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  11. # [00:26] <deasy_> joepie91, how don't make move other entries?
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  15. # [00:42] <joepie91> deasy: if you set a padding on the links to make up for the difference in size on hover, you prevent the rest from moving...
  16. # [00:42] <joepie91> it's a bit hacky
  17. # [00:42] <joepie91> probably would be better to have something like a fixed height for a parent container for each link
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  25. # [01:00] <josefrichter> guys, any news on Media Capture in any browser (nightly), please? Need to record audio.
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  31. # [01:16] <uf0_work> quick one.. which domain service you guys recommend.. Namecheap.com or Hover.com
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  45. # [02:19] <confounds> uf0_work godaddy
  46. # [02:19] * daleharvey not sure if serious
  47. # [02:19] <daleharvey> I switch to iwantmyname.com the other day, its nice
  48. # [02:19] <daleharvey> have used ghandi.net previously as well, they were decent
  49. # [02:20] <confounds> thought it was gandi
  50. # [02:20] <daleharvey> unfortunately they have a terrible domain + name, (and a crazy login system) https://www.gandi.net/
  51. # [02:21] <confounds> namecheap support didn't strike me as great when i was thinking of signing up
  52. # [02:21] <confounds> the guy didn't even know their own refund policy
  53. # [02:22] <confounds> plus i think it was only chat, no phone support?
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  65. # [03:06] <paul_irish> josefrichter: nothing available yet
  66. # [03:06] <paul_irish> josefrichter: i would look for the webkit ticket tracking it
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  68. # [03:07] <josefrichter> paul_irish ok, thanks. will try to find it. shit, I hoped we can kill Skype tomorrow :-o
  69. # [03:08] <paul_irish> i'm right there with you
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  71. # [03:09] <josefrichter> there goes my new year's resolution :-)
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  79. # [03:21] <josefrichter> paul_irish you know this service? http://vox.me/DUIIsw pretty neat, except it's flash based. hope to recreate this in html and have it completely free. we've been paying too much for too long for voice services, especially here in European Bureaucratic Union :-P
  80. # [03:23] <paul_irish> there is also http://www.tokbox.com/
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  87. # [03:32] <josefrichter> paul_irish is it worth exploring? ugly homepage scares me off tbh…
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  192. # [08:57] <Gorkyman> hey guys... how can I test my website in iphone if I dont have one?
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  281. # [10:37] <Pomax> time to smart up: http://jeffhuang.com/best_paper_awards.html
  282. # [10:38] <Anime> Hi, is there any known WebKit bug which allows some elements to be set as "drag images" for HTML5 DnD and forbids others? I came up with an irreproducible bug in a very large codebase in which some elements show up as drag images (after setting via dataTransfer.setDragImage) and some do not.
  283. # [10:38] <Anime> So far, which elements that do and do not show up appear to be arbitrary. In small tests, with less styles/code, the bug does not manifest itself.
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  285. # [10:38] <Pomax> if you cannot reproduce it, I am going to venture a guess and say it's your own code creating problems.
  286. # [10:39] <Pomax> where "your" is the generalised "you and whoever else uses and or contributed to"
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  291. # [10:42] <Anime> okay, thanks anyway
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  326. # [11:40] <xarxer> If I have a div with id '5', is it allowed/recommended/possible to have an anchor inside that div with the same id, or should I use class for one of them? or maybe both?
  327. # [11:41] <csmrfx> learn, what id is for
  328. # [11:41] <xarxer> csmrfx: Says unique identifier..
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  331. # [11:41] <csmrfx> so, if you have two, is that unique?
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  333. # [11:43] <xarxer> csmrfx: No, it's not.. But I was just thinking if it would cause any problems and what the paradigm suggests.. Sorry for asking :þ
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  336. # [11:44] <csmrfx> ask, and u learn
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  384. # [13:28] <skim1776> is WebGL the most popular library for html canvas graphics?
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  387. # [13:37] <simpleton> Anyone that can answer this question correctly? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8686969/how-to-remove-text-polygons-from-filltext-in-canvas Will give you a 100pt bounty...
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  460. # [16:15] <Kyriakos189> anyone who can help me with canvas?
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  462. # [16:18] <Kyriakos189> First I add a background image. Then i draw some circles. When the users does something, I want to redraw those circles. Therefore, I clear the canvas using a clear rectangle. However, my background image is gone and does not load again. Anyone got any clues?
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  483. # [16:35] <chromate> Hi all. Can Canvas' fillText() properly render bidi text?
  484. # [16:36] <chromate> I am having a problem primarily with punctuation (it appears in the wrong location) but the rest of the text renders correctly
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  490. # [16:53] <philihp> hey guys, anyone want to start a web ring?
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  496. # [16:55] <jakefolio> philihp: is this like the link sharing rings from the late 90's? ;)
  497. # [16:56] <philihp> yes. yes sir it is.
  498. # [16:56] <xec> i remember those!
  499. # [16:56] <xec> nostalgia! :D
  500. # [16:56] <philihp> just imagine the SEO! google won't know what to do with us.
  501. # [16:56] <xec> hehe
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  529. # [17:25] <Gorkyman_> how do you guys test mobiles compatibility?
  530. # [17:26] <Gorkyman_> any good emulators?
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  637. # [19:49] <BitPuffin> if I can't see the canvas text, does that mean it's working? (new to this new stuff, yes)
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  645. # [20:03] <Conexion> It depends :P have a demo
  646. # [20:03] <Conexion> It could be working as intended whether it is doing what you want
  647. # [20:04] <BitPuffin> well I'm trying to get a WebGL context
  648. # [20:04] <BitPuffin> I know that WebGL is supported I just don't know if it's doing what it should
  649. # [20:05] <BitPuffin> I've done a gl.clearColor(0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0);
  650. # [20:05] <BitPuffin> and I think that should make the Canvas black
  651. # [20:05] <BitPuffin> but I don't know for sure
  652. # [20:06] <BitPuffin> The canvas is currently white
  653. # [20:07] <BitPuffin> I'm doing <body onload="start()"> <canvas..... </body> and in the head I have <script src="script/main.js" type="text/javascript"></script> and I think it might not be calling the start() function which is inside main.js
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  656. # [20:12] <Ms2ger> It should
  657. # [20:12] <Ms2ger> IIRC
  658. # [20:13] <BitPuffin> that would make sense
  659. # [20:13] <BitPuffin> but it isn't doing it
  660. # [20:13] <Ms2ger> Let me check
  661. # [20:14] <BitPuffin> http://pastebin.com/Nb7kBkPZ
  662. # [20:15] <Ms2ger> Seems like the spec says it should work
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  664. # [20:15] <BitPuffin> http://pastebin.com/rbCz1B2i
  665. # [20:15] <Ms2ger> And that first one should certainly work
  666. # [20:16] <Ms2ger> Did you try alerting in start()?
  667. # [20:16] <BitPuffin> no, good idea!
  668. # [20:16] <Ms2ger> gl.viewport(0, 0, canvas.width, canvas.height();
  669. # [20:16] <Ms2ger> That might be it
  670. # [20:17] <BitPuffin> didn't get an alert
  671. # [20:17] <BitPuffin> hm
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  674. # [20:18] <BitPuffin> removed the viewport thingie
  675. # [20:20] <Conexion> I'd take a look at it but I'm at work and the work computers here don't support WebGL =/
  676. # [20:21] <BitPuffin> Conexion, you should still be able to get an alert though from <body onload="start()"> ?
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  678. # [20:23] <Conexion> Could you throw an example into jsfiddle.net or something like that? Overall the code looks correct but I'd need to debug it
  679. # [20:23] <Conexion> Hmm
  680. # [20:23] <Conexion> gl.viewport(0, 0, canvas.width, canvas.height();
  681. # [20:23] <Conexion> should be gl.viewport(0, 0, canvas.width, canvas.height);
  682. # [20:24] <BitPuffin> yeah, true
  683. # [20:24] <BitPuffin> how do I import the javascript file in jsfiddle?
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  685. # [20:26] <BitPuffin> http://jsfiddle.net/pTMbf/
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  688. # [20:33] <Conexion> http://jsfiddle.net/pTMbf/3/ BitPuffin
  689. # [20:34] <Conexion> Two things - One, the second alert saying "Unable to initalize WebGL. Your browser propably doesn't support it" cannot be on two lines
  690. # [20:34] <BitPuffin> it can't?
  691. # [20:35] <BitPuffin> how lame
  692. # [20:35] <BitPuffin> what did you change?
  693. # [20:35] <Conexion> That was the main change
  694. # [20:35] <Conexion> the other one was getting rid of the extra stuff in the HTML because jsfiddle already includes the head, etc..
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  696. # [20:36] <BitPuffin> cloud9 didn't catch that
  697. # [20:36] <BitPuffin> hmpf
  698. # [20:36] <BitPuffin> well let's see if it's working
  699. # [20:36] <Conexion> Then I just initiated "start();" at the bottom because there isn't a real onload
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  701. # [20:37] <BitPuffin> yeah now it works
  702. # [20:38] <BitPuffin> but for some reason it gives me the browser doesn't support it error
  703. # [20:38] <BitPuffin> and I just ran some WebGL demos on other websites
  704. # [20:38] <Conexion> Interesting
  705. # [20:39] <BitPuffin> ah
  706. # [20:39] <BitPuffin> experimantal
  707. # [20:39] <BitPuffin> how did that happen
  708. # [20:39] <BitPuffin> weee! It's black!
  709. # [20:39] <BitPuffin> thank you very much for your help!
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  712. # [20:43] <quizme> when reading a file as binary using FileReader is the result loaded in memory the same as what was on the file system byte for byte?
  713. # [20:44] <quizme> FileReader.readAsBinaryString(File) <--- i'm talking about this
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  733. # [21:25] <ale_> Does anyone know how to write text into canvas?
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  735. # [21:26] <elena1986> hello
  736. # [21:26] <elena1986> could someone please recomment the best html5 editor?
  737. # [21:26] <ale_> Dinamically, without overwritting the text I wrote before
  738. # [21:26] <elena1986> for a beginner
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  740. # [21:28] <ale_> An example: I write "Hello", and then I write "How are you", but the "Hello" text gets a stronger strokeStyle, and if I write "Fine", then both "Hello" and "How are you" get's stronger..it feels like there is a buffer..how can I prevent this?
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  745. # [21:38] <deasy> elena1986, bluegriffon?
  746. # [21:39] <deasy> i don't know
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  751. # [21:47] <ale_> Anyone guys please?
  752. # [21:47] <ale_> It is like an online drawing paint
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  760. # [22:07] <elena1986> thanks deasy
  761. # [22:07] <elena1986> how about paid options?
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  795. # [23:02] <jarek> Hello
  796. # [23:02] <jarek> should "const" be ever used instead of "var" and "let" when defining mutable objects?
  797. # [23:03] <jarek> I have noticed that Gnome Shell is uses const for any imported classes, e.g. here http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/tree/js/ui/calendar.js
  798. # [23:04] <jarek> what's the point of it?
  799. # [23:04] <jarek> s/is uses/is using
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  807. # [23:25] <grantg> paul_irish: Are let declarations optimized in crankshaft yet?
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  813. # [23:28] <grantg> I bet the const variables will be
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  856. # [23:41] <niftylettuce> grantg: hey bro
  857. # [23:41] <grantg> hey nifty
  858. # [23:41] <niftylettuce> :D
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  861. # [23:43] <grantg> I sooooo haven't updated squat on github in so long.
  862. # [23:43] <grantg> lol
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  888. # [23:52] <grantg> I've been playing with some JS GBA GPU emulation code
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  891. # [23:53] <grantg> still some cpu hogging on the bg/sprite transformation stuff.
  892. # [23:54] <grantg> This is all on indefinite code "baking" until JavaScript performance improves in Firefox and Chrome some more.
  893. # [23:54] <grantg> subroutine function calls are still way too expensive
  894. # [23:55] <grantg> and V8/JM need to get better with moving a lot of FPU ops to the ALU by better type inferencing
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  897. # [23:55] <grantg> also, the stack alloc inefficiency in firefox and chrome is still a major problem...
  898. # [23:55] <grantg> list goes on...
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  901. # [23:56] <grantg> I got bored and frustrated quickly with this performance wall
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  905. # [23:58] <grantg> Even manual LCIM and loop unrolling can't get past this shitty performance wall
  906. # [23:58] <grantg> *LICM
  907. # [23:59] <grantg> oh no, ranting again...
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  910. # Session Close: Tue Jan 03 00:00:00 2012

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