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  10. # [00:07] <nullucas> random question: why is there the need to have both HTML and XHTML? To a noob like me they sound too similar to each other to justify both of them...
  11. # [00:08] <divya> nullucas: no there is no need
  12. # [00:08] <divya> just use html
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  17. # [00:15] <tw2113> xhtml is going to the history books
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  23. # [00:22] <tw2113> hey ryanseddon....ya know, i can see myself getting used to sublime pretty easy
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  50. # [00:39] <ryanseddon> tw2113: yeah it's pretty awesome plus the plugin scene is exploding with lots of super useful stuff
  51. # [00:42] <tw2113> i wonder how long i could go without a license for it
  52. # [00:45] <ryanseddon> it never expires but it's the best $59 i spent, if you get the dev version it updates atleast once a day
  53. # [00:45] <tw2113> i can handle living on the edge like that
  54. # [00:46] <tw2113> kind of used to regular updates via fedora OS and the dev channels for Firefox
  55. # [00:46] <ryanseddon> dev won't update unless you buy a license, i meant the dev build update was a positive thing
  56. # [00:46] <tw2113> ah
  57. # [00:47] <tw2113> then i can manually update
  58. # [00:47] <ryanseddon> i used my dirty ad money from my site to pay for it
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  131. # [03:25] <NarfZoid> any h5bp peeps in here? I was wondering if the index.html file has an error or if I just don't know something about it. Check line #49! http://pastebin.com/b45zWZKu
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  133. # [03:25] <NarfZoid> once again on pastebin http://pastebin.com/b45zWZKu
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  135. # [03:25] <NarfZoid> line 49 the URL is missing http: ???
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  159. # [04:34] <ryanseddon> NarfZoid: that's so it'll work for http and https
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  161. # [04:35] <ryanseddon> depending which protocol the browser is currently in the js file will use the right one so you don't get any mixed content messages
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  165. # [04:38] <NarfZoid> ryanseddon: so basically it's okay the way it is
  166. # [04:38] <ryanseddon> yes
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  168. # [04:38] <NarfZoid> cool. thanks!
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  324. # [10:56] <Alexander_> Somebody that has experience using globalCompositeOperation = "destination-in"? It doesn't work with external images but works fine with a drawn rectangle.
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  330. # [11:02] <Pomax> you can't do pixel manipulation for external images.
  331. # [11:02] <Pomax> it's a security feature.
  332. # [11:04] <Alexander_> ok so is there anyway to do it? What I am trying to do is having a circle move on top of a hidden image and only show the image inside the circle
  333. # [11:09] <Pomax> you can use .clip
  334. # [11:09] <Pomax> https://developer.mozilla.org/samples/canvas-tutorial/6_2_canvas_clipping.html
  335. # [11:11] <Alexander_> ok and that will work with my external image?
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  342. # [11:31] <Alexander_> no answer..
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  348. # [11:38] <Alexander_> Pomax thank you, got it to work now
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  353. # [11:39] <Moo-_-> Alexander_: CORS images
  354. # [11:39] <Moo-_-> supported in the latest browser
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  356. # [11:39] <Moo-_-> search CORS and canvas taint
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  358. # [11:40] <Moo-_-> special HTTP headers mark external images safe
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  360. # [11:42] <Pomax> sorry, I'm currently rolling on the floor in pain after a molar decided that raw, unadulterated pain to the jaw bone was the best pre-christmas gift
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  362. # [11:43] <Pomax> but you're in good hands with Moo-_-
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  364. # [11:43] <Moo-_-> my hairy Finnish shovels
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  367. # [11:44] <Pomax> the bigger they are, the more they can hold.
  368. # [11:44] <Pomax> 2 hours till emergency dentist appt. not soon enough
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  370. # [11:45] <Moo-_-> Pomax: :<
  371. # [11:45] <Moo-_-> or
  372. # [11:45] <Moo-_-> :E
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  374. # [11:45] <Pomax> thank god I'm not in Canada atm.
  375. # [11:46] <Pomax> it's nowhere near as well organised as the Netherland
  376. # [11:46] <Pomax> +s
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  382. # [11:58] <Alexander_> Moo-_- I'm working locally.. am loading the image src like this: ext_img.src = "urbani.jpg"
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  384. # [12:00] <Moo-_-> Alexander_: then your issue is probably different
  385. # [12:03] <Alexander_> Moo-_- yeah
  386. # [12:04] <Moo-_-> does IOS 5 allow zoom access from Javascript yet?
  387. # [12:04] <Moo-_-> I have this nasty issue that iPad does zooming when rotated
  388. # [12:04] <Moo-_-> and Apple's heurestic don't get it right
  389. # [12:04] <Alexander_> Pomax when I changed from ctx.fill(); and ctx.closePath(); to ctx.clip(); it is only showing my image within the circle, but when I am animating the circle - moving it to another position by changing it's x and y values it does no longer work. Does not clip(); support this?
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  393. # [12:09] <Alexander_> What I need to do is to animate the clip() circle on top of the image
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  418. # [12:36] <niftylettuce_> boom. html5 boilerplate version-control/cache-busting in Node.js/Express :D
  419. # [12:36] <niftylettuce_> https://github.com/niftylettuce/express-cachebuster
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  464. # [13:41] <Alexander_> how can I change the clip() area and make it move?
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  484. # [14:19] <ravenzz> hi
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  486. # [14:20] <ravenzz> is there a way to do this http://jsfiddle.net/fVDFn/ in a different way? (eg. placeholder)
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  495. # [14:39] <Moo-_-> ravenzz: a good question
  496. # [14:39] <Moo-_-> but probably only sad answers :(
  497. # [14:40] <xec> http://jsfiddle.net/fVDFn/1/
  498. # [14:41] <ravenzz> xec yep that sucks as well
  499. # [14:41] <ravenzz> :)
  500. # [14:41] <xec> yep, just thought it was funny that i was allowed to have something disabled and selected :)
  501. # [14:41] <ravenzz> i think the solution is so simple. why nobody has implemented that yet?
  502. # [14:42] <xec> what exactly are you after?
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  504. # [14:42] <Moo-_-> xec: having label on <select> saying "choose from here"
  505. # [14:42] <Moo-_-> as the default choice
  506. # [14:42] <xec> well, i did that, didnt i
  507. # [14:43] <Moo-_-> xec: yes but it's option
  508. # [14:43] <Moo-_-> you should have something not option
  509. # [14:43] <Moo-_-> only label
  510. # [14:43] <Moo-_-> placeholder
  511. # [14:43] <Moo-_-> etc.
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  513. # [14:44] <xec> yeah i see your point
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  515. # [14:46] <ravenzz> something like this http://jsfiddle.net/j6KTu/
  516. # [14:46] <ravenzz> less bugged btw
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  518. # [14:48] <ravenzz> http://jsfiddle.net/j6KTu/1/ you get it
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  521. # [14:51] <xec> yeah, maybe use mousedown rather than click, and a min-width greater than the placeholder text on select
  522. # [14:51] <xec> still not entirely smooth though http://jsfiddle.net/j6KTu/2/
  523. # [14:51] <ravenzz> eh that was just a proof of concept. i'd like to have that natively (in html)
  524. # [14:52] <xec> shit out of luck i think :)
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  527. # [14:55] <dr0id> placeholder on select dropdown will be weird and irritating
  528. # [14:55] <ravenzz> having disabled options is weird and irritating
  529. # [14:55] <ravenzz> they are totally useless
  530. # [14:56] <ravenzz> you are going to use labels if you want to add a label ehe
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  565. # [15:42] <mantas322> Hello
  566. # [15:43] <mantas322> im looking for a general overview on how local storage works, and what its capabilities and limitations are
  567. # [15:43] <mantas322> I'm trying to figure out if something is possible
  568. # [15:43] <mantas322> for example
  569. # [15:45] <mantas322> view a website with multiple pages.... if user clicks a button "Save for Offline" that particular page is now cached or saved in local storage
  570. # [15:45] <mantas322> so the user can view it offline now
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  576. # [15:58] <mantas322> okay so i've done some reading and I think this might be doable
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  578. # [15:59] <mantas322> so to start with something basic im goign to try to save a webpage with some images into local storage ansd attempt to view it offline
  579. # [15:59] <mantas322> somehow....
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  585. # [16:07] <matijsb> http://www.html5rocks.com/en/mobile/workingoffthegrid.html might be of help maybe?
  586. # [16:07] <mantas322> I was going to read that after some other misc work
  587. # [16:07] <mantas322> thanks
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  590. # [16:09] <mantas322> is this room typically this quiet?
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  598. # [16:23] <divya> depends
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  612. # [16:33] <jarek> which app are you using for authoring SVG files?
  613. # [16:34] <jarek> Inkscape is a bit sluggish, are there any alternatives besides Illustrator and SVGEdit?
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  616. # [16:36] <BrianBlakely1> jarek: Not in my experience. I use Illustrator.
  617. # [16:36] <jarek> BrianBlakely1: both Inkscape and Illustrator are generating awful code :/
  618. # [16:37] <BrianBlakely1> \nick BrianBlakely
  619. # [16:37] <BrianBlakely1> hmm
  620. # [16:37] <jarek> is there any hope that next release of Expression Design will support SVG?
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  622. # [16:37] <jarek> all browsers are supporting SVG now, but we have no tools
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  628. # [16:52] <BrianBlakely> jarek: I'd say don't worry about the code. Does SVG markup really need to be maintainable?
  629. # [16:53] <BrianBlakely> If SVG finally picks up steam, I'm sure the quality of the output will be prioritized in the future by tool vendors.
  630. # [16:53] <jarek> BrianBlakely: yes, it has if you are going to script it
  631. # [16:55] <jarek> I especially like the CSS code generated by Inkscape:
  632. # [16:55] <jarek> "height:80.00000119000000609%"
  633. # [16:56] <BrianBlakely> jarek: If you are going to script generated SVG? Buzzah?
  634. # [16:57] <jarek> BrianBlakely: one of the main purposes of SVG is scriptability
  635. # [16:57] <BrianBlakely> Right
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  637. # [16:58] <jarek> BrianBlakely: it's not like HTML where you could code things manually. E.g. drawing a complex path would take a lot of time
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  639. # [16:58] <shepazu> jarek: yeah, unfortunately, I end up doing a lot of my SVG "drawing" by hand-coding
  640. # [16:59] <jarek> shepazu: so do I, because authoring tools are generating mess
  641. # [16:59] <BrianBlakely> Right, so you export your mailbox or whatever from Illustrator and call it a day
  642. # [16:59] <shepazu> jarek: are you aware of the Scour tool from JEff Schiller?
  643. # [16:59] <shepazu> that really helps clean up output from Inkscape or Illustator
  644. # [16:59] <jarek> shepazu: is it SVG beautifier?
  645. # [16:59] <BrianBlakely> I find using compound paths generated in Illustrator to slot quite nicely into Raphaël
  646. # [17:00] <jarek> shepazu: does it fix the coordinate system?
  647. # [17:00] <shepazu> jarek: more than just a tidy tool
  648. # [17:00] <shepazu> jarek: how do you mean?
  649. # [17:00] <jarek> shepazu: Inkscape-generated groups have awkward transforms such as translate(-1878.682,-1983.51432)
  650. # [17:01] <shepazu> oh, right
  651. # [17:01] <plh_> jarek, note that there is an option somewhere within inkscape to restrict the number of decimals
  652. # [17:01] <shepazu> yeah, that really sucks
  653. # [17:01] <shepazu> it's more than just the float precision, plh_
  654. # [17:01] <shepazu> it does funky stuff with transforms, and with gradient chains, and all sorts of foulness
  655. # [17:02] <shepazu> jarek: I don't recall if that made it into scour, but it should be able to be added
  656. # [17:02] <shepazu> I've noticed that problem as well
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  659. # [17:03] <jarek> it also sucks that both Inkscape and Illustrator are using custom renderers
  660. # [17:03] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish_: i think the html5shiv is final.
  661. # [17:03] <jarek> which are far behind WebKit in standards compliance
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  663. # [17:03] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish_: unless there's something else you or remy want before plugging it in to your own repos.
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  674. # [17:17] <BrianBlakely> Switched my IRC client from Adium to http://webchat.freenode.net/
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  677. # [17:17] <BrianBlakely> I imagine it does not leverage the Notifications API, but we'll see how it goes anyway
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  682. # [17:24] <Moo-_-> BrianBlakely: switch to http://quassel-irc.org/
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  691. # [17:37] <BrianBlakely> Moo-_-: I was happy with Adium, but I wanted to switch to a standards-based client
  692. # [17:37] <BrianBlakely> I'm trying to eventually switch similarly for all applications
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  697. # [17:40] <BrianBlakely> However, I haven't been very successful… working on FTP, SVN, and even Git projects are all better experiences outside of the browser
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  699. # [17:41] <BrianBlakely> The same goes for Photoshop, and coding (Cloud9 IDE has a fine editor, but other huge problems)
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  709. # [17:54] <JonathanNeal> hello!
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  741. # [18:26] <BrianBlakely> https://twitter.com/brianblakely/status/149537826785067008
  742. # [18:26] <socialhapy> ★ Tweet from brianblakely: Awesome, my CSS Filters demo finally works near-perfectly in Webkit Nightly and Chrome Canary: http://t.co/QmozCJVd Nice @smfr!!! ★ http://bit.ly/tLNXzh
  743. # [18:26] <BrianBlakely> I'm just staring in awe
  744. # [18:27] <BrianBlakely> I can't believe this is now possible
  745. # [18:27] <BrianBlakely> Skinning a site for various color schemes won't be laborious anymore!
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  873. # [21:39] <Pomax> BrianBlakely, that's what I made cssmacros.js for, too - althoug that doesn't do hue rotations =)
  874. # [21:41] <JonathanNeal> Pomax: how's your macro file doing, any new features in the last few weeks?
  875. # [21:43] <Pomax> just globals, last week
  876. # [21:43] <Pomax> @global-macros {...} and then you can use whichever macro declared in that in any style shee.
  877. # [21:43] <Pomax> *stylesheet
  878. # [21:43] <Pomax> remote desktop over slow internet = bestest typing evar
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  887. # [21:59] <BrianBlakely> tw2113: It's the hottest editor on the block right now - so feel safe!
  888. # [22:01] <tw2113> i called it a "savings account" purchase
  889. # [22:04] <Antonis> how do you style html5 tags cause they drive me crazy?!
  890. # [22:05] <Pomax> um... with css? =)
  891. # [22:05] <tw2113> the same way you style other ones
  892. # [22:05] <Pomax> are you trying to do something specific that's not working?
  893. # [22:05] <tw2113> div { border: solid blue 1px; } nav { border: solid red 2px; }
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  897. # [22:07] <Antonis> by html5 tags I mean <footer></footer> or <header></header> etc. do I have to assign a class or id to them or could I just use footer { background-color: #000000; } ?
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  899. # [22:07] <tw2113> all of the above
  900. # [22:07] <tw2113> you can target just "footer"
  901. # [22:07] <tw2113> or you can do classes etc
  902. # [22:07] <Pomax> you don't "have" to anything, they work exactly the same as any other tag
  903. # [22:07] <Antonis> well it doesn't :\
  904. # [22:08] <Pomax> "footer { ... }" for tag based styling, ".class {...}" with <foot class="class"> for class based styling
  905. # [22:08] <tw2113> what browser?
  906. # [22:08] <Pomax> bet you it does, but something else is interfering.
  907. # [22:08] <Pomax> fire up your dev tools, or firebug, or dragonfly, and check if there are any CSS errors
  908. # [22:08] <Pomax> a missing semi-colon, or a typo, etc.
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  912. # [22:12] <BrianBlakely> Antonis: Are you using Internet Explorer?
  913. # [22:12] <Antonis> BrianBlakely, haven't used IE in 4-5 years.. :P
  914. # [22:13] <Antonis> I found the problem :\
  915. # [22:13] <Pomax> if only everyone was like you
  916. # [22:13] <Pomax> ah?
  917. # [22:13] <BrianBlakely> Antonis: IE8 and below do not understand new elements, and won't style them without a JavaScript shim
  918. # [22:13] <BrianBlakely> oh
  919. # [22:13] <Antonis> I am trying to create a wordpress theme.. and I just found out that my css file isn't being read..
  920. # [22:13] <Antonis> :p
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  922. # [22:14] <Pomax> that would do it =P
  923. # [22:14] <Antonis> haha
  924. # [22:14] <martndemus> By writing my own jQuery like mini lib, i just learned a ton about how jQuery works and how JavaScript works, definitely recommend doing such shit once in your life
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  926. # [22:15] <Pomax> javascript is a journey of discovery. some discoveries really cool. others really confusing =P
  927. # [22:15] <martndemus> it sure is
  928. # [22:16] <martndemus> but it gets better and better imo
  929. # [22:16] <Pomax> undeniably
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  931. # [22:17] <Antonis> I want to find time to learn how to use jquery..
  932. # [22:17] <Pomax> it's not as hard as it sounds
  933. # [22:17] <Pomax> the main thing to learn is the concept of "passing a function to do something"
  934. # [22:17] <Pomax> once you understand that, it's all just superconvenient chaining.
  935. # [22:18] <Pomax> the general idea is $('element selectors').dosomething({param: someval, ifyouneedit: ornot}, function() { /* what do we do when this finishes running? */});
  936. # [22:19] <Pomax> so you select a set of elements, then you call a function on the entire set, with optional parameters, and optional function that gets triggered when everything is done.
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  938. # [22:20] <martndemus> The one that shocked me the most was $(function) =D
  939. # [22:20] <Antonis> sounds easy when you describe it that way but each time I tried to actually read through the documentation I got tired after 15mins or something.. guess I lack motivation
  940. # [22:20] <Pomax> and to make life easier there's also the "each" function, which applies your custom function to every element in the set, so $('h1').each(function() { /* some complicated thing that can't be done as series of jquery functions here */ });
  941. # [22:20] <Pomax> start small. just use it for some dynamic css, simple collapsable div set, etc. at first
  942. # [22:21] <Pomax> then simply learn what you need to do what you want every time you go "hm, I wonder if I can also make it do ..."
  943. # [22:21] <Antonis> I will try to create a navigation menu for my theme and start there I guess
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  945. # [22:21] <Pomax> play around with it on jsfiddle.net, too
  946. # [22:22] <Pomax> excellent sandbox for that kind of thing
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  948. # [22:25] <Antonis> thanks I will look in to it
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  950. # [22:29] <Pomax> I still need to figure out what to do with http://jsfiddle.net/w4xyz/6
  951. # [22:29] <Pomax> it's amsuing, but I'm having a hard time figuring out what its practical use could be
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  954. # [22:30] <Pomax> *amusing
  955. # [22:31] <martndemus> i know of one
  956. # [22:31] <martndemus> when u have a sidebar of linjks
  957. # [22:31] <martndemus> but then the viewport get small (mobile, pads)
  958. # [22:31] <Pomax> yeah that's what I initially made it for, but as a transition it gets really annoying after the first few times
  959. # [22:31] <martndemus> =D
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  962. # [22:32] <Pomax> "oh cool, check it out... okay, still neat, but it's taking too long... oh ffs" =P
  963. # [22:32] <martndemus> did this yesterday
  964. # [22:32] <martndemus> propably less impressive though
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  966. # [22:32] <martndemus> http://jsfiddle.net/s9sdz/3/
  967. # [22:33] <Pomax> webgl is awesome cool
  968. # [22:34] <martndemus> its pretty much webgl's hello world example combined with mouse tracking
  969. # [22:34] <Pomax> if there is one program I never want to see again... >_>
  970. # [22:34] <martndemus> =D
  971. # [22:34] <Pomax> "look our language can print text!", that's fantastic, and also a function I will likely never, ever, use.
  972. # [22:35] <martndemus> well
  973. # [22:35] <martndemus> webgl's hello world example must be the coolest one ever ;)
  974. # [22:35] <martndemus> it renders a rotating square
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  976. # [22:37] <Pomax> there's maelbolg's hello world program, which required a computer to actually write it because humans couldn't. so that's kind of cool I guess
  977. # [22:38] <Pomax> sorry, malbolge
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