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  1. # Session Start: Thu Dec 15 00:00:00 2011
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  4. # [00:00] <beardbar> What is gained by using unordered lists for our menus and navigation? Am I comitting a sin if I simply do something like this http://scrp.at/aQJ
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  7. # [00:02] <martndemus> nope, thats totally fine
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  12. # [00:04] <beardbar> cool
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  14. # [00:06] <Folklore> who created html5's logo
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  21. # [00:18] <csmrfx> What is the technical name for descendant elements of an element?
  22. # [00:19] <csmrfx> descendants? children?
  23. # [00:19] <tw2113> yes on children
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  27. # [00:23] <csmrfx> thx
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  45. # [00:50] <pamelafoxx> heyaz. trying to work through some issues with touch events in android webview.
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  50. # [00:52] <Folklore> think html5 team let programmers design their logo, instead of a designer
  51. # [00:52] <Folklore> think it could of been done a lot better, and make it fit in with the billion+ sites easier, the shield, the colors...not sure how it passed
  52. # [00:52] <Folklore> so many talented designers out there
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  56. # [00:55] <Velmont> Folklore: I think it's nice.
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  165. # [04:03] <shadowcry> hi
  166. # [04:03] <shadowcry> Any advice on collision detection?
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  483. # [13:22] <SpiderFred> hi I guess I am lilbit slow but when I google making games in html5 those are all in javascript, wasn't possible before html5 to do it in javascript?
  484. # [13:23] <xec> hehe, yes. yes it was
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  489. # [13:25] <SpiderFred> xec, so whats the deal than?
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  492. # [13:27] <Pomax> no deal, why would JS being the language of choice in "html5" exclude JS being the language of choice before html5?
  493. # [13:28] <Jon47> SpiderFred the confusion might be that "html5" is often used as an umbrella term that includes html5, css3, and javascript, sort of like what DHTML used to mean
  494. # [13:28] <xec> well, html5 is poorly defined. some people see it as the markup, and markup alone, and others include the web apps standards, which are all mostly just extensions to javascript
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  497. # [13:29] <Jon47> but html5 also brings a lot of good technologies that are particularly useful for web games, like app cache, offline storage, canvas, etc..
  498. # [13:29] <xec> what Jon47 said.
  499. # [13:29] <xec> but you can't really use any of this without javascript
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  501. # [13:30] <jetienne> webgl, sound api, fullscreen, mouse lock too
  502. # [13:30] <Pomax> unless you resort to Flash or Silverlight or some other plugin that manages its own resources
  503. # [13:30] <Pomax> which is not "the html5 way"
  504. # [13:30] <xec> Pomax: yea but then you dont talk about "html5"
  505. # [13:30] <Jon47> theoretically another scripting language could access the html5 apis but practically it doesn't seem likely that will happen anytime soon
  506. # [13:30] <Pomax> another language does not benefit anyone.
  507. # [13:31] <jetienne> Jon47: dart is doing it
  508. # [13:31] <Jon47> jetienne heh, we'll see ;)
  509. # [13:31] <SpiderFred> I get it now thx( I hope so )
  510. # [13:31] <xec> dart is just compiled into javascript, isnt it?
  511. # [13:31] <Pomax> if all goes well, we'll never see dart in a browser.
  512. # [13:31] <xec> i havent really taken a close look
  513. # [13:31] <Jon47> dart is still in its infancy
  514. # [13:31] <Jon47> who knows
  515. # [13:35] <SpiderFred> one more question, how is browser able to play video files? its just like buitin player or some other html5 magic?
  516. # [13:36] <jetienne> SpiderFred: both :) there is a builtin player and this is html5 magic :)
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  656. # [15:33] <Testerski> Hi there
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  692. # [16:01] <Testerski> I'm embedding an svg image into my html5 page, wrapped into a div element
  693. # [16:01] <Testerski> then I just can't make the div draggable
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  695. # [16:02] <Testerski> where is the problem, can you point me ?
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  699. # [16:11] <Pomax> got a jsfiddle.net example?
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  704. # [16:13] <Pomax> Testerski, http://jsfiddle.net/2fZpD/
  705. # [16:14] <Pomax> if you're using draggable from jquery-ui, it should work fine
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  771. # [17:20] <jarek> Hello
  772. # [17:21] <jarek> is it possible to enable "universalAccessFromFileURLsAllowed" WebKit option by passing certain argument to Chrome?
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  774. # [17:22] <jarek> or is there any other way to allow local scripts to access iframes? (but not allow iframes to access the parent document)
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  783. # [17:30] <rodfersou> jarek: what do you mean by access?
  784. # [17:30] <rodfersou> jarek: I just know a way to make a callback from javascript... this way you can make the code from the iframe talk with the main page..
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  787. # [17:32] <jarek> robhawkes: but the iframe content is from another origin
  788. # [17:32] <jarek> robhawkes: I don't have control over it, so I can't talk without messing with WebKit or Chrome
  789. # [17:33] <jarek> sorry, I meant rodfersou^
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  791. # [17:33] <jarek> by access I mean I need to read the window.document object of the page inside iframe
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  799. # [17:48] <uf0_work> php gurus around? got a quick one
  800. # [17:49] <ryan_tait> what's up man
  801. # [17:49] <uf0_work> sup ryan
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  803. # [17:50] <uf0_work> i'm basically trying to get this if statement working correct
  804. # [17:50] <ryan_tait> not much, php'ing right now
  805. # [17:50] <uf0_work> http://pastebin.com/q187cp9n
  806. # [17:50] <uf0_work> it works fine
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  808. # [17:50] <uf0_work> but what doesn't work is that it keep spitting out the small and dash
  809. # [17:50] <uf0_work> regardless of a null value
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  811. # [17:50] <uf0_work> that's pretty much it
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  814. # [17:51] <uf0_work> i want it to spit out the <small> tag with info inside if it returns a value
  815. # [17:51] <uf0_work> but not echo it out if null
  816. # [17:52] <ryan_tait> the dash as well?
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  818. # [17:52] <ryan_tait> oh gotcha
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  820. # [17:52] <uf0_work> well the dash is inside the small tag
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  822. # [17:52] <uf0_work> it essentially returns this if null... <small>-</small>
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  824. # [17:53] <ryan_tait> hmm well that if statement shouldn't be stopping the small tag to not show
  825. # [17:53] <uf0_work> i don't want anything period
  826. # [17:54] <uf0_work> yea..
  827. # [17:54] <ryan_tait> oh so if it's null you want nothing to show ok
  828. # [17:54] <ryan_tait> one sec
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  830. # [17:55] <uf0_work> yup.
  831. # [17:55] <kevindougans> change line 2 to <?php if (strlen(the_repeater_field('article_info')) > 0): ?>
  832. # [17:56] <ryan_tait> yup
  833. # [17:56] <ryan_tait> that will do it
  834. # [17:56] <uf0_work> i should probably but the if statement behind the opening small tag was well
  835. # [17:56] <uf0_work> right?
  836. # [17:56] <kevindougans> correct.
  837. # [17:56] <uf0_work> trying..
  838. # [17:56] <kevindougans> and swap line 4 and 5 too
  839. # [17:56] <ryan_tait> thats what i just did in your pastebin but iuses isset(the_repeater_field('article_info'))
  840. # [17:57] <ryan_tait> i used
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  843. # [17:57] <uf0_work> sec..
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  845. # [17:59] <uf0_work> tried it not working
  846. # [17:59] <uf0_work> http://pastebin.com/LgKWhgk8
  847. # [17:59] <kevindougans> ok delete it all
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  850. # [17:59] <kevindougans> and put <?php echo the_repeater_field('article_info'); ?>
  851. # [17:59] <kevindougans> and tell me what it says
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  853. # [18:00] <uf0_work> well it's fine if there is value
  854. # [18:00] <uf0_work> but it still spits out
  855. # [18:00] <uf0_work> <small>-</small> if there is none
  856. # [18:00] <kevindougans> yes because its returning true
  857. # [18:01] <uf0_work> maybe i'm using wrong words here..
  858. # [18:01] <kevindougans> what you first pasted to me
  859. # [18:01] <kevindougans> that will ALWAYS return true
  860. # [18:01] <kevindougans> therefor always print the -
  861. # [18:01] <uf0_work> ahhh
  862. # [18:01] <uf0_work> so I guess i'm using wrong words
  863. # [18:01] <uf0_work> let me rephrase
  864. # [18:01] <kevindougans> what i sent you with strlen should check it has more than 0 characters
  865. # [18:01] <kevindougans> try changing the 0 to a 1
  866. # [18:02] <kevindougans> because even if its empty it must be sending something back to get by that check
  867. # [18:02] <kevindougans> or what you think as empty
  868. # [18:02] <kevindougans> but maybe has 1 character
  869. # [18:03] <kevindougans> thats why you should put <?php echo '<h1>' . the_repeater_field('article_info') . '</h1>'; ?> and tell me what it says
  870. # [18:04] <uf0_work> it says 1
  871. # [18:04] <uf0_work> when i did <?php echo '<h1>' . the_repeater_field('article_info') . '</h1>'; ?>
  872. # [18:04] <kevindougans> ok
  873. # [18:04] <kevindougans> so
  874. # [18:04] <kevindougans> change it now to:
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  876. # [18:04] <kevindougans> <?php if (strlen(the_repeater_field('article_info')) > 1): ?>
  877. # [18:04] <ryan_tait> >=1
  878. # [18:04] <kevindougans> there ya go, :-)
  879. # [18:04] <kevindougans> no
  880. # [18:04] <ryan_tait> or just greater than
  881. # [18:04] <kevindougans> just greater than
  882. # [18:05] <ryan_tait> if its one it's empty .. strange
  883. # [18:05] <kevindougans> because its a function
  884. # [18:05] <uf0_work> so I did >=1
  885. # [18:05] <kevindougans> functions return true or false, or a value or false
  886. # [18:05] <kevindougans> can't be empty
  887. # [18:05] <uf0_work> and it works fine when there is data
  888. # [18:05] <uf0_work> but if there is no data
  889. # [18:05] <uf0_work> it still spits out
  890. # [18:06] <uf0_work> <small>-</small>
  891. # [18:06] <kevindougans> hahaha
  892. # [18:06] <kevindougans> are you listening to what i'm saying
  893. # [18:06] <ryan_tait> just put > 1
  894. # [18:06] <kevindougans> not greater than and equal to
  895. # [18:06] <kevindougans> just greater than 1
  896. # [18:06] <uf0_work> ok doing that
  897. # [18:06] <JonathanNeal> well, i could not get around printing namespaces in IE8.
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  899. # [18:07] <uf0_work> kevindougans: so I did what you said.. so now it doesn't return anything period
  900. # [18:07] <uf0_work> want me to pastebin the code?
  901. # [18:08] <kevindougans> yup
  902. # [18:08] <ryan_tait> maybe it should be !=1
  903. # [18:08] <uf0_work> http://pastebin.com/x0GttLj4
  904. # [18:08] <kevindougans> maybe we should be using functions for printing stuff :)
  905. # [18:08] <uf0_work> fyi.. those fields are data from wordpress
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  908. # [18:09] <kevindougans> never used it thankfully :)
  909. # [18:10] <kevindougans> one sec i'll look up the the_repeater_field function
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  911. # [18:10] <kevindougans> cause i'm obviously wrongfully assuming something about this function
  912. # [18:10] <uf0_work> http://plugins.elliotcondon.com/advanced-custom-fields/documentation/code-examples/#wpshdo_1
  913. # [18:13] <kevindougans> try this: http://pastebin.com/8DpjMSvU
  914. # [18:13] <kevindougans> tell me what happens
  915. # [18:14] <paul_irish> i have questions about windows update
  916. # [18:14] <paul_irish> "We’re re-issuing the IE9 or IE8 Windows Update and removing the additional UI prompt so that it is installed without additional user interaction for a more seamless experience for the end user. The update will ship as a high-priority update for XP and Important class update for Vista and Windows 7."
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  918. # [18:14] <paul_irish> without a UI prompt is there meaning to the importance of the update?
  919. # [18:15] <kevindougans> think there saying its going to be done in much as the background as possible?
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  921. # [18:15] <kevindougans> before it asked people "do you want to upgrade"
  922. # [18:16] <kevindougans> think now its just going to download and instal on next reboot
  923. # [18:16] <kevindougans> if you have auto updates on
  924. # [18:16] <uf0_work> kevindougans
  925. # [18:16] <uf0_work> <?php if(get_field('article_info')): ?>
  926. # [18:16] <uf0_work>
  927. # [18:16] <uf0_work> <?php while(the_repeater_field('article_info')): ?>
  928. # [18:16] <uf0_work> <?php the_sub_field('location'); ?> <?php the_sub_field('date'); ?> - <?php the_sub_field('time'); ?>
  929. # [18:16] <uf0_work> <?php endwhile; ?>
  930. # [18:16] <uf0_work>
  931. # [18:16] <uf0_work> <?php endif; ?>
  932. # [18:16] <kevindougans> which is the best news i've ever heard
  933. # [18:16] <uf0_work> whoa sorry guys
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  935. # [18:16] <uf0_work> it means they're doing what FF and chrome does best
  936. # [18:17] <uf0_work> update automagically :)
  937. # [18:17] <kevindougans> or am i getting your questing wrong paul_irish ?
  938. # [18:17] <uf0_work> kevindougans: it works now returing the data
  939. # [18:17] <paul_irish> mostly right i think
  940. # [18:17] <uf0_work> but still spits out small
  941. # [18:17] <uf0_work> if no data
  942. # [18:17] <uf0_work> so i'm at same place
  943. # [18:17] <paul_irish> i just dont understand how the distinction of "importance" matters if both are "silent"
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  946. # [18:18] <kevindougans> to people who use IE6 & IE7 today; IE10 is of no importance to them, they don't care. my gran, does not care. she uses chrome because i put it on her desktop and renamed it "THE INTERNET"
  947. # [18:19] <uf0_work> LOL
  948. # [18:19] <uf0_work> i like that, i'ma use that
  949. # [18:19] <kevindougans> uf0_work: where did you put the <small> tags in my code… you should have put them on line 4
  950. # [18:19] <paul_irish> nice move
  951. # [18:19] <paul_irish> i meant importance as in " The update will ship as a high-priority update for XP and Important class update for Vista and Windows 7."
  952. # [18:19] <paul_irish> this is from http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2011/12/15/ie-auto-updates-good-news-for-businesses-too.aspx
  953. # [18:20] <kevindougans> yes. they have confusing terminology
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  955. # [18:20] <kevindougans> high priority means it will be classed as high priority meaning that for most people who have selected "automatically download and instal high priority updates"
  956. # [18:20] <uf0_work> http://pastebin.com/BV4WWCMp
  957. # [18:21] <uf0_work> kevindougans: yea i did that
  958. # [18:21] <uf0_work> check pastebin
  959. # [18:21] <kevindougans> so basically my gran will now get the new IE installed, because i've selected download and instal all important updates
  960. # [18:22] <kevindougans> uf0_work: 2 secs, i'll fix it
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  962. # [18:22] <uf0_work> yessir
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  964. # [18:23] <kevindougans> uf0_work: http://pastebin.com/gDEqMMnY
  965. # [18:23] <kevindougans> try that and lemme know
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  968. # [18:24] <uf0_work> sec
  969. # [18:24] <kevindougans> the most annoying part about this paul_irish is the fact they aren't rolling this out on XP… where generally IE6/IE7 (and IE8 probably) is at the highest usage.
  970. # [18:25] <kevindougans> most people on the newer windows are more up to date from the stats i've seen
  971. # [18:25] <kevindougans> but people stuck on XP because of internal IT policies etc are the people holding us back through no fault of their own
  972. # [18:25] <uf0_work> errr.. still returns fine if data there
  973. # [18:25] <paul_irish> i'm reading that XP users do get the pushed updates..
  974. # [18:26] <uf0_work> spits out small and dash if nada
  975. # [18:26] <uf0_work> should we be echoing ? just a thought
  976. # [18:27] <uf0_work> paul_irish: and it'll be that way for awhile since most people using the internet are at their jobs :(
  977. # [18:27] <kevindougans> interesting… i need to look up the stats more… i can't imagine how someone on windows 7 could possibly be on ie7/8…
  978. # [18:27] <uf0_work> corporate world
  979. # [18:29] <kevindougans> http://pastebin.com/U8pqpwdf uf0_work
  980. # [18:31] <moo-_-> about IE
  981. # [18:31] <moo-_-> just blogged about xdissent's OSX and Linux virtual machine install scripts: http://opensourcehacker.com/2011/12/15/install-internet-explorer-6-ie9-virtual-machines-on-any-os-using-one-liner-script-and-virtual-box/
  982. # [18:31] <paul_irish> oooooh yay
  983. # [18:31] <paul_irish> thx moo-_-
  984. # [18:31] <paul_irish> moo-_-: i really want this to support IE10pp4 on win8 dev preview
  985. # [18:32] <paul_irish> heh
  986. # [18:32] <moo-_-> paul_irish: Greg just replied in Twitter he is working on something this week - maybe it's win8 dev prev then )
  987. # [18:32] <paul_irish> hot
  988. # [18:32] <divya> moo-_-: how much space does this occupy? the vms
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  990. # [18:33] <divya> o 7GB
  991. # [18:33] <moo-_-> 20 GB for installing IE9
  992. # [18:33] <moo-_-> 7 GB download
  993. # [18:33] <paul_irish> even more than 7
  994. # [18:33] <divya> 19GB GOOD LORD
  995. # [18:33] <moo-_-> it's WINDOWS
  996. # [18:33] <moo-_-> what did you expect :)
  997. # [18:33] <divya> its ridic
  998. # [18:33] <uf0_work> kevindougans: <h1>Array</h1><small> New York 10/10/2012 - 10:32 GMT</small> <-- returns if data
  999. # [18:33] <paul_irish> divya: https://github.com/xdissent/ievms/issues/1
  1000. # [18:33] <socialhapy> ★ Issue #1 on ievms, reported by paulirish (3m, 3w ago): estimate on disk space required?
  1001. # [18:33] <uf0_work> kevindougans: <h1>Array</h1> <-- returns if no data
  1002. # [18:33] <kevindougans> jees 7gb
  1003. # [18:33] <kevindougans> uf0_work: perfect!!!
  1004. # [18:33] <kevindougans> 2 secs
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  1006. # [18:34] <uf0_work> k
  1007. # [18:34] <kevindougans> uf0_work: http://pastebin.com/bQa1d7bg
  1008. # [18:34] <kevindougans> enjoy :)
  1009. # [18:35] <kevindougans> 7gb for me, in ibiza, thats gonna take me a couple of days
  1010. # [18:35] <uf0_work> heh sec
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  1012. # [18:35] <kevindougans> no other choice though at the minute… been sending my mates links and asking them for sscreenshots back
  1013. # [18:36] <paul_irish> who lives in ibiza? that's preposterous
  1014. # [18:37] <paul_irish> also this is hot https://wiki.mozilla.org/WebAPI/NetworkAPI#Proposed_API
  1015. # [18:37] <kevindougans> pain-in-the-ass is best to describe it
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  1017. # [18:37] <uf0_work> kevindougans: <small> New York 10/10/2012 - 10:32 GMT</small> <-- if data
  1018. # [18:38] <uf0_work> kevindougans: <small> - </small> <-- no data
  1019. # [18:38] <uf0_work> scratches head..
  1020. # [18:39] <kevindougans> uf0_work: you must have a blank entry
  1021. # [18:39] <kevindougans> delete it out your database
  1022. # [18:40] <uf0_work> hmmm
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  1025. # [18:41] <kevindougans> uf0_work: http://pastebin.com/wuX2bP9X
  1026. # [18:41] <kevindougans> this should ignore the blank entry
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  1028. # [18:43] <uf0_work> tried it same..
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  1030. # [18:44] <uf0_work> hmm in the docs in the conditionals it has echo blah
  1031. # [18:44] <kevindougans> <?= is the same as echo
  1032. # [18:44] <uf0_work> ooh
  1033. # [18:44] <uf0_work> gotcha
  1034. # [18:45] <kevindougans> delete it all and do this: <pre><?php print_r(get_field('article_info')); ?></pre>
  1035. # [18:45] <kevindougans> then paste bin me the results
  1036. # [18:45] <uf0_work> sec
  1037. # [18:45] <kevindougans> if i can't figure it out after that i'm going to suggest deleting wordpress and making your own system :)
  1038. # [18:46] <uf0_work> loll
  1039. # [18:47] <kevindougans> wow. nathan smith just posted RT'd this: http://www.geek.com/articles/news/google-chrome-unseats-internet-explorer-as-top-browser-worldwide-20111215/
  1040. # [18:47] <kevindougans> chrome number 1 in world. yeeeha.
  1041. # [18:49] <uf0_work> !! go chrome
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  1043. # [18:50] <uf0_work> kevindougans: msged you results since it's alot for chat
  1044. # [18:50] <uf0_work> oh let me paste you when there's no data
  1045. # [18:50] <uf0_work> forgot sec
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  1047. # [18:53] <paul_irish> funny thing is the headlines are chrome 15 is top browser
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  1050. # [18:54] <paul_irish> but clearly those stats are out of date because chrome just shipped v16 to all 200M users over the last few days
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  1052. # [18:54] <paul_irish> so chrome 15 probably has less users than IE6 as of today
  1053. # [18:54] <paul_irish> :p
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  1056. # [18:55] <kevindougans> lol true
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  1067. # [19:06] <wturrell> if Microsoft are doing this, does it make it inevitable that Mozilla will follow?
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  1070. # [19:09] <kevindougans> mozilla does
  1071. # [19:09] <kevindougans> or the newest versions do
  1072. # [19:09] <kevindougans> 100%
  1073. # [19:09] <kevindougans> too often
  1074. # [19:09] <kevindougans> annoys me
  1075. # [19:09] <kevindougans> a release a day]
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  1088. # [19:23] <divya> basically everyone do this now.
  1089. # [19:24] <divya> all are on the same page.
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  1093. # [19:25] <cgcardona> I'm wondering how does a old browser 'know' to gracefully degrade from type='email' to type='text' ?
  1094. # [19:26] <uf0_work> firefox
  1095. # [19:26] <uf0_work> i'd leave firefox if it wasn't for firebug
  1096. # [19:26] <divya> cgcardona: unknown types default to default types? http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#h-17.4
  1097. # [19:27] <uf0_work> i'm still dying for chome dev tools to be exactly like ui of firebug :)
  1098. # [19:27] <uf0_work> and finally just trash firefox
  1099. # [19:27] <paul_irish> http://html5advent2011.digitpaint.nl/
  1100. # [19:27] <uf0_work> but that won't happen :(
  1101. # [19:27] <paul_irish> uf0_work: what specifically do you want
  1102. # [19:28] <uf0_work> the most annoying thing EVER
  1103. # [19:28] <uf0_work> on chrome
  1104. # [19:28] <uf0_work> is the checkbar all the way to the right
  1105. # [19:28] <uf0_work> i have to keep moving my mouse 1 second over
  1106. # [19:28] <kevindougans> thats the geekiest christmas thing i've ever seen in my life
  1107. # [19:28] <uf0_work> in firebug.. very simple it's right next to the css property
  1108. # [19:28] <cgcardona> so if a person comes to the site on an old blackberry that doesn't support type='email' it will just gracefully degrade to type='text' ? I'm looking around the office for an old device but noone seems to have one.
  1109. # [19:28] <uf0_work> this one is HUGEEE
  1110. # [19:29] <uf0_work> you know what i'm referring to right?
  1111. # [19:29] <uf0_work> paul_irish
  1112. # [19:29] <cgcardona> thanks divya
  1113. # [19:29] <paul_irish> uf0_work: https://plus.google.com/113127438179392830442/posts/eHVB64ZWVwF
  1114. # [19:30] <uf0_work> you have a plus and minus on the left next to css rules
  1115. # [19:30] <kevindougans> firebug does seem to be much easier to use… i've tried with chromes dev tools but just doesn't seem natural. the firebug click to highlight a html tag thing is amazing. instead of right clicking inspect element all the time
  1116. # [19:31] <paul_irish> "to highlight" ? what do you mean
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  1118. # [19:33] <kevindougans> you click the big and then you can run your mouse over the rendered page and it shows you the css properties for the element your mouse is on top of
  1119. # [19:33] <uf0_work> paul_irish: saw the link, yea pretty much the checkboxes on the left would be great..
  1120. # [19:33] <uf0_work> that said, is it going to happen officially?"
  1121. # [19:34] <kevindougans> "click an element in the page to inspect" it's called in firebug
  1122. # [19:34] <uf0_work> and when if it does
  1123. # [19:34] <uf0_work> this will save me hours! :)
  1124. # [19:34] <kevindougans> can't see the same thing in chrome without right clicking, which is difficult cause sometimes theres a fine line between the thing you are trying to select
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  1126. # [19:36] <kevindougans> just googled it, and the corresponding blog post points out that in chrome its a magnifying glass down the bottom
  1127. # [19:36] <kevindougans> i stand corrected.
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  1129. # [19:36] <uf0_work> kevindougans: was about to say magnifier at bottom
  1130. # [19:36] <kevindougans> wish i'd have known that the past year haha
  1131. # [19:37] <paul_irish> uf0_work: basically we need a design
  1132. # [19:37] <uf0_work> still the inspect for firebug i do like more.. um I remember requesting they put that at top UI wise though
  1133. # [19:37] <kevindougans> http://html5advent2011.digitpaint.nl/ doesn't work in aurora!!!
  1134. # [19:37] <paul_irish> uf0_work: so far none of the proposals have had a good enough design
  1135. # [19:38] <uf0_work> paul_irish: i see..
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  1137. # [19:38] <uf0_work> well i hope you guys get to that one.. cuz it's so small but so important
  1138. # [19:38] <uf0_work> in the mean
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  1140. # [19:39] <uf0_work> here's how i'm working
  1141. # [19:39] <uf0_work> use chrome just to browse and ocassionally use dev tools
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  1143. # [19:39] <uf0_work> because chrome as a browser if effing great
  1144. # [19:39] <uf0_work> but to work on dev stuff
  1145. # [19:39] <uf0_work> gotta open up mr. firebug ;)
  1146. # [19:39] <kevindougans> paul_irish: simple things for me like the syntax highlighting colours in firebug stand out to me more than chromes
  1147. # [19:40] <kevindougans> the memory leak in chromes another major pain, well it was until today when my new 8gb iMac arrived
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  1149. # [19:41] <wturrell> kevindougans: you know about shit-cmd-c? (mac) - then move mouse over elements
  1150. # [19:41] <paul_irish> ^^
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  1152. # [19:42] <uf0_work> 8GB is not enough on imac for me
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  1156. # [19:42] <uf0_work> need 16GB
  1157. # [19:42] <kevindougans> wturrell: nope, i did not until about 5 mins ago when i found the magnifying glass
  1158. # [19:42] <uf0_work> especially with ff and chrome open
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  1160. # [19:42] <uf0_work> oh and parallels
  1161. # [19:42] <kevindougans> don't say that, its only just arrived and could have had 16gb if i'd have asked the boss nicely but thought i'd rather have the extra money spent on adwords
  1162. # [19:43] <wturrell> kevindougans: Oh - so that's what that does. I assumed it was some sort of search so never clicked it.
  1163. # [19:43] <uf0_work> hahaha
  1164. # [19:43] <kevindougans> i'm gonna buy a crappy old laptop. don't fancy putting windows on this
  1165. # [19:43] <uf0_work> kevindougans: here's a good adwords tip... max cpc leave at .07 :)
  1166. # [19:43] <kevindougans> wturrell: me too!!!!! i only read about it on a blog post when trying to google the name of it
  1167. # [19:44] <jarek> paul_irish: how about this? http://pics.kiwi-themes.com/628.png
  1168. # [19:45] <paul_irish> :) thx jarek
  1169. # [19:45] <jarek> paul_irish: display line number on left side, clicking on line number would comment out the line
  1170. # [19:45] <jarek> paul_irish: it's not really proposal, I already started implementing this thing :P
  1171. # [19:46] <paul_irish> :D
  1172. # [19:46] <kevindougans> uf0_work: my boss is a multi millionaire club owner in ibiza. could tell him i need 2 macs if i really wanted http://instagr.am/p/ZPEX6/ 7 cent cpc is nothing to him lol
  1173. # [19:46] <paul_irish> jarek: would love this mock on my G+ or on the webkit ticket
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  1175. # [19:48] <uf0_work> jarek: that's kinda genius right there
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  1177. # [19:48] <kevindougans> home time. so gutted the iMacs not half as portable as my laptop and have to leave it in office.
  1178. # [19:49] <uf0_work> jarek__
  1179. # [19:49] <kevindougans> smell y'all later.
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  1181. # [19:49] <uf0_work> yo kevin thanks again for your help!
  1182. # [19:49] <kevindougans> np
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  1193. # [20:07] <paul_irish> jarek__: plz do one of those. i will forget this otherwise !
  1194. # [20:08] <jarek__> paul_irish: but it's not finished
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  1196. # [20:08] <jarek__> paul_irish: I'm expecting to have finished Chrome extension that implements this in February
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  1198. # [20:09] <martndemus> quick question: any suggestion how to fix padding in % on inputs for firefox?
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  1201. # [20:10] <jarek__> paul_irish: btw, don't you think the inspector should make more use of CSS3 animations?
  1202. # [20:11] <jarek__> paul_irish: e.g. when you expand or collapse DOM tree, a short animations could make the experience smoother
  1203. # [20:12] <martndemus> ( fiddle with padding on input: http://jsfiddle.net/ANRq5/ check it out in ff)
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  1205. # [20:13] <jarek__> new Firefox Dev tools are using animations all over the place
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  1211. # [20:16] <Jon47> personally i'd rather my graphics card not spin up when i'm debugging stuff, but maybe it could be optionally disabled..
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  1219. # [20:25] <jarek__> Jon47: yeah, animating collapsible nodes would most likely introduce more reflows
  1220. # [20:26] <jarek__> but there are tricks to avoid that
  1221. # [20:27] <jarek__> I find it confusing that the DOM inspector jumps from one position to another immediately when I inspect an element
  1222. # [20:29] <jarek__> as it's hard to tell whether the inspected element is down or up in the tree compared to the previous one
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  1224. # [20:32] <Jon47> jarek__ are you on a Mac with Lion? you can set the scrollbars to always be visible so it's easier to visualize your current position in the context of the whole document
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  1227. # [20:34] <jarek__> I have scrollbars enabled, but I still feel lost
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  1230. # [20:37] <helpcrypto> hi
  1231. # [20:37] <helpcrypto> is there any way of getting the REAL path for an input type=file, and not the fakepath ?
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  1233. # [20:40] <martndemus> don't think so
  1234. # [20:42] <helpcrypto> ¬¬
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  1264. # [21:37] <Sazpaimon> How do I do <meta http-equiv="cache-control" content="no-cache" /> in pure HTML?
  1265. # [21:37] <Sazpaimon> If I had something like PHP i could send the header, but what if I don't have that
  1266. # [21:38] <paul_irish> o.o
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  1268. # [21:41] <Velmont> Sazpaimon: Maybe your web server can send it for you. Either using .htaccess if you're on apache or similar for other web servers.
  1269. # [21:41] <Sazpaimon> I use nginx, no htaccess support there
  1270. # [21:41] <Sazpaimon> I would need to modify the config file, something I don't really want to do
  1271. # [21:41] <gnarf> Sazpaimon: but you can edit the site.conf file to disable caching
  1272. # [21:42] <Sazpaimon> does HTML5 not support sending cache directives in the HTML itself?
  1273. # [21:42] <gnarf> its really not the right place for it... the <meta> tag should work if the browser supports it
  1274. # [21:43] <gnarf> the best place is on the server anyway... also - if you aren't using a server side lang to generate the html, why do you need no cache ?
  1275. # [21:43] <Sazpaimon> I am using a server side language
  1276. # [21:43] <Sazpaimon> but the server side language generates html files
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  1278. # [21:44] <Velmont> Sazpaimon: So you should turn on ETags or something similar in nginx.
  1279. # [21:45] <Sazpaimon> I don't understand why cache control isn't valid to the html5 spec
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  1281. # [21:45] <Sazpaimon> browsers have and will continue to support it forever
  1282. # [21:46] <Velmont> Sazpaimon: There is really no reason why you can't use it.
  1283. # [21:46] <Velmont> Sazpaimon: But ETags et al is really better for your use case, -- as far as I've understood. :-)
  1284. # [21:46] <Sazpaimon> I can use it, sure, but then it wouldn't be valid
  1285. # [21:46] <Sazpaimon> my question is not why can't I use it, but why is it no longer in the spec
  1286. # [21:47] <Velmont> Sazpaimon: That I haven't followed, but you might have more luck in #whatwg (or here) if you wait a few hours.
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  1289. # [21:49] <Sazpaimon> it's not unlikely that a user would have a plain, not script generated HTML file that gets frequently edited, but the user has no access to .htaccess (due to webserver [mis]configuration)
  1290. # [21:49] <Sazpaimon> what's he to do if he wants to strictly conform to the spec
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  1302. # [21:57] <Velmont> Sazpaimon: Well. The web server would check the timestamp of the file, -- or the checksum of it, and reply with 302 Not Modified when it's not modified?
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  1310. # [22:05] <yamahaalex> can anyone please help me why my canvas wont resize
  1311. # [22:05] <yamahaalex> height
  1312. # [22:05] <yamahaalex> its really short code
  1313. # [22:05] <yamahaalex> http://jsfiddle.net/eUSn3/
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  1348. # [22:58] <beardbar> Hi, am I using aside correctly here? http://jsfiddle.net/rDw7C/
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  1351. # [23:06] <Jon47> beardbar I don't thnk so
  1352. # [23:08] <Jon47> there's a nav element for navigation
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  1356. # [23:15] <beardbar> jon47 so just have nav, even if both navs are going to be floated to the left of the content div?
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  1359. # [23:16] <Jon47> beardbar yep, sounds good to me.. floating left or not is a style decision, what tag you use is a content decision, the two are not related
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  1365. # [23:20] <beardbar> perfect thanks jon
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  1377. # [23:42] <Aric> paul_irish: will you be reference for me on a resume?
  1378. # [23:42] <Aric> (jk ofc)
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  1385. # [23:55] <Pomax> O_o
  1386. # [23:55] <Pomax> when did MS exactly decide to start "forced" autoupdating?
  1387. # [23:56] <Pomax> paul_irish, who did you point a gun at?
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  1391. # [23:58] <radix> I haven't found a good way to decode an ArrayBuffer with UTF-8 to a JavaScript string. Anyone else try to do this before?
  1392. # [23:59] <Pomax> no, but let me try that right now.
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