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  1. # Session Start: Fri Dec 16 00:00:01 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
  3. # [00:00] <radix> Pomax: cool, thanks :-)
  4. # [00:01] <radix> I found https://github.com/oftn/common which indicates a desire to implement a function to do it, but hasn't actually implemented it.
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  9. # [00:03] <radix> wow.... and now I see it actually implements the UTF8 encoding procedure manually :O that doesn't give me a lot of confidence
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  17. # [00:08] <Pomax> radix, http://farhadi.ir/downloads/utf8.js
  18. # [00:09] <Pomax> why not? JavaScript is UTF16, if you have a UTF8 encoded byte string, you need to do the manual conversion.
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  20. # [00:09] <Pomax> I was going to actually write that myself, then noticed that utf8.js does it in not a lot of lines.
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  23. # [00:09] <radix> well, is there a way to decode utf16?
  24. # [00:10] <radix> that's close, it takes a string instead of an array, but I can adapt it
  25. # [00:11] <Pomax> you don't need to decode utf16. just concatenate the bytes, and it's a string.
  26. # [00:12] <radix> not if they're an array of integers or ArrayBuffer
  27. # [00:12] <radix> oh, I guess there's a way to convert an int to a char
  28. # [00:12] <Pomax> there is indeed, we call it String.fromCharCode
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  31. # [00:14] <Pomax> not quite as short as chr(), but eh.
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  39. # [00:29] <yamahaalex-brb> is there a way i can detect if a canvas is active
  40. # [00:29] <yamahaalex-brb> sort of like flash only allows input if your "clicked in" the area
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  44. # [00:36] <moo-_-> yamahaalex-brb: there is no such thing as active canvas
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  46. # [00:36] <yamahaalex> moo, so i just need to bind it to document?
  47. # [00:37] <yamahaalex> and then what happens if its time to enter name for high score or something
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  49. # [00:37] <moo-_-> I don't know because you are not telling me what you are binding
  50. # [00:37] <yamahaalex> for example, wasd move keys
  51. # [00:37] <moo-_-> document would be more practical
  52. # [00:37] <yamahaalex> and then somehow unbind it when its time to enter some text?
  53. # [00:38] <moo-_-> DOM elements can have :focus
  54. # [00:38] <yamahaalex> ohhh, i think thats what i meant then
  55. # [00:38] <moo-_-> but I suggest you just check how any of those 2d javascript gaming libraries out there do it
  56. # [00:38] <yamahaalex> ok
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  58. # [00:39] <moo-_-> your game state should control whether input events are captured or not
  59. # [00:39] <moo-_-> if game is active
  60. # [00:39] <moo-_-> just call e.preventDefault()
  61. # [00:39] <moo-_-> else
  62. # [00:39] <moo-_-> ignore the event
  63. # [00:40] <yamahaalex> ok good point
  64. # [00:40] <yamahaalex> thank you
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  68. # [00:45] <Echoes2> I always wondered the difference between return false and e.preventDefault(), return false also stops propagation
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  77. # [00:54] <tw2113> yo michaelrtm
  78. # [00:54] <tw2113> er miketaylr
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  80. # [00:54] <miketaylr> sup dude
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  82. # [00:56] <tw2113> finishing up some tv before i hope to dive into some work
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  85. # [00:58] <tw2113> gotta love The Daily Show
  86. # [00:58] <tw2113> and Colbert Report
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  217. # [04:46] <tw2113> who's pretty good with jquery? :D I have some questions relating to dom stuff with it and css application
  218. # [04:48] <tw2113> basically i'm trying to add some accessibility to a site in two ways. First way being with a basic plugin that increases font size manually, the 2nd being adding a css <link> to the head and having the CSS in it override the default
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  220. # [04:49] <tw2113> if i use the manual font resizing first, the <link> doesn't apply like expected
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  222. # [04:50] <tw2113> evening ryanseddon
  223. # [04:51] <ryanseddon> yo
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  235. # [05:12] <divya> i am not sure what you are doing tw2113
  236. # [05:12] <divya> page would be good to see.
  237. # [05:12] <tw2113> http://poetrylondon.co.uk/
  238. # [05:12] <tw2113> in the upper right
  239. # [05:13] <dr0id> sup Michael
  240. # [05:13] <tw2113> if you click the "accessibility mode" link, it should blow the text up to 30px or more
  241. # [05:13] <tw2113> yo
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  243. # [05:13] <tw2113> if you click the font size changing links above that first, and then click the accessibility mode link, it doesn't change
  244. # [05:14] <tw2113> all I'm doing is appending the <link> to the <head>
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  246. # [05:15] <divya> tw2113: its because the font-size plugin is setting inline styles?
  247. # [05:16] <divya> i dunno how they can work in tandem, it has to be either or.
  248. # [05:16] <tw2113> ahh hmm
  249. # [05:16] <divya> or make the plugin not set the styles inline but gather them in a stylesheet
  250. # [05:17] <tw2113> any inline part may be the key
  251. # [05:17] <tw2113> i don't think it's a damning thing, but just a "it'd be even better if working in tandem" moment
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  270. # [06:19] <paul_irish> http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Autocompletetype
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  284. # [07:02] <ryanseddon> doesn't datalist already cover the need for autocomplete type
  285. # [07:03] <paul_irish> wha
  286. # [07:04] <paul_irish> datalist is populated by data the author has
  287. # [07:04] <paul_irish> autocompletetype is for browser autofill which data the browser has
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  290. # [07:05] <ryanseddon> yeah maybe i should read more before commenting, i see its use now
  291. # [07:05] <ryanseddon> maybe i should go into politics
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  294. # [07:14] <paul_irish> maybe!
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  428. # [10:08] <dr0id> can someone tell him that he has an extremely cool connection ?
  429. # [10:08] <OzDave_imac> k line :)?
  430. # [10:09] <dr0id> don't know
  431. # [10:09] <dr0id> w/e, its just very cool, let him know the next time he joins.
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  488. # [11:59] <obert-> Element form not allowed as child of element hgroup in this context. (Suppressing further errors from this subtree. http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Framacciotti.altervista.org%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&ss=1&group=0&verbose=1&user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.2#line-28 what's wrong with my structure?
  489. # [11:59] <obert-> flow content?
  490. # [12:01] <Pomax> what does line 26 do?
  491. # [12:02] <obert-> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/content-models.html#flow-content
  492. # [12:03] <obert-> line 26 seems a typo
  493. # [12:03] <Pomax> no, I mean, look at your line 26. what is it doing there
  494. # [12:03] <Pomax> because it's a good bet it's completely missing up the DOM
  495. # [12:03] <obert-> just a typo seems. the errors are misunderstanding of specs instead
  496. # [12:04] <obert-> what is flow contnt?
  497. # [12:05] <obert-> content
  498. # [12:05] <Pomax> basically content that effects block-level positioning
  499. # [12:05] <obert-> ...
  500. # [12:06] <obert-> how should i strucure the page to fix errors?
  501. # [12:06] <Pomax> well, for one, remove line 26. "just a typo" doesn't exist in HTML
  502. # [12:07] <Pomax> "will fantastically fuck up the DOM", does. So if you remove it, entirely possible your error disappears.
  503. # [12:07] <Pomax> because you're closing your unordered list early, then closing a fictional list item, then a fictional list, at this point I expect the error parser to be thoroughly confused already
  504. # [12:08] <Pomax> that said, I'm not sure why you're sticking so much in the <hgroup> element
  505. # [12:09] <obert-> Pomax: line 26 is ok
  506. # [12:09] <Pomax> since most of what you've put in there isn't heading text at all.
  507. # [12:09] <obert-> .main and #menuprincipale are nested ul
  508. # [12:10] <obert-> the point seems that form is inside hgroup.
  509. # [12:10] <obert-> *seems to be
  510. # [12:11] <Pomax> given that hgroup is for grouping h1..h6 elements, it's surprising that it trips over <form> but not over everything else.
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  512. # [12:11] <obert-> then.. how should i structure that page?:)
  513. # [12:11] <Pomax> then again if I scroll up in your link, it does say that nav is not allowed in hgroup
  514. # [12:11] <obert-> mah
  515. # [12:12] <Pomax> move </hgroup> up to right after that <h1>
  516. # [12:12] <obert-> hmm
  517. # [12:12] <Pomax> between your current lines 20/21
  518. # [12:13] <obert-> nothing more?
  519. # [12:13] <obert-> no wrappers for headers ul and form?
  520. # [12:13] <Pomax> <nav> etc are just fine inside <header>, so that should do the trick
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  522. # [12:13] <Pomax> but <hgroup> is very specific in what you can put inside it: only <h1> through <h6>
  523. # [12:14] <obert-> i see
  524. # [12:14] <obert-> mah
  525. # [12:14] <obert-> flow content == no wrappers
  526. # [12:15] <obert-> like everything inside a div
  527. # [12:15] <obert-> well those elements listed http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/content-models.html#flow-content
  528. # [12:15] <obert-> indeed it is a bit diff than html4
  529. # [12:17] <obert-> mm thanks
  530. # [12:20] <Jonadabe> Hi there. Where can I find a .html file with many if not all html5 tags implemented (like an example or tutorial)?
  531. # [12:20] <Pomax> what do you mean with "implemented"?
  532. # [12:21] <Jonadabe> "writed down" maby ?!
  533. # [12:21] <kevindougans> wikipedia.org/html5
  534. # [12:21] <kevindougans> theres a list on there
  535. # [12:21] <kevindougans> last time i seen anyway
  536. # [12:22] <kevindougans> well thats got new additions only
  537. # [12:22] <Jonadabe> 404 – File not found
  538. # [12:22] <Pomax> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/
  539. # [12:23] <Pomax> every element has an example of how it's used
  540. # [12:23] <kevindougans> even better :)
  541. # [12:27] <Jonadabe> Pomax: thanks.
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  544. # [12:30] <Jonadabe> Not all major browsers support html5, am I wright? For the oldest IE browsers what is the best way to get arround? Using this http://code.google.com/p/html5shiv/ would be the best way??
  545. # [12:31] <moo-_-> Jonadabe: the way to get around is that you don't support old browsers
  546. # [12:31] <moo-_-> Jonadabe: and this
  547. # [12:31] <moo-_-> http://code.google.com/chrome/chromeframe/
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  549. # [12:35] <jetienne_> Jonadabe: look at modernizr it got many libraries to provide modern features on old browser
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  555. # [12:38] <Jonadabe> moo-_-: hum... didn't knew this. But if must install something why not a better browser?! The real problem is that many people don't know what they are doing or sometimes they can't upgrade because their system priviliges...
  556. # [12:38] <Jonadabe> jetienne_ from that I heared about, but forgot the name of it! LOL
  557. # [12:39] <jetienne_> Jonadabe: chromeframe is installable without system priviledges
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  560. # [12:40] <Jonadabe> hum... still, many users don't are confortable when they mjust install something. Its sad, but its the truth!
  561. # [12:41] <Jonadabe> if they where comfortable with it, they knew they should upgrade their browsers!
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  606. # [14:37] <obert-> is there a child el to use as wrapper inside header?:p
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  610. # [14:41] <martndemus> div? =D
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  620. # [14:55] <speakman> Hi folks! When using WebSQL - how do I set and retrieve the unique ID-key for a row?
  621. # [14:58] <speakman> Or should one go for IndexedDB instead?
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  631. # [15:11] <djazz> Web Workers + Web Audio API + JJ2 = http://djazz.mine.nu/apps/jj2soundboard/ ;)
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  633. # [15:13] <jetienne_> djazz: doesnt seem to load here. only a meter and a button
  634. # [15:13] <djazz> its 7mb it needs to download
  635. # [15:13] <djazz> i havent added a progress bar for that yet
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  639. # [15:18] <djazz> jetienne_: added a download meter
  640. # [15:18] <djazz> <meter>*
  641. # [15:19] <jetienne_> djazz: you need to make it much faster too load :)
  642. # [15:19] <jetienne_> but i least now i see it is loading
  643. # [15:19] <djazz> to parse or download?
  644. # [15:19] <Trisox> indeed
  645. # [15:19] <Trisox> 15%
  646. # [15:19] <jetienne_> djazz: to load
  647. # [15:20] <djazz> sorry, 0.5 Mbit/s upspeed
  648. # [15:20] <djazz> ;)
  649. # [15:20] <Trisox> ah
  650. # [15:20] <moo-_-> Jonadabe: thing with chrome frame installer is that it is painless
  651. # [15:20] <Trisox> <-- 50mbit download
  652. # [15:20] <moo-_-> Jonadabe: you click install, it downloads, browser restart and comes back to the same page
  653. # [15:20] <moo-_-> the user does not need to learn new browser
  654. # [15:21] <Trisox> 40%
  655. # [15:21] <djazz> a javascript web worker parses the file with zlib streams
  656. # [15:21] <moo-_-> and IE users are keen to install any add-ons for their browsers (hint: toolbars)
  657. # [15:21] <Trisox> ^^
  658. # [15:21] <Jonadabe> moo-_-: ok I understand that... Thanks.
  659. # [15:21] <djazz> reads the RIFF stuff, creates WAV files on the fly
  660. # [15:22] <djazz> <3 ArrayBuffers
  661. # [15:22] <moo-_-> Jonadabe: and Google provides ready Javascript integration which opens pop-up <iframe> where all action happens
  662. # [15:22] <moo-_-> the only thing you need to do is to say in your HTML "I want a better browser god damn it()"
  663. # [15:22] <Trisox> lol @ soundboard
  664. # [15:23] <djazz> it reads the anim/sound file for a game
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  666. # [15:23] <djazz> this file: http://www.jazz2online.com/wiki/J2A+File+Format
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  668. # [15:23] <Trisox> fart lol
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  671. # [15:24] <Trisox> this worms?
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  674. # [15:24] <djazz> no
  675. # [15:25] <djazz> sound 63-17 is unused in the game, many are
  676. # [15:25] <Trisox> ah :D
  677. # [15:26] <djazz> many of the LORISOUNDS should fit in a worms game atleast ;)
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  679. # [15:28] <Trisox> indeed
  680. # [15:28] <djazz> BlobBuilder :D
  681. # [15:28] * moo-_- has been using BlobBuilder
  682. # [15:28] <moo-_-> with all prefixes
  683. # [15:28] <djazz> all?
  684. # [15:28] <djazz> xD
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  686. # [15:28] <moo-_-> MozBlobBuilder
  687. # [15:28] <moo-_-> webkitBlobBuillder
  688. # [15:28] <moo-_-> and whatelse
  689. # [15:28] <djazz> WebKit*
  690. # [15:29] <djazz> when does it come prefix free?
  691. # [15:29] <moo-_-> the builder of blobs am I
  692. # [15:29] <djazz> blob the builder
  693. # [15:29] <moo-_-> http://ishtml5readyyet.com/
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  695. # [15:29] <djazz> websockets dont have prefix? workers dont have prefix? yadayada
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  700. # [15:31] <moo-_-> djazz: conformability is not exactly an adjective I'd use about Javascript APIs
  701. # [15:31] <moo-_-> at least there are so few APIs
  702. # [15:32] <moo-_-> otherwise I'd be PHP all over again
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  705. # [15:35] <djazz> is there a way to access the palette of an image with canvas or some js framework?
  706. # [15:35] <djazz> image object or arraybuffer
  707. # [15:35] <moo-_-> djazz: you can decode the image by hand
  708. # [15:35] <moo-_-> and read palette direclty out of binary
  709. # [15:35] <djazz> thought so
  710. # [15:35] <moo-_-> but not from canvas
  711. # [15:36] <djazz> how about color reduction?
  712. # [15:36] <moo-_-> the moment you Image() image it is converted to internal format
  713. # [15:36] <djazz> i have a palette, and want a true color image to fit the palette (nearest)
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  715. # [15:36] <moo-_-> you probably need to manipulate image data in plain arrays, not canvas
  716. # [15:37] <moo-_-> in fact, it could be easier
  717. # [15:37] <djazz> yeah..
  718. # [15:37] <djazz> inphp its easy, just use imageGD
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  720. # [15:38] <moo-_-> it's not technically in PHP if PHP uses native C library for it :)
  721. # [15:39] <djazz> yeah well
  722. # [15:39] <djazz> comes by default
  723. # [15:39] <djazz> same with zlib
  724. # [15:39] <djazz> browsers got zlib, but no js api for it
  725. # [15:40] <moo-_-> true
  726. # [15:40] <moo-_-> one day they will ;P
  727. # [15:41] <moo-_-> but at least Javascript has JIT :)
  728. # [15:41] <djazz> there is this, but idk how to compile and use it: http://code.google.com/p/naclports/source/browse/trunk/src/packages/scripts/zlib-1.2.3/?r=141
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  730. # [15:41] <djazz> NaCl
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  769. # [16:41] <Pomax> I'd like to point out that all browsers have zlib because they all understand png
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  771. # [16:42] <Pomax> you can piggyback compressed data on a png header, have the browser decode the data onto a canvas, then read the bytes from the image data array
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  774. # [16:44] <djazz> Pomax: what about compressing? putImageData and get image url?
  775. # [16:44] <Pomax> yup
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  796. # [17:12] <plombardi> Can anyone tell me when it is appropriate to use a <section> element? Im building a login-form right now. Would it be appropriate to wrap a <header><section>and<footer> inside of a <div> that contains the form. Inside the section is the login form itself?
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  809. # [17:31] <Pomax> plombardi, <section> is more for a section in the article-sense of a section. If you have a login form, the form is not a section of some larger article, it's the actual content.
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  811. # [17:32] <plombardi> So would it make more sense then to just wrap the form in a div and id it as "login-body" ?
  812. # [17:33] <Pomax> pretty much
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  816. # [17:38] <plombardi> Okie dokie, thanks :)
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  822. # [17:45] <jarek> when did "display: box" change to "display: flexbox"?
  823. # [17:45] <jarek> I thought that flexbox would be stable now :/
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  827. # [17:52] <jarek> do I need some additional flags to enable new flexbox in WebKit?
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  830. # [17:58] <jarek> nvm, it actually works in Chromium snapshot, at least I can do "display: -webkit-flexbox" and "-webkit-flex-flow: column"
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  890. # [19:37] <Pomax> shouldn't that be -webkit-box-flex?
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  985. # [22:14] <aaairc> i'm developing a web crawler in java, that i'm testing from my local computer. it seems that the website that I'm trying to crawl has begun to return a default throwaway page whenever my java crawler tries to visit a page... but if i visit the page from my browser it still works? does anyone know how the website might be doing this? ... and how i could get around it?
  986. # [22:14] <aaairc> looking at the pages robots.txt they allow all crawlers... my only mistake may have been that i wasn't rate limiting my crawler which i'm doing now
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  1019. # [22:54] <jetienne_> anybody knows a url minifier service which works in pure client ? aka i dont need a server
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  1023. # [23:10] <jetienne_> the answer was bitly :)
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  1025. # [23:11] <tantek_> jetienne_ - I've built a couple
  1026. # [23:11] <tantek_> they're domain specific
  1027. # [23:11] <tantek_> e.g. checkout http://asin.cc/
  1028. # [23:12] <jetienne_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1771397/jquery-on-the-fly-url-shortener this one works
  1029. # [23:12] <tantek_> for amazon products
  1030. # [23:12] <jetienne_> tantek_: nice design. direct to the point
  1031. # [23:16] <tantek_> thanks jetienne_!
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  1037. # [23:21] <Cokegod> can anyone here help me with web sockets in php?
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  1042. # [23:30] <yamahaalex> does anyone wish to look at a very short attempt to make a rectangle move on canvas with keyboard input.
  1043. # [23:30] <yamahaalex> and help me understand how to implement a gameloop to make this possible
  1044. # [23:30] <yamahaalex> http://jsfiddle.net/Ma3Ta/2/
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  1066. # [23:56] <Cokegod> can anyone here help me with web sockets in php?
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