] <ProLoser|Work> hallo
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  740. # [20:08] <codepo8> eek
  741. # [20:08] <codepo8> http://forum.avantbrowser.com/viewtopic.php?t=30752
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  743. # [20:08] <codepo8> three browser engines in one ?
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  746. # [20:09] <austinbv> so how is the device api now for developing apps that can record from a user mic.
  747. # [20:09] <austinbv> all the resources I can find are 40+ weeks old
  748. # [20:11] <codepo8> not much further I am afraid
  749. # [20:11] <codepo8> we have photo recording on fennec nightly and Opera
  750. # [20:11] <codepo8> but not sure about microphone
  751. # [20:11] <austinbv> damn I really hate flash
  752. # [20:11] <codepo8> which is odd seeing that chrome has input type speech
  753. # [20:12] <austinbv> I was looking at how google did the voice input
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  755. # [20:12] <austinbv> but I remember installing a plugin
  756. # [20:12] <austinbv> I really wish the HTMLapi wasn't so opaque
  757. # [20:12] <codepo8> hmm rainbow might - but that is also a plugin
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  759. # [20:12] <paul_irish> html api?
  760. # [20:14] <austinbv> plugins are fine as long as their license is decent
  761. # [20:16] <ProLoser|Work> anyone use divvy?
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  768. # [20:24] <paul_irish> ProLoser|Work: i did but gave up on it
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  770. # [20:25] <daleharvey> I use divvy
  771. # [20:25] <daleharvey> its a pretty poor xmonad
  772. # [20:26] <ProLoser|Work> paul_irish: why did you give up?
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  774. # [20:28] <daleharvey> heh so I made a start on building a graphical web design tool yesterday, I forgot how hard coding this stuff is
  775. # [20:28] <codepo8> all-out on this demo of the new google map features
  776. # [20:28] <codepo8> http://maps.google.com/help/maps/starthere/index.html
  777. # [20:28] <codepo8> nice
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  784. # [20:38] <daleharvey> chrome borked unload :(
  785. # [20:38] <daleharvey> codepo8: that is nice
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  792. # [20:44] <BrianBlakely> Looking for a way that prevents content highlighting upon rapid page clicking (user-select: none is not a good option in this case)
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  794. # [20:45] <BrianBlakely> I guuuuessss I could use setTimeout
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  798. # [20:47] <Jon47> haha, a buddy of mine with a nervous habit will not like that
  799. # [20:47] <BrianBlakely> The problem is that, yes, user-select: none removes the visible highlight on that element, but then some other unrelated element receives the selection!
  800. # [20:47] <daleharvey> just preventDefault / stopPropogation on the click?
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  803. # [20:50] <BrianBlakely> daleharvey: Nice. I did not know that would affect selection. You rock, thanks for the help!
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  805. # [20:50] <paul_irish> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2011/11/29/html5-for-applications-the-fourth-ie10-platform-preview.aspx
  806. # [20:50] <paul_irish> ie10pp4 is out
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  808. # [20:50] <BrianBlakely> oh-ho
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  810. # [20:50] <BrianBlakely> What a coincidence
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  812. # [20:51] <BrianBlakely> user-select in the new preview
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  814. # [20:51] <divya> UGH USER SELECT
  815. # [20:51] <divya> i hate that shit
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  824. # [20:53] <paul_irish> gross.
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  841. # [20:54] <BrianBlakely> Video CC is good
  842. # [20:54] <divya> yes it is
  843. # [20:54] <divya> IE=0++ for that
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  845. # [20:55] <divya> 10 even
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  850. # [20:58] <teslan> hi folks, i am old school and new to web, been using adobe flex ... what are the best html5 UI frameworks out there?
  851. # [20:58] <BrianBlakely> teslan: Are you looking for widgets or a layout framework?
  852. # [20:58] <paul_irish> still so in love with this http://gidsy.com/handbooks/making-the-perfect-listing/
  853. # [20:58] <moo-_-> teslan: jquery ui, dojo, extjs
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  857. # [20:59] <paul_irish> ?g kendo ui
  858. # [20:59] <bot-t> paul_irish, Kendo UI - The Art of Web Development - http://www.kendoui.com/
  859. # [20:59] <moo-_-> they run on IE too, not HTML5 though
  860. # [20:59] <teslan> wast thinking widgets but now that you mentin layouts ..
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  863. # [20:59] <moo-_-> sproutcore
  864. # [21:00] <BrianBlakely> jQuery UI is my go-to for the UI widgets
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  867. # [21:00] <BrianBlakely> teslan: I haven't used it, but Twitter's bootstrap looks nice
  868. # [21:01] <BrianBlakely> ?g twitter bootstrap
  869. # [21:01] <bot-t> BrianBlakely, Bootstrap, from Twitter - http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/
  870. # [21:01] <BrianBlakely> That is a layout & skinning engine
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  872. # [21:02] <BrianBlakely> I'm not a CSS framework fan, however
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  876. # [21:03] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: I love that. An scroll-responsive tutorial-cum-infographic. FWD'd
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  896. # [21:18] <paul_irish> actually i think teslan would most like ExtJS
  897. # [21:18] <paul_irish> if he's a flex user looking for widgets
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  899. # [21:18] <paul_irish> that or Dojo / dojit
  900. # [21:18] <paul_irish> *dijit
  901. # [21:20] <franksalim> and maybe http://maqetta.org/ as a replacement for FlashBuilder
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  903. # [21:22] <franksalim> anyone here using closure library for widgets?
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  911. # [21:25] <teslan> thanks guys
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  922. # [21:37] <daleharvey> oh btw does anyone know much about the undo manage spec?
  923. # [21:37] <daleharvey> *undomanager
  924. # [21:37] <daleharvey> https://rniwa.com/editing/undomanager.html
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  944. # [22:13] <hkhalid> sup
  945. # [22:13] <hkhalid> if I wanted to use canvas and have an image clickable, do I attach a listen event and use touchend?
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  949. # [22:17] <Pomax> the canvas is not a hierarachical DOM, it's a bitmap. What do you mean with having an image clickable?
  950. # [22:18] <Pomax> do you have an <img> that's been placed on top of the canvas, or do you render an image on the canvas, and want the region it was blitted on to be clickable?
  951. # [22:18] <hkhalid> I guess I just have to use x,y coordinates to check if a sprite has been clicked
  952. # [22:18] <Pomax> correct
  953. # [22:19] <Pomax> if it's been rendered onto the canvas, you have to retain the knowledge of which region is now supposed to react to user input and add your own routing code in the canvas's general event handler for your event.
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  955. # [22:20] <moo-_-> hkhalid: maybe you can use "mask" canvas for the detection
  956. # [22:20] <moo-_-> render the sprite on a hidden canvas
  957. # [22:20] <moo-_-> each sprite with different color id
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  959. # [22:20] <moo-_-> and then just pick the pixel color in x and y coordinates
  960. # [22:20] <moo-_-> it gives you the sprite id
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  963. # [22:21] <hkhalid> thanks dudes!
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  1007. # [23:11] <moo-_-> since file input is little protected... is it possible to clear the field value normally?
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  1018. # [23:23] <daleharvey> paul_irish: I actually have a bug that is killing me, cursor disspears on window 2 if I have fullscreen flash on window 1
  1019. # [23:23] <daleharvey> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=98679
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  1024. # [23:24] <paul_irish> daleharvey: if you can find an engineer who has worked on privious similar bugs
  1025. # [23:24] <paul_irish> i can cc them
  1026. # [23:24] <paul_irish> but i cant look right now
  1027. # [23:25] * daleharvey so if you could just uh, go ahead and fix it for me, that'd be great
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  1038. # [23:30] <daleharvey> heh np, its all filed away anyway, I was just moaning :P
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