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  1. # Session Start: Mon Jan 09 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
  3. # [00:00] <norbert_> idea behind the site is to help people who're wondering what html5 games are out there, so what's possible with html5, generally speaking
  4. # [00:00] <norbert_> advertising is not an option, I'm doing it all for free and investing money when I'm actually thinking about just removing the whole site wouldn't make sense
  5. # [00:01] <root66> then you need to promote it in places that won't cost you
  6. # [00:01] <root66> like reddit or other social media sites
  7. # [00:01] <norbert_> yeah, I've tried that, but it's like nobody cares
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  9. # [00:02] <root66> the niche market of people who are just interested in what is recently possible with html5 is not enough to support your video-making efforts
  10. # [00:02] <norbert_> but the points you make are valid, I guess I just no longer think it's worth to invest any effort/time into this thing
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  13. # [00:08] <knapper_tech> anyone know if there's a way to exceed 5MB (perhaps user prompted) recommended limit on web storage?
  14. # [00:08] <moo-_-> norbert_: just keep the domain around and you'll be rich after 10 years
  15. # [00:08] <moo-_-> knapper_tech: depends on the browser
  16. # [00:11] <knapper_tech> moo-_-: mobile (iOS & android) specifically lusted for
  17. # [00:11] <moo-_-> mobile safari should prompt if you try to store more than 5 MB?
  18. # [00:12] <moo-_-> don't know about crappydroid
  19. # [00:12] <knapper_tech> moo-_-: guess we'll have to run some tests
  20. # [00:12] <moo-_-> quick googling may save time :)
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  30. # [00:17] <josefrichter> knapper_tech I think you can prompt. not 100% sure atm tho
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  32. # [00:19] <josefrichter> knapper_tech they say "There is no limit, although once your databases increase beyond a certain size (5MB seems to be the default), the browser will prompt the user to allow for more space." over here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2689939/html5-database-storage-sql-lite-few-questions
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  34. # [00:21] <moo-_-> the recent iOS versions have improved the user experience by allowing the user to see and wipe the data per HTML page thru the device settings
  35. # [00:21] <norbert_> root66, moo-_-, thanks for the feedback; will take it into account when making decision
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  38. # [00:28] <knapper_tech> i'm going to try to pick a library and get an actual test. i want to see the data on the device. doing evaluation
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  163. # [06:16] <Yapsee> Hi everyone, I'm looking for a Full-Stack Co-Founder for my startup with experience in HTML5, CSS3, Javascript, PHP or Python (Django), and NoSQL. If you're interested please contact me at kyle@yapsee.com. For more information: http://startuply.com/Jobs/Full_Stack_Developer_Co_Founder_5521_44.aspx
  164. # [06:23] <dr0id> Yapsee: I am not interested.
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  397. # [13:07] <kevindougans> interesting read for anyone looking to burn 5/10 mins: http://www.netmagazine.com/features/15-top-web-design-and-development-trends-2012
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  409. # [13:34] <blackjid> Hi!, what irc are you guys using? something that work in windows...thanks!
  410. # [13:34] <JakeA> Try mirc or pidgin
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  414. # [13:36] <blackjid> @jakeA, thanks, i'll give it a try.!
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  421. # [13:41] <manuchill> blackjid, or xchat
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  423. # [13:42] <blackjid> I'm trying pidgin, I like the IM format... thanks
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  425. # [13:45] <kevindougans> a while back we were talking about internet speeds.this is why i hate internet in ibiza: http://www.speedtest.net/result/1695851281.png
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  427. # [13:46] <kevindougans> we have the most premium line you can get in our office (land line based)
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  437. # [14:09] <jayflux> bit of a joke, MS need to stop with their modes: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2011/12/14/interoperable-html5-quirks-mode-in-ie10.aspx
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  450. # [14:20] <ryan_tait> morning everyone
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  452. # [14:20] <pawel_> hello, ryan_tait
  453. # [14:20] <pawel_> ooh would someone mind testing a page out for me?
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  463. # [14:46] <ryan_tait> i can help :)
  464. # [14:46] <ryan_tait> what page pawel_
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  470. # [14:50] <pocopina> kevindougans: not that bad, our SA office only have 256K. no probs in th elondon office tho: http://www.speedtest.net/result/1695959566.png
  471. # [14:50] <pocopina> that's really just limited by the switch i'm on, which is 100Mbps
  472. # [14:50] <kevindougans> so jealous
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  474. # [14:51] <pocopina> well i'm jealous that you get to live on a sunny island, while i'm stuck in a east london basement
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  479. # [15:02] <devmikey> pocopina: I'm in miami
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  481. # [15:03] <devmikey> pocopina: It's 70 right now, and supposed to get up to 77F. I prefer 75 :(
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  483. # [15:06] <kevindougans> pocopina: fair point, can't argue with that.
  484. # [15:06] <kevindougans> 16 degrees Celsius = 60.8 degrees Fahrenheit, here today
  485. # [15:07] <kevindougans> i'm guessing londons probably about 11 c
  486. # [15:07] <kevindougans> not much diff
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  508. # [15:44] <becom33> can I acess my android or Iphone camera with html5 ?
  509. # [15:44] <moo-_-> becom33: short answer no
  510. # [15:44] <becom33> aww
  511. # [15:44] <manuchill> becom33, you need something extra like Phonegap
  512. # [15:44] <becom33> :(
  513. # [15:45] <moo-_-> long answer: if you run your HTML5 in a special wrapped app, made with Phonegap
  514. # [15:45] <moo-_-> i.e. not in browser
  515. # [15:45] <moo-_-> in WebKit based app
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  517. # [15:45] <moo-_-> it's still HTML5 though
  518. # [15:45] <becom33> no no not ina browser
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  520. # [15:45] <becom33> of Im using with app
  521. # [15:46] <becom33> if *
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  542. # [16:10] <mantas322> Good Morning everyone!!
  543. # [16:10] <mantas322> I am back!
  544. # [16:11] <mantas322> now, where was i
  545. # [16:11] <mantas322> oh right.... okay; how to figure out how to handle the event of cache manifest's cache completetion..
  546. # [16:11] <mantas322> i'd appreciate any links
  547. # [16:12] <mantas322> handle Application Cache Progress event finish
  548. # [16:16] * theresa_away is now known as theresaanna
  549. # [16:17] <moo^_^> mantas322: http://snipplr.com/view/50482/application-cache-loading-status-reporter-for-html5--javascript/
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  551. # [16:18] <mantas322> Thanks moo^_^
  552. # [16:18] <mantas322> I will read that
  553. # [16:18] <mantas322> and complain about it here
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  560. # [16:28] <mantas322> http://www.bennadel.com/blog/2029-Using-HTML5-Offline-Application-Cache-Events-In-Javascript.htm
  561. # [16:28] <mantas322> I am feeling WAY too monday morning for this....
  562. # [16:29] <root66> yeah, try this instead! http://hookerbots.com/npc/html5.php?script=default&w=1280&h=720
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  564. # [16:29] <root66> WASD and space
  565. # [16:30] <mantas322> ._.
  566. # [16:30] <mantas322> th-thanks.
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  568. # [16:33] <mantas322> do I HAVE to use JQuery in order to play with app cache events?
  569. # [16:33] <mantas322> not possible with pure JS?
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  571. # [16:33] <JakeA> Totally possible in pure js
  572. # [16:34] <JakeA> jQuery is built in pure js
  573. # [16:34] <mantas322> mmm
  574. # [16:34] <JakeA> therefore there's nothing jquery can do that js can't
  575. # [16:34] <mantas322> most of the examples i've come across in handling those events have been in jquery
  576. # [16:35] <Pomax> jquery is just easier to work with.
  577. # [16:35] <JakeA> Unfortunately a lot of people learn jquery rather than javascript
  578. # [16:35] <mantas322> i'll be the judge of that
  579. # [16:36] <Pomax> one of the many, yes =)
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  585. # [16:38] <mantas322> ugh
  586. # [16:38] <mantas322> u know what
  587. # [16:38] <mantas322> im just gonna copy and paste all this crap into my code and see what happenes
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  595. # [16:54] <pocopina> any opinions on decent ipad text editors... i'm thinking about buying http://www.textasticapp.com/
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  601. # [17:06] <mantas322> WTF is this INVALID_STATE_ERR: DOM Exception 11
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  603. # [17:06] <Pomax> use multiple browsers, find out a bit more than just "exception 11".
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  619. # [17:30] <ghinda> does anybody know of a way to redirect all OPTIONS requests in Apache? for CORS
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  633. # [17:48] <mantas322> INVALID_STATE_ERR: DOM Exception 11
  634. # [17:48] <mantas322> >:O RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH! im going to go on a killing spree
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  636. # [17:49] <Pomax> because... why?
  637. # [17:49] <JakeA> mantas322: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3488698/invalid-state-err-dom-exception-11-webkit
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  642. # [17:52] <mantas322> what
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  646. # [17:55] <mantas322> well
  647. # [17:55] <mantas322> it seems to me that even though this exception is thrown
  648. # [17:55] <mantas322> everything that was suppose to be cached is still cached
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  650. # [17:56] <mantas322> maybe theres some easy way of simply just ignoring this exception 11
  651. # [17:56] <mantas322> lol
  652. # [17:56] <mantas322> exception 11 reminds me individual 11
  653. # [17:56] <mantas322> wait
  654. # [17:57] <mantas322> shit..
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  664. # [18:07] <mantas322> oooooooo
  665. # [18:07] <mantas322> I think i understand...
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  667. # [18:11] <Pomax> for reference, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3488698/invalid-state-err-dom-exception-11-webkit
  668. # [18:11] <Pomax> no. stupid clipboard.
  669. # [18:11] <Pomax> http://reference.sitepoint.com/javascript/DOMException
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  843. # [22:44] <moo^_^> CSS selectors are evaluated from right to left
  844. # [22:44] <moo^_^> but does the same thing happen for jQuery selectors also?
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  848. # [22:49] <Pomax> CSS selectors select. Why would directionality matter?
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  851. # [22:52] <rupl> Pomax: performance
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  854. # [22:54] <moo^_^> Pomax: did you see the recent CSS selector performance article?
  855. # [22:54] <moo^_^> and opera's tool for it
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  857. # [23:05] <thisgeek> moo^_^: Whenever it can, jQuery will try to take advantage of document.querySelectorAll()
  858. # [23:05] <moo^_^> aha
  859. # [23:05] <moo^_^> so good to place most limiting factor to the rightmost
  860. # [23:06] <thisgeek> moo^_^: Yes. Start with ids if you can.
  861. # [23:07] <thisgeek> moo^_^: Technically, http://sizzlejs.com/ does this, and jQuery uses sizzle
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  863. # [23:10] <moo^_^> here is the article https://twitter.com/#!/moo9000/status/154882466455363584 btw
  864. # [23:10] <socialhapy> ★ Tweet from moo9000: Optimizing CSS with a #opera profiler http://t.co/4Zb3yl2d - save hundreds of milliseconds in page loading times #web #dev #html5 ★ http://bit.ly/wBCPbM
  865. # [23:10] <moo^_^> thisgeek: yep - once tried to read sizzle source code and my brain sizzled
  866. # [23:11] <thisgeek> moo^_^: :)
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  868. # [23:15] <thisgeek> moo^_^:It must have done the same to my brain, because I just noticed that the engine tries to use getElementById() before querySelectorAll(), which makes sense for performance reasons.
  869. # [23:15] <ryanseddon> You can all rest easy folks Chrome has, finally, fixed FileReader not working with addEventListener crbug.com/48367 \o/
  870. # [23:16] <thisgeek> ryanseddon:Can you get that in Canary yet?
  871. # [23:17] <ryanseddon> yeah its fixed in canary
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