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  46. # [01:04] <Cowell> Hi, I have been thinking about this for a while, but at what point do you stop using section but use div instead? Semantically speaking, this would be when there is no clear way to describe the content it holds. I do however wonder if there's any point in having several section levels within one section ...
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  48. # [01:06] <Cowell> for example, in my current project I have several <section> boxes on my home page (each of them basically refers to certain pages of the webpage). Each of these sections have a <h2> in them (title of the box) and the box also has a <section> for its content. There are 2 boxes however that go 1 level deeper and split the content box into multiple parts, would <section> still be appropriate for this, or not?
  49. # [01:06] <divya> use section or article
  50. # [01:07] <divya> or div
  51. # [01:07] <Cowell> yeah well, thanks for stating the obvious :p
  52. # [01:08] <Cowell> my question was more in the lines of: to what extent are semantics applicable (<section>) when using several iterations of semantics within one <section>
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  55. # [01:09] <Cowell> so, in short: should I switch to the use of divs if I go several levels deep, or is section still something that could be used, regardless of how many parent sections it has
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  59. # [01:11] <divya> there is this ridiculous default font size rule that gets applied if you use sections and h1s within them
  60. # [01:11] <divya> but other than that feel free to use whatever
  61. # [01:11] <kulhas> hello, I am trying to make a game in java and javascript/html5, I am porting some of my java code to javascript and I am having a few problems with references. http://pastebin.com/BGwu609h when I get to line 6 cellTmp.unit is null. how can I solve this ?
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  63. # [01:12] <Cowell> kulhas: head over to #javascript :)
  64. # [01:13] <kulhas> alredy in there, there is a strange discussion about w3c event dispacher...
  65. # [01:13] <kulhas> lol
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  68. # [01:13] <dpogue> Has anyone actually used Flash to export for canvas? I see a bunch of things saying Adobe supports it, but I can't find any examples of the result
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  70. # [01:15] <kulhas> dpogue: I think adobe program will or alredy exports to html5 and flash
  71. # [01:16] <dpogue> supposedly it does, but I can't find any examples of what the html5 looks like (and I don't have Flash to be able to export something myself)
  72. # [01:17] <kulhas> dpogue: I can remenber the name of adobe program to make flash dev. But I think you need the adobe flash dev program, and the new version's should export to html5... something like flahs developer ... I dont kwon sorry
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  98. # [01:46] <tw2113> what's that online "school" that teachs js?
  99. # [01:47] <tw2113> i don't think code academy
  100. # [01:47] <tw2113> maybe it is
  101. # [01:47] <tw2113> my bad
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  115. # [02:24] <tw2113> i wonder if this is the oldest Mozilla bugzilla bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=507
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  158. # [04:32] <webguynow> having some trouble with my 1st use of app cache and manifest. Any tips ?
  159. # [04:33] <webguynow> html5doctor said there was some kind of mod_expires issue on FF
  160. # [04:33] <webguynow> but my test failed on Safari too - Ughh
  161. # [04:33] <webguynow> I used .htaccess with AddType for Apache
  162. # [04:34] <webguynow> and manifest attribute on html tag
  163. # [04:35] <webguynow> I did not use a full path to mymanifest.appcache since it was in the local directory already
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  366. # [14:48] <danielfilho> Hey ppl :)
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  376. # [15:10] <SoulRaven> hi
  377. # [15:10] <SoulRaven> is it posibile to put images inside select option tag?
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  379. # [15:14] <danielfilho> as far as I know, you can change it's behavior and make it work with images inside, but it will render as a div, or ul/li
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  386. # [15:31] <SoulRaven> danielfilho: can you help me with that?
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  391. # [15:41] <shadowcry> hi mate need a bit of help with some canvas code
  392. # [15:42] <shadowcry> http://pastebin.com/TD816ezi
  393. # [15:42] <shadowcry> that is the code, there are two image objects ground and water and i need to render out both types in one for loop
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  395. # [15:42] <shadowcry> but I have no idea how to
  396. # [15:43] <shadowcry> its the onload bit that is confusing me
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  413. # [16:34] <uf0_work> guys is there any free web host just to test stuff out?
  414. # [16:34] <uf0_work> if any what do you recommend
  415. # [16:36] <shadowcry> 000webhost.com ?
  416. # [16:36] <shadowcry> http://000webhost.com
  417. # [16:36] <shadowcry> dropbox is alright if you don't need server side langauges
  418. # [16:36] <shadowcry> uf0_work:
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  421. # [16:38] <uf0_work> thanks will try those
  422. # [16:39] <shadowcry> epic
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  492. # [18:30] <trix_> hi
  493. # [18:32] <trix_> could someone check my server if it is accessable?
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  534. # [19:35] <chovy> is there a way to remove input fields out of the tab index flow? Ie: if someone tabs through a screen, I don't want it the cursor to land on input fields.
  535. # [19:37] <Conexion> My guess is that it would be hard to get that to work cross-browser as that is something specific to the way the browser acts and isn't part of the DOM
  536. # [19:38] <Conexion> You could list all the elements and any time the user changes focus, you could try to find the next focusable item and change the focus
  537. # [19:38] <Conexion> But I'm not aware of a way to automate that, and if they have JS disabled, you're out of luck
  538. # [19:39] <supsup> if they can't use the input why not just hide it
  539. # [19:39] <chovy> i had heard tabindex="-1" might work
  540. # [19:40] <supsup> why u gotta taunt them like that, that's not cool. If i see an input and i can't use it i'm going to edit the html so i can use it just to be a daredevil.
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  542. # [19:40] <Conexion> I don't know how reliable that will be cross browser
  543. # [19:41] <Conexion> http://reference.sitepoint.com/html/object/tabindex
  544. # [19:41] <Conexion> IE8 doesn't support it, not sure if that is a dealbreaker
  545. # [19:41] <Conexion> Safari doesn't either
  546. # [19:42] <Conexion> Well, it does, but you have to enable it under advanced settings
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  551. # [19:51] <chovy> the problem i have is that there is a gallery scroller. ie: a list of items, floated left, with a parent that has dimensions of one child item. When the user clicks "next" it scrolls over one item, so the next item is then in view. The problem is there are form field elements, and if you tab to one of the hidden items form field, then it automatically (not sure why) scrolls the input field into view, screwing up the positioning of
  552. # [19:52] <Conexion> Have you disabled the hidden form elements?
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  555. # [19:54] <Conexion> chovy: http://jsfiddle.net/Mnh5J/1/
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  1085. # [20:40] <chovy> Conexion: thanks. that solves my problem.
  1086. # [20:41] <chovy> k_89: i'm not sure what the problem is on your example.
  1087. # [20:41] <k_89> chovy, it doesn't work properly , its too heavy ... i've dropped it now
  1088. # [20:41] <k_89> modding flex-slider
  1089. # [20:42] <k_89> seems like a better optio
  1090. # [20:42] <k_89> n
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  1104. # [21:13] <ale> Hello I am trying to make a drawing app with canvas, and I have a huge and strange problem with the text feature...the thing is that I write something on the canvas, and then I delete it with the eraser, but when I write again, what was deleted, reappears, can somebody help me please?
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  1111. # [21:25] <ale> Someone?
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  1122. # [21:46] <Conexion> Will be hard to figure out without seeing code. Not sure how your eraser works or how/if you are storing visual information
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  1167. # [22:34] <Asido> what would be the best way to make a text area style input where you could select like in a dropdown?
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  1175. # [22:44] <eighty4> Asido: not sure I get what you want?
  1176. # [22:44] <eighty4> Asido: could you explain more?
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  1180. # [22:46] <jarek> why resizing a div with "overflow: scroll" is slower than resizing a div with "overflow: hidden"?
  1181. # [22:46] <jarek> in both cases only part of the div is visible on screen
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  1183. # [22:47] <tw2113> anyone ever done an infographic type site?
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  1187. # [22:52] <jarek> tw2113: I haven't, but what is your problem?
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  1190. # [22:52] <jarek> tw2113: I've been playing with interactive SVG drawings a bit
  1191. # [22:52] <tw2113> trying to do some method research, as i have the chance to create one
  1192. # [22:53] <jarek> tw2113: method research?
  1193. # [22:54] <tw2113> what tools have generally been used to accomplish it
  1194. # [22:54] <tw2113> other than obvious things like "html/css"
  1195. # [22:55] <Conexion> Asido: You would use a drop down menu... | jarek: I'm going to guess because it has to calculate more when drawing a scrollbar | tw2113: The technology you want to use depends on how you want to display your information
  1196. # [22:56] <tw2113> i'm just gathering basics at the moment, i need to be briefed on it overall still :D
  1197. # [22:56] <tw2113> maybe some pointers
  1198. # [22:56] <tw2113> you kow
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  1200. # [22:56] <Conexion> Well, first question: Compatibility - Do you care about IE6?
  1201. # [22:57] <jarek> tw2113: well, if I were to create online infographics site, I would start by mocking it in Illustrator or Inkscape
  1202. # [22:57] <tw2113> inkscape ftw, but i'm not the designer :P
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  1204. # [22:57] <jarek> tw2113: then I would split the markup into small chunks and clean it up
  1205. # [22:57] <tw2113> the design would be done already
  1206. # [22:58] <Asido> eighty4: http://openoffice.blogs.com/openoffice/images/2008/02/29/nextsheet.png
  1207. # [22:58] <jarek> tw2113: another approach is to code everything manually
  1208. # [22:58] <Asido> this kind of selection
  1209. # [22:58] <Asido> just no scrolling
  1210. # [22:58] <Asido> textarea like selection
  1211. # [22:58] <Asido> of a line
  1212. # [22:59] <Conexion> Asido: Like this? http://jsfiddle.net/tdazy/
  1213. # [23:00] <Conexion> Heh, tdazy sounds funny
  1214. # [23:00] <Conexion> Like some weird pseudonym
  1215. # [23:00] <eighty4> Asido: http://www.mountaindragon.com/html/optmselected.htm
  1216. # [23:01] <Asido> eighty4: thank you
  1217. # [23:01] <eighty4> or what Conexion wrote :)
  1218. # [23:01] <Conexion> Bah! I gave the answer and I didn't get a thank you!
  1219. # [23:02] <Asido> thanks to all channel ;)
  1220. # [23:02] <Conexion> Now everyone gets a thank you and they didn't even do anything!
  1221. # [23:02] <Conexion> ;)
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  1229. # [23:22] <uf0_work> http://selectivizr.com/ = genius
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  1233. # [23:30] <chromate> Hey folks. Does anyone know what the expected behavior of using fillText with negative x coordinates?
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