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  1. # Session Start: Wed Jan 11 00:00:01 2012
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  10. # [00:14] <tsatse> hi people
  11. # [00:14] <tsatse> do you guys have info on indexedDB ?
  12. # [00:14] <tsatse> like will it be supported by safari ?
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  14. # [00:15] <tsatse> or is there a war still raging between indexedDB and WebSQL
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  18. # [00:20] <tsatse> hmmm...
  19. # [00:21] <tsatse> maybe it's a cold war
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  44. # [00:54] <JonathanNeal> Recommendations for a good video to mp4/ogv/webm converter?
  45. # [00:55] <JonathanNeal> Or do I just need mp4/webm now?
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  80. # [01:39] <JohnnyL> Is there a way to transfer mp3s to an HTML5 client and play it?
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  108. # [02:24] <Luqman> Hi
  109. # [02:24] <Luqman> I was looking for some help in addressing performance with websockets
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  186. # [05:00] <gavacho> hi, is there a best-practice for cache-busting css/js/imgs
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  188. # [05:02] <dpogue> gavacho> Include the timestamp in the path, so that proxy servers don't cache it either
  189. # [05:04] <grantg> http://i.imgur.com/cAWOX.png
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  363. # [07:02] <sasori> hi, how to change the appearance of this submit type <input type="submit" name="pay now" value="pay" /> ..into a custom graphics ? <img src="images/shopping-cart/check-out-btn.png" border="0" />
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  378. # [07:29] <abraxas> sasori: <input type="image"/>
  379. # [07:30] <sasori> yep,, found the solution awhile ago..thanks anyway
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  448. # [10:24] <SrPx> hey guys, im trying to make an upper div in my site to look like facebook, but it always has a white space over it. what can i do about this? http://i.imgur.com/ZayK1.png
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  471. # [11:07] <Trisox> SrPx: body{padding:0; margin:0;}
  472. # [11:07] <SrPx> haha too late, but thanks
  473. # [11:07] <Trisox> :)
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  475. # [11:07] <Trisox> use a style reset ;)
  476. # [11:07] <Trisox> helps
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  478. # [11:08] <Trisox> check the one in html5boilerplate
  479. # [11:08] <Trisox> got some good tricks :D
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  1039. # [16:21] <mantas322> Hey guys!
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  1042. # [16:21] <mantas322> anyone here?
  1043. # [16:21] <snootz4> I am
  1044. # [16:21] <mantas322> r u expert?
  1045. # [16:21] <ryan_tait> me 2 morning
  1046. # [16:21] <snootz4> no
  1047. # [16:21] <snootz4> sowwy
  1048. # [16:21] <mantas322> okay so here's what im trying to do
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  1050. # [16:22] <mantas322> I have a MAIN page which which references "<html manifest="custom_manifest.cfm">" inside this MAIN page i also have a button that changes the content of custom_manifest.cfm using AJAX
  1051. # [16:23] <mantas322> is it possible to tell the MAIN page to recache or somehow show it that the cache manifest has changed WITHOUT refreshing the page?
  1052. # [16:23] <mantas322> any thoughts or ideas?
  1053. # [16:27] <mantas322> hello?
  1054. # [16:30] <mantas322> you BETTER be sowwy
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  1058. # [16:32] <mantas322> Cash and Tango
  1059. # [16:32] <mantas322> Manifest
  1060. # [16:32] <mantas322> Tango and CACHE
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  1062. # [16:34] <mantas322> HOW!
  1063. # [16:35] <mantas322> HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!
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  1065. # [16:37] <BrianBlakely> So I was working with the Fullscreen API on a project recently
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  1067. # [16:37] <BrianBlakely> Put together this Fullscreen demo that uses Google Maps (which is clearly not designed for Fullscreen): http://analogysoft.com/things/fullscreen/
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  1069. # [16:38] <BrianBlakely> It's kind of a pile of crap on Chrome/Mac
  1070. # [16:38] <Pomax> I was about to say that =)
  1071. # [16:38] <hughfdjackson> whats the semantically correct way of doing <div id="main_container"></div>
  1072. # [16:38] <hughfdjackson> in html5? ^_^
  1073. # [16:38] <BrianBlakely> The way Chrome/Lion handles spaces is garbage
  1074. # [16:39] <Pomax> why is it showing a KRAFT add in firefox, though?
  1075. # [16:39] <Pomax> *ad
  1076. # [16:39] <BrianBlakely> Pomax: Heh, this was a project for Kraft Singles
  1077. # [16:39] <Pomax> ahh
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  1079. # [16:39] <mantas322> im sorry everyone i have to repaste my question
  1080. # [16:39] <hughfdjackson> :P i suppose semantic and the idea of a tag simply for positioning/style is at odds naturally
  1081. # [16:40] <mantas322> since more regulars have showed up :>
  1082. # [16:40] <BrianBlakely> hughfdjackson: That's right
  1083. # [16:40] <mantas322> I have a MAIN page which which references "<html manifest="custom_manifest.cfm">" inside this MAIN page i also have a button that changes the content of custom_manifest.cfm using AJAX [09:18] <mantas322> is it possible to tell the MAIN page to recache or somehow show it that the cache manifest has changed WITHOUT refreshing the page?
  1084. # [16:40] <mantas322> lemme know if u guys have any thoughts on this
  1085. # [16:40] <BrianBlakely> hughfdjackson: You should avoid doing that. I suggest using <body> as your "main container"
  1086. # [16:40] <mantas322> might not be possible
  1087. # [16:40] <hughfdjackson> BrianBlakely: :P have not yet put my thinking cap on today
  1088. # [16:40] <Pomax> mantas322, tries using setAttribute for the html element?
  1089. # [16:40] <Pomax> *tried
  1090. # [16:40] <hughfdjackson> BrianBlakely: i'm afraid i've done what i dislike people doing with javascript
  1091. # [16:40] <mantas322> no
  1092. # [16:40] <mantas322> I havent
  1093. # [16:40] <hughfdjackson> and, because i don't use html often, i haven't learnt it thoroughly
  1094. # [16:41] <mantas322> not really sure how to do that, googling....
  1095. # [16:41] <hughfdjackson> the wisdom i recieved was that styling body in that way would cause cross-browser troubles
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  1097. # [16:41] <hughfdjackson> :3 i assume i'm misinformed on this one?
  1098. # [16:41] <BrianBlakely> hughfdjackson: I personally tend to use a structure like this on conventional pages: <body><header></header><section id="content"></section><footer></footer></body>
  1099. # [16:41] <BrianBlakely> hughfdjackson: It won't cause cross-browser troubles
  1100. # [16:42] <BrianBlakely> hughfdjackson: Works fine in everything you might be supporting
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  1103. # [16:42] <hughfdjackson> hehe, another piece of legacy cruft?
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  1105. # [16:42] <Pomax> at this point finally, yes =)
  1106. # [16:42] <BrianBlakely> hughfdjackson: Seems that way
  1107. # [16:42] * hughfdjackson jumps for joy
  1108. # [16:42] <hughfdjackson> ^_^ cheers for the help
  1109. # [16:43] <BrianBlakely> hughfdjackson: Any time!
  1110. # [16:44] <mantas322> oh wait
  1111. # [16:44] <mantas322> WAIT!!!!! >:DDD
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  1114. # [16:47] <mantas322> turns out
  1115. # [16:47] <mantas322> it DOES recache
  1116. # [16:47] <mantas322> ugh, its too early
  1117. # [16:47] <mantas322> i need another cup of coffee
  1118. # [16:47] <mantas322> it does recache but for somereason my jQUERY cache events dont fully work
  1119. # [16:48] <mantas322> BECAUSE they are also cached in the main page? somehow javascript something something blet aina nahouy blet suka jop tvai mat
  1120. # [16:48] <mantas322> >:O
  1121. # [16:50] <Pomax> coffee sounds good.
  1122. # [16:51] <tsatse> a pity it tastes bad
  1123. # [16:51] <Pomax> that depends on what you understand as being "coffee"
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  1125. # [16:52] <mantas322> I sometimes take it to the next level, and put hot sauce in my milk.
  1126. # [16:52] <Pomax> if you were to give an italian a cup of american coffee, or an american a cup of finnish coffee, I doubt they'd recognise it as "coffee" and more of "a perversion"
  1127. # [16:52] <Pomax> =)
  1128. # [16:52] <tsatse> i understand a thick black drink i which a spoon can hold still vertically
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  1139. # [17:03] <mantas322> oh wait
  1140. # [17:03] <mantas322> shit...
  1141. # [17:04] <Pomax> hm?
  1142. # [17:05] <mantas322> I was so sleepy i forgot i added in window.location = "http://mantas.rsna.org/CACHE/";
  1143. # [17:05] <mantas322> oops
  1144. # [17:05] <mantas322> didnt mean to post that
  1145. # [17:05] <mantas322> window.location
  1146. # [17:05] <mantas322> I thought it was recaching automatically
  1147. # [17:05] <Pomax> heh
  1148. # [17:05] <Pomax> at least you're awake enough to have found that
  1149. # [17:06] <mantas322> well, I'll worry about this later
  1150. # [17:06] <mantas322> right now
  1151. # [17:07] <mantas322> time to merge all these pages into one button as best i can
  1152. # [17:07] <mantas322> if I have to refresh to recache, then so be it
  1153. # [17:07] <mantas322> i'll come back to this when everything else I need is figured out
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  1160. # [17:12] <mantas322> hmmmmm
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  1163. # [17:15] <mantas322> wow
  1164. # [17:15] <mantas322> this is great
  1165. # [17:15] <mantas322> thanks html5
  1166. # [17:15] <mantas322> your the best
  1167. # [17:15] <mantas322> I keep thinking what iom trying to do is impossible, but then I keep figuring things out'
  1168. # [17:15] <mantas322> so many apiphanies
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  1185. # [17:32] <cccaldas> hi everyone
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  1195. # [17:44] <JonathanNeal> hi
  1196. # [17:46] <moo^_^> JonathanNeal: did you have an article how various mobile devices report screen width?
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  1203. # [17:51] <JonathanNeal> there are a few good ones out there, moo^_^
  1204. # [17:51] <mantas322> GOD DAMNIT!
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  1206. # [17:51] <mantas322> INVALID_STATE_ERR: DOM Exception 11
  1207. # [17:52] <moo^_^> I recall something was written by Jonathan, but it was not you, was it? :)
  1208. # [17:52] <moo^_^> mantas322: sounds like cross-site AJAX request
  1209. # [17:52] <moo^_^> or accessing file:// over AJAX
  1210. # [17:52] <mantas322> no no it was happening BEFORE I was using ajax too
  1211. # [17:52] <mantas322> I was ignoring it
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  1213. # [17:58] <mantas322> dude
  1214. # [17:58] <mantas322> if this is happeneing all because I have spaces in my manifest
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  1217. # [18:05] <BrianBlakely> https://twitter.com/brianblakely/status/157144370640977920
  1218. # [18:05] <socialhapy> ★ Tweet from brianblakely: Chrome/Lion creates a Space when you use the Fullscreen API. This is a bad experience. Support the ticket: http://t.co/iH8LeW0U ★ http://bit.ly/xXELSI
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  1238. # [18:20] <Jon47> brianblakely I don't like this too much either, but what do you do for a fullscreen app that has multiple windows, ie a browser
  1239. # [18:21] <Jon47> when you fullscreen one of the windows, the other windows probably shouldn't be full-screened as well
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  1241. # [18:21] <Jon47> so then when you move between the windows, how to navigate back to the one that you fullscreened?
  1242. # [18:21] <Jon47> the way lion handles it is by making it a space..
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  1244. # [18:22] <Jon47> you'd need to suggest an alternate method
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  1264. # [18:34] <JonathanNeal> moo^_^: I did not write any such article, but I tried tricking ie into thinking i could load a url from a string. :P
  1265. # [18:34] <JonathanNeal> it didn't work.
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  1272. # [18:40] <mantas322> wait
  1273. # [18:40] <mantas322> wait
  1274. # [18:40] <mantas322> is it possible that
  1275. # [18:40] <mantas322> somehow
  1276. # [18:40] <mantas322> nevermind
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  1278. # [18:41] * xec neverminds
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  1283. # [18:45] <mantas322> im going to kill someone
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  1322. # [19:31] <BrianBlakely> Jon47: In the ticket, I recommend Windowed Fullscreen, which is how Safari, Firefox and Flash do it
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  1325. # [19:32] <BrianBlakely> As for multiple windows, I mean an application designer should never make their app require both multiple windows and fullscreen at the same time. That doesn't make any sense.
  1326. # [19:32] <Jon47>  brianblakely - but then you can't access any other windows in that application until you un-fullscreen the current one
  1327. # [19:33] <BrianBlakely> Jon47: Well, yeah :P
  1328. # [19:33] <Jon47> if you ask me it's a pretty crappy experience whichever way you handle it
  1329. # [19:34] <BrianBlakely> That seems correct. You could suggest that Chrome make tabs accessible off-screen while in Fullscreen mode
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  1331. # [19:34] <BrianBlakely> That's how it works when the user manually enables Fullscreen through OS X
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  1333. # [19:35] <BrianBlakely> You throw your mouse cursor to the top of the screen, and tabs pop down
  1334. # [19:35] <BrianBlakely> That isn't relevant to the ticket I filed, however
  1335. # [19:36] <BrianBlakely> The current implementation just needs to go
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  1368. # [20:36] <BrianBlakely> mantas322: I thought it was simply an inclusive list
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  1378. # [20:48] <mantas322> yeah it kinda is
  1379. # [20:48] <mantas322> but now that im trying to do it all with 1 ajax call im running into all these mindfucks
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  1420. # [21:59] <|PiP|> is there a javascript plugin that will add basic html5 features to older browsers (eg. section, placeholder, attr, etc?)
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  1422. # [22:00] <hughfdjackson> yes
  1423. # [22:00] <hughfdjackson> html5shim, i believe
  1424. # [22:00] <hughfdjackson> not used it personally
  1425. # [22:02] <ryan_tait> http://code.google.com/p/html5shiv/
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  1441. # [22:20] <mantas322> How can I invoke the cache manifest with ajax?
  1442. # [22:20] <moo^_^> mantas322: pardon?
  1443. # [22:20] <mantas322> okay
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  1445. # [22:21] <mantas322> so I have a page, which has <!DOCTYPE html> <html manifest="./manifests/_custom_manifest.cfm">
  1446. # [22:21] <mantas322> but I also want to display events from this
  1447. # [22:21] <mantas322> wait
  1448. # [22:21] <mantas322> nevermind
  1449. # [22:21] <moo^_^> good
  1450. # [22:21] <mantas322> im not even going to get started since im leaving in 3 minutes
  1451. # [22:21] <mantas322> shut up! >:O
  1452. # [22:21] <moo^_^> :)
  1453. # [22:21] <mantas322> I'll be back tomorrow
  1454. # [22:21] <mantas322> hung over as fuck!
  1455. # [22:21] <moo^_^> your approach sounded little backwards
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  1457. # [22:21] <moo^_^> maybe you are not noticing something
  1458. # [22:22] <mantas322> could be
  1459. # [22:22] <moo^_^> but I have code to read .manifest in JS
  1460. # [22:22] <moo^_^> line by line
  1461. # [22:22] <mantas322> could be that im trying to do something unrealistic
  1462. # [22:22] <moo^_^> not that it is any useful
  1463. # [22:22] <mantas322> u do?
  1464. # [22:22] <mantas322> show me!
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  1466. # [22:23] <moo^_^> I need to dig it up
  1467. # [22:23] <moo^_^> it's oold
  1468. # [22:23] <moo^_^> and was not useful
  1469. # [22:23] <mantas322> :(
  1470. # [22:23] <moo^_^> the approach was wrong
  1471. # [22:23] <mantas322> if you'll be here tomorrow i can explain my problem to you in more detail and you can do my job for me
  1472. # [22:24] <mantas322> ;P jk
  1473. # [22:24] <moo^_^> np
  1474. # [22:24] <mantas322> anywho..... cya tomorrow
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  1506. # [23:00] <Mircea> Hi, I am trying to find someone that can help me test a device orientation demo I am writting. Any people with iPads or Macs arround?
  1507. # [23:00] <c_t_montgomery> Mircea - yep. what's up?
  1508. # [23:01] <Mircea> http://t.co/du5Ja8ZT can you please try this on an iPad
  1509. # [23:01] <Mircea> or whatever you have
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  1511. # [23:04] <c_t_montgomery> yep. one sec
  1512. # [23:04] <Mircea> thanks
  1513. # [23:07] <c_t_montgomery> working on iPhone 4s and macbook pro w/ Chrome 16. moving my device towards/away from me triggers the object to swivel in the X direction, not Y (which i expected)
  1514. # [23:07] <c_t_montgomery> looks really cool though
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  1517. # [23:08] <Mircea> its not calibrated... Do you have a firefox on your MAC?
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  1519. # [23:08] <c_t_montgomery> yep. nightly or 8?
  1520. # [23:08] <c_t_montgomery> ill play with both
  1521. # [23:09] <c_t_montgomery> 8's not doing anything
  1522. # [23:09] <c_t_montgomery> opening up nightly
  1523. # [23:09] <Mircea> ok, so its brocken in FF
  1524. # [23:09] <c_t_montgomery> yep
  1525. # [23:09] <Mircea> that was what I wanted to hear. Thank you for your time
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  1527. # [23:09] <c_t_montgomery> not a problem at all
  1528. # [23:10] <Mircea> oh ,one more thing how is the performance on MAC on Safari?
  1529. # [23:10] <c_t_montgomery> one sec
  1530. # [23:10] <Mircea> in fact on Chrome the 3d do not work right
  1531. # [23:11] <c_t_montgomery> correct- 3d not working on chrome
  1532. # [23:11] <c_t_montgomery> safari's giving me an alert saying device orientation isn't supported =(
  1533. # [23:11] <Mircea> oh, strange
  1534. # [23:11] <c_t_montgomery> one sec
  1535. # [23:11] <Mircea> ok
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  1537. # [23:13] <c_t_montgomery> webkit nightly is also giving me that alert. Chrome canary has no 3d, either. Opera's also giving the alert. That's all the browsers i've got installed
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  1539. # [23:14] <Mircea> maybe Safari does not have Device Orentation API inplemented.
  1540. # [23:14] <Mircea> thanks, its hard to debug nowdays without tons of hardware arround :)
  1541. # [23:14] <c_t_montgomery> haha np
  1542. # [23:14] <c_t_montgomery> umm
  1543. # [23:15] <c_t_montgomery> as per this stackoverflow answer (march 24 of 2011 - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4904229/how-does-chrome-get-device-orientation-information), webkit device orientation is supported only on mobile safari and chrome
  1544. # [23:15] <c_t_montgomery> just fy
  1545. # [23:15] <c_t_montgomery> *FYI
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  1548. # [23:16] <c_t_montgomery> haha
  1549. # [23:16] <Mircea> Strange thing is that it works on iPad/Safari and not on MAC/Safari
  1550. # [23:16] <Mircea> just have to wait then
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  1574. # [23:50] <FiestaSmash> ok, can someone analyze some code for me really quickly?
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  1577. # [23:50] <FiestaSmash> it's html5 code generated by my ruby application on runtime
  1578. # [23:51] <FiestaSmash> http://pastebin.com/fLinNDKc
  1579. # [23:51] <FiestaSmash> what exactly am I doing wrong? my html5 text WILL NOT display
  1580. # [23:52] <Pomax> can you turn that into a jsfiddle.net thing?
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  1582. # [23:53] <FiestaSmash> Gosh! I've never used that before...
  1583. # [23:53] <Mircea> canvas.width, canvas.height don't see those defined anyware
  1584. # [23:53] <Pomax> it's a lot more useful than pastebin =)
  1585. # [23:54] <FiestaSmash> Ok, it seems simple
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  1587. # [23:54] <FiestaSmash> I thought canvas was an understood class
  1588. # [23:54] <FiestaSmash> ack let me fix that
  1589. # [23:54] <Pomax> what do you mean?
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  1591. # [23:55] <FiestaSmash> like, when the context gets the canvas, canvas.width represents the width of the canvas obtained by the doc.getelementbyID
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  1593. # [23:56] <Pomax> "class" is an HTML/CSS thing, you're referencing an object. rather than "canvas" it should be "drawingCanvas2"
  1594. # [23:56] <Pomax> no, that's only the case if you did "var canvas = document.getElementById..."
  1595. # [23:56] <FiestaSmash> ah
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  1597. # [23:57] <FiestaSmash> Ok, I changed the values to the values I set for the actual canvas size
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  1599. # [23:57] <Pomax> that's an option, but using drawingCanvas2.width and drawingCanvas2.height instead would have been better
  1600. # [23:57] <Pomax> or renaming "var drawingCanvas2 = ..." to "var canvas = ... "
  1601. # [23:58] <FiestaSmash> ok, let me try that jsfiddle
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  1603. # [23:59] <Mircea> http://jsfiddle.net/QQATV/1/
  1604. # [23:59] <Mircea> FiestaSmash check it out http://jsfiddle.net/QQATV/1/
  1605. # Session Close: Thu Jan 12 00:00:00 2012

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