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  101. # [04:49] <uf0_work> paul_irish: you around?
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  107. # [05:10] <dpogue> paul_irish> If you like fancy scrolling stuff, take a look at http://acko.net/
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  571. # [18:08] <supsup> sup
  572. # [18:08] <ryan_tait> sup
  573. # [18:09] <supsup> nada
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  575. # [18:09] <supsup> refactoring
  576. # [18:09] <supsup> ~~
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  585. # [18:19] <Conexion> sup sup
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  600. # [18:33] <croby> anyone have a particular javascript style guide that they subscribe to? jQuery, Google, node, etc.?
  601. # [18:33] <moo^_^> croby: crockford
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  603. # [18:37] <Pomax> "legible"
  604. # [18:38] <Pomax> crockford is technically a spectrum with quite a number of variable parameters
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  607. # [18:39] <Conexion> croby: lolcode
  608. # [18:40] <Pomax> that's kind of not even javascript anymore. but someone must have written a lolcode-to-js converter O_O
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  611. # [18:42] <Conexion> I'd do it
  612. # [18:42] <Pomax> I expect a github link later todya.
  613. # [18:42] <Pomax> *today
  614. # [18:42] <Conexion> Hah, server-side or client-side?
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  616. # [18:43] <barh> hello guys
  617. # [18:43] <Conexion> Hello there good chap
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  643. # [18:44] <barh> does anyone know what's the default variable on SQL to "username" variable?
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  645. # [18:44] <barh> and "address" variable
  646. # [18:44] <barh> ?
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  649. # [18:46] <barh> does anyone know what's the default variable on SQL to "username" variable?
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  651. # [18:47] <Conexion> Pomax: I'll get a quick PHP parser thrown together later. Maybe JS/HTMLOL?
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  654. # [18:48] <Conexion> Not entirely sure what you're asking barh - SQL doesn't assign default values to things unless you've set it up that way
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  656. # [18:48] <Conexion> brb
  657. # [18:48] <barh> i've what variable should i use to store 'username' and 'address'
  658. # [18:48] <barh> i've asked*
  659. # [18:48] <barh> ?
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  665. # [18:50] <moo^_^> barh: this is not SQL support channel, please
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  668. # [18:51] <barh> i know, but there are people here are quite familer with sql
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  670. # [18:51] <barh> so if you don't wanna help, just don't
  671. # [18:51] <moo^_^> I suggest you ask your question on more appropriate forum and you have better rate of responses :)
  672. # [18:51] <barh> fine
  673. # [18:51] <barh> i know
  674. # [18:51] <martndemus> sup?
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  677. # [18:53] <Pomax> for SQL only, I'd have to agree with moo^_^. especially now that webdb is out of the picture
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  679. # [18:53] <barh> it's mySQL
  680. # [18:53] <barh> for php
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  682. # [18:53] <moo^_^> barh: Try PHP related channel
  683. # [18:54] <barh> should i use 'varchar' or 'int' to store a phone number?
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  685. # [18:54] <barh> cannot join php channel
  686. # [18:54] <Pomax> a telephone number is not, per se, a number. use varchar.
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  688. # [18:55] <Pomax> and php has its own IRC server, as far as I know
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  690. # [18:56] <martndemus> directing people to #php is not smart, as most people arent allowed to talk in there =D
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  693. # [18:56] <jetienne> ?
  694. # [18:56] <Pomax> ah, no there is no official php channel.
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  696. # [18:57] <Pomax> "#php moved to ##php; please move over there; thanks! /msg php-bot channel move for more details"
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  698. # [18:57] <jetienne> ##php works well and got 500 users
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  705. # [18:59] <Pomax> that said, barh, try to keep your terms related to your tech - SQL has no "variables" (except in stored procedures), so what you wanted to know was whether there is a default thing in SQL for storing usernames. The answer is no, SQL has no defaults whatsoever, which is why it's important that you do your database design right.
  706. # [18:59] <Pomax> and usually a good to not design your own, but first read up on what millions of others have used, and most importantly, what has failed for people.
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  708. # [19:00] <Pomax> (like forgetting to set the database to a unicode charset and discovering that people's names are completely messed up)
  709. # [19:00] <barh> oh do i have to change the languge code?
  710. # [19:01] <barh> i am using UTF 8 on my website
  711. # [19:01] <Pomax> aye, but your website has literally nothing to do with your database instance.
  712. # [19:01] <Pomax> they are independent things that you happen to glue together with a php library that can talk to databases.
  713. # [19:01] <Pomax> so in your database, you want to use a charset of utf8, and you want to make sure your text fields use utf8 charset and collated using utf8_general or something similar.
  714. # [19:02] <Pomax> VERY interesting things happen when you don't.
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  718. # [19:04] <Pomax> for instance, I have a Japanese dictionary site where the site is utf8 and the raw data was utf8. The database host I use has mySQL set up to use utf8 by default, so I stupidly forgot to force the issue, and things went spectacularly wrong. The resulting page data ended up being interpreted as utf8 even though it was latin_swedish encoded, so nothing I did could bring it back to legible.
  719. # [19:04] <Pomax> I ended up using this to make sure it's ALWAYS right:
  720. # [19:04] <Pomax> SET NAMES 'utf8';
  721. # [19:04] <Pomax> SET CHARACTER SET 'utf8';
  722. # [19:04] <Pomax> CREATE TABLE dictionary_keb_index (term VARCHAR(255) CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE utf8_bin, revterm VARCHAR(255) CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE utf8_bin, id INTEGER, index(term), index(revterm));
  723. # [19:04] <Pomax> BEGIN;
  724. # [19:05] <Pomax> and then my inserts. And every time PHP opens a database socket, the first thing it sends is those two SET commands, to make sure the connection is in utf8 charset.
  725. # [19:05] <jetienne> fyi there is a channel abou sql, #sql got 120users btw
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  739. # [19:06] <moo^_^> I have solved the problem by not using SQL databases :)
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  741. # [19:06] <barh> :)
  742. # [19:06] <Pomax> that technically doesn't solve the problem of your database having the wrong charset =)
  743. # [19:07] <barh> when i make date variable, should i declare the size?
  744. # [19:07] <barh> or leave it blank?
  745. # [19:07] <Pomax> (I am not storing 2 million records in flat files. I used to. you end up writing your own B-tree system)
  746. # [19:07] <Pomax> barh, there is a datetime type in mysql. I suggest you use it.
  747. # [19:08] <Pomax> I also now suggest reading up on mysql
  748. # [19:08] <Pomax> and taking it over to #sql for further questions.
  749. # [19:08] <barh> i cant post any question on that channel
  750. # [19:08] <barh> i get error 404
  751. # [19:08] <barh> dunno why
  752. # [19:08] <barh> Error(404): #sql Cannot send to channel
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  754. # [19:10] <Pomax> then join #mysql
  755. # [19:10] <Pomax> (/list <keyword> is your friend on IRC servers. Also, /list is your enemy)
  756. # [19:11] <barh> Error(404): #mysql Cannot send to channel
  757. # [19:11] <barh> o,O
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  762. # [19:13] <Pomax> get a better IRC client? O_o
  763. # [19:13] <Conexion> I don't know if it is relevant but are you identified with NickServ?
  764. # [19:13] <Pomax> or look at the modes. If +m is set you cannot talk unless you've been voiced.
  765. # [19:14] <Pomax> if +r is set, you need to have a registered nickname to talk.
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  767. # [19:14] <Conexion> I have no issues joining those channels
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  840. # [19:59] <rhelic> don't mind me, I'm just in my sprint meeting, via phone conference
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  856. # [20:07] <henrikl> Has there been done any work relating to augmented reality as overlays to the VIDEO element? I have a geopositioned video with compass direction, as well as several POIs which are geopositioned, and I'm trying to translate the POIs position to a relative position on top of the video overlay. Does anyone have any good links for me to check out?
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  858. # [20:08] <rhelic> henrikl: what are you overlaying, video from a mobile camera?
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  860. # [20:09] <henrikl> rhelic: Nope, it's for a live broadcast on a website. So I'm constantly getting an updated geoposition of the live video, and I have prefilled list of all the POIs that I want to overlay on the video when they're actually inside the viewport.
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  862. # [20:10] <martndemus> Ovarlay an canvas over it?
  863. # [20:10] <martndemus> (or svg, whatever floats your boat)
  864. # [20:10] <henrikl> martndemus: Yeah, for example. I'm just a bit lost when it comes to actually translating the geoposition to a relative pixel position on top of the video
  865. # [20:11] <martndemus> (hell you can even overlay regular elements)
  866. # [20:11] <martndemus> henrikl: well the coordinates are kind of x,y coordinates
  867. # [20:11] <martndemus> except that the earth isnt flat
  868. # [20:12] <martndemus> (if yours is, then it should be easy)
  869. # [20:13] <henrikl> martndemus: Hehe, unfortunately, mine isn't either. Most of the POIs are more or less on the same altitude, though
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  871. # [20:14] <henrikl> martndemus: Do you by any chance know of any resources that explains the mathematics involved in the translation?
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  873. # [20:14] <martndemus> well i know a source that helps you calculate the distance between coordinates A & B in a 'straight' line
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  877. # [20:16] <martndemus> but pretty much what you want is to know what coordinate is at the closest center point towards the viewer
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  879. # [20:16] <moo^_^> henrikl: yes
  880. # [20:16] <henrikl> martndemus: right :)
  881. # [20:17] <moo^_^> henrikl: google maps has good APIs handling geolocation data
  882. # [20:17] <moo^_^> but there are free libraries also
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  885. # [20:17] <martndemus> and then from there calculate how far the coordinate you want moved in the x plane only
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  887. # [20:18] <Conexion> Well, translating 3D points onto a 2D surface isn't too difficult, but it depends on how accurate the data you're getting is and what format the data you're getting is in
  888. # [20:18] <martndemus> you can use pythagorian A^2 + B^2 = C^2 for that
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  894. # [20:20] <henrikl> Conexion, martndemus: The POI-data is rather accurate, and the current video location is very accurate (from a Arduino-based GPS-system).
  895. # [20:20] <henrikl> pythagorian, of course. I'll have to brush up on my math. :)
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  899. # [20:20] <Pomax> which shield are you using?
  900. # [20:21] <Pomax> adafruit?
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  902. # [20:21] <Conexion> <3 my Arduino. The data you're receiving - Are they distance coordinates from the camera, latitude/longitude/altitude, etc?
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  904. # [20:22] <henrikl> Pomax: A colleague of mine is building the unit – but he's using a generic GPS, not something built for the Arduino itself
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  908. # [20:23] <henrikl> Conexion: The data is from the vessel that holds the camera, that's correct. Both the broadcast and the GPS data are stored with a syncronized timestamp
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  910. # [20:23] <martndemus> Btw: has anyone here ever wrangled with jekyll?
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  923. # [20:41] <Pomax> not beyond using gh-pages
  924. # [20:41] <martndemus> hmm
  925. # [20:41] <martndemus> i would like to know if you could use jekyll to spit out JSON instead of html
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  928. # [20:42] <rhelic> martndemus: I've never heard of jekyll but 5secs of Google makes me think that's a strong NO
  929. # [20:43] <martndemus> yeah, i cant find it either
  930. # [20:43] <rhelic> heck, looks like jekyll devs rarely even read JSON, outputting it isn't even mentioned
  931. # [20:43] <martndemus> would love a cool framework that generates HTML + JSON
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  933. # [20:43] <rhelic> but hey, why can't you just write your own output functions to do so?
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  935. # [20:44] <martndemus> well, it's worrth checking it's possible before writing something on your own
  936. # [20:45] <martndemus> i can propably get away with a script that changes .html to .json
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  938. # [20:47] <rhelic> you're not making a lot of sense, HTML is a formatting syntax, JSON is a data syntax
  939. # [20:47] <rhelic> you are implying HTML -> JSON and that makes as much sense as Apple -> Motorway
  940. # [20:48] <martndemus> rhelic, i can propably cheat jekyll into templating my data into JSON, but it will output it as an .html file (with only formatted json in it) and then have a script that renames the file extension
  941. # [20:49] <rhelic> well it sounds like your trying to hammer a screw in... right tool for the job
  942. # [20:49] <martndemus> =D
  943. # [20:49] <rhelic> jekyll is for outputting HTML markup, and trying to abuse it to output JSON is a bad idea
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  945. # [20:49] <ryan_tait> Anyone able to demonstrate how to use an svg image blahblah.svg within canvas? Or point me to a good resource.. i've been googlin with no luck... or would i sinmply use an svg elemant and manipulate that?
  946. # [20:50] <ryan_tait> yikes nice typing
  947. # [20:50] <rhelic> it's good enough, this isn't #english_class
  948. # [20:50] <ryan_tait> haha thanks
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  950. # [20:53] <Conexion> Purposefully communicating poorly isn't really an effective way of getting help =/
  951. # [20:54] <Conexion> It depends on what you're trying to accomplish - What are you trying to do and why wouldn't you simply manipulate an SVG element?
  952. # [20:55] <ryan_tait> basically just want to take a wheel image in svg format and make it spin
  953. # [20:55] <ryan_tait> just looking to try using canvas or svg and find a nice lil tutorial
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  955. # [20:59] <Conexion> You could just draw a wheel in svg and spin it using CSS transitions
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  979. # [21:04] <ryan_tait> hmm yeah i thought abouht that... its a pretty complex wheel though.. im just trying to load the svg graphic in possibly an object element but not sure how to bring it in as an object to the javascript
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  989. # [21:22] <Pomax> it doesn't really matter how complex the SVG is, as long as you can load it using <svg>, you can CSS-rotate the hell out of it.
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  992. # [21:23] <ryan_tait> thanks guys I was able to get it :)
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  1040. # [23:10] <trsohmers> Greetings, Programs
  1041. # [23:13] <trsohmers> Is anyone here familiar with HTML5's geolocalization features?
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  1046. # [23:17] <wabism> trsohmers: ask
  1047. # [23:17] <rhelic> there are a few tutorials out there
  1048. # [23:18] <rhelic> if you have a specific question, ask, but if you want the basics, go read up
  1049. # [23:18] <trsohmers> rhelic: Yea… well I am looking for something very specific
  1050. # [23:18] <trsohmers> from what I have read, it bases the location information based on a variety of factors… including the device's Bluetooth and Wifi MAC addresses
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  1052. # [23:19] <trsohmers> I wanted to know if it is possible to be able to get the devices MAC addresses...
  1053. # [23:19] <rhelic> I doubt you can, unless you did something outside of JS/HTML
  1054. # [23:20] <rhelic> like Java, or some custom server side stuff
  1055. # [23:20] <rhelic> keep in mind, most users are behind NATs, so you get the NAT's MAC, not the exact user
  1056. # [23:20] <trsohmers> Hmm
  1057. # [23:21] <rhelic> and by most, I pretty much mean all, probably mobile users are the only ones not behind a NAT
  1058. # [23:21] <rhelic> home users are NAT'd, especially wireless
  1059. # [23:21] <rhelic> biz users all are
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  1061. # [23:22] <rhelic> so you can have multiple ppl with the same MAC... and that's assuming you can capture it
  1062. # [23:22] <rhelic> iow, it's pretty useless, why?
  1063. # [23:22] <trsohmers> User identification for a localization system I am working on...
  1064. # [23:23] <rhelic> I don't see how MAC has anything to do with location
  1065. # [23:23] <rhelic> are you just looking for an absolute way to be sure somebody is the same user, like perhaps later on?
  1066. # [23:23] <trsohmers> Yes
  1067. # [23:23] <rhelic> dude,. just use EverCookie
  1068. # [23:24] <rhelic> lol, when you have a problem, ask the core question
  1069. # [23:24] <rhelic> not about some specific hack you're pondering
  1070. # [23:24] <trsohmers> I can't really go into specifics, sorry :|
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  1072. # [23:24] <rhelic> if it's web based, EverCookie does exactly what you want
  1073. # [23:24] <trsohmers> Thing is I _need_ the Bluetooth MAC address from a mobile device for this project
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  1075. # [23:25] <trsohmers> Do you mind sending you a PM?
  1076. # [23:25] <trsohmers> mind me sending you*
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  1080. # [23:27] <rhelic> I can't help you with what you're trying, this is as far as I can go
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  1083. # [23:29] <trsohmers> Well, thanks for your help… now for more research
  1084. # [23:29] <rhelic> you really need a native app, not a web page
  1085. # [23:30] <rhelic> and even then, you might not have access to that internal info, especially on iOS
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