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  1. # Session Start: Sat Jan 21 00:00:00 2012
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  22. # [00:26] <andrewjbaker> Hi all.
  23. # [00:26] <tw2113> yo
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  25. # [00:26] <andrewjbaker> Right...
  26. # [00:26] <andrewjbaker> Hold onto your seats...
  27. # [00:26] * andrewjbaker has an ***AUDIO*** question.^^
  28. # [00:27] <tw2113> *falls off anyway*
  29. # [00:27] <andrewjbaker> LOL.
  30. # [00:27] <paul_irish> o.o
  31. # [00:28] <andrewjbaker> Anyone know if it's possible to check for wav playback on iPad where it's assigned using data URI?
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  33. # [00:28] <paul_irish> you're saying a canPlayType() check isnt good enough?
  34. # [00:28] <andrewjbaker> Yes.
  35. # [00:28] <paul_irish> if (Modernizr.audio.wav)
  36. # [00:28] <andrewjbaker> That's not enough.
  37. # [00:28] <paul_irish> why nottttt
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  39. # [00:29] <andrewjbaker> Because iPads do support it... but some versions of iOS are displaying a modal dialog when trying to play sounds assigned using data URI.
  40. # [00:30] <andrewjbaker> 'Support it' being audio/wav.
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  43. # [00:32] <andrewjbaker> I've wrapped calls to play() in try..catch and it doesn't appear to throwing an exception either.
  44. # [00:34] <andrewjbaker> Modal dialog reads: Operation could not be completed.
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  51. # [00:43] <andrewjbaker> paul_irish, http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=39713
  52. # [00:43] <andrewjbaker> paul_irish, comment 13.
  53. # [00:48] <andrewjbaker> Status: WontFix. :-(
  54. # [00:53] <andrewjbaker> If you have an iPad and attempt to use this library, you might see the dialog. http://www.egonelbre.com/js/jsfx/
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  91. # [02:02] <paul_irish> andrewjbaker: you should talk with ofmlabs
  92. # [02:03] <andrewjbaker> ofmlabs?
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  94. # [02:04] <andrewjbaker> Got 'em.
  95. # [02:04] <paul_irish> channel here and look them up
  96. # [02:05] <andrewjbaker> Thx mate, will do.
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  98. # [02:07] <andrewjbaker> paul_irish, I'll feed back anything I find out that might be relevant to modernizr. ;-)
  99. # [02:08] <paul_irish> if (Modernizr.audio.wav) { Modernizr.audio.wav = new Boolean(true); Modernizr.audio.wav.datauri = .......
  100. # [02:08] <paul_irish> :p
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  102. # [02:10] <andrewjbaker> ?
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  105. # [02:10] <andrewjbaker> Depends on the logic used to set Modernizr.audio.wav doesn't it?
  106. # [02:12] <andrewjbaker> If it's only basing it on canPlayType(), still a prob.
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  126. # [03:21] <aitiba_> hi
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  128. # [03:22] <aitiba_> I have some problem with web sql on firefox and on chrome. I dont know why I call a function and the navigator are not going to tthat function
  129. # [03:23] <aitiba_> on opera goes well and I dont have any js error
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  190. # [05:11] <grantg> WTF stumbleupon
  191. # [05:11] <grantg> http://i.imgur.com/jQ8Rs.png
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  193. # [05:15] <andrewjbaker> grantg, wahoo! Congratz dude.
  194. # [05:15] <grantg> WHY THOUGH?
  195. # [05:15] <andrewjbaker> Nostalgia.
  196. # [05:15] <grantg> RANDOM HITS FROM NOWHERE
  197. # [05:15] <grantg> 0-full DDoS in 0 time
  198. # [05:16] <tw2113> people love you
  199. # [05:16] <grantg> :I
  200. # [05:16] <andrewjbaker> Popularity's a bitch.
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  202. # [05:16] <grantg> It just happened
  203. # [05:16] <tw2113> did your site go down?
  204. # [05:16] <grantg> Let me check
  205. # [05:16] <grantg> seriously just happened
  206. # [05:17] <grantg> look at that visitor curve
  207. # [05:17] <andrewjbaker> Points to stumbleup, doesn't it?
  208. # [05:17] <andrewjbaker> stubmleupon
  209. # [05:17] <andrewjbaker> Yeah... you get the idea.
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  211. # [05:18] <grantg> BUT WHY SO SUDDEN?
  212. # [05:18] <tw2113> I'm not sure which is worse...a sudden hit like that, or the fact there are that many people doing emulators on a friday night
  213. # [05:18] <grantg> seriously
  214. # [05:19] <tw2113> maybe they're doing group gaming with online gameboy
  215. # [05:19] <andrewjbaker> tw2113, lol.
  216. # [05:19] <grantg> lol
  217. # [05:19] <grantg> :|
  218. # [05:19] <tw2113> cheering "come on! get those metroids!"
  219. # [05:20] <tw2113> "dude, you suck at Legend of Zelda"
  220. # [05:20] <grantg> Fucking Internet man
  221. # [05:20] <tw2113> you can't explain it
  222. # [05:20] <grantg> went from empty to full in under two minutes
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  224. # [05:22] <grantg> no, seriously, WTF
  225. # [05:22] <tw2113> it's like the Digg effect with Stumbleupon
  226. # [05:22] <grantg> Digg ಠ_ಠ
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  230. # [05:25] <grantg> lol 45 pageview per second spike
  231. # [05:25] <grantg> wtf
  232. # [05:25] <grantg> Thank god it's a static html page
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  281. # [06:44] <tw2113> it probably got posted there
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  283. # [06:45] <grantg> NO SHIT
  284. # [06:46] <JonathanNeal> hi
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  286. # [06:47] <grantg> :I
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  387. # [12:02] <jarek> I mean a library for storing and retrieving configuration data
  388. # [12:04] <jarek> with backend that could use e.g. localStorage, IndexDB
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  437. # [14:18] <jetienne> in javascript, when i do "var a= 3, b = a+1;", am i sure b will be 4 ? is the order garanteed ?
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  439. # [14:35] <root66> yes
  440. # [14:35] <root66> in any language
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  449. # [14:54] <jetienne> root66: you havent checked the spec. correct ?
  450. # [14:58] <root66> no, I have just been coding for a long time and never seen a language that it wouldn't work in
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  517. # [17:24] <saorel> Hello
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  519. # [17:25] <saorel> I'm writing a small software with HTML5 and websocket
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  521. # [17:27] <saorel> and I don't understand why there is an error when I try to connect me to the server
  522. # [17:27] <saorel> In my shell, the error is : Error during WebSocket handshake: 'Sec-WebSocket-Accept' header is missing
  523. # [17:28] <saorel> Could You help me please ?
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  526. # [17:33] <Pomax> does https://github.com/miksago/node-websocket-server/issues/71 help?
  527. # [17:33] <socialhapy> ★ Issue #71 on node-websocket-server, reported by superfeedr (5m, 2w ago): Issue with Chrome 15
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  538. # [17:51] <jarek> Hello
  539. # [17:53] <jarek> appending over 100 children is faster when the parent element is removed from the DOM during the operation
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  541. # [17:53] <saorel> Pomax thanks I am going to test with an old version of chromium
  542. # [17:54] <jarek> so it makes sense to always remove element when doing heavy DOM manipulation
  543. # [17:54] <jarek> the problem is that it's tricky to bring the element back into its original position
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  545. # [17:55] <jarek> is it possible to implement hide/show methods that could remember exact position of the node in dom tree?
  546. # [17:59] <aitiba> Why with this code on chrome is not creating the table notes and is not giving me any error? http://pastebin.com/2EKgiaBM
  547. # [18:00] <Pomax> jarek, remove the element and record it's nextSibling
  548. # [18:01] <Pomax> then use parent.insertBefore(original, sibling)
  549. # [18:01] <jarek> saorel: you should be using https://github.com/LearnBoost/websocket.io, it's the best WebSockets module for Node.js
  550. # [18:01] <Pomax> and if there is no next sibling, you can fall back to appendChild
  551. # [18:02] <saorel> jarek: For the moment, I developpe from scratch my server and my client
  552. # [18:02] <saorel> I read some tutorials and I code a test
  553. # [18:02] <jarek> Pomax: ahh, neat
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  559. # [18:03] <jarek> Pomax: and if element not have next sibling I will have to record the parent and use appendChild
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  562. # [18:03] <jarek> s/not have/does not have
  563. # [18:03] <Pomax> correct. So make sure to record both parent and nextsibling.
  564. # [18:03] <Pomax> because both are blanked once you remove the node =)
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  566. # [18:05] <jarek> saorel: you are writing yet another WebSockets server? :P
  567. # [18:05] <jarek> saorel: there is already a dozen of them
  568. # [18:06] <saorel> jarek: Is there one easy in python ?
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  570. # [18:07] <jarek> saorel: no idea about python, but there are at least 5 implementations for Node.js
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  572. # [18:07] <jarek> but I have found websocket.io to be the only one fully usable
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  577. # [18:17] <saorel> jarek: oki thanks, I make a clone of the project
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  586. # [18:36] <aitiba> someone that is familiar with web sql api can help me please?
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  590. # [18:38] <Pomax> no, because web sql no longer exists.
  591. # [18:39] <Pomax> it was deprecated when no one could agree on what it should do, exactly, and not enough people could justify the need for SQL. Instead you get indexedDB
  592. # [18:39] <Pomax> http://www.w3.org/TR/IndexedDB/
  593. # [18:40] <aitiba> Pomax: I know that but I cant use indexed db on safar for example
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  595. # [18:43] <jarek> aitiba: IndexedDB already ships with WebKit, it
  596. # [18:43] <jarek> it's just a matter of time when it will be available in Safari
  597. # [18:44] <aitiba> jarek: I konw that is a matter of time but I need know taht app goes on safari
  598. # [18:45] <aitiba> looking on canIuse say that on safary doesnt go indexed db
  599. # [18:45] <jarek> aitiba: have you thought about using localStorage?
  600. # [18:46] <aitiba> I need something to separe things
  601. # [18:46] <jarek> you can store any JSON structure in localStorage
  602. # [18:47] <aitiba> arecould you show me an example please?
  603. # [18:47] <jarek> though it would not be as efficient as IndexedDB if you need to query data a lot
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  605. # [18:49] <aitiba> jarek: could you show me an example of that please?
  606. # [18:50] <jarek> aitiba: I use those two helper functions in Coffeescript: https://gist.github.com/1653401
  607. # [18:50] <jarek> aitiba: so that I could e.g. store a javascript object like this:
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  609. # [18:50] <jarek> > localStorage.set person, {name: 'John", age: '21'}
  610. # [18:50] <hsbot> <hint>:1:24: parse error on input `,'
  611. # [18:51] <jarek> > localStorage.set 'person', {name: 'John", age: '21'}
  612. # [18:51] <hsbot> <hint>:1:20: lexical error in string/character literal at character 'e'
  613. # [18:51] <Ms2ger> ' vs "
  614. # [18:52] <ghinda> any ideea why eval, or native json.parse won't parse a perfectly valid json? checked in json lint.
  615. # [18:52] <Ms2ger> Maybe json lint is wrong?
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  620. # [18:54] <jarek> > x for x in [0...3]
  621. # [18:54] <hsbot> <hint>:1:9: parse error on input `in'
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  623. # [18:54] <ghinda> also tried in http://json.parser.online.fr/, and it's also able to parse it corectly, no errors
  624. # [18:54] <jarek> hsbot can't talk CoffeeScript ;(
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  627. # [18:55] <Ms2ger> ghinda, I'm afraid I can't tell you what's wrong if I don't see the code ;)
  628. # [18:55] <jarek> btw, why JSON.parse() does not return exact line numbers when it fails?
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  630. # [18:56] <ghinda> Ms2ger: this is the json, http://pastebin.com/U1grz75n
  631. # [18:57] <jarek> on Chrome I'm getting errors such as "Unexpected token <random sign here" if the file is malformed
  632. # [18:57] <ghinda> Ms2ger: and thanks for taking a look
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  637. # [19:02] <aitiba> jarek: I have some basci exmaple running saving data as strign and as json :D
  638. # [19:02] <aitiba> you say that I would have one json object per thing that I need?
  639. # [19:03] <jarek> aitiba: what do you mean by "thing"?
  640. # [19:03] <aitiba> I have diferrent element, objects like note, log and user
  641. # [19:04] <jarek> yeah, it would make sense to keep them as localStorage.log, localStorage.user, etc...
  642. # [19:05] <jarek> aitiba: just make sure you won't exceed the 5MB limit
  643. # [19:05] <jarek> or something around that
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  646. # [19:15] <Ms2ger> ghinda, so JSON.parse('{ "a": "\"" }') fails...
  647. # [19:15] <Ms2ger> Turns out that you need to double-escape
  648. # [19:16] <Ms2ger> As in, '"\\""'
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  650. # [19:16] <ghinda> Ms2ger: I can't modify the reponse, since it's from a 3rd party web service. but I ended up not doing any JSON.parse, and just doing var = response, and that worked.
  651. # [19:16] <Ms2ger> \o/
  652. # [19:21] <ghinda> Ms2ger: actualy, I assigned it (as on object, not string), stringified it, then parsed it again. only thing that worked. crazy
  653. # [19:21] <Ms2ger> Lovely
  654. # [19:22] <ghinda> Ms2ger: yeah, wat
  655. # [19:26] <aitiba> localstorage infromation is losed when the user cloe the browser?
  656. # [19:26] <ghinda> aitiba: nope, only when he delets it himself
  657. # [19:26] <aitiba> ghinda: the way to elete taht info is with clear() right?
  658. # [19:27] <aitiba> delete*
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  660. # [19:27] <aitiba> or removeItem()
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  662. # [19:27] <ghinda> aitiba: yeah
  663. # [19:28] <ghinda> aitiba: or the user can remove it from the clear cache dialogs
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  667. # [19:29] <aitiba> ghinda: thanks!
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  754. # [22:18] <statarb3> is this possible with only html5 http://yuilibrary.com/yui/docs/autocomplete/ac-yql.html
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  757. # [22:20] <tw2113> what do you mean by just hml5? the markup alone?
  758. # [22:20] <tw2113> or the APIs that use js for a lot of things?
  759. # [22:20] <tw2113> or do you mean not with YUI?
  760. # [22:21] <statarb3> the last not with YUI
  761. # [22:22] <tw2113> dunno, you'd probably have to set up your own source file for autocomplete suggestions
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  772. # [23:10] <Pomax> paul_irish: JavaScript new Font() object with an onload notifier, similar to new Image() for images. Useful? http://pomax.nihongoresources.com/pages/Font.js
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