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  145. # [04:56] <techrush> random thought: this channel is too broad of a topic to attract a lot of real interest
  146. # [04:56] <techrush> "HTML 5" means so much that everyone is talking about their more specific issues in the channels respective to those technologies
  147. # [04:59] <Pomax> that's what we have language for. people come in, ask whether it's for what they think html5 means, and then we say "yes" and have fascinating conversations
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  209. # [08:58] <jair> hello there, I have a pretty large .png file that will be the page I want to show up as my index.html I am trying to add the .png file as image but it is not showing up :(
  210. # [08:59] <materialdesigner> <img src="/path/to/image.png" />
  211. # [09:00] <jair> I put that in the page this is what I have hold on, maybe I need to create a div...
  212. # [09:00] <materialdesigner> nope, no need for a div
  213. # [09:01] <jair> please check this ---> http://paste.debian.net/153161
  214. # [09:01] <jair> that is what I have in the index page
  215. # [09:02] <jair> hold on I will upload the page in the real hosting server
  216. # [09:02] <materialdesigner> well, first off, your <meta> tag is incorrect for an HTML5 doctype
  217. # [09:02] <materialdesigner> but that doesn't really matter
  218. # [09:03] <materialdesigner> is the image showing up at all? have you made sure the path is correct? if not, try an absolute path like http://www.whatever.com/images/flikseel.png
  219. # [09:04] <jair> ok trying now
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  221. # [09:06] <jair> materialdesigner: looks like it works now :) please check www.plumswap.com
  222. # [09:06] <jair> materialdesigner: I have another question you may be able to point me to the right place
  223. # [09:06] <materialdesigner> sure
  224. # [09:09] <jair> the picture covers some part of the page because it is an specific size. If I want the wrapper to be color black how can I do that? that way I can have the fliksee png in the middle and the rest of the page will be a wrapper with a body or background black?
  225. # [09:10] <materialdesigner> html { background: black; }
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  227. # [09:13] <jair> this will be an html5 tag or ccs3?
  228. # [09:13] <jair> also you said that the <meta> tag was incorrect?
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  231. # [09:15] <materialdesigner> it's in css
  232. # [09:15] <materialdesigner> and yeah, the <meta> tag is the old syntax as you currently have it
  233. # [09:16] <jair> what will be the new one with CSS3?
  234. # [09:16] <jair> and html5
  235. # [09:16] <materialdesigner> look up "meta tag html5"
  236. # [09:16] <jair> ok
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  238. # [09:20] <jair> you mean just to put this two lines ---> <meta charset="UTF-8"/>
  239. # [09:21] <jair> that's it instead of all the stuff I have in front
  240. # [09:22] <jair> or this one --> <meta name="keywords" content="HTML,CSS,XML,JavaScript" />
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  242. # [09:22] <jair> but I really don't understand what this lines do?
  243. # [09:24] <jair> materialdesigner: ?
  244. # [09:24] <Ms2ger> As it happens, materialdesigner isn't entirely correct; your charset declaration is perfectly fine in HTML5
  245. # [09:24] <jair> Ms2ger: hmmm now I am confuse :(
  246. # [09:24] <jair> Ms2ger: I am normally following what w3 schools say
  247. # [09:24] <Ms2ger> I wouldn't recommend that
  248. # [09:24] <materialdesigner> hmm, Ms2ger, I'm not sure I agree.
  249. # [09:25] <Ms2ger> They tend to be rather confused too
  250. # [09:25] <materialdesigner> html5 should be <meta charset="utf-8">
  251. # [09:25] <jair> w3schools?
  252. # [09:25] <Ms2ger> materialdesigner, either is fine, but I guess you can say the short form is nicer
  253. # [09:25] <jair> got that just like w3schools indicate
  254. # [09:25] <Ms2ger> jair, yes
  255. # [09:25] <materialdesigner> fair enough
  256. # [09:26] <jair> go it then w3schools will be the way to go :) thank you, so I will add the tag you told me on css to get the background black
  257. # [09:31] <jair> if the div is id="wrapper" I should use something else other than just this line on the style.css file -->html { background: black; }
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  262. # [09:49] <jair> hello guys if I use css3 margin auto in left and right shouldn't I get the image or logo right in the middle of the page?
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  266. # [09:57] <jair> what i don't understand yet is why in the mobile phones, android and iphone the page and image looks in the middle but in the computer looks like is aligned to the left :(
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  402. # [16:46] <moo^_^> aitiba: btw websql is going to die http://www.w3.org/TR/webdatabase/
  403. # [16:46] <moo^_^> most likely
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  408. # [16:54] <Jayflux> how are people mixing twitter bootstrap and HTML5BP ?
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  411. # [16:56] <divya> whats the problem in mixing Jayflux?
  412. # [16:57] <Jayflux> I didn't say there was a problem, I was wondering how people are going about doing it
  413. # [16:57] <Jayflux> Because I've seen different ways so far.
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  419. # [17:08] <aitiba> moo^_^: yes I know that but indexed db is only supported by fiefox now for that reason i¡m using web sql. If I use local storage i only have 5 megas
  420. # [17:09] <aitiba> do I explain myself?
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  424. # [17:13] <divya> Jayflux: what are the different ways?
  425. # [17:14] <Jayflux> divya including the BP css first, TW-boostrap second, then custom css third
  426. # [17:15] <Jayflux> others have taken stuff out of TW-boostrap
  427. # [17:15] <divya> sounds good to me.
  428. # [17:15] <Jayflux> which one sounds good, the first one I said?
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  430. # [17:16] <divya> yeah
  431. # [17:18] <Jayflux> ok cool
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  433. # [17:23] <aitiba> What is wrong on that web sql? http://pastebin.com/62Bxk1AK I use web sql because I need more than 5 megas of cache
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  437. # [17:24] <divya> Jayflux: http://www.quora.com/Is-Bootstrap-a-complement-OR-an-alternative-to-HTML5-Boilerplate-or-viceversa
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  480. # [19:35] <remysharp> I know this is the wrong channel for this question, but: anyone know for sure whether WebSockets are supported in Android 2.x?
  481. # [19:36] <JakeA> remysharp: When seb did his fancy mobile screen flashing demo at fronteers he was using flash for websocket behaviour on android
  482. # [19:37] <remysharp> JakeA: thought so. cheers.
  483. # [19:38] <JakeA> http://caniuse.com/ might have the final word
  484. # [19:38] <JakeA> But I can't access it for some reason, presume some dns has gone wonky
  485. # [19:38] <remysharp> cheers - I didn't realise sockets hadn't landed at all in Android (that said, it's why I use eventsource + postmessage on the jsconsole remote control)
  486. # [19:39] <JakeA> In exchange, I don't suppose you know why appcache files do the byte-for-byte check rather then relying on normal cache headers to decide if files need fetching?
  487. # [19:40] <remysharp> because the validation on appcache is batshit crazy
  488. # [19:41] <JakeA> hah, yep
  489. # [19:41] <remysharp> IIRC the appcache does respect the not-modified header and doesn't re-request
  490. # [19:41] <remysharp> not 302 but sounds like 302
  491. # [19:41] <remysharp> ... in my head
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  493. # [19:41] <remysharp> maybe it is 302
  494. # [19:42] <remysharp> or maybe that's a hotel door number of some place I stayed at...
  495. # [19:42] <JakeA> shit my mind's gone blank
  496. # [19:42] <JakeA> 304
  497. # [19:42] <remysharp> 304
  498. # [19:42] <remysharp> yep - that's the puppy
  499. # [19:43] <remysharp> I thought that the appcache sends a head request and if it gets a 304 it pulls it from the browser cache
  500. # [19:43] <JakeA> Yeah, but it won't even try that unless some text has changed in the appcache file
  501. # [19:44] <JakeA> which just seems like a pointless layer of caching behaviour… there *must* be a reason for it
  502. # [19:44] <JakeA> unless there isn't, and it's just nuts
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  504. # [19:45] <remysharp> oh - you mean the trigger for it to change
  505. # [19:45] <remysharp> yeah, it's actually in the spec though
  506. # [19:46] <JakeA> yeah, just don't know what purpose it serves
  507. # [19:46] <remysharp> took me fucking ages to work that out - mostly by bugging the #whatwg channel
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  509. # [19:46] <remysharp> well - that plus, the header, plus the filename, plus the manifest attrib, plus the note from it's mum, plus the label on it's underwear....
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  511. # [19:48] <JakeA> It's a jolly fun spec
  512. # [19:49] <moo^_^> ongoing finnish presidental election in HTML5
  513. # [19:49] <moo^_^> http://beta.yle.fi/pressanvaalit_2012/
  514. # [19:49] <moo^_^> click "sivakoikaa"
  515. # [19:52] <Pomax> I still maintain finland likes vowels a tad too much
  516. # [19:53] <Pomax> we might have 22 of them in dutch, but at least we pace ourselves with some consonants
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  524. # [19:58] <mathi> hi
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  526. # [19:59] <mathi> I made an application that I want to be accessible offline, using application cache and indexedDB
  527. # [19:59] <mathi> it works fine on chrome
  528. # [19:59] <mathi> but in Firefox the application cache is not working
  529. # [19:59] <mathi> and honestly I do not know how to ebug it, as there are no tools to view the application cache
  530. # [20:01] <mathi> the strange thing is that I can't see any directory "OfflineCache" in my file system
  531. # [20:01] <mathi> my Firefox version is 9.0.1 (latest)
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  536. # [20:04] <Pomax> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Offline_resources_in_Firefox#Storage_location_and_clearing_the_offline_cache ?
  537. # [20:05] <mathi> yes I have read that
  538. # [20:05] <mathi> but as I said
  539. # [20:06] <mathi> no "OfflineCache" directory at all
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  541. # [20:06] <Pomax> no errors in the web console a la "cannot write cache" or something?
  542. # [20:07] <mathi> nothing
  543. # [20:08] <mathi> I can see with http live headers that the appcache file is being downloaded
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  545. # [20:08] <moo^_^> mathi: I suggest you install latest Aurora build of FF as a secondary browser and run it with clean profile
  546. # [20:08] <mathi> ok
  547. # [20:08] <moo^_^> they have little better support & debugging tools
  548. # [20:08] <mathi> must go eat, be back later, thanks
  549. # [20:08] <moo^_^> it might help you to poke the problem
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  551. # [20:15] <paul_irish> divya and i are working on HTML5 Please in #html5please in case anyone wants to join or watch
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  569. # [20:41] <jetienne> http://get.webgl.org needs a better look. if you know how to design, @greggman asks your help :)
  570. # [20:41] <jetienne> https://github.com/mrdoob/three.js/issues/1126#issuecomment-3571848
  571. # [20:42] <socialhapy> ★ Issue #1126 on three.js, reported by remoe (5d, 8m ago): Offtopic: Checking and updating graphiccard driver for WebGL App ?
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  578. # [21:02] <remysharp> anyone know (again, probably wrong channel) if "data:text/html,<p>foo" works in IE8 (since it's supposed to have dataurl support)
  579. # [21:03] <remysharp> (easy test - pop it in the browser - I just don't have windows to hand today)
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  583. # [21:08] <tw2113> i don't have windows handly without rebooting, and even then IE8 would be resorted to IETester
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  587. # [21:11] <tw2113> http://i.imgur.com/Op8SO.jpg webdev related
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  603. # [21:40] <manuchill> anyone interested here in doing a workshop (for about 3.5 hours) next friday in Belgium?
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  605. # [21:41] <manuchill> we have a cancellation and looking for a replacement who's willing to do a workshop on HTML5
  606. # [21:43] <manuchill> Thorsten Rinne cancelled and had planned to cover the "HTML 5 for PHP developers"
  607. # [21:45] <mzulinsky> unique PSD TEMPLATE for corporate website FOR SALE, simply & clean & fresh. More prv me.
  608. # [21:45] <paul_irish> lol
  609. # [21:45] <mzulinsky> sorr
  610. # [21:45] <mzulinsky> y
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  612. # [21:50] <eighty4> hey paul_irish you're on conect.me. Is it any good?
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  618. # [22:03] <paul_irish> i am?
  619. # [22:03] <paul_irish> well i am now
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  621. # [22:04] <paul_irish> looks weird.
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  623. # [22:11] <eighty4> paul_irish: Still trying to understand it
  624. # [22:11] <eighty4> looked like you were using it
  625. # [22:12] <eighty4> Mind if I vouch for you?
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  627. # [22:19] <paul_irish> go wild
  628. # [22:19] <paul_irish> :)
  629. # [22:24] <eighty4> there we go, I need to vouch for ten people to become verified. I want my tags!
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  640. # [22:36] <Jayflux> eighty4 whats connect.me all about?
  641. # [22:36] <Jayflux> paul_irish i like the new dev tools function search features
  642. # [22:37] <eighty4> Jayflux: not really sure :)
  643. # [22:37] <eighty4> Jayflux: you vouch for people in the network and build up a rep
  644. # [22:37] <eighty4> you find people that might be useful
  645. # [22:37] <Jayflux> I see
  646. # [22:37] <eighty4> oh… my chrome is completly broke atm :(
  647. # [22:38] <eighty4> keeps reloading pages every second
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  663. # [22:49] <ldiamond> When using the history API, if you browse directly to a "sub" url (by typing directly), it will always still make a request to the server. Even if the server returns the main website, it won't run the appropriate javascript to get in the correct state for that "sub" url. How do we fix this?
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  665. # [22:52] <divya> use backbone?
  666. # [22:56] <ldiamond> well, I can use path.js
  667. # [22:56] <ldiamond> but still, wtf?
  668. # [22:58] <ldiamond> backbone seems too heavy given that I already use mootools
  669. # [22:58] <ldiamond> most stuff I already have available
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  674. # [23:08] <paul_irish> sooo heavy
  675. # [23:08] <paul_irish> :/
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  680. # [23:19] <jarek> what's the best JS animation framework that uses CSS3 animations?
  681. # [23:19] <jarek> writing code like "element.style.webkitTransform = 'translateY(50px)'" gets a bit messy
  682. # [23:20] <jarek> especially when several browsers have to be supported
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