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# [02:05] <JonathanNeal> can i trim whitespace in a <canvas> ?
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# [02:11] <paul_irish> Yes you can.
# [02:11] <paul_irish> how easily? /me shrugs
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# [02:16] <Understudy> It appears that the <meta name="date" content="2012-01-25T19:57:39-0500" /> tag has beedn depriciated with html5, is there another tag I can use in it's place?
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# [10:51] <Weby> hi
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# [10:55] <Demp_> someone reporting in!
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# [11:02] <Weby> (first, sorry for my english…) I have a little question on HTML5B Build script. Is it possible to define the file containing the css and js links, because they are not in index.php on my site?
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# [11:29] <Demp_> I have an onmouseover event that listens to a canvas element and I want to fill a selected rectangular area whenever the event triggers, what's more efficient: matching the pixel colour of the same area by getting the imagedata.data object and checking to see if it's not the same colour and if not - fill the area or just filling that area anyway using context.rect and context.fill?
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# [13:08] <simenbrekken> Anyone know if there's a polyfill for display: table[-cell] out in the wild, haven't been able to find one after hours, nay, days of searching
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# [13:39] <jetienne> q. about event propagation and css 3D transformation, suppose the whole page got a rotation in Y of 45 deg. When i click on a element, the event is still propagated in the DOM tree as usual ? in the same order no matter the rotation i mean
# [13:39] <jetienne> (my logic tells yes but i want to be sure)
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# [13:48] <phrearch> hi
# [13:49] <phrearch> anyone knows about transforms on a canvas?
# [13:49] <phrearch> i would like to know how to get an x,y coordinate from a transformMatrix like [1, 0, 0, 1, 506.3516, 58.3203]
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# [13:49] <phrearch> the application does: context.transform(m[0], m[1], m[2], m[3], m[4], m[5]);
# [13:50] <phrearch> the fillText is then at the appropriate coordinate, but i need to have the x,y coordinate as well
# [13:50] <phrearch> no clue how to do this properly atm :(
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# [14:01] <phrearch> anyone?
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# [14:01] <phrearch> found some helper lib, but not sure if that helps for this case: https://raw.github.com/simonsarris/Canvas-tutorials/master/transform.js
# [14:04] <jetienne> https://github.com/mrdoob/three.js/blob/master/src/core/Matrix4.js#L459 <- phrearch this is function doing it in a matrix 4x4
# [14:04] <jetienne> position == x,y,z coordinates
# [14:04] <phrearch> hm, does that work on a 2d canvas>?
# [14:05] <jetienne> phrearch: if i understand your question. it isnt related to canvas. more matrix math
# [14:05] <phrearch> jetienne: probably. i dont understand much of transformations yet :/
# [14:06] <phrearch> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/541010/
# [14:07] <phrearch> this is part of fabric.js. i get a piece of svg doc, and it applies the transformation matrix from the element onto the canvas
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# [14:07] <phrearch> what im trying to do is to get the to-be-painted's text left/top position
# [14:07] <phrearch> thats harder than i thought it would be :)
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# [14:11] <phrearch> afaik, the translate function moves the whole coordinate system
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# [15:52] <mantas322> Okay so I am completely confused as to why this could be happening
# [15:52] <mantas322> so I have
# [15:53] <mantas322> a page which I am caching, which contains a small image A, image A contains a link to Image B
# [15:53] <mantas322> I cache all three, image A, image B and the page
# [15:53] <mantas322> they all seem to cache fine
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# [15:54] <mantas322> everything loads offline
# [15:54] <mantas322> epsect image B
# [15:54] <mantas322> all images are cached, yet only SOME work
# [15:55] <mantas322> hmm
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# [16:03] <mantas322> hmmmm
# [16:03] <mantas322> it could be an issue of the path to the image
# [16:03] <mantas322> since it is not absolute path it might cause a conflict maybe
# [16:04] <mantas322> however SOME work! so this is bizzare
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# [17:16] <marten_> They guy who wrote this (http://imgur.com/SYE8a) website, is a hero, because he got his communication & multimedia design bachelor thanks to that.
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# [17:22] <mantas322> $( appCache ).bind( "updateready",
# [17:22] <mantas322> that ended up being the problem
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# [17:35] <mantas322> appCache.swapCache();
# [17:35] <mantas322> is problematic
# [17:35] <mantas322> fty
# [17:35] <mantas322> fyi
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# [18:12] <mantas322> so this swapCache is causing all sorts of weird issues for me
# [18:12] <mantas322> iis it possible to clear out whatevers in cache manifest?
# [18:13] <JakeA> chrome://appcache-internals/ lets you delete caches
# [18:13] <JakeA> in chrome
# [18:14] <mantas322> no i mean programmatically
# [18:14] <JakeA> what are you using swapCache for? It's not something I'd imagine using often
# [18:14] <mantas322> okay
# [18:14] <mantas322> image an article website, with each article containing a "save for offline" button
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# [18:15] <mantas322> server creates a CUSTOM browser unique Cache manifest for that particular users session
# [18:15] <mantas322> each user has a unqiue cache manifest depending on what articles he/she chose to cache
# [18:15] <mantas322> it works fine the first time
# [18:16] <mantas322> but the second time, it fails due to this appCache.swapCache();
# [18:16] <mantas322> if i remove it out it just tells me New cache available
# [18:17] <JakeA> I considered using custom manifests, but went with LocalStorage instead
# [18:17] <mantas322> I am using this to display the caching progress to the user http://www.bennadel.com/blog/2029-Using-HTML5-Offline-Application-Cache-Events-In-Javascript.htm
# [18:17] <mantas322> I do that too
# [18:17] <mantas322> I use local storage to store the article html
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# [18:17] <mantas322> however there are many images, and that is what i use cache manifest for
# [18:17] <JakeA> Ohh, I see, the images
# [18:17] <mantas322> right
# [18:18] <JakeA> I'd be tempted to store those in LocalStorage too, as base64 :D
# [18:18] <JakeA> maybe too much data to put in localstorage though
# [18:18] <mantas322> right
# [18:18] <mantas322> I dont want to have to convert images and then decrypt them/....
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# [18:19] <mantas322> and this cache manifest works great! besides this exception
# [18:19] <mantas322> and if i remove it - my event for All files dfownloed never fires
# [18:19] <mantas322> so I was thinking - programmatically DELETE cache manifest and recache everything
# [18:19] <JakeA> So, send a request to the server in an iframe that says "add these images to the cache", which returns an html page linking to the manifest
# [18:19] <mantas322> right thats what i do
# [18:19] <JakeA> the browser sees the updated manifest and caches the images
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# [18:19] <mantas322> i dont use an iframe
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# [18:20] <mantas322> I create the custom cvache manifest file then redirect to another page which references it and contains the evnt handlers
# [18:20] <JakeA> meh, you could do it with a full page refresh too
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# [18:20] <JakeA> what do you need the event handlers for?
# [18:20] <mantas322> to display to the user that a cache i in progress
# [18:20] <mantas322> otherwise they will be tempted to navigate away from the caching page
# [18:20] <JakeA> fair enough
# [18:21] <mantas322> and the cache will not complete if they leave
# [18:21] <JakeA> and the caching fails?
# [18:21] <mantas322> I get some sort of INVALID_STATE_ERR: DOM Exception 11
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# [18:21] <mantas322> and i've been confused about it since days
# [18:21] <mantas322> trying to find compremises around it
# [18:22] <JakeA> does this error happen when you call swapCache?
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# [18:22] <mantas322> yes
# [18:22] <JakeA> Ok… why do you need to call swapCache?
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# [18:22] <mantas322> I dont fully know :P
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# [18:22] <JakeA> hah, don't call it then :D
# [18:22] <mantas322> however I believe its nessesary cause maybe the browser says "hey some of this cache content is already cached, some im going to do something different"
# [18:23] <mantas322> if I dont
# [18:23] <mantas322> some of the files dont get cached it seems
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# [18:23] <mantas322> and maybe im wrong
# [18:23] <JakeA> nah, you only need swapCache() if you're going to stay on that page and make some additional requests
# [18:23] <mantas322> "cached", never fires
# [18:23] <mantas322> $( appCache ).bind( "cached", never fires UNLESS i do swapcache
# [18:24] <mantas322> so I cant successfully handle the event
# [18:24] <JakeA> What does Chrome's web inspector console tell you? It has some great debug info for appcache
# [18:24] <mantas322> the "all files downloaded" event
# [18:24] <mantas322> u mean the dev tools console output?
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# [18:24] <mantas322> it just gives me that error
# [18:24] <JakeA> yep
# [18:24] <mantas322> Uncaught Error: INVALID_STATE_ERR: DOM Exception 11
# [18:25] <JakeA> …even if you don't call swapCache?
# [18:25] <mantas322> and points me to the line $( appCache ).bind( "updateready",
# [18:25] <mantas322> if i dont call it I get no error
# [18:25] <JakeA> You don't get a "Application Cache Checking event" or anything?
# [18:25] <mantas322> yeah I do
# [18:26] <mantas322> I get UpdateReady event
# [18:26] <JakeA> Ok, what exactly does Chrome's web inspector console tell you?
# [18:27] <mantas322> okay so on the 1st article cache I get no problems " Application Cache Cached event"
# [18:27] <mantas322> the second time
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# [18:28] <mantas322> I get "Application Cache UpdateReady event
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# [18:28] <JakeA> You don't see anything like "Document was loaded from Application Cache with manifest..."
# [18:28] <JakeA> or "Application Cache Checking event"
# [18:28] <JakeA> ?
# [18:29] <mantas322> no
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# [18:29] <mantas322> just anyway, thanks for listening
# [18:29] <mantas322> sometimes it helps just discribing the problem :P
# [18:30] <JakeA> Try testing in Chrome Canary, you might get better debugging info
# [18:30] <JakeA> sounds like you're missing some usual messages
# [18:30] <mantas322> also
# [18:30] <mantas322> something interesting
# [18:31] <mantas322> the first time i do it first line says " Creating Application Cache with manifest"
# [18:32] <mantas322> second time it says " Adding master entry to Application Cache with manifest"
# [18:32] <JakeA> A master entry is something specifically listed in the cache
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# [18:35] <mantas322> or maybe perhaps i can somehow modify the checking so it always downloads instead of looking for an update
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# [18:36] <mantas322> this is a tough cookie
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# [18:37] <mantas322> im going to lunch
# [18:37] <mantas322> I'll beb back later beep me if u have any thougghts
# [18:37] <mantas322> beep*
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# [20:24] <JonathanNeal> Anyone here have IE8 or IE9?
# [20:25] <ryan_tait> i got both whats up?
# [20:25] <JonathanNeal> Try hitting http://sandbox.thewikies.com/flash/
# [20:26] <ryan_tait> k trying in ie 9 first i see a bunch of green buttons
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# [20:27] <JonathanNeal> yes, and those are all running native html5 audio commands
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# [20:27] <JonathanNeal> setting the src, load, play, pause, etc.
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# [20:29] <ryan_tait> in ie 8 i see the same buttons but am getting script errors
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# [20:29] <JonathanNeal> ryan_tait: could you share those errors?
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# [20:30] <ryan_tait> 'console is undefined' on lines 46, 47, 48 and 57
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# [20:30] <JonathanNeal> Oh that's a good error, press F12 and turn on your console.
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# [20:31] <ryan_tait> yup :)
# [20:32] <mantas322> why dont u guys help me find alternative to my swapCache()
# [20:32] <mantas322> >:O
# [20:32] <ryan_tait> Webpage error details
# [20:32] <ryan_tait> User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0)
# [20:32] <ryan_tait> Timestamp: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:25:11 UTC
# [20:32] <ryan_tait> Message: Unspecified error.
# [20:32] <ryan_tait> Line: 49
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# [20:32] <Pomax> IE's lovely that way, it won't run code that uses console unless the debugger's open
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# [20:33] <ryan_tait> oops didnt realize I copied like 50 errors
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# [20:34] <ryan_tait> JonathanNeal: only one error now
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# [20:34] <JonathanNeal> ryan_tait: it's okay, so now that you've opened the console you're not getting any more errors?
# [20:34] <JonathanNeal> whats' the remaining error?
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# [20:35] <ryan_tait> JonathanNeal: 'Unspecified Error' line 49
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# [20:35] <ryan_tait> so descriptive
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# [20:35] <JonathanNeal> Line 49 of the page or of a file?
# [20:36] <Pomax> JonathanNeal: pressing all buttons in succession in IE9 with debugger open: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1463359
# [20:37] <JonathanNeal> that's as it should be in ie9
# [20:37] <JonathanNeal> that's using native html5 audio
# [20:37] <Pomax> including the undefineds?
# [20:37] <JonathanNeal> if you do the same thing in ie8 you should get very similar results (except it's pulling it from flash)
# [20:37] <JonathanNeal> Pomax: yes because those functions do not return a value.
# [20:37] <JonathanNeal> I want it to be EXACTLY the same as native.
# [20:37] <Pomax> ah
# [20:38] <Pomax> I only have IE8 in the form of IE9's compatibility mode
# [20:38] <ryan_tait> IE8 : http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1463361
# [20:38] <JonathanNeal> That'll work. Try it.
# [20:39] <ryan_tait> thats from IE8
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# [20:40] <JonathanNeal> yay!
# [20:40] <JonathanNeal> That looks like it's working just right.
# [20:40] <Pomax> IE8 mode with IE8 standards parsing - http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1463369
# [20:42] <ryan_tait> here is the line that caused the error: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1463370
# [20:43] <JonathanNeal> Okay so here we have a problem with IE not having access to the <object> or ExternalInterface throwing a fit.
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# [20:44] <JonathanNeal> ryan_tait: that function you posted is not in any of my code (both in the .js and the .as). It is written by ExternalInterface.
# [20:44] <JonathanNeal> So maybe we're looking at an ExternalInterface issue. Which is hopefully a good thing if we can figure out how to fix it. It doesn't yet seem to be something we can't get around.
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# [20:55] <mantas322> maybe i DONT need to use swapCache() afterall XD !!!
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# [21:33] <mantas322> STUPID CACHE
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# [22:14] <mantas322> welp i think i got it to work
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# [22:14] <mantas322> simply treating "updateready" the same as "cached",
# [22:14] <mantas322> seems to have resolved my issues
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# [22:15] <mantas322> been testing tediously on multiple devices and all images and content seem to cache successfully
# [22:15] <mantas322> however I still feel like im over looking some sort of key thingy
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# [22:15] <mantas322> anyways, I'll probably be back tomorrow to swear and curse some more.
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# [22:15] <mantas322> thanks again jakeA
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# [22:48] <barry_> Hello can anyone help me with some simple tumblr code? this is my preview (and it's how i want it to look like) http://flic.kr/p/bj26x6 however, when i save and refresh, this is what it looks like :-S http://flic.kr/p/bj26pB Anyone got any ideas? Really appreciate your help.
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# [22:52] <JonathanNeal> Anyone else have IE7 or IE8 and want to test something for me?
# [22:54] <barry_> sorry @jonathanNeal i've got ie9, you know where i could get some help on tumblr?
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# [22:58] <JonathanNeal> what about tumblr?
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# [23:02] <barry_> Hello can anyone help me with some simple tumblr code? this is my preview (and it's how i want it to look like) http://flic.kr/p/bj26x6 however, when i save and refresh, this is what it looks like :-S http://flic.kr/p/bj26pB Anyone got any ideas? Really appreciate your help.
# [23:03] <barry_> @jonathanneal this is the question i've been asking! you any ideas?
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# [23:06] <JonathanNeal> Yea, check to see how those elements are styled by the css, with float or position.
# [23:07] <JonathanNeal> something is clearing them onto their own line.
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