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# [01:37] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: an inputs fontsize fitting?
# [01:38] <paul_irish> horiz or vert?
# [01:38] <JonathanNeal> horiz
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# [01:41] <paul_irish> line <input type=text> but fitting the width of it to match the length of text inside?
# [01:41] <paul_irish> havent seen that
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# [01:41] <paul_irish> see a lot of textarea autogrow though
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# [01:41] <JonathanNeal> having the textsize change to fit the input
# [01:42] <JonathanNeal> fontsize
# [01:43] <chuck_tes> thanks for the help earlier martndemus. coming out great. heading to the pub now. l8er.
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# [01:44] <tw2113> JonathanNeal was it you that asked me to put in some stuff to MDN? or was it someone else?
# [01:45] <JonathanNeal> wasn't me that i know of, tw2113.
# [01:45] <tw2113> gotcha
# [01:46] <tw2113> aha, that was BrianBlakely last night
# [01:46] <tw2113> checked my logss
# [01:46] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: so its basically jquery.fittext but for inputs instead of divs.
# [01:46] <paul_irish> the height of the input would be so jumpy though
# [01:46] <paul_irish> it sounds so crazy
# [01:47] <JonathanNeal> http://sandbox.thewikies.com/dappy/ paul_irish
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# [01:47] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: oic
# [01:48] <paul_irish> yeah so i guess i've seen that effect on my phone somewhere
# [01:48] <JonathanNeal> I was using it on inputs to give an iphone login effect.
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# [01:51] <JonathanNeal> It's very similar to fittext, i suppose.
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# [02:03] <nezZario> I don't like HTML5. Somebody please make me like it.
# [02:03] <nezZario> I'm confused why it's not based on xml anymore... seems like a step backwards..
# [02:04] <nezZario> we're bringing back <hr> ?
# [02:05] <shevy> based on XML?
# [02:05] <shevy> XML held back the evolution of the WWW for far too long. it's time for it to retire
# [02:06] <dpogue> HTML was never based on XML
# [02:06] <tw2113> <hr/> was never gone
# [02:07] <nezZario> i'm saying, we went html4 -> xhtml 1.x series.. then they dropped xhtml2 in favor of html5
# [02:07] <tw2113> xhtml was based on the ideas of xml
# [02:07] <nezZario> which,... ok, xhtml2 sucked before it tanked
# [02:07] <tw2113> but they never stopped with basic html
# [02:07] <tw2113> html4 vs xhtml
# [02:07] <nezZario> but, i think i have issues with now i'm going to see romanian coders going back to the equiv of <DIV CLASS=foo>
# [02:08] <nezZario> correct me if i'm wrong (please) but you don't have to have " or ' around properties in html5, ?
# [02:08] <tw2113> only in some cases
# [02:08] <tw2113> if you wanted class=foo bar you'd need quotes
# [02:08] <tw2113> due to the space
# [02:09] <nezZario> what cases?
# [02:09] <nezZario> although I really like the 'href anywhere'
# [02:10] <tw2113> not the greatest source ever but http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6495310/do-you-quote-html5-attributes
# [02:10] <dpogue> nezZario> http://webdesign.about.com/od/html5tags/f/quotes-required-html-5-attributes.htm
# [02:10] <nezZario> see that bothers the crap out of me.....
# [02:10] <tw2113> it's an option, not a requirement
# [02:11] <tw2113> always quoting is just fine too
# [02:11] <nezZario> yeah but 3 years from now i'm going to be OCD'ing on some indian guys code that I'll surely be hired to fix :P
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# [02:12] <tw2113> only if this type of thing caused breakage
# [02:12] <tw2113> i plan to keep quoting attributes myself
# [02:13] <nezZario> idk, i've been doing html since i was about 8 years old
# [02:14] <nezZario> i'm 23 now... stuff like that just sends me in a obsessive panic when people don't quote attributes or improperly nest elements
# [02:14] <nezZario> i really hope you have to at least properly nest elements?
# [02:14] <nezZario> (e.g. <section><h1>foo</section></h1> is invalid)
# [02:14] <tw2113> i can't recall that becoming valid
# [02:15] <nezZario> man, what a waste learning xhtml ..
# [02:16] <tw2113> yup, just tested the nesting example, it doesn't validate
# [02:16] <tw2113> i think the standards board knows allowing that would be stepping too far back
# [02:16] <nezZario> are <div>'s even valid anymore? or are we all suppose to start using these crazy new elements?
# [02:16] <tw2113> divs are just fine
# [02:17] <tw2113> html5 is more of an extension of html4, simplifying and adding things
# [02:17] <tw2113> not a huge amount of removing things
# [02:17] <tw2113> if you want to use the semantic tags, great, if not, divs still work as always
# [02:17] <nezZario> I hope we're still at least working toward "markup doesn't contain visual elements"
# [02:18] <nezZario> which it seems html5 is a HUGE step in that direction but I really can't be so sure
# [02:18] <tw2113> separation of markup and presentation? yeah that's still present in a lot of people
# [02:18] <nezZario> yeah i couldn't remember the little phrase
# [02:19] <nezZario> i've had a few
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# [02:24] <nezZario> oh yeah, while i'm ranting UPPERCASE ELEMENTS REALLY SUCK
# [02:24] <nezZario> i fear the code i'll have to deal with <HTML><HEAD>...
# [02:25] <tw2113> so change them on people
# [02:27] <Pomax> html doesn't care, just change them.
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# [02:34] <nezZario> i thought I could put a href anywhere?!?!
# [02:34] * nezZario disappointed <div href=""> did not work
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# [02:38] <Pomax> you... thought wrong?
# [02:38] <Pomax> what do you want the href to do
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# [02:47] <paul_irish> modernizr users.. i could use your feedback https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/issues/150
# [02:47] <socialhapy> ★ Issue #150 on Modernizr, reported by roblarsen (1y, 3w ago): Test for Web (Navigation) Timing?
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# [03:01] <Pomax> should I be worried that installing Flash now comes with McAffee antivirus bundled?
# [03:01] <Pomax> (also: WTF!?)
# [03:01] <Pomax> and for additional lollerskates, it launches IE when it's done, instead of the default browser
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# [03:12] <JonathanNeal> Pomax: madness.
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# [05:33] <teslan> when a free site building/hosing site says that it can not be used to .... make "doorways" ... what do they mean?
# [05:35] <Pomax> doorway, portal, linkfarm, it's all basically the same thing - your website has no content of its own, simply containing to a million resource links.
# [05:36] <Pomax> -to
# [05:36] <Pomax> imagine making a website, then starting with the "links" section. then calling it quits =)
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# [05:49] <teslan> ah, so no sites like the ones that are often used for parking domains ... thanks Pomax
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# [06:49] <Pomax> I would have gladly traded arbitrary global domains for ICANN to literally forbid people from putting those up, with fines of $10,000 for anyone who allows them.
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# [08:55] <JonathanNeal> Here's a weird one. IE8 doesn't allow namespaces in print.
# [09:00] <tw2113> IE8 allows stuff?
# [09:00] <dr0id> lol
# [09:00] <JonathanNeal> IE7 allows it.
# [09:00] <JonathanNeal> IE8 does not.
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# [13:58] <IamTrying> Hello.
# [13:58] <IamTrying> I have my own IP Camera, which has JPEG file. One is in UK and One is in Belgium, and One is in USA. In my application three is showing in browser. Now i need to apply motion-detect and i need to read colorspace from those. So, when i do simulation with this it does not work: https://gist.github.com/1460383
# [13:58] <IamTrying> How can i get RGB value from an image remote image?
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# [14:53] <dr0id> how are these guys preventing the default action here, http://jsbin.com/aboxoq/edit#html,live (you will understand what I mean if you copy paste the css, html code in say cssdesk.com and click the "Hello" anchor)
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# [15:47] <Fatbat> hello
# [15:49] <Che-Anarc> Can some1 help me out with http://pastebin.com/v7PiyRVh I'm trying to create: http://www.crysoptix.com/Pictures/logo_red_herring_winner.jpg but cant position text RED to baseline of first td> RED
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# [15:50] <divya> Che-Anarc have you tried border-collapse: collapse style on table
# [15:50] <Che-Anarc> Looking into it now... thanks.
# [15:54] <Che-Anarc> divya not sure what to set / specify here though
# [15:54] <Che-Anarc> with border-collapse.
# [15:55] <divya> Che-Anarc: style="border-collapse: collapse;" I think
# [15:55] <divya> i am guessing it is why its not working
# [15:55] <Che-Anarc> on the table to td?
# [15:55] <divya> Che-Anarc: if you can make it a jsbin.com or jsfiddle.net thing I could take a look.
# [15:55] <divya> Che-Anarc: on the table
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# [15:57] <Che-Anarc> divya on jsbin.com how to share with you code?
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# [15:58] <divya> save the file and u will have a link Che-Anarc
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# [15:58] <Che-Anarc> http://jsbin.com/urawam/2 ?
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# [15:59] <Che-Anarc> I'm trying to make a signiture html of this: www.crysoptix.com/Pictures/logo_red_herring_winner.jpg trying to get a pixel match
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# [16:00] <divya> Che-Anarc: if you are gonna use transforms and stuff best not to do it I think? I am not sure if email clients will parse it
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# [16:01] <divya> e.g. Lotus or blackberry
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# [16:01] <Che-Anarc> divya what do you recommend to get a close & compatible match... or no way to do it with 90 degree transforme.
# [16:02] <divya> Che-Anarc: why not use an image? >_>
# [16:02] <Che-Anarc> & that would parse?
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# [16:03] <divya> Che-Anarc: better than transforms!
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# [16:16] <dr0id> I don't get it
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# [16:17] <dr0id> http://jsbin.com/anozot/edit#html,live - click the Google link here, nothing happens (but Hello link works as expected) and http://jsbin.com/owareh/edit#html,live - all the links work fine. so what kind of magic is jsfiddle doing to make sure that Hello doesn't go to its href value but at the same time it goes cause the div below it turns yellow? (makes sense?)
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# [16:22] <jarek> dr0id: I'm not sure what you mean
# [16:22] <jarek> dr0id: this page is showing an iframe inside iframe...
# [16:23] <dr0id> well
# [16:23] <dr0id> try this code in cssdesk.com and click Hello link there - http://jsbin.com/aboxoq/2/edit
# [16:23] <dr0id> you will understand what I mean
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# [16:24] <dr0id> o hey remysharp, are you the creator of jsbin ?
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# [16:27] <jarek> dr0id: what are trying to achieve?
# [16:27] <jarek> dr0id: you want to make an element clickable, but it should not fire any events?
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# [17:14] <tgunr> At http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml_col_test and others I have been trying to get a COL to align a column so text is centered. I've tried <col align=center> and <col style="text-align:center" to no avail. How is this accomplished? Or is it?
# [17:22] <shevy> hmm
# [17:22] <shevy> I wonder how long it takes until "html tutorials" all over the world will default to HTML5
# [17:22] <shevy> right now I am still quite clueless about html5
# [17:23] <dr0id> :P
# [17:23] <martndemus> a long long time
# [17:24] <tgunr> On the col I am trying to set, if I use <td style="text-align:center"> on each row I get the desired result so I expected COL to do the same, no?
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# [17:48] <shevy> martndemus :(
# [17:49] <shevy> I like simple things... the web has proliferated a lot, nowadays you really have to know a lot to not get lost anymore
# [17:50] <martndemus> the web is like the universe
# [17:50] <martndemus> it expands each day
# [17:51] <martndemus> and more importantly old shit stays around for a long long time
# [17:51] <shevy> :(
# [17:51] <shevy> I dont understand the universe neither
# [17:51] <shevy> but as long as we humans are sitting on planet earth alone, I don't care that much about other planets
# [17:51] <shevy> *either
# [17:52] <shevy> but the web is here!
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# [17:54] <martndemus> just try to find recent articles from 2010 and up
# [17:54] <martndemus> something like that
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# [17:54] <shevy> hmm
# [17:54] <martndemus> and dont blindly trust anything older than that to work out of the box
# [17:54] <Ms2ger> Don't blindly trust anything, period :)
# [17:55] <martndemus> Ms2ger++
# [17:55] <martndemus> anyone here experience with MongoDB? (i know this is html5)
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# [18:21] <tellnes> martndemus: #mongodb
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# [18:53] <Jahan> Is it possible to code a website in html5 that uses one base page that will change the content in one of my <div> sections to text stored in a local dir by using a <a href>
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# [18:55] <paul_irish> http://pupunzi.github.com/jquery.mb.CSSAnimate/demo.html
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# [19:24] <m1ndeater> Morning. Which entities should I be encoding? All of them or just the essential 5: <, >, ", ", &
# [19:31] <Pomax> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1738.txt
# [19:31] <Pomax> scroll to "Unsafe:"
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# [19:33] <Ms2ger> Just those, and only if necessary
# [19:33] <Ms2ger> Use UTF-8 for the rest
# [19:35] <Pomax> If you are encoding manually, there's a good chance that you actually want to use whatever function is API-offered for it
# [19:35] <Pomax> like JavaScript's encodeURI
# [19:36] <Pomax> or escape() if you want more entities.
# [19:36] <Ms2ger> That would be if you want a URL, not sure if that's what he wants
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# [19:37] <Pomax> it certainly does. What's the context, m1ndeater
# [19:37] <m1ndeater> it's HTML output of user-submitted content. I'm currently using htmlspecialchars()
# [19:37] <m1ndeater> PHP
# [19:38] <Pomax> http://ca2.php.net/manual/en/function.htmlentities.php
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# [19:39] <m1ndeater> I was aware of that function, I'm wondering if it's necessary to convert *all* the characters in HTML5. For example, is html5 alright with me using "@" instead of the entity
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# [19:41] <Pomax> if it's for text content inside an html element, the only elements you *need* to escape are < and >
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# [19:41] <m1ndeater> ok, I think I should probably be using html entities.
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# [19:42] <m1ndeater> I appreciate your help guys!
# [19:42] <Pomax> but if you want to communicate it as a URI in some way, you need to escape a lot more.
# [19:42] <m1ndeater> URLs are saf
# [19:42] <m1ndeater> I generate them myself
# [19:42] <Pomax> even & doesn't really need escaping as element text.
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# [19:57] <paul_irish> lol http://paulrouget.com/e/reportFxBugOnTwitter/
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# [19:57] <paul_irish> so good :)
# [19:58] <Pomax> heh
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# [20:02] <Pomax> well, this is unexpected. jsfiddle breaks MS IME O_o
# [20:03] <Pomax> wonder what the JS does to prevent IME input after the first enter...
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# [20:07] <paul_irish> Pomax: whatcha doin with IME?
# [20:07] <Pomax> writing Japanese.
# [20:08] <Pomax> it'll work until I hit enter to commit a specific character version for a word, after that I can hit keys all I want, it won't accept it as input.
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# [20:10] <Pomax> I was going to fiddle the code I was using for vertical typesetting to ask whether it made sense, or whether there was a better way to do it.
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# [21:09] <paul_irish> http://www.satzansatz.de/about.html select the text
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# [21:13] <martndemus> =D
# [21:14] <Jakouf> Hey guys. Hope you can help me. I got following Source: http://pastebin.com/t8DED9nF I don't understand why it not works... This code is called, when a button is pressed
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# [21:16] <martndemus> what button?
# [21:17] <martndemus> how does that function get called?
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# [21:17] <martndemus> needs more context for that question to be answered Jakouf
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# [21:17] <Jakouf> i have a <audio> Tag
# [21:17] <Jakouf> and it should run if i clicked on the button
# [21:18] <Jakouf> and pause if i click again on the same button
# [21:18] <martndemus> how does that function get called when you click on the audio tag?
# [21:19] <Jakouf> <a class="logo_small" href="javascript:Audio();"><img src="images/logo_small.png"></a>
# [21:19] <Jakouf> like that
# [21:19] <martndemus> oh that's nasty
# [21:19] <Ms2ger> :\
# [21:19] <Jakouf> could be. I thats my first site I try
# [21:19] <Jakouf> so what would you do
# [21:20] <Ms2ger> Renaming the function
# [21:20] <Jakouf> like function AudioPlay()
# [21:20] <Ms2ger> For example
# [21:20] <Jakouf> thx
# [21:20] <Jakouf> I give it a try
# [21:21] <Jakouf> It starts playing the song, but when I click on the button again it doesn't pause
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# [21:22] <Ms2ger> The status variable is local to the functions
# [21:22] <Ms2ger> function*
# [21:22] <Ms2ger> So it's always 1
# [21:22] <Jakouf> is there a way to make it global?
# [21:22] <Jakouf> something like Static
# [21:22] <martndemus> put it outside the function
# [21:22] <martndemus> more precise above it
# [21:23] <Jakouf> Thanks a lot
# [21:23] <Jakouf> now it works
# [21:23] <martndemus> np
# [21:23] <Jakouf> stupid beginner mistake
# [21:23] <Ms2ger> Or use element.paused
# [21:23] <Jakouf> works as well I think
# [21:24] <martndemus> to come back to 'oh that's nasty' -> http://www.alistapart.com/articles/behavioralseparation
# [21:24] <martndemus> try to avoid to put javascript in your markup
# [21:25] <Jakouf> what you mean by that?
# [21:25] <martndemus> That's it's nicer to not have Javascript mixed into HTML elements
# [21:26] <Jakouf> oh. but how can i call then the JS function without put it in the href
# [21:27] <Jakouf> or do you mean I should take the script in a seperate .js file
# [21:27] <martndemus> element.addEventListener('click', function);
# [21:27] <Jakouf> oh.. thanks a lot
# [21:27] <Ms2ger> Or element.onclick = function
# [21:27] <Jakouf> i give it a try
# [21:27] <martndemus> element = reference to the audio element
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# [21:28] <Jakouf> thanks a lot
# [21:28] <martndemus> np :)
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# [21:46] <martndemus> holyshit divya feed reader overload
# [21:46] <divya> sorry martndemus >_>
# [21:46] <divya> redesigned
# [21:46] <martndemus> =D
# [21:46] <divya> mark all as read!
# [21:47] <martndemus> tis okay :)
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# [21:53] * martndemus thinks the text in the blockquotes of divya's new design is a bit oversized
# [21:53] <divya> agreed :||
# [21:53] * divya attempts fix
# [22:00] <divya> martndemus: better now?
# [22:02] <martndemus> much
# [22:03] <divya> :)
# [22:03] <martndemus> not always fond of complete italic paragraphs, but that's taste i guess
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# [22:09] <divya> me neither but it seems to offset the difference without standing out too much i think
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# [22:10] <martndemus> doesnt the left border already set it out from the rest?
# [22:12] <divya> martndemus: i dont think so :(
# [22:12] <divya> it reads like a wall of text despite that
# [22:13] <martndemus> also bug:
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# [22:13] <martndemus> try getting to the newest article
# [22:13] <martndemus> with the left right buttons
# [22:13] <martndemus> hmm weird
# [22:13] <martndemus> works now
# [22:13] <martndemus> ignore that =D
# [22:14] <divya> it wont work when its loading :/
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# [22:15] <martndemus> oh
# [22:15] <martndemus> on the first article
# [22:16] <divya> ya?
# [22:16] <martndemus> is it on purpose that you can click the left previous button from the right side? =D
# [22:17] <divya> hahaha >_> i made it 100% wide tho!
# [22:17] <divya> maybe its not relevant
# [22:17] <divya> could make it only 50%
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# [22:26] <jarek> is there a way to detect when attribute was changed on Chrome?
# [22:27] <jarek> I mean attribute on HTML element
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# [22:30] <martndemus> context?
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# [22:32] <divya> jarek: mutation events
# [22:32] <divya> ?g DOM mutation events
# [22:32] <bot-t> divya, Document Object Model Events - http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Events/events.html
# [22:32] <divya> err
# [22:32] <divya> ?g MDN dom mutation events
# [22:32] <bot-t> divya, Mutation DOM events - Events - MDN - https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XUL/Events
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# [22:33] <jarek> exactly, DOMAttrModified is the only mutation event not supported by Chrome
# [22:34] <martndemus> ouchj
# [22:34] <Ms2ger> Note that mutation events are deprecated
# [22:35] <jarek> Ms2ger: but there are no alternatives
# [22:35] <divya> o heheheh
# [22:35] <jarek> at least not yet
# [22:35] <divya> yeah there are no alternatives yet.
# [22:35] <martndemus> you could cache the attr in a variable and check periodicaly? =D
# [22:35] <jarek> martndemus: I will have to watch hundreds of nodes
# [22:35] <Ms2ger> The alternatives are coming soon, though
# [22:36] <divya> polyfills typically need DOM mutation events to work :/
# [22:36] <martndemus> i agree it's a brute force method though
# [22:36] <divya> jarek: if you have 100s of nodes you probably shouldnt be using DOM mutation events
# [22:36] <divya> is this for a polyfill?
# [22:36] <jarek> divya: but Firebug is doing this and it works fine
# [22:36] <Ms2ger> Firebug has access to better alternatives
# [22:37] <divya> o okay.
# [22:37] <jarek> Ms2ger: nope, it's using mutation events via JS
# [22:37] <martndemus> cant you set breakpoints on dom elements in chrome?
# [22:37] <Ms2ger> Point me at the code
# [22:37] <jarek> Ms2ger: WebKit inspector is using JSON API to watch the backend for changes
# [22:38] <Ms2ger> Firebug != webkit inspector
# [22:38] <jarek> Ms2ger: yeah
# [22:38] <jarek> but it's interesting how WebKit inspector is implemented
# [22:39] <jarek> I initially thought it was done entirely in JS/HTML/CSS
# [22:39] <jarek> but in fact it relies on the data from backend
# [22:40] <jarek> e.g. it get notifications when element's attribute is updated
# [22:40] <jarek> I want this data too...
# [22:40] <jarek> s/it get/it gets
# [22:40] <Ms2ger> You're not as trustworthy as the inspector, though
# [22:41] <jarek> Ms2ger: but this information can't be abused
# [22:41] <jarek> so far I have found this: http://code.google.com/chrome/devtools/docs/protocol/0.1/index.html
# [22:41] <Ms2ger> Mutation events are one of the most important sources of exploitable security bugs in browsers
# [22:42] <jarek> Ms2ger: how something like addEventListener('DOMAttrModified', function() {}); could be exploited?
# [22:43] <jarek> I remember reading somewhere that it could be actually used to increase the security, e.g. make sure that there is no other script messing with the site content
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# [22:44] <divya> do they expose this data to extensions?
# [22:45] <jarek> divya: in order to have access to the debugger data I have to start Chrome with special flag and then send request via WebSockets, it's awkward
# [22:45] <divya> oh i see.
# [22:46] <Ms2ger> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=580445 for example
# [22:46] <jarek> no, wait... there is also extension API
# [22:47] <martndemus> jarak, im curious, for what do you need to detect that an attribute changes? because normally, your own scripts would be the only ones to change the attrs, you could modify it that it sends a signal to some function that it changed the attr?
# [22:47] <jarek> but it's Chrome-only (I need to watch for all mutation events on WebKit)
# [22:47] <jarek> martndemus: I'm implementing element inspector like Firebug
# [22:48] <jarek> martndemus: actually, I have already ripped off all the necessary code from WebKit inspector :P
# [22:48] <martndemus> cross browser?
# [22:48] <jarek> martndemus: it must work on vanilla WebKit builds
# [22:48] <martndemus> oh
# [22:49] <jarek> it looks like the only way is to modify the C++ code
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# [22:49] <martndemus> so not its a bookmarklet that works on all browsers? :(
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# [22:49] <jarek> martndemus: there are tons of such bookmarklets, I'm working on something better
# [22:50] <martndemus> I would love one -good- set of developper tools for all the browsers
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# [22:51] <jarek> martndemus: in order to implement good developer tools you have to talk with the browser backend
# [22:51] <martndemus> i know :(
# [22:51] <jarek> martndemus: take a look at Firebug Lite - it works on all major browsers, but for the price of limited functionality
# [22:52] <martndemus> firebug lite isn't that good :(
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# [22:53] <jarek> Firebug is dead end anyway
# [22:53] <jarek> latest versions of Firefox are shipping with completely new developer tools
# [22:53] <martndemus> that does not mean firebug will be end of life soon
# [22:54] <OzDave_imac> At some point you let certain browsers off the list of usage. so there is still the software requirement, which means an installation of said browsers
# [22:54] <jarek> martndemus: without financial support from Mozilla it might be
# [22:55] <martndemus> the same goes for Mozilla itself i heard ;)
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# [22:56] <jarek> martndemus: I wouldn't worry about Mozilla, Opera has several times smaller market share and they are still innovating
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# [22:56] <martndemus> well for such a relative small project as firebug
# [22:57] <martndemus> i dont see why it should die when they lose backing of mozilla?
# [22:58] <martndemus> people will choose firebug over the new native tools and a good few will propably chip in.
# [22:58] <Ms2ger> Note that Mozilla employs at least one person to work on Firebug full time
# [22:59] <tw2113> i'm excited for the new moz dev tools
# [23:00] <martndemus> Im excited for what it can become
# [23:00] <martndemus> it's crap in the state its now ;)
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# [23:02] <tw2113> i won't argue that much atm
# [23:02] <martndemus> cool :)
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# [23:05] <jarek> I wonder when we will see a real JavaScript IDE
# [23:05] <martndemus> Why?
# [23:05] <divya> jarek: are you not creating one? :P
# [23:05] <divya> someone said they use eclipse.
# [23:06] <divya> i forget who
# [23:06] <jarek> divya: maybe if I finish working on CSS IDE :P
# [23:06] <divya> jarek: do you blog?
# [23:06] <jarek> We need Eclips for JavaScript
# [23:06] <divya> i am curious what all you encountered.
# [23:06] <martndemus> although while vim is still #1 text editor, i dont see such things happening =D
# [23:06] <divya> coz i know its a nightmare
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# [23:07] <jarek> divya: well, I started working on it in summer this year and I have been rewritting the entire code three times already
# [23:07] <jarek> divya: but that's because I'm not experienced enough
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# [23:08] <martndemus> welcome to the world of trial and error
# [23:08] <jarek> e.g. I started implementing all widgets using XHTML with custom XML namespaces, then I was styling them with namespaced CSS
# [23:08] <divya> haha I bet you have learnt a lot by doing so jarek
# [23:08] <OzDave_imac> I like emacs
# [23:08] <divya> aha
# [23:08] <divya> then?
# [23:08] <jarek> this was *bad* idea...
# [23:08] <divya> :))
# [23:08] <jarek> then I dumped this mess and started from scratch...
# [23:08] <OzDave_imac> http://www.bonkersworld.net/images/2011.11.15_life_of_a_swe.png
# [23:09] <divya> jarek: maybe a short note "why" you had to dump it would make an interesting reading :)
# [23:09] <martndemus> OzDave_imac++
# [23:09] <OzDave_imac> :)
# [23:09] <divya> even a gist or g+ post would do :P
# [23:09] <jarek> divya: but writting blog posts is not fun
# [23:10] <jarek> definitely not as fun as coding
# [23:10] <divya> jarek: why dont you just dump your thoughts here and I will make it one
# [23:10] <divya> with your permission ofc
# [23:10] <martndemus> divya except for paul his list of blogs for googles reader, is there somewhere else a resource/list of people that blog webdevelopment?
# [23:10] <jarek> divya: are you working on similar projects?
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# [23:10] <jarek> divya: I mean HTML5-based IDE for CSS
# [23:10] <divya> jarek: no but I am interested in knowing what you learned :)
# [23:10] <divya> martndemus: chrir coyier has one
# [23:11] <divya> ?g css-tricks blogs I read
# [23:11] <bot-t> divya, Personal Blogs of Web People That I Like To Read | CSS-Tricks - http://css-tricks.com/9256-blogs-i-read/
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# [23:11] <divya> jarek: I think it will be interesting to know whats missing in major browsers
# [23:11] <divya> what apis are confusing
# [23:11] <divya> or not
# [23:11] <divya> or are not there.
# [23:11] <divya> so yeah I am just looking for anything you can offer :)
# [23:11] <divya> jarek: ^
# [23:11] <martndemus> but not something of a page that has like keeps up al list all the interesting blogs?
# [23:12] <martndemus> (pardon my bad grammer there)
# [23:12] <divya> martndemus: haha no problemo. i am not sure if there is one.
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# [23:12] <martndemus> sounds like a great project to make one =D
# [23:13] * divya prods martndemus to do so
# [23:13] <martndemus> i might
# [23:13] <OzDave_imac> do you mean like www.caniuse.com ?
# [23:13] <martndemus> no
# [23:13] <martndemus> like
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# [23:13] <martndemus> a HUGE MOTHEREFFING LIST with new blog articles that webdeveloppers produce
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# [23:14] <OzDave_imac> Id rather just have a database of whats usable then sift through blogs
# [23:14] <martndemus> stuff has to be found first before it can end up there
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# [23:16] * martndemus off to research how to scrape rrses
# [23:19] <martndemus> answer: google feed api
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# [23:26] <martndemus> =D
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# [23:26] <OzDave_imac> old lady in europe hacking the wirez againz
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# [23:27] <martndemus> =D
# [23:27] <jarek> divya: sorry, I got disconnected
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# [23:28] <martndemus> jarek: divya got too =D
# [23:28] <divya> jarek: np! was just hoping for feedback from someone like you who has played deeply with these things.
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# [23:28] <divya> so it would be neat to know why you did what you did.
# [23:28] <jarek> divya: speaking of the missing or buggy browser APIs...
# [23:28] <martndemus> people, i need a working name for a site that keeps a list of feeds
# [23:28] <jarek> divya: the problem number one that I can see is slow DOM
# [23:29] <OzDave_imac> seymour - feed me seymour
# [23:29] <jarek> divya: especially on elements with contenteditable attribute set to true
# [23:29] <divya> yeah :|
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# [23:29] <divya> o shit
# [23:29] <jarek> divya: we have to use ugly hacks in order to implement responsive text editors in HTML
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# [23:29] <divya> that would have several repaints
# [23:29] <divya> etc too right?
# [23:29] <divya> i mean its not just DOM
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# [23:29] <divya> i suppose DOM outweighs everything else.
# [23:30] <jarek> divya: I'm not sure it this is caused by repaints
# [23:30] <divya> yaya i bet its not.
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# [23:30] <jarek> divya: perhaps editable nodes require more event listeners on the backend?
# [23:30] <divya> jarek: yeah I am sure.
# [23:30] <martndemus> Rich Web Dev Summary? =D
# [23:31] <divya> jarek: why was using XHTML with namespaced css a disaster?
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# [23:31] <divya> i would be very curious to know because ahem, if you hadnt noticed I am not particularly in love with XML and XHTML
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# [23:31] <jarek> divya: because I wanted to create my own elements
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# [23:31] <divya> ah k
# [23:31] <jarek> divya: it makes no sense to use divs and spans for widgets
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# [23:31] <OzDave_imac> martndemus: akin to the statement the wiring under the board, browser wire
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# [23:31] <jarek> divya: I wanted to create something that would look and feel like XUL
# [23:31] <divya> yeah you gve ur feedback about the Component Model Spec jarek?
# [23:32] <divya> right.
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# [23:32] <martndemus> OzDave_imac: i think i got it: Feed The Web Dev
# [23:32] <jarek> divya: I don't remember reading this spe
# [23:32] <divya> oh? jarek you must!
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# [23:32] <divya> ?g dimitry glaznov component model spec
# [23:32] <bot-t> divya, No results found for 'dimitry glaznov component model spec'.
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# [23:32] <jarek> divya: anyway, I learned that using XHTML with XML is not appropriate as of 2011
# [23:33] <divya> err pardon spellings
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# [23:33] <jarek> divya: because major new APIs such as element.dataset or element.classList are HTML-only
# [23:33] <OzDave_imac> that leads me to think about browser information as food so browser food or web food
# [23:33] <divya> jarek: aha
# [23:33] <divya> that is interesting jarek
# [23:33] <Pomax> Does anyone in here ever have to work with vertical CJK text on pages? Would they be willing to have a look at http://jsfiddle.net/DyBBc/9/ and see whether it's over engineered, or a good solution?
# [23:34] <jarek> divya: another huge problem is the lack of standard module loader
# [23:34] <martndemus> OzDave_imac: it is indeed a pun on Feed
# [23:34] <jarek> but afaik this is being worked on
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# [23:34] <OzDave_imac> aye
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# [23:35] <divya> jarek: anything other than new apis being html only turned you off xhtml/xml
# [23:36] <Ms2ger> What
# [23:36] <Ms2ger> There are no new non-XML HTML-only APIs
# [23:36] <Ms2ger> If they don't work in XHTML, that's a browser bug
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# [23:37] <jarek> divya: dynamic styling of XML elements is tricky
# [23:37] <jarek> divya: you can't just set element.style as in HTML, instead I had to deal with CSSOM
# [23:37] <Ms2ger> Oh really?
# [23:38] <divya> o really
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# [23:38] <jarek> I mean you can set element.style, but it won't apply any styles
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# [23:38] <Ms2ger> Test case?
# [23:38] <jarek> Ms2ger: note that I'm talking about element from custom XML namespace, not elements from XHTML namespace
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# [23:39] <Ms2ger> Duh?
# [23:39] <jarek> Ms2ger: give me a second ;)
# [23:40] <Ms2ger> .style only means something on HTML elements
# [23:40] <Ms2ger> Using custom XML namespaces was never a good idea
# [23:40] <jarek> Ms2ger: then what's the point of XHTML?
# [23:41] <Ms2ger> An excellent question, but I'm afraid I was born a decade too late to know that :)
# [23:41] <divya> hahahahh
# [23:41] <Ms2ger> Allowing the HTML working group to ignore the HTML legacy, I guess
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# [23:42] <divya> jarek: you can just list your points in a list in a gist
# [23:42] <divya> and it would be immensely useful :P
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# [23:43] <martndemus> cool rails app created
# [23:43] <divya> because I dont plan to work with custom XML namespaces
# [23:43] <martndemus> now to build this web app!
# [23:43] <divya> so at least it would be good to know what pitfalls await those who do
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# [23:44] <divya> jarek: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webcomponents/raw-file/tip/explainer/index.html
# [23:44] <divya> I have read it once and it seemed odd to me, but I should probably see the usecases before I express my opinions or even consider them valid.
# [23:45] <jarek> divya: is this the spec that introduces scoped styles?
# [23:45] <Ms2ger> No
# [23:45] <divya> jarek: ^
# [23:45] <divya> very different.
# [23:45] <divya> it might be what you are looking for really
# [23:50] <jarek> so Shadow DOM is going to be an alternative to XML namespaces?
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# [23:52] <jarek> does this thing already ship with Chrome Canary? The spec is written by Google guys
# [23:52] <divya> jarek: oh no no its not "alternative"
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# [23:53] <divya> it might, I dont know
# [23:53] <Ms2ger> Mozilla and Google are working on it, not sure if it landed anywhere yet
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# [23:56] <jarek> "Instead, decorators register event listeners with an event controller. To register an event listener with an event controller, the template includes a <script> element. The script is run once when the decorator element is parsed or inserted into the document."
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# [23:57] <jarek> what if I would like to have 10 elements that behave exactly the same? They would all have to contain the same script element?
# [23:58] <divya> jarek: you should pop into #whatwg on monday morning and ping dglazkov
# [23:59] <jarek> divya: nah, I don't want to bother him with my silly questions :P
# [23:59] <jarek> divya: I shouldn't bother you as well
# Session Close: Mon Dec 12 00:00:00 2011

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