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  1. # Session Start: Wed Dec 14 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
  3. # [00:00] <Velmont> WebSQL, anyone used it? -- I want to add 5000 items (from JSON) to sql, and I want it to be fast.
  4. # [00:01] <Velmont> How to do that, -- the normal thing for (item) tx.query('INSERT INTO aoeu (?, ?)', [item[a], item[b]]) will probably be very slow.
  5. # [00:02] <Velmont> Hmm, yes, I should really test it, but I was waiting for the data set and staring down the code right now. :P
  6. # [00:02] <Velmont> I thought maybe building a big SQL-string would be faster, and then do one INSERT per e.g. 500 objects.
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  11. # [00:07] <simensen> I'm running into a weird problem with IE9 and getting background-image to be added to an <a> tag. For the life of me I cannot figure out what the problem is. It works in Chrome, Firefox, Safari and IE8. I hate to ask here, but Google is of no help to me this afternoon. Is this a known issue?
  12. # [00:08] <chuck_tes> I need some help. I was trying to implement this script into my website but I've been at it for hours and cannot get it to work. I basically want a slideshow which blows up pictures on the screen. It would be nice if the background goes dim and the frame adjusts tot he picture size. This is an example of what I am talking about: http://www.nickstakenburg.com/projects/lightview/
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  14. # [00:08] <chuck_tes> You can see in demonstrations > gallery
  15. # [00:09] <chuck_tes> There has to e an easier way to implement this.
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  46. # [00:57] <simensen> I think I might have this narrowed down to having background-image defined in more than one rule that matches. Mainly, I have a rule in a media query for upsizing the image for wider browsers.
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  170. # [04:25] <tw2113> divya jacine|afk get back to work and stop playing bejeweled
  171. # [04:25] <divya> i stopped a while ago:)
  172. # [04:26] <jacine|afk> LOL. I can't stop.
  173. # [04:28] <tw2113> i am listening to the most awesomest soundtrack ever
  174. # [04:29] <tw2113> The Land Before TIme
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  212. # [05:48] <paul_irish> bot-t: tell martndemus modernizr only checks for the validation. you can't test for a UI. but i got confirmation from both gecko & webkit that validation for dates will land at the same time as UI. they know feature detection is important.
  213. # [05:48] <bot-t> paul_irish, Okay.
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  279. # [07:39] <grantg> paul_irish: Chrome Canary got Skia on Mac OS X and now it no longer noms up ludicrous amounts of CPU for simple canvas stuff
  280. # [07:40] <grantg> This test went from 100% CPU usage to 17%: http://i.imgur.com/4B5Cx.png
  281. # [07:41] <grantg> Yeah, that's a graphics test ROM running in the GBC emulator, and the *entire* CPU load was 17%... For an emulation at 1 MIPS
  282. # [07:41] <grantg> Chrome used to take the entire core to context.putImageData()...
  283. # [07:42] <grantg> Change snail pace speed to LUDICROUS SPEED
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  295. # [08:08] <paul_irish> http://www.w3.org/html/planet/
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  297. # [08:09] <paul_irish> grantg: wow thats good
  298. # [08:09] <paul_irish> grantg: the skia change happened a while ago. you testing stable/
  299. # [08:09] <paul_irish> great the speed and CPU % is much bettterrrr :D
  300. # [08:10] <grantg> paul_irish: It's chrome canary for mac os x
  301. # [08:10] <paul_irish> kk
  302. # [08:10] <paul_irish> good!
  303. # [08:10] <grantg> Though, I haven't seen this yet speed boost on windows/linux
  304. # [08:11] <paul_irish> they've been on skia to start with
  305. # [08:11] <grantg> I think they finally optimized some silly stuff
  306. # [08:11] <paul_irish> thats good.
  307. # [08:11] <grantg> on windows it's slow though
  308. # [08:11] <paul_irish> senorblanco has been working on a bunch of that stuff lately
  309. # [08:11] <paul_irish> oh and did you see...
  310. # [08:11] <grantg> probably bad gfx routines on windows still
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  312. # [08:11] <grantg> Skia probably just got an optimization landed on os x most likely
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  314. # [08:12] <paul_irish> http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/102693 css filters wassssup
  315. # [08:12] <grantg> now the cpu load doesn't go up exponentially as the canvas is scalled
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  317. # [08:13] <grantg> nice
  318. # [08:13] <grantg> *scaled
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  355. # [09:16] <duf> simenbrekken: Mornin'! How's your release coming along?
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  360. # [09:20] <simenbrekken> duf: Sort of ;)
  361. # [09:21] <simenbrekken> duf: I'm in IE7,8,9 hell
  362. # [09:21] <simenbrekken> and I have serious doubts how anyone can use Windows with the horrible font rendering it has
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  366. # [09:24] <duf> simenbrekken: yeah, i'm having similars thoughts now and then :)
  367. # [09:24] <duf> good luck in IE hell
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  430. # [11:27] <moo-_-> How does right click + Copy menu item works in FF and Chrome in Google Docs?
  431. # [11:27] <moo-_-> people are claiming that Copy action is not possible with Javascript: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8499894/copy-a-html-snippet-of-the-page-to-a-clipboard/8502300#8502300
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  462. # [12:25] <moo-_-> http://www.flickr.com/photos/girliemac/sets/72157628409467125/with/6508023829/
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  475. # [12:49] <Jahan> If I want to stroke in a vertical line linewidth 10 in the center of a canvas 100 in width what do i set x as?
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  477. # [12:56] <Ms2ger> 50?
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  480. # [12:57] <Jahan> so the line will be drawn from its mid point?
  481. # [12:57] <Ms2ger> I'm pretty sure, yes
  482. # [13:00] <Jahan> thanks
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  497. # [13:42] <kevindougans> completely off topic but anyone here with an iPad recommend the best pdf/book/magazine reader?
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  499. # [13:43] <Jahan> kindle?
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  501. # [13:44] <Jahan> I used the kindle for pc before getting the real thing and I found it good.
  502. # [13:45] <Jahan> And then there is always calibre to convert to kindle friendly formats
  503. # [13:47] <kevindougans> sweet cheers, i'll give it a bash
  504. # [13:47] <Trisox> i use the pdf reader of the ipad
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  508. # [13:59] <kevindougans> yeh but i have 3 pdfs i want to put on it
  509. # [13:59] <kevindougans> for reading at my leisure later
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  512. # [14:02] <kevindougans> stanza is poor, keeps crashing and can't handle my pdfs (150mb+)
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  527. # [14:22] <kevindougans> ahh ok i've figured out how to sync books now via iTunes, stress over :)
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  597. # [15:57] <ryan_tait> mornin web legends
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  627. # [16:36] <djazz> When sending binary data over a WebSocket connection to a client, e.data is a blob, why not ArrayBuffer?
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  633. # [16:39] <andrewjbaker> void send(ArrayBuffer data);
  634. # [16:39] <andrewjbaker> http://dev.w3.org/html5/websockets/
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  638. # [16:41] <djazz> andrewjbaker: this is server -> client, not client -> server
  639. # [16:41] <djazz> i know how to send binary, its arraybuffers
  640. # [16:43] <djazz> nvm, found it in the spec: ws.binaryType = 'arraybuffer'
  641. # [16:43] <andrewjbaker> What are you using server-side?
  642. # [16:43] <djazz> node.js and node-websocket
  643. # [16:43] <djazz> thx andrewjbaker
  644. # [16:43] <andrewjbaker> Excellent.
  645. # [16:45] <djazz> good, no more blob: spam in console
  646. # [16:45] <djazz> ^^
  647. # [16:45] <djazz> http://djazz.mine.nu:8011/
  648. # [16:46] <djazz> . /\ my project
  649. # [16:50] <andrewjbaker> LOL.
  650. # [16:51] <simenbrekken> I'm having serious problems with multiple selectors on IE7 in my chess game, I'm using stuff like .piece.white.king but IE7 only picks up the first class. Any work arounds I should try?
  651. # [16:51] <andrewjbaker> djazz, this is for a game engine?
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  653. # [16:52] <djazz> andrewjbaker: level editor in html5 for an existing win/mac game
  654. # [16:52] <andrewjbaker> Fantastico.
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  656. # [16:52] <andrewjbaker> djazz, I'm sure the guys over on the #bbg channel would be interested to track your progress w/ this dude. Sounds like an exciting project.
  657. # [16:53] <djazz> the file formats have been figured out, so why not?
  658. # [16:53] <andrewjbaker> :-D
  659. # [16:54] <andrewjbaker> djazz, come join us then dude, when you've a spare 5 mins. ;-)
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  664. # [16:55] <djazz> bbg?
  665. # [16:56] <andrewjbaker> Browser-based games channel on Freenode.
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  667. # [16:56] <djazz> :D
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  775. # [18:55] <jarek> Hi
  776. # [18:56] <jarek> how do you call an object that might be initialized only once and then it's passed between modules by reference?
  777. # [18:56] <jarek> could this fall under the definition of singleton?
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  782. # [19:02] <jarek> is there a way to prevent prototype from being used more than once?
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  784. # [19:04] <moo-_-> jarek: module itself is a singleton?
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  786. # [19:04] <moo-_-> jarek: don't think like Java :)
  787. # [19:05] <jarek> moo-_-: I never programmed in Java
  788. # [19:05] <moo-_-> good for you :)
  789. # [19:05] <jarek> moo-_-: I just had this idea that by using this pattern I could completely eliminate global variables
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  791. # [19:06] <jarek> e.g. instead of having window.settings object for sharing settings between all modules I could create one instance of settings after app launch and then load it from other modules with require()
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  793. # [19:07] <jarek> I mean there is no require() on client-side by default, but I guess you know what I mean
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  798. # [19:09] <klex> hello guys, i have one problem... i have a table where each TD is canvas (just has to be like this). i generate table with javascript and i dont put canvas inside. when i want to put it, i first get width and height of td and create canvas inside that td with the same size. why does my TD size increase? (it goes from like 280 to 390)
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  801. # [19:10] <jarek> klex: are you sure you have no padding set on TDs?
  802. # [19:11] <jarek> klex: tables should be used for laying out tabular data
  803. # [19:12] <moo-_-> jarek: do you know require.js?
  804. # [19:12] <jarek> moo-_-: yeah, it has nothing to do with require() from Node.js
  805. # [19:13] <moo-_-> jarek: but in a sense when you require() module once it's constructed once and it's a singleton
  806. # [19:13] <moo-_-> no prototype needed
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  810. # [19:20] <jarek> moo-_-: in Node.js when you require the same module two times then you will get two separate instances
  811. # [19:20] <jarek> moo-_-: in the pattern that I'm thinking about the second require() should return reference to the object returned by first require()
  812. # [19:21] <jarek> so that there should be only one instance of the object in the whole app
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  814. # [19:21] <jarek> alternatively, the second require could return error
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  817. # [19:23] <jarek> is this how require.js works?
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  822. # [19:28] <klex> jarek: i have no paddings on TDs
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  824. # [19:30] <Conexion> If I have a canvas element, and I've stretched it using 3D transform, is there a way I can increase the draw resolution?
  825. # [19:31] <tw2113> i don't know about <canvas> much, but it's always a bit intriguing the ways people are trying to use it
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  829. # [19:33] <Conexion> Indeed. I'm personally using it as a way to detect touch detection of irregular shapes on a map, and then manipulating the shape once it is touched
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  833. # [19:35] <Conexion> Kind of an advanced <map> function
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  838. # [19:37] <martndemus> This is a cool header to prank your fellow web dev =D --> <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=5">
  839. # [19:37] <bot-t> (13 hours 40 mins ago) <paul_irish> tell martndemus modernizr only checks for the validation. you can't test for a UI. but i got confirmation from both gecko & webkit that validation for dates will land at the same time as UI. they know feature detection is important.
  840. # [19:38] <martndemus> thanks paul_irish!
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  842. # [19:39] <Conexion> Hmm, apparently I'm looking for ctx.scale(2,2) - But now I have to half all my coordinates :p
  843. # [19:39] <Conexion> Lovely :p
  844. # [19:40] <tw2113> http://httpcats.herokuapp.com/
  845. # [19:41] <martndemus> MOST USEFULL APP EVER
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  847. # [19:42] <klex> anyone can help?
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  849. # [19:43] <martndemus> we might if you tell us your problem
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  851. # [19:43] <klex> i have a table where each TD is canvas (just has to be like this). i generate table with javascript and i dont put canvas inside. when i want to put it, i first get width and height of td and create canvas inside that td with the same size. why does my TD size increase? (it goes from like 280 to 390)
  852. # [19:43] <Conexion> Oh lovely :p
  853. # [19:44] <Conexion> Padding/margins?
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  855. # [19:44] <klex> there are no paddings and margins i believe
  856. # [19:44] <Conexion> White-space in the code?
  857. # [19:44] <Conexion> [spaces, tabs, new lines, etc]
  858. # [19:44] <jarek> klex: there must be something wrong with your CSS, could you show us the site?
  859. # [19:45] <klex> fri.kicks-ass.net/vegetko/index.html
  860. # [19:46] <klex> u generate a table if you put like 2 in the first thing, click the button and put like ('s',1,1) in the second thing, click 'dodaj' and click on start image
  861. # [19:47] <klex> ohh and the first row doesnt have canvas (the one with zeros)
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  866. # [19:50] <klex> u got the table?
  867. # [19:50] <jarek> klex: "table tr td" has "width: 5%"
  868. # [19:50] <klex> yes, that cuz i want all cells to have the same width
  869. # [19:50] <klex> and i read somewhere that should do it (some trick or something)
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  879. # [19:56] <jarek> sorry, I got disconnected
  880. # [19:56] <klex> :)
  881. # [19:56] <jarek> klex: try something like this:
  882. # [19:56] <jarek> tdElement.style.setProperty('width', canvasWidth);
  883. # [19:57] <moo-_-> jarek: AFAIK only one module instance is created per import if the module path is the same in require.js
  884. # [19:57] <moo-_-> otherwise module memory bloat would be terrible
  885. # [19:57] <klex> ok ill try
  886. # [19:57] <moo-_-> and JIT compiler would cry
  887. # [19:57] <jarek> klex: if you already inert the canvas with JS, I guess it shouldn't be a problem to set the td width w
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  893. # [20:02] <jarek> moo-_-: ahh, you are right: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.2/api/modules.html#caching
  894. # [20:02] <jarek> moo-_-: strange I haven't noticed this before
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  896. # [20:03] <klex> jarek: td now has attribute width (same value as canvas) but the size is still the same (cant upload to ftp now, dont have access)
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  1079. # [23:48] <dilvie> I have blocks of text that have two views. One is a tiny view with just title and a sentence.. then when you click on it, it expands up and shows a detailed view. I need a good name for this behavior. What should I call it?
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  1081. # [23:49] <martndemus> its magic!
  1082. # [23:49] <Jon47> i like magic, go with that
  1083. # [23:49] <martndemus> that always sells
  1084. # [23:50] <dilvie> we have a winner
  1085. # [23:50] <dilvie> magic
  1086. # [23:51] <Jon47> just magic that text view baby!
  1087. # [23:51] <Jon47> sprinkle a little magic dust on it
  1088. # [23:51] <dilvie> magicView = magic(textView);
  1089. # [23:51] <martndemus> people that have no clue wtf your doing, just sell them magic
  1090. # [23:51] <dilvie> hmm.. now that I write out the usage case, that looks pretty dope!
  1091. # [23:51] <martndemus> dont bore them with complicated names :P
  1092. # [23:52] <dilvie> magicView.trigger('sprinkle'); // poof! detail view!
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  1095. # [23:52] <martndemus> oh man
  1096. # [23:53] <dilvie> best.api.ever.
  1097. # [23:53] <martndemus> i so need to write FairyDust.js
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  1099. # [23:53] <dilvie> oh hell yes.
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  1102. # [23:53] <martndemus> add some unicorns
  1103. # [23:53] <martndemus> and ill be riiiiiicccchh
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  1106. # [23:54] <dilvie> I suck at naming things. );
  1107. # [23:55] <martndemus> thethingthatexpands
  1108. # [23:55] <martndemus> thethingthatpreviews
  1109. # [23:55] <martndemus> oh wait
  1110. # [23:55] <martndemus> camelcasing
  1111. # [23:55] <martndemus> theThingThatExpands
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