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  9. # [00:05] <Pomax> martndemus, sure, but ... http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=sqrt%28%28-1x%29%5E2%2B10%29-3.1%2C+-1%28sqrt%28%28-1x%29%5E2%2B10%29-3.2%29%2C+1.3x%2C+-1.3x
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  13. # [00:07] <martndemus> meh, the graph fails =D
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  15. # [00:09] <Pomax> slap the word "plot" in front of it.
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  25. # [00:25] <paul_irish> matjas: https://github.com/subtleGradient/Appify-UI
  26. # [00:26] <paul_irish> Create Mac apps.Use HTML5 for the UI.Script it with anything.Can not possibly be simpler.
  27. # [00:29] <tantek> paul_irish - it sounds like that's a webkit-only solution - any reason it needs to be and can't just run in your default browser?
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  30. # [00:29] <paul_irish> you mean a web app?
  31. # [00:29] <divya> tantek_: its a native app i think
  32. # [00:29] <paul_irish> right.
  33. # [00:29] <divya> so it would use webkit engine :P
  34. # [00:30] <paul_irish> the renderer used for the native app seems irrelevant.
  35. # [00:30] <paul_irish> but see Mozilla Prism for a similar effort
  36. # [00:31] <Aric> paul_irish: is there any plans for chrome on ICS?
  37. # [00:31] <paul_irish> that'd be sweet, but i dont know
  38. # [00:32] <Aric> along with ability to chrome shortcut an icon onto desktop for your webapp etc
  39. # [00:33] <Aric> run it inside chrome, cause androids stock browser just doesnt do it for me
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  56. # [00:58] <tw2113> http://www.wagon-bertrand.fr/southParkCSS3/index.html
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  81. # [01:55] <pamelafoxx> im trying to debug some weird touchstart/touchend events on the android browser and have a few questions
  82. # [01:56] <pamelafoxx> 1) is it better to bind touchstart to the body or to the actual elements? (zepto does to body, but others do to elements). 2) my app (phonegap) gets in a situation where touchend stops getting fired. it might be a JS issue but its been hard to debug. anyone seen that?
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  118. # [02:59] <ryanseddon> Can people please go to this page in lots of browsers http://thecssninja.com/demo/sclones/, i'm testing structured clone support for the postMessage API
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  122. # [03:03] <Paradoxial> Wait, had to remove the comma
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  130. # [03:21] <tw2113> thatryan ping
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  135. # [03:29] <tw2113> thatryan unping, nevermind
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  151. # [04:08] <BrianBlakely> derp
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  166. # [04:28] <tw2113> eh, another disregard ping, sorry paul_irish_
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  168. # [04:29] <tw2113> rebuilt a copy of modernizr for some IE crash fixes
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  212. # [05:56] <paul_irish> pamelafoxx: it must be getting a stopPropogation()
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  216. # [05:58] <pamelafoxx> @paul_irish hmm. so it only happens every few hours when i reopen my app. im not sure why itd start getting stoppropagation then. ill sniff around the code.
  217. # [05:58] <pamelafoxx> @paul_irish do you have an opinion on attaching touchstart to body versus element, btw?
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  243. # [06:53] <pamelafoxx> i cant right click at the moment due to a bum thumb. is there an alternative way to do inspect element on chrome, mac osx?
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  245. # [06:55] <pamelafoxx> ah ctrl+click.
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  247. # [06:59] <Wabbble> what the hell is a bum thumb?
  248. # [07:00] <tw2113> damaged/hurt thumb
  249. # [07:00] <tw2113> ingrown fingernail, you know
  250. # [07:00] <Wabbble> oh
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  257. # [07:29] <pamelafoxx> i walked into a pole, it got swollen and infected, got it drained with a scalpel at ER today. fun times.
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  259. # [07:30] <Cacheaway> Has anyone ever run across a problem with boilerplate build scripts concatenating and minifying all the JS correctly, but than failing to replace the script tags in index.html?
  260. # [07:32] <pamelafoxx> i use my own scripts for that..maybe its a permissions issue?
  261. # [07:34] <Cacheaway> Nope, not a permissions issue. The index file copy is created just fine in the publish folder, and the concatenated JS file is also created, but the tags in the index file are not removed and replaced with a tag calling the concatenated js file
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  275. # [07:54] <thomedy> okay i am fairly new to this but im making great progress. im building 3d apps more or less.. (kinda) with webgl however last week i updated or maybe earlier and now i cant access my webgl
  276. # [07:54] <thomedy> im running linux
  277. # [07:54] <thomedy> is this an okay forum to tlak about htis
  278. # [07:54] <thomedy> my firefox is webgl-force-enable true
  279. # [07:54] <thomedy> and still nothing
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  286. # [08:10] <grantg> Has anyone else experienced this? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707884
  287. # [08:10] <grantg> Firefox seems to never v-sync with the API
  288. # [08:10] <grantg> While chrome/webkit v-sync perfectly
  289. # [08:11] <grantg> throttling != v-sync
  290. # [08:12] <grantg> the mozRequestAnimationFrame is a lie. D:
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  292. # [08:18] <jetienne> grantg: it would be easier if you attached an example
  293. # [08:18] <grantg> My GBC emulator, wav player, etc.
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  295. # [08:19] <jetienne> grantg: without example attached it is hard to see what you mean
  296. # [08:19] <jetienne> grantg: just feedback
  297. # [08:20] <grantg> 1) Load rom into http://grantgalitz.org/gameboy/
  298. # [08:20] <grantg> 2) Start playing game...
  299. # [08:20] <grantg> 3) The TEARING... IT BURNS
  300. # [08:21] <grantg> Like when a character walks back and forth
  301. # [08:21] <grantg> It's like firefox never v-syncs
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  304. # [08:24] <grantg> I'll link a different demo instead of the emu
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  306. # [08:33] <justaguy> Here's a question I hope someone can answer http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8396564/where-are-the-styles-being-defined-here
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  405. # [11:41] <GutenTag> Can someone point me in the direction of a library (almost any language could do) for importing a file, much like Excel imports a file (and allows you to configure column data types)?
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  494. # [14:41] <moo-_-> any examples of creating web 2.0 style "beta" tag (a text in a starred circle) with CSS3?
  495. # [14:45] <dr0id> got any image ?
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  498. # [14:49] <elzapp> moo-_-: well... you can create one using the shapes here... http://css-tricks.com/examples/ShapesOfCSS/
  499. # [14:50] <moo-_-> dr0id: http://www.smashingapps.com/2008/03/03/useful-collection-of-stylish-web-20-badges-and-design-your-own-badge-with-badge-generator.html
  500. # [14:50] <moo-_-> just the text
  501. # [14:50] <moo-_-> elzapp: 12 point burst was one I was looking for... thanks
  502. # [14:52] <dr0id> show us the final product when yer done :)
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  505. # [14:55] <moo-_-> dr0id: will do
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  536. # [15:35] <moo-_-> was there a way to use other HTML elements as the background of CSS3?
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  567. # [16:19] <quackquacker> help :) if i try setting etc 4 images in element of 400px width and each picture is 200px, if i insert 4 pictures
  568. # [16:19] <quackquacker> i get this strange whitespace i cant seem to loose
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  571. # [16:19] <quackquacker> try using and removing reset sheets but no luck
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  573. # [16:20] <moo-_-> quackquacker: please duplicate your issue on jsfiddle.met
  574. # [16:20] <moo-_-> jsfiddle.net
  575. # [16:20] <moo-_-> this question serious lacks data to be answerable
  576. # [16:20] <quackquacker> Thanks
  577. # [16:20] <moo-_-> also there is no context why it is HTML5 related at all :)
  578. # [16:20] <quackquacker> it only happens in html5 :)
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  585. # [16:23] <Jon47> sounds more like a css issue to me, but i'm sure people in this room could help out if there's a fiddle to help troubleshoot
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  587. # [16:24] <quackquacker> Thank you, http://jsfiddle.net/jgUVN/2/ , if this is the wrong place for me, illl look for somewhere else ;)
  588. # [16:25] <moo-_-> quackquacker: now, how we can spot the whitespace?
  589. # [16:25] <quackquacker> you cant see the space between the pictures?
  590. # [16:26] <moo-_-> no
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  592. # [16:26] <moo-_-> you need to exact
  593. # [16:26] <quackquacker> which browser are you using?
  594. # [16:26] <moo-_-> we don't know what you are looking for
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  596. # [16:26] <moo-_-> quackquacker: firefox
  597. # [16:26] <quackquacker> When i look at the 4 pictures
  598. # [16:26] <quackquacker> there is a small space between them
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  600. # [16:27] <quackquacker> i am exspecting the pictures to align with no "margin" space between them
  601. # [16:27] <Jon47> quackquacker - this is due to whitespace in your markup (line breaks)
  602. # [16:27] <Jon47> it's because images are a little wacky but generally behave as inline elements, otherwise known as "phrasing content"
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  605. # [16:28] <quackquacker> Jon47
  606. # [16:28] <Jon47> you can make them block level and float them, or you can remove the whitespace
  607. # [16:28] <quackquacker> ill just try this
  608. # [16:28] <quackquacker> THANKS
  609. # [16:28] <moo-_-> quackquacker: use display: block; float: left;
  610. # [16:28] <Jon47> if you need to get rid of that space
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  612. # [16:29] <quackquacker> http://jsfiddle.net/jgUVN/7/
  613. # [16:29] <quackquacker> it works perfect, though now the pictures are jumping of the section they belong to
  614. # [16:29] <quackquacker> but i can clear that with a clear?
  615. # [16:29] <Jon47> quackquacker precisely right, use a clear
  616. # [16:30] <quackquacker> Jon47, moo-_-, thanks for you help on this off topic
  617. # [16:30] <quackquacker> it has saved me many many hours :)
  618. # [16:30] <moo-_-> quackquacker: good question, simple answer :)
  619. # [16:30] <moo-_-> np
  620. # [16:30] <Jon47> quackquacker actually you probably need to just test #test to be inline-block
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  623. # [16:31] <quackquacker> i set it as inline block
  624. # [16:31] <quackquacker> just checking it out without any linebreaks
  625. # [16:31] <quackquacker> and your exactly right
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  680. # [17:46] <nownot> job is wanting me to learn the concept of html 5 so they've asked me to find some sort of training to go to. any ideas?
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  682. # [17:49] <quackquacker> nownot
  683. # [17:49] <nownot> tes
  684. # [17:49] <nownot> *yes
  685. # [17:49] <quackquacker> read the html55 editors draft
  686. # [17:49] <quackquacker> and there is LOADS of good books on the subject
  687. # [17:50] <moo-_-> nownot: google dive into html5
  688. # [17:50] <nownot> well heres the thing, they're going to pay for me to go somewhere, like they want me to go. to them getting "proper training" is going somewhere and being taught.
  689. # [17:50] <xec> or check the topic
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  691. # [17:51] <moo-_-> nownot: I belive you cannot come any wiser by travelling somewhere
  692. # [17:51] <nownot> i see the links, i know there's a shit ton of info free, but they want to send me to "training"
  693. # [17:51] <moo-_-> it's not Microsoft consulting audience teaching you about HTML5
  694. # [17:51] <moo-_-> it's not a product
  695. # [17:51] <quackquacker> nownot
  696. # [17:51] <quackquacker> there should surely be a firm not far from you giving professional html5 training
  697. # [17:52] <moo-_-> quackquacker: I doubt
  698. # [17:52] <moo-_-> html5 is not a product
  699. # [17:52] <quackquacker> moo-_- i agree, but surely the training of how to use it, is a product
  700. # [17:52] <quackquacker> reasonable or not
  701. # [17:52] <moo-_-> yes
  702. # [17:52] <quackquacker> maybe moo is right nownot
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  706. # [17:53] <quackquacker> just go somewhere you like, and buy a couple good books on the matter and chill out of the office expense
  707. # [17:53] <moo-_-> nownot: if your organization thinks in that way you may either try to explain it to them that maybe HTML5 is still so fresh that there are no productized training services
  708. # [17:53] <nownot> yeah, it was hard to find a place that said they did training that didn't look like it was being taught by morons
  709. # [17:53] <andrewjbaker> ^^
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  711. # [17:54] <nownot> well I'm not against traveling on the companies dime, if they say "hey we're going to send you to seattle", I'm down
  712. # [17:54] <quackquacker> ttps://sites.google.com/a/html5rocks.com/html5-training-for-chrome-web-store-partners/
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  714. # [17:55] <Lashus> hello :) I'd like to ask for your opinion. Is it a good time to switch to HTML5 with webdesigning?
  715. # [17:55] <quackquacker> hehe
  716. # [17:55] <quackquacker> loads of html5 training for you here http://kaazing.com/training
  717. # [17:55] <quackquacker> Lashus, sure
  718. # [17:55] <moo-_-> Lashus: it depends
  719. # [17:55] <moo-_-> do you want yes or no answer?
  720. # [17:55] <Lashus> nah
  721. # [17:55] <Lashus> more liek brainstorm
  722. # [17:56] <nownot> i like the google one :)
  723. # [17:56] <moo-_-> Lashus: HTML5 offers little in design wise
  724. # [17:56] <moo-_-> it's CSS3 you are thinking off
  725. # [17:56] <Lashus> i'm a freelancer and on one hand i want functionality from html5 but on the second hand - we still have got a lot of people using old webbrowsers which are not really compatible with it.
  726. # [17:57] <moo-_-> Lashus: if you don't care about old browsers then just do it
  727. # [17:57] <moo-_-> or just stop caring
  728. # [17:57] <nownot> al their the same, damn good business. thank gus
  729. # [17:57] <quackquacker> Lashus, have you considered using something like Modernizr
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  731. # [17:57] <Lashus> moo-_-: i'm thinking about both html5 and css3 ;)
  732. # [17:57] <Lashus> quackquacker: Modernizr?
  733. # [17:57] <quackquacker> haha
  734. # [17:57] <Lashus> first time i hear ;P
  735. # [17:57] <quackquacker> sorry im so high i cant even spell something near it
  736. # [17:57] <quackquacker> ;)
  737. # [17:58] <quackquacker> Modnhttp://www.modernizr.com/
  738. # [17:58] <quackquacker> wheps http://www.modernizr.com/
  739. # [17:58] <quackquacker> it does not give HTML5 functionality, but it does quite alot for you
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  741. # [17:59] <Lashus> quackquacker: thanks :) but anyway what do u think, how much should a person like me wait to completely abandon html4? :>
  742. # [18:00] <Lashus> (yeah, just stop care'ing about people using old browsers)
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  744. # [18:00] <quackquacker> Lashus
  745. # [18:00] <xec> Lashus: you can use html5 in old browsers
  746. # [18:00] <quackquacker> it depands on what we define as old browers
  747. # [18:00] <Lashus> IE6-7
  748. # [18:00] <quackquacker> which versions of ex. IE are we talking
  749. # [18:00] <quackquacker> ok
  750. # [18:00] <xec> Lashus: but what you mean by html5 might be more than markup?
  751. # [18:00] <quackquacker> fuck them
  752. # [18:00] <quackquacker> ;)
  753. # [18:01] <Lashus> xec: i was thinking more about how new tags will work in old browsers
  754. # [18:01] <quackquacker> Lashus, you could atleast think about using html5 that has fallbacks
  755. # [18:01] <quackquacker> like inputs
  756. # [18:02] <xec> Lashus: you can use html5 tags in ie6, with a shim, or modernizr fixes that for you
  757. # [18:02] <quackquacker> or use modenizr
  758. # [18:02] * quackquacker hugs xec
  759. # [18:02] <Lashus> ^^ i'll do this
  760. # [18:02] <Lashus> anyway, what about css3?
  761. # [18:02] <quackquacker> moderizr
  762. # [18:02] <quackquacker> helps you again
  763. # [18:02] <xec> you can try css3pie
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  766. # [18:02] <moo-_-> IE8 is old too
  767. # [18:02] <Lashus> i'm mostly interested in rounden corners, gradients, transitions ;)
  768. # [18:03] <Lashus> (just want to stop using mootools ^^)
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  771. # [18:03] <quackquacker> Lashus
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  773. # [18:03] <Lashus> quackquacker
  774. # [18:03] <Lashus> ^^
  775. # [18:04] <quackquacker> Lashus, check out that moderizr
  776. # [18:04] <xec> Lashus: http://css3pie.com/ <-- helps with css support in IE6+
  777. # [18:04] <quackquacker> it can help you so
  778. # [18:04] <quackquacker> if the browers supports the given css3 corner, gradient, transition, animation etc, it deliveres to the users
  779. # [18:04] <divya> Expedia in WA is looking to hire people to work with the latest and the greatest, coming up with some new APIs to replace their old ones. Lemme know if anyone is interested.
  780. # [18:04] <xec> Lashus: for other browsers, theres decent support already, some may require browser-specifix prefixes
  781. # [18:04] <quackquacker> else you can make a fallback, like for jpeg, to tix for old users
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  784. # [18:06] <quackquacker> hav phun
  785. # [18:06] <quackquacker> :9
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  787. # [18:07] <Lashus> quackquacker: anyway moderizr just detects for me is it compatible with their browser right? I'm looking to avoid situations where i would have to write at least 2 seperate version of the same website
  788. # [18:08] <xec> Lashus: modernizr is just a start, but does a few other things, like allow old browsers to style html5 tags via css
  789. # [18:08] <xec> *cough*ie*cough*
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  791. # [18:09] <quackquacker> Lashus
  792. # [18:09] <Lashus> xec: oh, that's good.
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  794. # [18:09] <quackquacker> it has different features ;)
  795. # [18:09] <moo-_-> xec: if you are having a cough I suggest you take some medicine :)
  796. # [18:10] * moo-_- just doesn't care about IE anymroe
  797. # [18:10] <Lashus> xec, quackquacker, moo-_-: Thanks for your help :)
  798. # [18:10] <moo-_-> just force install Google Chrome Frame on IE users
  799. # [18:10] <moo-_-> it's non-admin install nowadays
  800. # [18:10] <xec> moo-_-: really?
  801. # [18:10] <moo-_-> 150 MB plug-in to make your browser work again
  802. # [18:10] <xec> moo-_-: are you an angel?
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  804. # [18:11] <moo-_-> xec: I have been called many things, but this is first time someone calls me an angel :)
  805. # [18:11] <moo-_-> xec: google provides you hosted JS file which will take care of the install
  806. # [18:11] <xec> i think i see a halo, if i squint
  807. # [18:11] <moo-_-> download -> automatic restart -> user comes back to your page and everything works
  808. # [18:12] <moo-_-> restart as is browser restart
  809. # [18:12] <Lashus> im off
  810. # [18:12] <Lashus> bb :)
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  812. # [18:13] <xec> moo-_-: but you can force it on users, like automate the process to some degree?
  813. # [18:13] <moo-_-> xec: yes
  814. # [18:13] <moo-_-> it opens javascript pop up "click here to proceed"
  815. # [18:13] <moo-_-> and then BAM
  816. # [18:13] <moo-_-> they have google chrome frame
  817. # [18:13] <xec> Suddenly; happy webdeveloper
  818. # [18:14] <moo-_-> that's the BAM sound
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  853. # [18:29] <xec> moo-_-: haha, brilliant -- apparently google decided to put waikiki.com as the default url to go to after installing google chrome frame... had me confused there a minute ^^
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  1050. # [22:02] <RobLoach> OGG!
  1051. # [22:02] <RobLoach> FLAC!
  1052. # [22:02] <rupl> RobLoach: GET BACK TO A DRUPAL CHANNEL
  1053. # [22:03] <RobLoach> rupl: K! thx
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  1077. # [22:49] <cgcardona_> tw2113: howdy
  1078. # [22:50] <cgcardona_> how ya been?
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  1080. # [22:50] <tw2113> can't complain more than usual
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  1083. # [22:51] <cgcardona_> or less
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  1085. # [22:51] * tw2113 filed a bug/feature request with Firefox to make it easy to move the new developer tools out into the open
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  1087. # [22:52] <tw2113> i want to be able to attach them to toolbars or the right click menu, instead of just Tools > Web Developr OR keyboard shortcuts
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  1091. # [22:57] <tw2113> and then i filed a bug against thatryan
  1092. # [22:57] <thatryan> wait what?
  1093. # [22:57] <tw2113> nothing really
  1094. # [22:57] <tw2113> was mentioning a feature request i made for Firefox
  1095. # [22:58] <thatryan> lol
  1096. # [22:58] <thatryan> wasnt me
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  1098. # [22:59] <Rocky_^> c'è qualche italiano qui?
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  1116. # [23:18] <tantek> who here has an opinion on the <time> element?
  1117. # [23:19] <Echoes2> I do, why's that tantek
  1118. # [23:19] <tantek> well, as you might be aware, we (folks on #whatwg, and the in W3C HTML Working group) have been iterating on the <time> element
  1119. # [23:19] <tantek> improving it
  1120. # [23:20] <tantek> would like to hear your experience and opinions about it
  1121. # [23:20] <jarek> what's the big deal about <time>?
  1122. # [23:20] <jarek> I'm hearing about it everywhere
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  1124. # [23:20] <danheberden> jarek, it just keeps running out
  1125. # [23:20] <jarek> it just another useless tag, right?
  1126. # [23:20] <Echoes2> okay cool, I'll pop in tomorrow if that's okay, just heading out
  1127. # [23:21] <Echoes2> jarek: depends on what you call useless
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  1130. # [23:24] <jarek> ahh, I see, it specifies the exact format of the time
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  1141. # [23:37] <jarek> what's the best way to find certain text string on page?
  1142. # [23:38] <jarek> I mean exactly how the "Find" dialog from browser does that
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  1145. # [23:38] <divya> jarek: Find might use tokens?
  1146. # [23:39] <martndemus> will the css propery perspective (for transforms) ever end up in any other browser then Chrome?
  1147. # [23:39] <divya> martndemus: do you mean 3d transforms?
  1148. # [23:39] <jarek> divya: what kind of tokens do you mean?
  1149. # [23:39] <divya> html tokens i am not sure myself :P
  1150. # [23:39] <martndemus> yeah
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  1153. # [23:39] <jarek> divya: let me give you an example:
  1154. # [23:39] <divya> well it is a working draft, but they might get merged into a universal draft.
  1155. # [23:40] <martndemus> i made something bad ass with 3d transforms and perspective
  1156. # [23:40] <jarek> > find('blah blah')
  1157. # [23:40] <hsbot> <hint>:1:8: lexical error in string/character literal at character 'l'
  1158. # [23:40] <jarek> should highlight:
  1159. # [23:40] <jarek> <p>blah <span>blah</span></p>
  1160. # [23:40] <Ms2ger> window.find
  1161. # [23:41] <Ms2ger> May or may not be horribly broken
  1162. # [23:41] <divya> martndemus: browsers have just started implementing 2d transforms :)
  1163. # [23:42] <divya> so yeah it would be a little more while.
  1164. # [23:42] <jarek> Ms2ger: but it return just a boolean
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  1166. # [23:42] <jarek> Ms2ger: how can I get the position of the found text?
  1167. # [23:42] <Ms2ger> jarek, and selects the first occurrence
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  1169. # [23:42] <Ms2ger> window.getSelection().getRangeAt(0)
  1170. # [23:42] <jarek> Ms2ger: awesome, thanks
  1171. # [23:43] <Ms2ger> Np
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  1174. # [23:45] <martndemus> divya: drop this into chrome: data:text/html, <iframe src=http://martndemus.nl/dev/swmode.html style=width:800;height:500;>
  1175. # [23:45] <martndemus> =D
  1176. # [23:46] <divya> :)
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  1180. # [23:51] <grantg> If anyone wants to help out with a js nes emulator, msg me for https://github.com/grantgalitz/CannedNES
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  1182. # [23:51] <grantg> It's gonna start moving soon
  1183. # [23:52] <grantg> most of the 6502 opcodes are there
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  1186. # [23:52] <jarek> grantg: I think I have already seen one NES emulator done in JS
  1187. # [23:52] <grantg> jarek: Yeah, but jsnes is slow
  1188. # [23:52] <grantg> and doesn't cover the undocumented opcodes
  1189. # [23:53] <grantg> and doesn't emulate the PAPU right
  1190. # [23:53] <jarek> grantg: I remember that I could play Contra smoothly on it, but only with sound disabled
  1191. # [23:54] <grantg> jarek: jsnes is slow as hell in firefox
  1192. # [23:54] <grantg> because it doesn't have the decode steps optimized
  1193. # [23:54] <jarek> grantg: how about Amiga emulator? Would this be doable in JS?
  1194. # [23:54] <grantg> It has multiple sparse switch tables for 6502 instr decoding
  1195. # [23:54] <grantg> jarek: probably
  1196. # [23:55] <jarek> http://www.megidish.net/awjs/
  1197. # [23:55] <grantg> This emulator has the address modes done with the instruction itself
  1198. # [23:55] <jarek> ^not real emulator, but still very impressive
  1199. # [23:55] <grantg> also, jsnes did the audio all wrong
  1200. # [23:56] <grantg> didn't buffer right
  1201. # [23:56] <grantg> not just with emulation, but with output mgmt
  1202. # [23:56] <grantg> "hack"
  1203. # [23:57] <grantg> Anyhow, using my xaudiojs lib from my GBC emulator for this
  1204. # [23:57] <grantg> As it allows gapless and low latency audio
  1205. # [23:57] <grantg> with proper buffering
  1206. # [23:58] <grantg> also has more API support
  1207. # [23:58] <jarek> grantg: aren't you afraid that Nintendo will sue you?
  1208. # [23:58] <grantg> jarek: Not as long as jsnes has been up
  1209. # [23:58] <grantg> I mean... that's been up for 3 years
  1210. # [23:59] <grantg> Also, I have http://grantgalitz.org/gamecenter/ already up
  1211. # [23:59] <grantg> I could make it boot GameBoy and NES from one page
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