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- # [00:03] <aitiba> II'm trying to have indexeddb only on offline. for that I have this code http://pastebin.ca/2099840. I'm online and I cached the files, go offline create indexeddb, add data, go online and the indexeddb is not deleted. any ideas?
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- # [02:28] <cloudsben> good morning everybody
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- # [02:51] <yamahaalex37> Does anyone know of a local store POS system that can sync with a website ecommerce shop?
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- # [03:16] <grantg> performance drops in that one function...
- # [03:16] <grantg> goes from 3% of the CPU time to almost 25%...
- # [03:17] <grantg> and no effective difference
- # [03:17] <grantg> other than tile resource layout
- # [03:18] <grantg> (insert bitching with speculation that V8 is prematurely deoptimizing and going full retard without doing proper heuristics on that one function...)
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- # [03:56] <grantg> heh
- # [03:56] <grantg> Haven't seen that happen
- # [03:56] <grantg> I use localstorage on my js emulators
- # [03:56] <ippa> easily repeatable @ http://html5demos.com/storage
- # [03:56] <ippa> wondering if I might have some odd IE9 setting.. cause this feels Very crippled :\
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- # [04:07] <ippa> IE9 on win7?
- # [04:08] <ippa> can't remember touching any settings... odd it's not saving for me
- # [04:08] <ryanseddon> yeah IE9 on win7
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- # [05:16] <tw2113> paul_irish modernizr question if you have a moment
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- # [05:30] <divya> wat tw2113?
- # [05:34] <tw2113> was curious how the no-js class was done
- # [05:34] <tw2113> just a case of if js is available, it'll switch class names?
- # [05:35] <tw2113> and if there is no js available, it just remains as is
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- # [05:43] <Darrow> Question about permissions for the Geolocation API in Google Chrome:
- # [05:43] <Darrow> Is it possible to not use the bar that Google Chrome has for permissions and stuff?
- # [05:43] <Darrow> Like instead use a modal or something more obvious rather than the bar at the top that says "This site would like to use your current location."
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- # [06:02] <moshee> anyone else on chrome dev get these black boxes everywhere? :(
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- # [15:13] <ravenzz> hi there
- # [15:14] <ravenzz> is it good to use the labels in this way <label>foo <input type="text" name="foo"></label>
- # [15:14] <ravenzz> ?
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- # [15:15] <blackjid> I least I use them that way....
- # [15:16] <Trisox> :P
- # [15:16] <Trisox> i would use a for=""
- # [15:16] <ravenzz> yep I used that in the old way <label for="foo">foo</label><input type="text" name="foo" id="foo">
- # [15:16] <Trisox> indeed
- # [15:17] <Trisox> <label for="foo">foo<input type="text" name="foo" id="foo"></label>
- # [15:17] <Trisox> i use it like this
- # [15:17] <ravenzz> well I would like to use <label>foo <input type="text" name="foo"></label> just to avoid the for
- # [15:17] <Trisox> both good options
- # [15:17] <ravenzz> and the id
- # [15:17] <Trisox> mm
- # [15:18] <ravenzz> (it validate btw)
- # [15:18] <Trisox> :)
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- # [15:20] <mantas322> this wasnt happening yesterday! >:O
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- # [17:26] <Mad_Gouki> thanks, whoever made django
- # [17:26] <Mad_Gouki> for using regular expressions for urls
- # [17:26] <Mad_Gouki> so much awesome with that :D
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- # [17:51] <mantas322> hey guys
- # [17:51] <mantas322> what was that one thing u can type into chromes URI which displays cache
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- # [18:14] <mantas322> Hey guys I have a very serious question.
- # [18:14] <mantas322> If I load 1 cachemanifest
- # [18:15] <mantas322> then later I load another cache manifest with the same name, but different stuff in it
- # [18:15] <mantas322> what will happen?
- # [18:15] <mantas322> will my broqwser forget the first cache manifest?
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- # [19:06] <robin_sz> hi, I am looking at replacing a flash app with HTML5 and have some questions about streaming audio
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- # [19:06] <robin_sz> this is live audio, not file playback
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- # [19:07] <robin_sz> i am finding very little info on this on the web
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- # [19:09] <robin_sz> in flash, I used to have a lot of control, especially over things liek monitoring the live delay, restarting the stream etc, not seeing so much in html5?
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- # [19:19] <Pomax> socket.io
- # [19:19] <Pomax> "html5" isn't really anything in this context.
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- # [19:20] <Pomax> if you need socket control, you'll want to see how far socket.io can take you
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- # [19:20] <Pomax> http://socket.io/
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- # [19:21] <franksalim> robin_sz: were you using RTMP in flash? flash media server?
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- # [19:26] <robin_sz> rtmp and red5
- # [19:27] <robin_sz> franksalim, RTMP and Red5 with some custom plugins for stream authentication
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- # [19:28] <robin_sz> Pomax, oh, thats a pain, I am planning on using websockets to replace the tcp sockets I was using in flash for other purposes, i had assumed HTML5 was goign to solve the audio fairly easily
- # [19:29] <franksalim> robin_sz: i am unaware of anything that works like that out of the box in standards-land
- # [19:29] <robin_sz> Adobe dropping hte flash plugin is a real pain here
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- # [19:31] <robin_sz> socketio looks like the usual websockets mashup, nothing special there, but useless for live srteaing audio
- # [19:31] <robin_sz> even I am not crazy enough to write an audio codec in javascript
- # [19:31] <robin_sz> im already playing with jwebsocket etc for websockets
- # [19:31] <franksalim> robin_sz: there are audio codecs in javascript
- # [19:31] <Pomax> don't diss it, some pretty cool people do so when it doesn't exist yet.
- # [19:32] <franksalim> robin_sz: and you can pass binary data to the audio apis in some browsers
- # [19:32] <Pomax> the question is what you want to do here.
- # [19:32] <Pomax> do you want to stream audio?
- # [19:32] <franksalim> depending on the level of browser support you need, this is possible, but not completely out of the box, as i said
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- # [19:32] <robin_sz> I shall simply delay the move to html5 until suitable technologies emerge
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- # [19:33] <Pomax> yeah but, what are you trying to achieve? it's possible HTML5 isn't the way right now, but maybe the various things that are lumped under "HTML5" are actually just fine
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- # [19:33] <robin_sz> The real time messaging layer, I have sorted
- # [19:33] <robin_sz> websockets, jquery done.
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- # [19:33] <robin_sz> real time audio is also required
- # [19:34] <robin_sz> meaning < 1 second delay, real time.
- # [19:34] <robin_sz> this is currently possible in Flash, (although, not easy)
- # [19:35] <robin_sz> but, I see the writing on the wall for flash in the 2 year timescale
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- # [19:35] <robin_sz> or at least sufficient percentage of customer base without flash, that an alternative has to be found
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- # [19:35] <Pomax> entirely possible, although socket.io is not plain websocket. it also does timeout checks, pings, disconnecction detection, etc.
- # [19:35] <robin_sz> yes, so do other io libraries
- # [19:36] <Pomax> so don't sell it short because it uses different words than you expect. It might actually be enough.
- # [19:36] <mantas322> hey guys
- # [19:36] <franksalim> Pomax: socket.io does not actually help here
- # [19:36] <robin_sz> well, I dont see how its relevant
- # [19:36] <mantas322> How can I create a unique identifier to a specific user that access my website?
- # [19:36] <mantas322> without anykind of log in
- # [19:36] <robin_sz> mantas322, session cookie
- # [19:37] <robin_sz> assuming your privacy policy allows it
- # [19:37] <Pomax> mantas322, session cookie? most server side techs will offer that.
- # [19:37] <mantas322> alright alright, so lemme throw thishypathetical atcha
- # [19:37] <mantas322> person comes to my website from computer a has a session cookie for that browser
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- # [19:37] <mantas322> person comes to my website from a computer using a different browser
- # [19:38] <mantas322> will there be two unique session cookies?
- # [19:38] <Pomax> yes
- # [19:38] <robin_sz> yes
- # [19:38] <mantas322> okay
- # [19:38] <mantas322> okay..
- # [19:38] <mantas322> so.... as long as he doesnt delete his cookies
- # [19:38] <mantas322> and i dont expire them
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- # [19:38] <mantas322> I can figure out that its the same person, via most servside technologies
- # [19:38] <mantas322> erm nto person but browser
- # [19:38] <robin_sz> yes
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- # [19:39] <Pomax> no. just that it's the same browser, during the same session
- # [19:39] <mantas322> okay great\
- # [19:39] <mantas322> thanks alot guys
- # [19:39] <robin_sz> there are cross-browser techniques, but nlets nto go there
- # [19:39] <mantas322> i dont wanna go there
- # [19:39] <robin_sz> good :)
- # [19:39] <Pomax> if it's, say, a library computer, the next guy will still seem the previous one
- # [19:40] <mantas322> u guys have no clue, im taking html5 to the next level
- # [19:40] <mantas322> allowing users to dynamically choose parts of a webpage they want to save for offline
- # [19:40] <mantas322> meaning each session will have its own dynamic cache manifest
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- # [19:40] <mantas322> and localstorage
- # [19:40] <robin_sz> how ... handy
- # [19:40] <Pomax> sounds like a good idea to also add user management so people don't have to always use the same computer, with the same browser
- # [19:40] <mantas322> yeah...i've only recently as of 3 days ago learned about html 5
- # [19:40] <Pomax> that'd just get annoying for the user.
- # [19:40] <mantas322> and have been pretty excited ever since
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- # [19:41] <mantas322> anywho, thansk again
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- # [19:42] <robin_sz> wait, is this 4chan.org?
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- # [19:43] <mantas322> ?
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- # [19:47] <robin_sz> so the <audio/> tag, basically works with files, and thats it?
- # [19:48] <robin_sz> how would that handle say, sound for TV type streaming ?
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- # [19:53] <Pomax> not sure, I've not intensively focussed on the audio element yet
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- # [20:23] <thatryan> hey paul_irish a while ago you mentioned a super cool site, was like how to design a proper page, cool parallax... any recollection what it was? :)
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- # [20:55] <mantas322> what an exciting html5 filled day
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- # [21:04] <rhelic> opinions, is self terminating tags within HTML5 a waste of time, I vote yes
- # [21:04] <rhelic> but it's a serious question
- # [21:04] <rhelic> I have some guy here which is using <img... />
- # [21:04] <rhelic> pretty much any tag that doesn't have a native </tag> is self terminating
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- # [21:05] <mantas322> I vote no, I have no reservations Im just here to balance the vote
- # [21:05] <rhelic> grr
- # [21:05] <mantas322> u guot a guy huh
- # [21:05] <mantas322> u dont like his self terminating tags?
- # [21:05] <mantas322> I"M THAT GUY
- # [21:05] <mantas322> say that to my face
- # [21:05] <rhelic> fuck you and the horse you rode in on!
- # [21:06] <rhelic> I cannot self terminate, you'll have to lower me in
- # [21:06] <mantas322> lol, im sorry... its friday and im all out of brain juice.
- # [21:06] <mantas322> lol*
- # [21:06] <rhelic> I've been waiting my whole life to quote Terminator 2 on irc
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- # [21:06] <glassresistor> anyone know the best way to via http to start an audiofile with a 30sec offset without having to download the first 30sec of the song, im using html5 audiotags and 7digital as a download source
- # [21:07] <mantas322> no clue
- # [21:07] <rhelic> glassresistor: don't see how that's possible without something like Flash
- # [21:07] <rhelic> </dirty_words>
- # [21:07] <rhelic> you're going to need to recieve that data, to know to skip it
- # [21:07] <glassresistor> rhelic: agreed, rmtp is a good solution if 7d provided it
- # [21:07] <rhelic> just like a local media player needs to access the file, in order to skip to a certain point
- # [21:08] <rhelic> yea, technically possible with a real streaming solution
- # [21:08] <glassresistor> rhelic: thanks this is what i believed but people I work with seem to believe this is possible
- # [21:09] <rhelic> lol n00bs
- # [21:09] <glassresistor> rhelic: how would I do this with flash in theory?
- # [21:09] <glassresistor> and http?
- # [21:09] <rhelic> I'm not the expert, but Youtube does it all the time
- # [21:09] <rhelic> I only know that it is possible
- # [21:10] <mantas322> well
- # [21:10] <glassresistor> rhelic: yeah i think they use rmtp or something similar basically the download source accepts offsets as part of the request
- # [21:10] <mantas322> look into certain types of media
- # [21:10] <mantas322> and see if u can start them half way through r something
- # [21:10] <mantas322> im sure its possible with flash
- # [21:10] <mantas322> and youtube IS flash
- # [21:10] <mantas322> however I have a huntch its poss with other media types as well
- # [21:10] <mantas322> although I dont know
- # [21:11] <mantas322> I need to get an oil change for my car.
- # [21:11] <rhelic> do you have ADD?
- # [21:11] <glassresistor> mantas322: im all ears, its possible to start 30sec in with audio tags, the issues is skipping the unnessary bits on download
- # [21:11] <rhelic> yup
- # [21:11] <rhelic> you can't skip what you don't have
- # [21:11] <mantas322> right.
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- # [21:11] <rhelic> in order to compare web playing to local media player, keep in mind the local player has access to the whole file
- # [21:11] <rhelic> where as the browser has nothing, initially
- # [21:11] <mantas322> I would ask in #ffmpeg
- # [21:12] <mantas322> they will most defintaly be able to help
- # [21:12] <mantas322> they know all about video there, and can help explain what "muxed" means
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- # [21:19] <glassresistor> mantas322: grats, for local media player, i meant vlc and totem/ffmpeg accessing a url for a stream
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- # [21:19] <mantas322> I dont know what ur "grats"iong me for
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- # [21:20] <mantas322> I hope you're not using ffmpeg to ON-THE-FLY chop your webviews up
- # [21:20] <mantas322> webvideo*
- # [21:23] <glassresistor> mantas322: not at all, i was just testing with players not html5 based to make sure they were not able to skip forward without also downloading the the parts before it
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- # [21:23] <mantas322> ah.
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- # [21:41] <thatryan> Anyone seen this, good course? https://learnable.com/courses/modernizr-front-end-development-done-right-2561
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- # [21:55] <mantas322> Okay
- # [21:55] <mantas322> wow
- # [21:56] <mantas322> html5 is amazing
- # [21:56] <mantas322> now im back to the thingy of being notified when my caching is complete
- # [21:58] <rhelic> thingy
- # [21:58] <rhelic> cool technical term bro
- # [22:00] <tw2113> i understood it
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- # [22:28] <memoryleak> hi
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- # [22:31] <niftylettuce> ah occurs in ffox too, hmm sticky footer ftl
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- # [22:44] <rhelic> are we talking within the page, or the app's outer window?
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