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  19. # [00:40] <gdiz> hello everyone, does anyone know if there is a way to request additional space (beyond the 5MB) for localstorage?
  20. # [00:44] <slaininjektilo> why would you need that much space?
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  25. # [00:53] <gdiz> i'm trying to create a music database that stores locally (the "server" of this thing would be a minimal device) and it is a large db
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  63. # [02:13] <daleharvey> anyone seen a nice gradient generator in html / js?
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  118. # [04:01] <yamahaalex> anyone know how i can return the dimensions of a canvas rectangle
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  121. # [04:10] <yamahaalex> is anything like this possible
  122. # [04:10] <yamahaalex> var wall = ctx.fillRect (0, 100, 100, 1);
  123. # [04:10] <yamahaalex> alert(wall.x0);
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  139. # [05:07] <paul_irish> anyone have jshint settings they like
  140. # [05:07] <paul_irish> i just integrated https://github.com/Kronuz/SublimeLinter
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  148. # [05:52] <SrPx> any way to do real time video/phone calls using javascript and html5 only?
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  162. # [06:45] <paul_irish> SrPx: http://phono.com/
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  164. # [06:46] <SrPx> great.
  165. # [06:46] <SrPx> what about videos?
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  172. # [07:05] <paul_irish> SrPx: http://www.tokbox.com/ API
  173. # [07:05] <SrPx> great paul_irish thank you. how did you find those?
  174. # [07:07] <dr0id> till chrome 15, if you closed 10 tabs it used to show 10 tabs in recent closed tabs. with 16 that's not the case :/
  175. # [07:08] <paul_irish> SrPx: just know 'em.
  176. # [07:08] <paul_irish> dr0id: aw.
  177. # [07:08] <paul_irish> i use sessionbuddy
  178. # [07:08] <SrPx> ok ty!
  179. # [07:08] <tw2113> the Irish knows stuff
  180. # [07:09] <dr0id> does chrome support sessions, paul_irish ?
  181. # [07:09] <dr0id> didn't even know :P
  182. # [07:09] <paul_irish> dr0id: use session buddy
  183. # [07:09] <paul_irish> you can save 'em
  184. # [07:09] <paul_irish> and reload em
  185. # [07:09] <paul_irish> its great
  186. # [07:09] <dr0id> oh
  187. # [07:09] <dr0id> I'll try, thanks
  188. # [07:09] <dr0id> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/edacconmaakjimmfgnblocblbcdcpbko , right ?
  189. # [07:10] <paul_irish> bingo
  190. # [07:10] <dr0id> :)
  191. # [07:11] <paul_irish> http://www.google.com/nexus/#/tech-specs has cool canvas stuff i hear
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  243. # [09:27] <paul_irish> http://blog.mailchimp.com/the-email-person-at-amazon-web-services-is-really-really-excited/
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  250. # [09:39] <dpogue> Does jQuery handle IE's special CORS stuff?
  251. # [09:40] <dpogue> XDomainRequest
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  254. # [09:54] <yamahaalex> is it bad to make my game loop update every ms?
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  330. # [13:28] <djazz> <3 HTML5 http://youtu.be/zwpZVtzSLPs?hd=1
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  350. # [14:06] <Pomax> When Opera doesn't load JS that every other browser does, and it doesn't show any errors in dragonfly, how do you find out what it's not doing?
  351. # [14:06] <Pomax> the functions that are called exist (typing their name in the console shows their body text), but nothing seems to happen.
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  358. # [14:13] <Pomax> why can't browsers just clear the fscking cache when you tell them to reload.
  359. # [14:13] * Pomax stabs Opera a few times
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  365. # [14:22] <martndemus> haha, classic opera rookie mistake
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  371. # [14:30] <Pomax> more like constant annoyance.
  372. # [14:31] <martndemus> ctrl/cmd + r is your friend
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  375. # [14:31] <Pomax> right, because that's not what I've been doing.
  376. # [14:31] <Pomax> oh wait, it is ;)
  377. # [14:31] <Pomax> opera *refuses* to reload the file, it keeps showing the cached copy.
  378. # [14:31] <martndemus> then i dont see why opera isnt refreshing it cache?
  379. # [14:32] <martndemus> lol, never happens to me
  380. # [14:32] <martndemus> =D
  381. # [14:32] <Pomax> the only way to make it load the new copy is to add ?gibberishnonsensestring to the file
  382. # [14:32] <Pomax> then it'll show the real file, except that doesn't make it swap its cached copy for the argumentless URL of course
  383. # [14:33] <Pomax> so hurray, disfunctional browser is dysfuncational.
  384. # [14:34] <martndemus> shouldnt be happening though
  385. # [14:34] <Pomax> that's a wonderful statement.
  386. # [14:34] <martndemus> no seriously, opera shouldnt be doing that
  387. # [14:34] <Pomax> there's a lot that shouldn't be happening. This is what it does, and has done for many versions now.
  388. # [14:35] <martndemus> weird
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  466. # [16:49] <martndemus> http://jsfiddle.net/q4qfH/15/ <- 'jQuery's slideToggle' done with CSS Transition, still al little bit buggy
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  484. # [17:38] <zurdo13> hello
  485. # [17:38] <zurdo13> I'using text-transform: uppercase; in a input type text
  486. # [17:39] <zurdo13> but when i send with POST
  487. # [17:39] <zurdo13> it does n't work
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  490. # [17:43] <insin> when you use color: green, does it send green text? ;-)
  491. # [17:45] <Ms2ger> insin, yes, doesn't it for you? :)
  492. # [17:46] <Pomax> if I set rotate(180deg) I get upside down text. it's awesome.
  493. # [17:46] <Pomax> zurdo13: the CSS text transform only applies to what you see, not what the form element stores as value.
  494. # [17:47] <Pomax> if you want to ensure it's sent as upper case, you will need to bind an onchange or onkeytyped and make it set this.value = this.value.toUpperCase()
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  496. # [17:47] <Pomax> or bypass the form's posting, and manually call form.submit() after ensuring all your data conforms to the format it should be in.
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  498. # [17:48] <Pomax> that said, making it a client requirement is very fragile. your backend should be able to cope with strings in arbitrary case and cast it to uppercase before doing whatever it needs to do
  499. # [17:51] <zurdo13> then i have to try with js or php for the transform
  500. # [17:51] <zurdo13> ?
  501. # [17:51] <martndemus> yes
  502. # [17:51] <martndemus> css can only change the style of html, not the actual data
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  504. # [17:54] <zurdo13> thanks for the help I will try with js or php :-)
  505. # [17:54] <martndemus> go for php if you can
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  508. # [17:58] <Pomax> yeah, assume someone's going to mess things up (weird plugins, whatever) and bypass your client side input validation. always have validation at the backend too. especially for something like string formatting, using strtoupper() in PHP without restrictions at the client is guaranteed to work
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  514. # [18:04] <jarek> what's the difference between "console.error()" and "throw new Error()"?
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  517. # [18:05] <jarek> the second one stops the program execution, is that all?
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  519. # [18:08] <Ms2ger> Well, the former only logs something to the console, the latter throws an exception
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  521. # [18:09] <jarek> in which situation it would be preferable to stop program execution instead of just printing error in console?
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  523. # [18:10] <jarek> I mean if one module fails, I don't won't to crash the whole app
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  525. # [18:12] <Pomax> you answered your own question
  526. # [18:12] <Pomax> if the error causes your code to be an unknown state, you should throw, so that execution halts.
  527. # [18:13] <Pomax> throws can be caught, so you can throw, and then catch it at a point where letting the code continue to run makes it do so safely
  528. # [18:13] <martndemus> AAARRGH Opera is not playing along nice
  529. # [18:14] <Pomax> you will feel my pain, martndemus.
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  531. # [18:14] <martndemus> i spent the whole afternoon fiddling with csstransition and js in chrome
  532. # [18:14] <martndemus> it works in ff
  533. # [18:14] <martndemus> but opera is buggy like hell
  534. # [18:15] <Pomax> opera 11.x has issues with transform. It has a bug for rotation at the very least, that I'm aware of
  535. # [18:15] <Pomax> you can see if it works in the upcoming 12
  536. # [18:15] <Pomax> which has much better transform support
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  538. # [18:20] <martndemus> nope
  539. # [18:20] <martndemus> nothing changed
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  541. # [18:21] <martndemus> http://jsfiddle.net/q4qfH/20/ <- is what im talking about
  542. # [18:21] <Pomax> I shall have to check that out later. stealing someone's netbook atm
  543. # [18:21] <martndemus> =D
  544. # [18:25] <martndemus> ah
  545. # [18:25] <martndemus> my reset transition function isnt working in opera
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  547. # [18:29] <martndemus> Deerrr, Opera doesnt unset the longhands of Transition when i set the shortand to undefined
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  550. # [18:31] <martndemus> works again
  551. # [18:32] <martndemus> derr it unfixed itself again
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  554. # [18:37] <woden> What is the standard video format for html5? Thanks.
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  556. # [18:38] <martndemus> there isnt a single one yet
  557. # [18:38] <martndemus> i believe you got to serve both mp4 and webm to support all browsers that can do html5 video
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  559. # [18:39] <woden> martndemus, I'm using OggConvert to convert an .mp4
  560. # [18:39] <woden> It says "Video Format: Theora" and "File Format: WebM". Does that sound correct?
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  563. # [18:42] <jarek> woden: http://caniuse.com/#search=video
  564. # [18:42] <martndemus> Theora is ogg
  565. # [18:43] <jarek> woden: I would use webm and h264 and skip ogg
  566. # [18:43] <jarek> woden: because the browsers that support ogg, are also supporting webm
  567. # [18:44] <woden> jarek, I have this tool called oggconvert and it doesn't seem to have that option. I'm trying to convert an .mp4 into the HTML5 webm
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  569. # [18:45] <jarek> woden: it's based on gstreamer, right?
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  571. # [18:45] <jarek> woden: maybe you have to install additional gstreamer packages?
  572. # [18:45] <woden> jarek, Yes I believe so since I have gstreamer here
  573. # [18:45] <woden> I have them all installed
  574. # [18:46] <woden> I think this utility is geared toward vorbis/ogg/theora
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  576. # [18:47] <woden> What utility could I use to convert an .mp4 into a VP8 video with Vorbis audio in a Matroska container?
  577. # [18:47] <jarek> woden: do you have gstreamer-plugins-bad package? It usually is not shipped with distros by default
  578. # [18:47] <woden> jarek, Yes I specifically do have the -bad, the -ugly, etc.
  579. # [18:48] <jarek> woden: on Linux there is also Avidemux
  580. # [18:48] <woden> Okay
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  582. # [18:50] <woden> jarek, For pure audio, what is the best format/container?
  583. # [18:50] <woden> to be html5 and open-source
  584. # [18:50] <jarek> woden: I think mp3 is supported everywhere
  585. # [18:51] <woden> jarek, Yes but I was interested in open-source
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  587. # [18:52] <jarek> jarek: actually, mp3 might be not supported on Opera and Firefox yet, I can't find any current data
  588. # [18:53] <woden> jarek, Would it be Ogg Vorbis for audio then? I mean to be HTML5.
  589. # [18:54] <martndemus> bug report sent to opera
  590. # [18:54] <jarek> woden: ogg will definitely not be supported by IE. If I recall correctly Safari also can't play it
  591. # [18:54] <woden> jarek, Ogg works in IE with the directshow filters...
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  593. # [18:54] <woden> jarek, So what is the best open-source alternative to ogg vorbis or ogg theora?
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  595. # [18:55] <jarek> woden: aren't those open source already?
  596. # [18:55] <jarek> woden: webm is open standard
  597. # [18:56] <woden> jarek, WebM is the container correct? What audio and video codec go inside webM?
  598. # [18:56] <jarek> woden: no, it's a codec name
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  600. # [18:57] <jarek> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebM
  601. # [18:57] <woden> jarek, Oh yea, VP8 video plus Vorbis audio in a Matroska container, yes?
  602. # [18:57] <jarek> uhm... VP8 is codec name, WebM is container? :/
  603. # [18:58] <woden> Are you sure?
  604. # [18:58] <jarek> I have no idea :p
  605. # [18:58] <woden> I think webM is just the overall name for having VP8 video plus Vorbis audio in a Matroska container...
  606. # [18:58] <woden> anyone else can chime in please?
  607. # [18:59] <jarek> woden: yeah, this would make sense
  608. # [19:04] <woden> I can't seem to find a utility to convert into VP8 video
  609. # [19:05] <jarek> woden: I have just check OggConvert it has option for WebM
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  611. # [19:05] <jarek> s/check/checked
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  615. # [19:06] <woden> jarek, You are actually correct. So I'm converting it to WebM with VP8 video and Ogg audio.
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  623. # [19:14] <woden> What utility could I use to strip the audio out of a video file?
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  628. # [19:21] <paul_irish> ?g imagemagick for video
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  630. # [19:21] <paul_irish> no bot! :'(
  631. # [19:21] <paul_irish> i'm sure ffmpeg could do it
  632. # [19:22] <martndemus> paul_irish: http://jsfiddle.net/q4qfH/24/ the troubles of using CSS transition with JS
  633. # [19:22] <woden> paul_irish, what would the command be in ffmpeg? *scratches head*
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  635. # [19:24] <paul_irish> hahaha good luck
  636. # [19:24] <paul_irish> dunno
  637. # [19:24] <paul_irish> maybe SO has covered this ground
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  639. # [19:27] <woden> paul_irish, ffmpeg -i input.webm -an output.webm
  640. # [19:27] <woden> the -an removes audio I believe. Testing now.
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  694. # [22:01] <tharuin> heyho everyone, I hope this question is right here, I'm having trouble with my canvas not drawing smoothly ( It's absolutely not because of my pc )
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  731. # [23:30] <Aric> anyone know a good video converter for mac for free :P
  732. # [23:30] <Aric> recommendations so i dont waste any time
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