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# Session Start: Fri Dec 09 00:00:00 2011
# Session Ident: #html5
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# [00:04] <movvy> hello
# [00:04] <xonecas> howdy
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# [00:05] <movvy> any idea where a good channel might be for locating some UI designers, I have an HTML 5 spec I wrote and I want to see some graphical mockups of the frontend
# [00:05] <xonecas> you might find some in here, but I'm not too sure where the artsy folk hides on irc
# [00:06] <movvy> yeah thats where im at, I know where the devs are!
# [00:06] <movvy> have you used turntable.fm?
# [00:06] <xonecas> no I havent
# [00:07] <xonecas> looks like a clean interface
# [00:07] <movvy> oh its an html 5 app, with avatars bouncing around
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# [00:07] <movvy> go in to a room and listen to some music
# [00:07] <movvy> and see the avatars if you are bored
# [00:07] <xonecas> they need to work on the code for the front page
# [00:07] <xonecas> inlined css and js...
# [00:07] <movvy> yeah they need some work
# [00:08] <xonecas> bad practice..
# [00:08] <movvy> anyways have you seen a room with the avatars bouncing around?
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# [00:08] <xonecas> yeah I see it now
# [00:09] <movvy> so I work in the VoIP space, and what I plan to do is using messaging from telephone systems
# [00:09] <movvy> to drive an avatar based call center management utility
# [00:09] <movvy> based on if they are on the phone agents will show as talking
# [00:09] <movvy> when they log off for the day they will walk out of the little office room
# [00:09] <Pomax> you realise what you're doing right?
# [00:10] <Pomax> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Chat
# [00:10] <movvy> huh?
# [00:10] <movvy> what does ms chat have to do with this
# [00:11] <movvy> this is not presence, this is an accurate representation of how a call center is running
# [00:11] <xonecas> Pomax: you just cracked me up ahah
# [00:11] <Pomax> I'm just relating your idea of avatar based chat interaction to a program that used to do that slapped on top of IRC
# [00:11] <Pomax> people had comic avatars
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# [00:12] <movvy> oh I see, I didn't know that.. its more just all of the apps int he call center space
# [00:12] <movvy> are endless grid of data and graphs
# [00:12] <movvy> and I want to change the way supervisors see their call center activity
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# [00:12] <movvy> so by showing people doing real shit, since nowadays half these call centers are off shored
# [00:12] <movvy> people would have much more of an idea what really happens, moreso then just numbers on paper
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# [00:13] <movvy> anyways I guess I will continue on for my search for artsy designerish people! :D
# [00:14] <Pomax> hm, true, but the cynic in me goes "hilarious, now Sandeep from Goa not only sounds like a guy from Kansas, but has an avatar that pretends he is one"
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# [00:14] <movvy> well its internal for the people who run the call center, its for management purposes
# [00:14] <movvy> not from the customer perspective
# [00:15] <movvy> I install Cisco Call Centers for a living
# [00:15] <movvy> this would be an addon to Cisco and Avaya Genesys, Aspect
# [00:15] <movvy> the phone system guys
# [00:15] <Pomax> ahh, I see.
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# [00:16] <movvy> they would be like i wonder what my agents are doing
# [00:16] <movvy> and log on and see this realtime dashboard with people moving around a bit
# [00:16] <movvy> and be like oh shit, joe is a lazy piece of shit
# [00:17] <movvy> fired!
# [00:17] <Pomax> the heisenberg quandry
# [00:17] <xonecas> movvy: you are using your powers for ev0l!
# [00:18] <Pomax> you can never measure both your agent's productivity and their current activity at the same time.
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# [01:15] <beardbar> whats the taxonomy of the html5 nav element. can I just have anchors within and modify with css, i.e. challenging the idea that every lust has to be in an unordered list
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# [01:17] <tw2113> cgcardona how could you not have an addon that beautifies the json?
# [01:17] <cgcardona> i'm newb chutney
# [01:17] <cgcardona> #fail
# [01:17] <tw2113> apparently
# [01:19] <tw2113> i double checked...i have it in both browsers :D
# [01:19] <cgcardona> :-] it doesn't seem to work out of the box for me in FF. Do I need to turn it on in the browser add ons section?
# [01:20] <tw2113> might have to
# [01:20] <tw2113> worth double checking
# [01:21] <tw2113> so much easier to read
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# [01:22] <cgcardona> life changingly FTW
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# [01:28] <xonecas> http://procatinator.com/?cat=9 -> this is so awesome!
# [01:29] <xonecas> just keep clicking "another cat"
# [01:29] <xonecas> there goes all productivity!
# [01:30] <Pomax> I know that trick... I just got productive, no cat clicking for me =_=
# [01:30] <xonecas> lol
# [01:30] <xonecas> you must man, it's really hilarious
# [01:30] <xonecas> if you are to look at only one, change cat=9 with cat=56
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# [01:31] <xonecas> it's been a while since I found such a good gag
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# [01:31] <Pomax> but I'm finally getting some work done T_T
# [01:31] <Pomax> getting a site out of the turn-of-the-century look. made more pertinent because it's my own site >_>
# [01:32] <xonecas> Pomax, personal site is where it is ok to procrastinate, look at xonecas.com for example :-P
# [01:33] <xonecas> please tell me you've seen the cats :-D
# [01:33] <Pomax> yeah but when your personal site is nihongoresources.com ...
# [01:34] <Pomax> it's just painful to look at now =(
# [01:34] <xonecas> Pomax: looks great man :-D
# [01:35] <Pomax> LOL
# [01:35] <xonecas> http://procatinator.com/?cat=3 -> LOOOOL
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# [01:35] <xonecas> this site is killing me
# [01:36] <Pomax> slapping most of the html/js tricks I learnt over the years onto redesign.nihongoresources.com to get something a bit more ... now
# [01:36] <xonecas> i like the old one one better :-P
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# [01:38] <Pomax> procatinator is terrible.
# [01:38] <Pomax> but I've sent the link on.
# [01:39] <xonecas> http://procatinator.com/?cat=30 -> the best one so far imo
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# [01:40] <Pomax> I like the styling on the loading icon.
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# [01:51] <Pomax> short of a div in a div, is there a "proper" way to get a scrollbar to not break the concept of the rounded border?
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# [03:29] <paul_irish> humph_: is mozilla irc down for you?
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# [03:34] <tw2113> i connected to irc.mozilla.org
# [03:34] <herbnerder> yeah seems fine here
# [03:34] <Pomax> I didn't disconnect from it in the last few hours
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# [03:40] <humph_> paul_irish: no, I'm on
# [03:40] <humph_> paul_irish: are you at a conf or some other place that's maybe exceeding max connections at a time? we block that for spamming
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# [03:42] <tw2113> i'm trying to figure out which channel on their network would be best for frontend people
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# [03:42] <humph_> tw2113: depends on what you want
# [03:43] <tw2113> html/css/js/php
# [03:43] <humph_> probably webdev
# [03:43] <ciro_nunes> php?
# [03:43] <ciro_nunes> php is back-end dev
# [03:43] <tw2113> i use it on frontend mostly :P
# [03:43] <tw2113> but that's WordPress speaking for me
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# [03:44] <ciro_nunes> hm
# [03:44] <tw2113> i need to add more js emphasis to my repertoire
# [03:44] <ciro_nunes> it's good
# [03:44] <ciro_nunes> use mdn learn section
# [03:45] <ciro_nunes> have a lot of awesome stuff
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# [03:46] <tw2113> i may have to add xchat to my desktop. connect to freenode on the laptop, moz irc on the desktop
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# [03:47] <ciro_nunes> hands on bread man
# [03:47] <ciro_nunes> ;)
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# [04:01] <Pomax> hmm. did CSS3 come with ways to enable/disable OpenType font features?
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# [04:09] <Pomax> what the hell does http://people.mozilla.org/~jdaggett/tests/textorientation.html do that locks up my entire system?
# [04:10] <Pomax> it's supposed to show off the -moz-font-feature-setting css rule, but it just freezes in chrome and FF
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# [04:25] <Pomax> hah. of course Firefox is the only browser that refuses to acknowldge that "@fontname" on windows selects the vert/vrt2 variant of the font.
# [04:29] <yamahaalex37> can I overflow: hidden a parent, but overflow: scroll a child???
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# [04:37] <Pomax> short answer: yeah, just fine
# [04:38] <Pomax> just make sure the child has a fixed size
# [04:39] <yamahaalex37> Pomax, why wont this work
# [04:39] <yamahaalex37> http://eternaware.com/index.php/downloads/item/1-content-rotate
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# [04:39] <yamahaalex37> i want the div to scroll, not the page
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# [04:43] <Pomax> you haven't given it an explicit height
# [04:43] <Pomax> either give it a pixel height, or give every container in the ancestor chain height:100%, all the way up to <html>
# [04:44] <Pomax> s/pixel/fixed/
# [04:45] <Pomax> you probably also want "overflow: auto; overflow-x: none;"
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# [04:52] <Pomax> oh, boo
# [04:52] <Pomax> They fixed onerror reporting for svg images that didn't have an error whatsoever in Opera 11.60, but not their faulty vertical align.
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# [05:23] <Aric> Why does the Twitter Bootstrap require JS for it's dropdown?
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# [05:24] <Aric> Shouldn't they do CSS only dropdowns, if they want click they could have atleast done css dropdown for degrading
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# [05:26] <tw2113> you'd have to ask them
# [05:26] <Aric> All they have to add is ".no-js .dropdown:hover > ul { display:block }"
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# [05:27] <Aric> and suggest to use with modernizer
# [05:27] <Aric> or something
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# [05:27] <Aric> theyd ont have a channel, so rants go here :/
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# [06:02] <Pomax> how the hell is one supposed to baseline-align inline-block elements in opera
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# [06:27] <sasori> test
# [06:28] <sasori> how to assign a value in an "<a>" tag ?..e.g i want each link to have a value that is coming from a database, and I want to fetch that value via js
# [06:29] <Pomax> why not build the html string from your database result, and inject that instead of trying to set values for <a> elements?
# [06:30] <sasori> sample please ?
# [06:31] <Pomax> var html = "", link; for(var i=0, e=jsresults.length; i<e; i++) { link = jsresults[i]; html += "<a href='"+link+"'>lol!</a>"; } document.getElementById('myfancylinkcontainer').innerHTML = html;
# [06:31] <Pomax> or some more, or less, elaborate variation of that.
# [06:31] <sasori> e.g <a class="saveit">Save</a> , how to do it ?...because am gonna use the value in ajax to get save in db
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# [06:40] <Pomax> if you have specific elements reserved, use id
# [06:40] <Pomax> <a id="a-for-saving"></a> and then set and get its content by id
# [06:41] <Pomax> hm. Does chrome have its own vendor-prefix? Chrome and Safari seem to be doing very different things for transforms with transform-origin set
# [06:41] <Pomax> in that Chrome does it right, and Safari does not >_>
# [06:41] <sasori> ok thanks :)
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# [06:45] <Pomax> hm, or not. maybe I don't understand how transform-origin gets computed.
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# [07:36] <tw2113> collective blogstream of the blogs for Mozilla employess/contributors/etc
# [07:36] <tw2113> http://planet.mozilla.org/
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# [10:02] <skippednote> Any good book learning about the Semantic elements
# [10:04] <skippednote> HELP
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# [10:17] <jetienne> hi
# [10:19] <shwetank> skippednote html5doctor.com (not a book, but a good resource)
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# [10:21] <skippednote> Robhawkes, ohh yah, GameAPI FTW
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# [10:27] <robhawkes> skippednote: Gamepad API? Damn right! =D
# [10:27] <skippednote> Yah sorry for the misspell.
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# [10:30] <robhawkes> skippednote: No probs. You played with the API yet?
# [10:31] <Jahan> Should I use span classes and ids every time I want to make text bold?
# [10:31] <skippednote> Yah, have been playing with since the day you tweeted.
# [10:31] <codeho> how about ?
# [10:31] <skippednote> Use for emphasis
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# [10:32] <Jahan> thanks, not right
# [10:32] <codeho> right
# [10:32] <skippednote> Yup
# [10:33] <codeho> best would be to give it a class i suppose, that way if you some day decide you want all your strong text to be pink, you can change it in one place
# [10:33] <codeho> but then you could do that on the strong or em selector as well
# [10:34] <Jahan> I have it set as class currently.
# [10:34] <codeho> hmm type=email doesn't support umlaut domains
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# [10:35] <shwaiil> hi ppl
# [10:36] <skippednote> Hello
# [10:36] <shwaiil> Q: I've never done a project using html5, but I may have to do one pretty soon. I'm wondering about drag and drop API, there's a requirement that is a really cool animation (maybe done trough js), that if you move a element from a set (let's assume UL > LI ), they will re-order. Any tips on that ?
# [10:37] <shwaiil> Note: let's say we have two rows of 4 elements, if 2 of the elements in the top row get removed randomly the others will move to their positions.
# [10:37] <codeho> shwaiil: http://html5demos.com/drag
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# [10:38] <codeho> that might be a good starting point
# [10:38] <shwaiil> codeho: tks for looking. Already seen this one, looks fine to understand. But about the animations and all that
# [10:39] <shwaiil> that's only possible trough Js right ?
# [10:39] <codeho> i suppose for that then you'll have to use js
# [10:39] <shwaiil> it looks really complex to do
# [10:39] <codeho> nah its easy
# [10:39] <codeho> use jQuery and then some lib that does it for you
# [10:39] <shwaiil> codeho: what's the algorithm for it ? u know any example ? that would be cool
# [10:39] <Jahan> is for italics. Is there anything for underlined text in html5?
# [10:39] <codeho> query ui or whatnot
# [10:39] <shwaiil> codeho: hummmm, I use jquery :)
# [10:40] <shwaiil> nice idea
# [10:40] <shwaiil> i'll check drag and drop + jquery ui
# [10:40] <codeho> shwaiil: http://wil-linssen.com/entry/extending-the-jquery-sortable-with-ajax-mysql/
# [10:40] <shwaiil> codeho: you're right
# [10:40] <shwaiil> at least for this one, this one's already done for me
# [10:41] <shwaiil> now i'll check about animated sorting and reordering
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# [10:42] <shwaiil> for backend and ajax, I'm good with it
# [10:42] <shwaiil> but tks for the link :)
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# [10:43] <codeho> well you can just pick the ordering and animation part off that plugin
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# [10:43] <shwaiil> codeho: I wish I could find a good example of what I need. Its really cool and looks hard
# [10:43] <shwaiil> actually the elements move to X Y of the elements you removed
# [10:43] <shwaiil> etc
# [10:44] <shwaiil> - - X -
# [10:44] <shwaiil> X - - -
# [10:44] <shwaiil> imagine that u remove top X
# [10:44] <shwaiil> its next - would move left and the X below would move X, Y to the 4th top position
# [10:44] <codeho> hm
# [10:45] <codeho> unless you want some fancy slow animation on that
# [10:45] <codeho> you can do this easily just with regular divs and a max width on the wrapping div and some js that removes elements
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# [10:46] <shwaiil> codeho: yeah, but with easing etc, humm :) I guess i'll keep on looking
# [10:46] <shwaiil> but you gave me some tips already that were cool tks
# [10:46] <codeho> then whenever you remove a div the other ones will slip left, then the next row's first will slip up to be the current rows last
# [10:46] <codeho> k
# [10:46] <codeho> np
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# [11:00] <Jahan> What the escape symbol in html5? Example if I want to display on a page.
# [11:01] <xec> you mean html entity? < is <
# [11:01] <Jahan> So < will display?
# [11:01] <xec> will display
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# [11:02] <Jahan> Oh ok thanks
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# [12:09] <silentimp> Hi all, I want to ask: is there any polyfill based on JavaScript implementation of HTML Editing APIs specification created? (http://blog.whatwg.org/html-editing-apis-specification-ready-for-implementer-feedback)
# [12:09] <silentimp> Or perhaps editor based on that script?
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# [12:55] <MyWay> hello, I'm using video tag with a big movie, it seems that it's loading the entire movie before starting play it, can I do something?
# [12:56] <silentimp> MyWay you may try use streaming server, but I can't say what about browser support
# [12:56] <silentimp> and also — format of video
# [12:57] <moo-_-> MyWay: yes
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# [13:00] <moo-_-> MyWay: http://static.flowplayer.org/forum/1/65763
# [13:00] <moo-_-> it is not for video tag but the same fix applies
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# [13:46] <monteslu> paul_irish, I can see why you usually don't have comments in your G+ stuff now.... "minimum wage" html5 coders. jeez
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# [16:24] <davidmurdoch> Anyone know of that site that has a nice right-click context-menu when you right-click on their logo so you can copy different formats and sizes of it?
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# [17:14] <krijn> Go divya!
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# [17:17] <divya> hahaha
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# [17:19] <paul_irish> monteslu: closed em up and blocked him.
# [17:22] <monteslu> paul_irish, The death throws of the flash proponents are kinda sad
# [17:24] <monteslu> but the name calling was inexcusable
# [17:24] <crash9> do you guys think html5 will be able to replicate all that flash is/was?
# [17:26] <tonyjcamp> I hope it won't kill the processor and battery life like flash did ;)
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# [17:29] <monteslu> crash9, I can only speak for myself, but no. It won't replicate. It will do it better :)
# [17:30] <crash9> i'm very new to web design/development. I've seen the chrome experiments. Do you think html5/javascript will be able to replace flash for games?
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# [17:31] <crash9> I haven't worked on websites since the 90's so I'm way behind the power curve
# [17:31] <monteslu> crash9, not overnight, but some major announcements with html5+ chrome's native client came out yesterday
# [17:33] <monteslu> and of course you can view my html5 pool game code if you want to get started :) https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/acjijhekaonkmkedfdabbageicfhhlgo
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# [17:39] <crash9> nice game monteslu
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# [17:55] <BrianBlakely> https://twitter.com/brianblakely/status/145183205136404480
# [17:55] <socialhapy> ★ Tweet from brianblakely: Not sure if I should be raging, but I'm pretty close (Google pushing NaCl over WebGL to gaming companies): http://t.co/oGIfmbUi ★ http://bit.ly/tmLMqs
# [17:56] <paul_irish> for some companies it makes sense
# [17:56] <paul_irish> basically every company that can get away with a NaCL port of their game
# [17:56] <paul_irish> i dont see NaCl as an authoring platform, but a compilation target
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# [17:57] <BrianBlakely> http://i.imgur.com/v2ilG.jpg
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# [17:57] <paul_irish> from what i can see perf in a webgl cant match nacl just yet
# [17:57] <paul_irish> but it will
# [17:57] <martndemus> soon TM
# [17:57] <paul_irish> BrianBlakely: what i really want to see is Unity work on a webgl target
# [17:58] <paul_irish> that'd be a huge success
# [17:58] <divya> :)
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# [17:59] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: That would be terrif. Though right now, I feel like pushing NaCL is going to prevent gaming companies from ever shifting to WebGL (or CSS, for that matter). Ugh. Nobody even even NaCL except for Google. It's creating a rift where there need be none.
# [17:59] <martndemus> Aren't NaCl games Chrome Apps/xtensions?
# [17:59] <BrianBlakely> martndemus: Not strictly speaking, but essentially yes
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# [18:00] <BrianBlakely> martndemus: It's more like Flash 2.0, IMHO
# [18:00] <martndemus> but they sure arent websites?
# [18:00] <paul_irish> BrianBlakely: IE supporting webgl would help the market here.
# [18:00] <martndemus> or embeddable in websites?
# [18:00] <paul_irish> but yeah i dont disagree
# [18:00] <paul_irish> martndemus: you can do it in regular websites just fine yes
# [18:01] <martndemus> hmm
# [18:02] <martndemus> i guess thats ok for games
# [18:02] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: That's probably never going to happen (re. WebGL on IE).. unless you heeaaard something?
# [18:03] <paul_irish> they dont tell me nuthin
# [18:03] <BrianBlakely> BTW, my congrats on your double-awards.
# [18:03] <martndemus> ie10 isnt even in beta yet
# [18:03] <martndemus> they can still add webgl
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# [18:05] <BrianBlakely> martndemus: That would be a megaton announcement. Except MS would seriously need to swallow their pride around DirectX. How could they possibly reconcile the two? It's cannibalistic.
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# [18:06] <martndemus> They dropped the directx filters already
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# [18:07] <martndemus> And I don't think IE10 would like to be left behind on the WebGL party wagon
# [18:07] <martndemus> s/IE10/ms
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# [18:15] <magnus_> Hello :D
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# [18:16] <martndemus> hi!
# [18:17] <paul_irish> .tweet paul_irish
# [18:17] <socialhapy> ★ Tweet from paul_irish: WebGL Camp #4 just started. Live stream here: http://t.co/ZBXvFqt2 Agenda: http://t.co/ipbVgLs1 ★ http://bit.ly/uU1tag
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# [18:17] <BrianBlakely> martndemus: I don't think IE<10 filters *actually* use DirectX. They aren't even hardware accelerated.
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# [18:22] <martndemus> I know they don't use actual DirectX, but microsoft somehow used the directx name for them
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# [18:26] <martndemus> oh, i have one question, i tried the added respond.js in modernizr, but it did nothing at all in ie8
# [18:26] <martndemus> is there something you gotta do extra for it to work?
# [18:27] <martndemus> (as respond.js normally does not need extra work, next to including it)
# [18:27] <martndemus> @ paul_irish
# [18:27] <paul_irish> i think respond is a little broken
# [18:27] <paul_irish> i wouldnt use it
# [18:27] <martndemus> oh :(
# [18:28] <martndemus> what should i use then?
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# [18:29] <paul_irish> ?g zomigi media queries
# [18:29] <bot-t> paul_irish, zomigi.com » Media queries presentation at indieconf - http://zomigi.com/blog/media-queries-presentation/
# [18:29] <paul_irish> ack
# [18:29] <paul_irish> she has a post abou tit
# [18:29] <paul_irish> read that
# [18:30] <martndemus> thanks :)
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# [18:44] <paul_irish> https://wiki.mozilla.org/DevTools/RoadmapDec2011
# [18:46] <martndemus> Q2 2012
# [18:46] <martndemus> User interface that scales to accommodate more tools and user preferences
# [18:46] <martndemus> that one should happen in Q1
# [18:47] <martndemus> as i think the current native tools are nice
# [18:47] <martndemus> but they eat up screen real estate fast
# [18:49] <Pomax> I don't know about anyone else, but I never have dev tools docked
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# [18:49] <martndemus> i dont have the chrome dev tools docked
# [18:49] <Pomax> I use it, effectively, as a separate program.
# [18:50] <martndemus> but seperate window is not possible (yet) for the native ff tools afaik
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# [18:57] <martndemus> awesome, the 'media queries' now work on the desktop IE
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# [19:34] <xonecas> martndemus: respond.js
# [19:34] <xonecas> is bundled into modernizr
# [19:34] <xonecas> as is the html5shiv
# [19:34] <martndemus> xonecas: its not working
# [19:35] <xonecas> :-o
# [19:35] <xonecas> it worked for me :-(
# [19:35] <martndemus> not for me :(
# [19:36] <martndemus> i just put a lte ie8 conditional comment with the unmediaqueried styles into the header
# [19:36] <martndemus> pretty much any other browser supports mqs
# [19:37] <martndemus> i dont think old ie's run on desktops with lower resolutions then 900 wide
# [19:37] <martndemus> if they do, then fuck em
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# [20:12] <tw2113> who in here is from the UK?
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# [20:13] <martndemus> why?
# [20:14] <tw2113> looking for ideas for online stores for a holiday gift
# [20:14] <tw2113> going for geeky stuff etc
# [20:14] <martndemus> aha
# [20:14] <tw2113> or design/dev stuff
# [20:14] <martndemus> then, nope im not
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# [20:31] <nohorse_> is this a god plae to chat about canvas?
# [20:32] <divya_afk> you could ask.
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# [20:32] <xonecas> tw2113: hackerthings.com
# [20:32] <xonecas> best. gift. site. ever.
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# [20:32] <xonecas> nohorse_: what's your question
# [20:32] <xonecas> i love the canvas element, like really love it :-D
# [20:33] <xonecas> divya: o/ haiii!
# [20:33] <jetienne> you can try #bbg several people doing web game there.
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# [20:37] <divya> hi xonecas
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# [20:44] <tw2113> thankx xonecas
# [20:48] <martndemus> damn that whiteboard paint looks sexy
# [20:48] <tw2113> i suddenly like http://hackerthings.com/product/super-mario-pipe-coffee-mug-100003
# [20:48] <tw2113> except the price
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# [20:53] <Pomax> that's the point. it's niche! so it's three times what it should cost!
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# [22:00] <BrianBlakely> .tweet brianblakely
# [22:00] <socialhapy> ★ Tweet from brianblakely: Chrome Dev Tools: beware DOM breakpoints http://t.co/pdv7JZKr ★ http://bit.ly/vYm6Sj
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# [22:29] <chuck_tes> im making a website. I understand the logical structure of how the site should be laid out. My question is: within the project folder of my site I have my homepage named as index.html. I know how to create links within a page to other pages. But in a broad scope, do i simply create other files such as aboutme.html, portfolio.html, contactme.html and have those in the same directory as index.html?
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# [22:30] <martndemus> yep, thats how you make static websites
# [22:30] <tw2113> they don't have to be, but it makes sense
# [22:31] <tw2113> <a href="aboutme.html">About me</a> vs <a href="somedir/aboutme.html">About me</a>
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# [22:39] <paul_irish> BrianBlakely: without crbugs getting triaged they can languish for a while
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# [22:42] <Jayflux> paul_irish on a mac when selecting styles in dev tools it includes the style.css:41 when you're copying and pasting
# [22:42] <Jayflux> it doesnt do it on windows though
# [22:42] <Jayflux> both are up to date on release channel
# [22:42] <paul_irish> see what happens in canary
# [22:42] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: It's easy for these somewhat niche features to slip through the cracks
# [22:42] <Jayflux> its a bit annoying heh,
# [22:42] <paul_irish> Jayflux: also in canary we have the media query stuff
# [22:43] <BrianBlakely> Jayflux: Just use the Resources panel and save it out
# [22:43] <Jayflux> im not back at work till next week so ill have to try it then
# [22:43] <BrianBlakely> Its way faster and more error-prrof
# [22:43] <BrianBlakely> proof*
# [22:43] <Jayflux> BrianBlakely yeah I know about that i just to prefer to copy it straight from the styles window
# [22:43] <BrianBlakely> mm
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# [23:28] <chuck_tes> martndemus: so I would have a root folder with several .html files? one for each section fo the website?
# [23:28] <martndemus> indeed :)
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# [23:34] <Pomax> gluh. finally got vertical CJK to work acceptably in everything-but-opera...
# [23:34] <chuck_tes> nice. perfect. thank you. this claified for me. much obliged.
# [23:34] <Pomax> http://localhost/Nihongoresources/Test/grammar?chapter=syntax#Styles
# [23:34] <Pomax> but no.
# [23:35] <Pomax> http://redesign.nihongoresources.com/grammar?chapter=syntax#Styles
# [23:35] <chuck_tes> doesnt work in mozilla either. :(
# [23:35] <Pomax> I had to use a div-in-a-div to make it work for IE and FF.
# [23:35] <chuck_tes> oh there we go. wrong link i suspect.
# [23:35] <Pomax> well yeah, localhost... =P
# [23:36] <chuck_tes> a div is an identifier right?
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# [23:36] <Pomax> FF and IE for some reason don't listen to changes in the width/height for a rotated div all that much.
# [23:36] <Pomax> a div is mostly the most generic element container.
# [23:37] <Pomax> it's your go-to guy when what you want to do has no specific tag available for it.
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# [23:37] <chuck_tes> i like the borders and how you scroll withing the pane. oh i see.
# [23:37] <chuck_tes> ahh cool little flash rollover. how it drops down form the right and spins. neat.
# [23:38] <chuck_tes> alright gotta get food l8er. thanks
# [23:38] <Pomax> I beg your pardon? there is no flash on this site, sir.
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# [23:39] <chuck_tes> is that javascript? or jquery? im not very familiar with web design.
# [23:39] <Pomax> it's jquery and css transforms.
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# [23:39] <chuck_tes> o0o0. yeah i read jquery has a nice instruction set. i saw one sit ethat displayed many jquery elemtns and how eye cathcing they are.
# [23:41] <Pomax> the API's useful, but its main power lies in the fact that you can perform operations on sets of elements that share some property like tag or class names.
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# [23:43] <martndemus> Ugh, writing a php framework is tedious D=
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# [23:44] <Pomax> keep it modular, make it feel like you're accomplishing many small advances
# [23:44] <martndemus> i am putting everything in classes yeah
# [23:45] <martndemus> (if that counts as modular!)
# [23:45] <Pomax> also function wise. make things talk to each other after knowing they're there, rather than object A thinking object B exists without any rational for it, and you can neatly wrap up individual components before moving on to the next.
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