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  35. # [00:48] <acidjazz> whats hte sweetest canvas framework out there these days
  36. # [00:50] <rhelic> ask a specific question
  37. # [00:50] <rhelic> you might as well have said best
  38. # [00:50] <rhelic> which is also ambigious
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  43. # [00:54] <iris7> tap tap is this thing on...?
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  45. # [00:55] <tantek> acidjazz - you might be able to find out the opposite by asking slightlyoff (Paul_Irish, does he ever hang out in here) about desugaring.
  46. # [00:57] <iris7> decisions, decisions..... what are they major benefits of using CSS3 instead of a traditional transparent PNG for shadows and certain effects.... ( aside from smaller page sizes )...
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  48. # [00:58] <tantek> iris7 - potentially fewer HTTP requests, unless you use a data URL for your PNG.
  49. # [00:58] <tantek> they likely have different hardware optimization characteristics as well
  50. # [00:58] <tantek> (implementation dependent)
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  52. # [01:00] <iris7> i have a project that MUST support IE6 ( we actually a huge client that uses IE6 in a lot of their offices ( boeing ) ... and I have a feeling we'll run into a lot of issues trying to implement some of the design using a CSS3 shadow / rounded box, etc
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  56. # [01:03] <OzDave_imac> there are IE scripts that temper a lot of the issues with it. You are simply going to have to fall back to graphics for somethings
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  58. # [01:04] <OzDave_imac> consider how important that drop shadow is the data entry and go lean
  59. # [01:04] <iris7> thinking thats probably the best solution... suck it up and do it with PNGs
  60. # [01:04] <OzDave_imac> yeah unfortunately
  61. # [01:04] <OzDave_imac> you can apply the shadow to the background image and make the div a bit bigger
  62. # [01:04] <OzDave_imac> streamlining it a bit
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  64. # [01:05] <OzDave_imac> http://www.virtuosimedia.com/dev/css/ultimate-ie6-cheatsheet-how-to-fix-25-internet-explorer-6-bugs
  65. # [01:05] <iris7> kickass
  66. # [01:05] <OzDave_imac> hehe
  67. # [01:06] <rhelic> on the other hand, he should be kicked from the channel for even bringing up IE6
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  69. # [01:06] <OzDave_imac> lol
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  71. # [01:07] <iris7> yeah, we're making this app which has to basically work on EVERYTHING ( mobile, ie6, etc )... I fell over in the meeting when they told me how much it would cost Boeing to upgrade some of these offices that use our current app....
  72. # [01:07] <OzDave_imac> You should probably ask to get closer numbers to that
  73. # [01:07] <rhelic> I agree
  74. # [01:07] <rhelic> You know how dumb managers are, talking to each other
  75. # [01:08] <iris7> so they aren't going to be upgrading anytime soon... I'm trying to streamline the design as much as possible now and do what I can with media queries
  76. # [01:08] <OzDave_imac> Sometimes that fear and panic is vastly outweighed and panic is caused by some know it all
  77. # [01:08] <rhelic> I have a hard time believing Boeing has IE6 users, and even if they do, they should be using FF or Chrome for normal/real work
  78. # [01:08] <rhelic> and only use IE6 when they're accessing whatever shitty ActiveX thingy they're using
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  80. # [01:09] <OzDave_imac> now we all know Boeing has a major flaw you should hope this irc chat isnt posted onthe web :P
  81. # [01:09] <rhelic> which I seriously don't believe any company is still doing anymore
  82. # [01:09] <rhelic> OzDave_imac: arguably, I would say having an OS with IE6 installed is argueably a security flaw
  83. # [01:09] <OzDave_imac> insert scambled company name next time
  84. # [01:10] <rhelic> and I'm being serious
  85. # [01:10] <iris7> good point
  86. # [01:10] <rhelic> I always update IE, even though I don't use it
  87. # [01:10] <rhelic> it's an attack vector to be out of date
  88. # [01:10] <OzDave_imac> iderp
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  99. # [01:18] <acidjazz> tantek: no idea what you just said
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  133. # [01:37] <y3di> so whats up with local databases?
  134. # [01:38] <y3di> is there any option that most browsers/android/ios support?
  135. # [01:38] <y3di> apparently websql is getting its support dropped?
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  138. # [01:40] <andrewjbaker> You should consider using Indexed DB instead.
  139. # [01:40] <y3di> i've been hearing talk of it, but apparently its not supported by any of the mobile oses?
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  141. # [01:42] <andrewjbaker> Hmm...
  142. # [01:42] <andrewjbaker> http://caniuse.com/#search=indexeddb
  143. # [01:43] <andrewjbaker> ^ not great support yet. :-s
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  145. # [01:44] <andrewjbaker> I suppose this might be a compromise, depending on your use case...
  146. # [01:44] <andrewjbaker> http://caniuse.com/#search=localstorage
  147. # [01:45] <y3di> yea it looks like localstorage might be the only option if I really wanna target every platform
  148. # [01:45] <y3di> unfortunately im kind of looking for the power of an actual db
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  150. # [01:46] <andrewjbaker> Have you checked html5please.us?
  151. # [01:47] <y3di> i havent, tho i did read about it on hn today
  152. # [01:47] <y3di> ill check it out
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  180. # [02:52] <sethuhdiah> im looking into xhr2 for monitoring progress on file downloads
  181. # [02:52] <sethuhdiah> http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/file/xhr2/
  182. # [02:54] <sethuhdiah> first of all, i see an example for upload progress but not download progress, so is download progress even available? and 2nd these files customers download are up to 1gig, is it even possible to serve them to be dynamically loaded like that
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  300. # [06:36] <Lirodon> Is anyone here good with Projekktor?
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  317. # [06:54] <anandjeyahar> can i make the input field a button?? i.e; i want a button onclick= <url..> i also want to capture the current form input values
  318. # [06:54] <anandjeyahar> how do i do that?
  319. # [06:54] <anandjeyahar> html newbie..
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  359. # [07:48] <teslan> what's a decent noob friendly html5 template
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  366. # [08:05] <dr0id> <!doctype html> <meta charset=utf-8> <title>blah</title> <p>Decent and Noob Friendly
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  392. # [08:37] <teslan> drOid: thank you kindly ;)
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  563. # [11:06] <kevindougans> anyone know a good html5/css3 and possibly iPad friendl
  564. # [11:06] <kevindougans> ycalendar
  565. # [11:07] <kevindougans> woops, trigger happy there, so to clarify: anyone know a good html5/css3 and possibly iPad friendly 31 day calendar?
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  584. # [11:27] <mightym> hey guys I've a problem building my first html5 offline/online app. i have a page where you log in on /, if your logged in you get a cookie and get redirected to / where the main template is served. this is use also for my offline app. my problem is, if a user is online and logged out the server isn't serving the templates anymore -> the offline site is used instead by the browser. someone a hint for me what is a common way to deal with this?
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  596. # [11:44] <JakeA> mightym: I only have one page that uses the offline manifest
  597. # [11:44] <JakeA> It's also the fallback page
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  599. # [11:45] <JakeA> When users navigate the site, they're getting the pages as they'd expect, because those pages aren't cached
  600. # [11:45] <JakeA> However, the fallback page is added in as a hidden iframe
  601. # [11:45] <JakeA> So the browser knows about the offline bits
  602. # [11:45] <JakeA> The fallback page deals with how the page should be rendered when the user is offline
  603. # [11:46] <JakeA> Anything I need to store, I put in localStorage
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  605. # [11:46] <JakeA> Basically, AppCache is a total ballache for anything server-driven
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  609. # [11:49] <mightym> JakeA: ah, that might be a good solution. in my case the site consists of notes the user edits, if he's online the notes are stored on the server db and if he's offline in the local storage. maybe i can solve my problem with the iframe
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  611. # [11:50] <JakeA> I'm writing an article about it at the moment, but check out the examples I've built at https://github.com/jakearchibald/offline-ala
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  614. # [11:51] <JakeA> The heavy lifting is done in https://github.com/jakearchibald/offline-ala/blob/master/js/offliner.js, checkout cacheCurrentPage and renderCurrentPage
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  624. # [12:03] <Trisox> is there a fallback for network?
  625. # [12:03] <Trisox> external links
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  628. # [12:04] <pascal> lol sorry :D needed toch check chrome offline
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  630. # [12:05] <Trisox> what is good thing to do with external links?
  631. # [12:05] <JakeA> Trisox: I think you can only fallback same-origin links
  632. # [12:05] <Trisox> i was thinking if your links are al relative its easy
  633. # [12:05] <JakeA> You could hide them if the current page used a fallback
  634. # [12:06] <Trisox> attr href with http of https and then swap links or something
  635. # [12:06] <Trisox> mmm
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  637. # [12:06] <JakeA> my fallback page has <html class="offline" so I can hide/show particular content
  638. # [12:06] <Trisox> nah to difficult
  639. # [12:07] <Trisox> i was thinking makine an data-roll thing on offline and swap between it offline online
  640. # [12:07] <Trisox> <a href="http://google.nl" data-link="" > google </a>
  641. # [12:08] <Trisox> <a href="" data-link="http://google.nl" > google </a>
  642. # [12:08] <Trisox> something like that
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  645. # [12:13] <mightym> JakeA: great work! and thanks very much for your help
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  691. # [13:18] <onla> Hey. I need (to draw) a "bar" where I can register a value, by having something move in it, and when I press a key, it registers the value. Like a power bar in a billiard game or something like that. How can I make it ? I am newbie to coding animation and stuff like that
  692. # [13:18] <onla> is there a ready-made example somewhere, I can't find it. what keywords are good for finding examples for this kind of stuff
  693. # [13:18] <onla> can someone point me to right direction
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  696. # [13:22] <onla> I make a counter from 0 to 100 to be iterated in some time, and draw the value and update it constantly ? hmm
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  706. # [13:32] <pocopina> onla: http://jqueryui.com/demos/progressbar/#default may be worth a look
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  709. # [13:38] <jetienne> q. what is the minimal html5 page which is still valid ?
  710. # [13:40] <mike5w3c> <!doctype html><title></title>
  711. # [13:41] <jetienne> mike5w3c: thanks. why this emphasis on the title, if i may ask ?
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  713. # [13:45] <mike5w3c> to make sure the document has some identifier for the UA to use
  714. # [13:45] <mike5w3c> and indexers and what not
  715. # [13:47] <jetienne> mike5w3c: it makes sense.
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  743. # [14:18] <kevindougans> still can't find a decent html5/css3 and maybe even query calendar
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  745. # [14:20] <skim1776> hey
  746. # [14:20] <skim1776> is it possible to create graphical questionary creator(with drag and drop for questions, variants, etc.) on html5 only(without javascript)?
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  760. # [14:41] <bruteforce_allti> Hi, I have a background music file which if of 2.8mb in size. I want to play it as soon as it gets start buffering. how should I do it?
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  771. # [15:03] <moo^_^> skim1776: no
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  774. # [15:04] <moo^_^> bruteforce_allti: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/HTML/Element/audio
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  781. # [15:12] <bruteforce_allti> moo^_^, thanks! :)
  782. # [15:12] <moo^_^> bruteforce_allti: for your html questions
  783. # [15:13] <moo^_^> use duckduckgo.com
  784. # [15:13] <moo^_^> and type !mdn <search term>
  785. # [15:13] <moo^_^> it will search mozilla developer network
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  787. # [15:14] <bruteforce_allti> moo^_^, Ok :)
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  921. # [17:37] <paul_irish> simenbrekken: wa
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  926. # [17:38] <simenbrekken> paul_irish: wa?
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  928. # [17:39] <paul_irish> in the download builder, under community.. the "display table" one will also test tablecell
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  931. # [17:40] <paul_irish> ohwait
  932. # [17:40] <paul_irish> yah support for display:table is synonymous with tc support
  933. # [17:40] <paul_irish> so thats what
  934. # [17:41] <simenbrekken> but the community addons, I'd like to see their sources/github pages/info so I can see what they do :)
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  938. # [17:45] <Pomax> is there an IE10 platform preview that works on windows 7?
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  987. # [18:46] <remysharp> paul_irish or anyone else with chrome wanna sanity check something? Popups running in the background of Chrome even though they're closed: http://jsbin.com/uticev/2 (content inject via the popup - that's blocked)
  988. # [18:47] <paul_irish> hey remysharp
  989. # [18:47] <remysharp> hey - I think I may be going insane
  990. # [18:47] <remysharp> but wanted to sound out my current sanity level with that link
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  994. # [18:48] <paul_irish> how are you seeing it running?
  995. # [18:48] <remysharp> do you see any text in the body of that jsbin page?
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  997. # [18:48] <paul_irish> o
  998. # [18:48] <paul_irish> yup
  999. # [18:49] <remysharp> that text is from the "insert" function
  1000. # [18:49] <remysharp> which is called *from* the popup via window.opener.insert("<text>")
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  1002. # [18:49] <remysharp> i.e. the blocked popup is running all it's code
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  1004. # [18:49] <enapupe> Hi, wich webservice does Geolocation API uses?
  1005. # [18:49] <paul_irish> got it. yeah . can repro.
  1006. # [18:49] <remysharp> that's not right is it?
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  1008. # [18:49] <remysharp> I'm sure that's not right
  1009. # [18:50] <paul_irish> remysharp: doesnt seem right. ask #whatwg if there's something you're missing/
  1010. # [18:50] <remysharp> Or I'm going a little whacky here
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  1012. # [18:50] <paul_irish> enapupe: typically uses a combo of ip-geolocation, mac address geolookup (skyhook) and GPS
  1013. # [18:50] <paul_irish> it's up to the browser to determine how they get the data
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  1015. # [18:52] <enapupe> got it.. and about the IP localization, is it open?
  1016. # [18:52] <paul_irish> open?
  1017. # [18:53] <enapupe> I mean like a webserver for public use
  1018. # [18:53] <paul_irish> enapupe: check out the geolocation shim from webshims that mentioned on html5please.us
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  1024. # [18:58] <remysharp> paul_irish: might be interested - I'm releasing my DeviceMotion and DeviceOrientation polyfill this week
  1025. # [18:59] <enapupe> paul_irish: thank you!
  1026. # [19:00] <paul_irish> remysharp: whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa how are you polyfilling those
  1027. # [19:00] <remysharp> yeah, it's not clever, but I'll do the big reveal tomorrow :)
  1028. # [19:00] <paul_irish> remysharp: btw i imagine you saw h5please.. wanted to get your input early on that
  1029. # [19:00] <paul_irish> but missed the chance. happy to absorb anything you got
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  1031. # [19:01] <remysharp> yeah, just checking it out now
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  1039. # [19:12] <kevindougans> keep up the great work lads. people like you make my workplace an easier place to be. much appreciated
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  1041. # [19:12] <divya> lads!
  1042. # [19:12] <Pomax> I'm sure he meant it in the generic sense of "people" =D
  1043. # [19:12] <divya> ?ud lads
  1044. # [19:12] <divya> i am sure.
  1045. # [19:12] <bot-t1> divya, lads - Lads are usually teenagers that fail in school and drop out, spending their lives 'bumming' around the same place 7 days a week. They can be spotted by their white caps (usually of polo brand) tilted up showing the front of their hair. Also they wear shorts (also of polo or nautica brand) no matter what season it is, they wear them even when it is snowing, they also wear polo or nautica shirts, with the collar popped up and l...
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  1047. # [19:13] <Pomax> that... is not the definition used by the rest of the world >_>
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  1052. # [19:18] <chovy_> ?ud chovy
  1053. # [19:18] <bot-t1> chovy_, Chovy - (Show-vee) Noun: A drunk, irresponsible, irritating and repulsive male of Scandinavian decent. Chovy's can be easily spotted: they often wear green, stare at their own ass and go canoeing at 3:30am. If you see a Chovy don't despair - you'll rarely see one out after 10:00 pm more than two nights in a row. Should you come across one of these hideous creatures; back up very slowly and return to the cottage. Synonyms: Turbo, As...
  1054. # [19:18] <chovy_> :(
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  1056. # [19:19] <chovy> Pretty much sounds like my me in younger years.
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  1085. # [19:55] <phrearch> hello
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  1131. # [20:48] <divya> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/fx/wiki/Merged_Transforms
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  1155. # [21:24] <ryan_tait> hey everyone.. quick question is there any plugins or linraries to mimic css transitions for IE?
  1156. # [21:25] <ryan_tait> libraries
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  1180. # [22:04] <iamdustan> are there any references on implementing an animate scrollTop function without jQuery?
  1181. # [22:04] <iamdustan> I’m using an ender build and any google search for scrollTop returns all jQuery references.
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  1194. # [22:14] <mathi> hi
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  1196. # [22:15] <mathi> I can get the values in sessionStorage from this URL: http://localhost/xyz/agenda but not from another like http://localhost/xyz/cache/viewer
  1197. # [22:15] <mathi> how is that possible? :/
  1198. # [22:15] <mathi> same behaviour on both firefox and chrome (latest versions)
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  1209. # [22:31] <mathi> anyone?
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  1216. # [22:35] <mathi> Opening a page in a new tab or window will cause a new session to be initiated.
  1217. # [22:35] <mathi> got it:)
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  1251. # [23:33] <Jon47> does anybody know if there is a property set on image elements that I can use to check if they ahve been loaded or not?
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