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  24. # [00:49] <thatryan> anyone do presentations here? What do you use for HTML based web slide decks?
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  29. # [00:55] <ryanseddon> deck.js, fathom.js are both good and i've used them both
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  32. # [00:56] <yamahaalex> what do you like better, bitbin.me, or arraybay.com
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  34. # [00:59] <thatryan> ryanseddon: thank you
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  58. # [01:52] <daleharvey> I use the html5 slides
  59. # [01:54] <daleharvey> http://code.google.com/p/html5slides/
  60. # [01:54] <daleharvey> is there still no decent way in html to have an arbitrarily sized list of elements that are evenly sized to its container?
  61. # [01:56] <addyosmani> thatryan: html5slides +1
  62. # [01:57] <addyosmani> only downside is that it doesn't really support properly printing/exporting to PDF of the slides. I'm working on a solution to that.
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  84. # [02:53] <jarek__> Hello
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  86. # [02:53] <jarek__> is it possible to implement a shim for element.dataset so that it would not convert everything to string?
  87. # [02:54] <jarek__> e.g.:
  88. # [02:54] <jarek__> > element.data = 10
  89. # [02:54] <hsbot> <hint>:1:9: parse error on input `data'
  90. # [02:55] <jarek__> > element.data === 10
  91. # [02:55] <hsbot> <hint>:1:9: parse error on input `data'
  92. # [02:55] <jarek__> >> true
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  100. # [03:04] <ryanseddon> jarek__: it only stores strings so you'd have to coerce the data manually
  101. # [03:04] <jarek__> ryanseddon: so the only way is to set the data with helper function?
  102. # [03:04] <jarek__> that's not as elegant as using direct assignment
  103. # [03:05] <ryanseddon> or set JSON and parse it
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  105. # [03:06] <jarek__> ryanseddon: but I need to access data like this:
  106. # [03:06] <jarek__> element.data.isActive === 10
  107. # [03:06] <jarek__> not like this:
  108. # [03:06] <jarek__> element.data.get('isActive') === 10
  109. # [03:07] <jarek__> I suspect this could be doable with ES6 proxies
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  159. # [04:52] <Aric> has anyone used the Sublime HTML5 video stuff?
  160. # [04:52] <Aric> I got the free api key and used the js they gave me
  161. # [04:53] <Aric> it says to use <a class='sublime'>Blah</a> to do lightbox videos and when i use their plugin it chnages the class to sulimed
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  170. # [05:28] <EricInBNE> hey guys I have created a little self-contained html file to debug HTML5 postMessage() here http://pastie.org/3038964
  171. # [05:28] <EricInBNE> unfortunately i dont think its receiving the messages from my frame
  172. # [05:29] <EricInBNE> any diahreaas?
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  273. # [10:09] <speakman> anyone familiar with IndexedDB?
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  276. # [10:10] <speakman> or; should IndexedDB be used in prior to WebSQL?
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  278. # [10:11] <shwetank> websql as a standard is in impasse, and mozilla and IE have no plans to implement it .... but it is availavle on chrome, opera, safari, ios, native android browser (i think) and opera mobile
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  303. # [10:58] <EricInBNE> hey all, anyone know why i cant postMessage from child to parent? http://pastie.org/3039893 ? Here is an example url to test with that works: joshfraser.com/code/postmessage/child.html
  304. # [11:00] <EricInBNE> my custom written frames dont work either in the child->parent direction but they do in the converse.
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  317. # [11:14] <edwinjm> EricInBNE: on line 16, you use ifrm.postMessage, but I don't see ifrm defined.
  318. # [11:21] <EricInBNE> edwinjm, on line 49. Im still checking but I think that chrome swallows the event if you have too many events flying around.
  319. # [11:21] <EricInBNE> I have a child frame that is sending messages on a loop and the parent is catching it now
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  321. # [11:24] <edwinjm> a loop? what kind of loop? You probably want to use setInterval or setTimeout
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  323. # [11:25] <EricInBNE> yep setInterval
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  353. # [12:28] <txm> Hello. I need to develop a single page for mobile devices. The design is to have a single background image. Do I load the page with a small image, then use JS to detect the browser/screen, and then load a new image to fit?
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  357. # [12:33] <Moo-_-> txm: you can use background image centering / stretch with CSS3
  358. # [12:34] <txm> Thanks Moo-_- so I load the same image for my crappy Samsung galaxy Mini with a small screen that my boss will see on his expensive flashy pid2 with a large screen?
  359. # [12:35] <txm> I guess it's just a case of use as small an image as you can get away with.
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  362. # [12:44] <`Paul`> txm: try using http://adaptive-images.com/
  363. # [12:47] <txm> thanks `Paul`
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  372. # [13:17] <SoulRaven> is it posibile to hide the scrollbar from a dropdown menu?
  373. # [13:17] <SoulRaven> http://jsfiddle.net/zwGXJ/
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  586. # [15:42] <webroasters> hi guys. This is a pretty basic question. I know you can do <article></article>, and there's a list of tag names that have been prescribed. However, is it possible to create custom tag names, like <mythingie></mythingie>??
  587. # [15:44] <Pomax> no, html5 is not xhtml
  588. # [15:45] <Pomax> you can add classes for custom roles, but you can't invent new tag names.
  589. # [15:46] <webroasters> ok that's what I thought
  590. # [15:47] <webroasters> that's what I'm reading as well. i appreciate it
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  595. # [15:50] <Pomax> martndemus, I solved my opera problem by turning off caching entirely. solved yours?
  596. # [15:50] <martndemus> yeah :)
  597. # [15:51] <Pomax> we are winner.
  598. # [15:51] <martndemus> sent a bug report on the not so standard way of handling transitions with dom etc though
  599. # [15:51] <Pomax> nice.
  600. # [15:51] <Pomax> with some luck it gets fixed before v12
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  603. # [15:51] <Aric> Pomax: couldn't you create tags similarly to how html5shiv does
  604. # [15:51] <Aric> and then use those tag names?>
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  606. # [15:52] <Pomax> Aric, you could, but it would be really weird.
  607. # [15:52] <Aric> tru
  608. # [15:52] <Pomax> you might as well use some js to transfrom your <lolcat> elements into <div class="lolcat"> instead
  609. # [15:52] <Pomax> since you'll be relying on JS for your tags
  610. # [15:53] <Pomax> oh nice, Opera fixed their onerror bug for svg images.
  611. # [15:53] <Aric> I know of templating engines that use something like
  612. # [15:53] <Aric> <box>content in the box</box>
  613. # [15:53] <Aric> and then they transform it etc
  614. # [15:53] * Pomax removes the browser-version-based error suppression for that from his script
  615. # [15:53] <Aric> :/ could do that in PHP or whatever
  616. # [15:53] <Pomax> yeah, but they do that server side
  617. # [15:54] <Pomax> that's perfectly fine, the data is normal html when it hits the client that way, even though your CMS shows something else.
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  619. # [16:00] <webroasters> question. what's the hgroup tag for?
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  621. # [16:00] <Pomax> for grouping seveeral <h...> tags
  622. # [16:01] <webroasters> you mean h1, h2, etc., or do you mean <header>?
  623. # [16:01] <Pomax> for instance, <hgroup><h1>The world at large<h1><h2>or: how stuff goes wrong so often</h2><h3>A story by the sock puppet in my closet</h3></hgroup>
  624. # [16:01] <martndemus> h1,h2 etc
  625. # [16:01] <webroasters> ah
  626. # [16:01] <webroasters> ok, thx
  627. # [16:01] <Pomax> yeah, <h<num>> elements.
  628. # [16:01] <Pomax> headings, not headers =)
  629. # [16:01] <webroasters> right, i understand
  630. # [16:02] <Pomax> the idea behind it was to allow semantic parsers to disregard subsequent headings in hgroups, so you don't index information on a huge block of secondary headings
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  634. # [16:03] <webroasters> oh ok. thx, i appreciate that explanation.
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  636. # [16:04] <webroasters> the only other 2 i have a quesiton about is mark and time. I'm assuming time is where you put something like "posted on february 2"..?
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  639. # [16:05] <Pomax> <time> is for anything that represents a date time and should be recognised as such
  640. # [16:06] <webroasters> I figured as much.. and <mark>?
  641. # [16:06] <martndemus> <mark> is to mark a piece of text
  642. # [16:07] <webroasters> ok, thx. i appreciate it
  643. # [16:07] <Pomax> think of it as a semantic highlight marker
  644. # [16:07] <martndemus> yeah
  645. # [16:07] <webroasters> ok.. fantastic. thanks guys, i do apreciate it
  646. # [16:07] <martndemus> one use case for it would be syntax highlighting
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  665. # [16:30] <Pomax> what in the...
  666. # [16:30] <Pomax> Opera no longer triggers keyup for the down cursor key in text fields =P
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  739. # [18:22] <jarek> is there a way to stop execution of all scripts inside iframe?
  740. # [18:22] <jarek> and resume them later?
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  747. # [18:26] <jarek> there is https://developer.mozilla.org/en/DOM/Using_the_Page_Visibility_API
  748. # [18:26] <jarek> but I want to be 100% sure that there is no script running
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  761. # [18:44] <Pomax> pretty sure that violates the "the user calls the shot" concept
  762. # [18:44] <Pomax> you could try to make it work without resorting to iframe
  763. # [18:45] <Pomax> alternatively, ajax-get the content for the iframe, strip all scripts, then load THAT into the iframe instead
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  772. # [19:04] <jarek> I would like to stop the scripts inside iframe just for a while
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  774. # [19:04] <jarek> so that it does not block the ui in parent node
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  776. # [19:05] <jarek> reloading the iframe with scripts stripped would require too much overhead
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  781. # [19:10] <jarek> why browsers don't use separate process for rendering iframes?
  782. # [19:10] <Pomax> don't they?
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  785. # [19:10] <Pomax> does chrome deal with it in the same process?
  786. # [19:10] <jarek> Pomax: no, one heavy iframe locks the whole UI :/
  787. # [19:11] <Pomax> interesting.
  788. # [19:12] <jarek> no, wait...
  789. # [19:12] <jarek> I'm actually unable to freeze it completely, but I can feel the slowdown
  790. # [19:13] <jarek> e.g. CSS animations are no longer smooth
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  794. # [19:21] <jarek> great, they are working on that: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=99379
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  875. # [21:31] <jetienne_> paul_irish: hey, im doing a boiler plate for three.js. can i borrow http://html5boilerplate.com/ definition of what is a boilerplate ?
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  877. # [21:32] <divya> jetienne_: you mean the words?
  878. # [21:33] <divya> jetienne_: like "A rock-solid default for three.js awesome."?
  879. # [21:33] <jetienne_> divya: yep, well part of the "I'm new here: plz explain why it's so awesome, first."
  880. # [21:33] <jetienne_> divya: something close... i dunno exactly, i will write it tomorrow
  881. # [21:34] <jetienne_> divya: you are the opera author correct ?
  882. # [21:34] <divya> what is opera author :s
  883. # [21:34] <jetienne_> http://nimbupani.com/ <- her/you ? :)
  884. # [21:34] <jetienne_> divya: sorry im bad with memorizing names
  885. # [21:35] <jetienne_> divya: i did watch your 2 video on the subject. 15 and 1h ones
  886. # [21:35] <divya> jetienne_: yes that is me :)
  887. # [21:35] <divya> jetienne_: i would appreciate if you can just pastie the final words, just to make sure it does not appear too similar or like anything to do with h5bp.
  888. # [21:35] <martndemus> I like how developper relations people get the coolest titles
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  890. # [21:36] <divya> matjas / necolas / shichuan / paul_irish all can be pinged about it too jetienne_
  891. # [21:36] <rhelic> Martijnc: I once worked at a place whom always wanted to pretend "we don't have developers in house" so any dev was hired as a "jr database admin"
  892. # [21:36] <jetienne_> divya: oh yep dont worry, i will give ownership and all
  893. # [21:36] <divya> jetienne_: o no no its not about that :P
  894. # [21:36] <rhelic> Martijnc: it was a company that owned hospitals & such
  895. # [21:37] <martndemus> =D
  896. # [21:37] <jetienne_> one of my title was "evil genius" one :)
  897. # [21:37] <martndemus> Christainn heilman his title is the best
  898. # [21:37] <divya> jetienne_: just dont want people to assume the projects are under the same banner :D
  899. # [21:37] <divya> i am sure you will edit it well enough to make that distinction jetienne_
  900. # [21:38] <jetienne_> divya: oh ok, dont worry about it. will do
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  924. # [22:21] <martndemus> dammit, its way to addictive to keep staring to the spinning loading wheel i just added =D
  925. # [22:21] <martndemus> it spins
  926. # [22:21] <martndemus> and spins
  927. # [22:21] <martndemus> and spins
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  942. # [22:50] <philihp> martndemus, that's what the engineers of Real Player thought with the buffering hourglass.
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  945. # [22:53] <Jon47> lol
  946. # [22:53] <Jon47> this is the loading gif i use: http://brokendisk.com/media/hifi/busy.gif
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  950. # [22:55] <martndemus> philihp: =D
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  952. # [22:57] <philihp> i think it's funny how animated loading images used to be things that told you "hey, this program hasn't crashed, it's just taking a while".
  953. # [22:57] <philihp> now, they're just images that make the user feel better.
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  957. # [23:03] <divya> hey everyone. me, paul_irish, & a few others (who are offline here) are working on getting this site up http://h5bp.github.com/html5please/ would really appreciate contribution to creating more data about more features, here: https://github.com/h5bp/html5please/tree/master/posts/ keep it under your hat, we will be launching this soon.
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  965. # [23:14] <JonathanNeal> hi divya
  966. # [23:14] <JonathanNeal> did you already post it here?
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  969. # [23:15] <Pomax> if by it you mean html5please, yes
  970. # [23:15] <JonathanNeal> Sweet.
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  972. # [23:16] <JonathanNeal> divya: more ux feedback, when attempting to expand an item, sometimes i am clicking on the light-colored bar when I mean to click the (+) sign.
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  975. # [23:20] <JonathanNeal> I'm getting a mis-shapen outline on the quick search. I was able to remove it with outline: 0 since outline-radius and -webkit-outline-radius don't work.
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  998. # [23:51] <BrianBlakely> 'ello all
  999. # [23:51] <BrianBlakely> I hope this day's HTML finds you well
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  1002. # [23:53] <divya> thnx JonathanNeal
  1003. # [23:55] * Quits: tw2113 (~tw2113@fedora/tw2113) (Quit: Nice Scotty, now beam my clothes up too!)
  1004. # Session Close: Tue Dec 20 00:00:00 2011

The end :)