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  130. # [04:02] <snuggs> Crazy question. I have a flash video player on my site with a fallback to html5 for tablets and iPhones. Is there a tool to disable flash and view only in html5 in Firefox or chrome ?
  131. # [04:03] <tw2113> why not html5 video with flash fallback?
  132. # [04:03] <snuggs> This one isn't built this way
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  134. # [04:04] <snuggs> I used an out of the box video player that suited my needs and worked seamlessly with Wordpress
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  139. # [04:13] <crash1hd> hey all I was looking at a site that is html5 and I noticed that it had 2 menus one was inside nav tags and the other was inside just a div with normal uls? why do they have both?
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  141. # [04:14] <crash1hd> it seems that the second menu was disabled via css so does that leave me to believe that its there for backwards compatability for older browsers and they have some javascript checking for it?
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  143. # [04:17] <tw2113> what's wrong with still using a div?
  144. # [04:19] <boogyman> tw2113: depends on the use-case
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  146. # [04:19] * tw2113 tends to use <nav> just once
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  162. # [04:37] <Wiz_KeeD> hey everyone
  163. # [04:38] <Wiz_KeeD> can someone tell me how it is possible to show a poster on <video> elements when using the iPad2?
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  249. # [07:35] <JonathanNeal> hi there
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  251. # [07:37] * ChrisPartridge waves
  252. # [07:37] <JonathanNeal> aw thanks
  253. # [07:38] <JonathanNeal> Do you have IE8 or IE9 by any chance?
  254. # [07:38] <ChrisPartridge> It was a sympathy wave ;-)
  255. # [07:38] <ChrisPartridge> I do
  256. # [07:38] <JonathanNeal> what are you sympathizing?
  257. # [07:38] <ChrisPartridge> Because no one said hello
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  259. # [07:39] <JonathanNeal> Well, you did, and I didn't feel neglected, so regardless, thank you.
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  262. # [07:39] <JonathanNeal> if you have a moment to push some buttons on a webpage in IE, I've set up a test of some software I'm working on that patches HTML5 Audio for IE (and other browsers soon) @ http://sandbox.thewikies.com/flash/
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  266. # [07:42] <ChrisPartridge> IE8, and results (clicking from top down) - https://gist.github.com/1687436
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  268. # [07:43] <JonathanNeal> yes!
  269. # [07:43] <JonathanNeal> ChrisPartridge: that's great. Consistent results.
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  271. # [07:44] <ChrisPartridge> Booyeh!
  272. # [07:44] <ChrisPartridge> I've just chrome framed all my clients, <evil laugh>
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  274. # [07:45] <JonathanNeal> that's awesome
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  292. # [08:21] <grantg> hmm
  293. # [08:21] <grantg> paul_irish: I might be able to use more than putImageData for the gbc emulator
  294. # [08:21] <grantg> I was able to add a graphics jit
  295. # [08:21] <grantg> that delays scanline rendering by listening to VRAM and I/O writes
  296. # [08:22] <grantg> and waits until a change happens before drawing a delayed queue stack
  297. # [08:22] <grantg> If a full frame is queued, canvas2d ops might actually win here
  298. # [08:23] <grantg> As I no longer am forced to draw once every emulated scanline
  299. # [08:24] <grantg> This would be done only for GBC mode and not GB, as canvas2d can't do the GB mode's sprite priority emulation (Priority by x-coord, not draw OAM order)
  300. # [08:24] * grantg already rewrote the entire tile decoding system from scratch (again).
  301. # [08:26] <grantg> TL;DR graphics might be hoisted to canvas 2d as images, rather than software rendered in js, then putimagedata'd out
  302. # [08:26] <grantg> As there's a new gfx jit
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  305. # [08:32] <grantg> Heh, I should probably implement similar for js gba
  306. # [08:35] <paul_irish> grantg: just curious what editor do you author in?
  307. # [08:35] <grantg> notepad++
  308. # [08:35] <grantg> Yeah, tabs for lyfe
  309. # [08:36] <grantg> I know the 4 space nazi will hate me for saying that
  310. # [08:36] <paul_irish> hahah :)
  311. # [08:36] <grantg> Well, mega man now runs in half the load of what it used to in chrome
  312. # [08:36] <grantg> :D
  313. # [08:38] <grantg> damn, found a regression with gfx, gonna have to debug. :/
  314. # [08:38] <grantg> probably a tile translation error
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  379. # [10:19] <grantg> nm, fixed. :)
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  410. # [11:29] <grantg> Where only a restart fixes V8 from being slo-mo
  411. # [11:29] <grantg> huh
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  435. # [12:00] <justicefries> is this an appropriate room for canvas talk?
  436. # [12:00] <OzDave_imac> we only discuss spore mould and fungi cultivation with belly button lint.
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  438. # [12:03] <justicefries> perfect.
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  487. # [13:10] <andrewjbaker> I put up some content on http://hashbbg.com/ last night guys. Mo' content to follow and beautification, obviously.
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  489. # [13:10] <andrewjbaker> If you're interested in HTML5 game dev, feel free to join us.
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  496. # [13:18] <OzDave_imac> join us! the great claw in the sky demands it
  497. # [13:18] <andrewjbaker> LOL.
  498. # [13:18] <OzDave_imac> hehe
  499. # [13:19] <OzDave_imac> goodbye my friends i have been chosen!
  500. # [13:20] <andrewjbaker> Ha, ha. Actually... you're not listed yet. I'll address that this evening OzDave_imac. :-p
  501. # [13:20] <OzDave_imac> no wonder why I wasnt getting the junk mail
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  518. # [13:35] <memoryleak> Sorry for this offtopic, but I need a guy to create HTML5/JS frontend for web apps - can anyone recommend me a reliebe developer?
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  608. # [15:47] <aitiba> hi
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  621. # [15:57] <mantas322> Hi aitiba
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  624. # [16:03] <ryan_tait> mornign everyone
  625. # [16:03] <ryan_tait> morning :)
  626. # [16:03] <mantas322> hi
  627. # [16:03] <ryan_tait> hows the app mantas?
  628. # [16:04] <mantas322> still trying to find a swapCache() alternative
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  648. # [16:24] <aitiba> Hi mantas322 hwo are you?
  649. # [16:26] <mantas322> good
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  690. # [17:19] <Bits> how to get ▼ symbol in html? What is html code for it?
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  692. # [17:19] <Bits> how to get ▼ symbol in html? What is html code for it?
  693. # [17:20] <ryan_tait> &0172;
  694. # [17:20] <ryan_tait> for ¼
  695. # [17:22] <ryan_tait> wait no sorry &#188;
  696. # [17:22] <Bits> rayn_tait: can you give me a link where can i get code for symbols
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  698. # [17:23] <ryan_tait> http://ascii.cl/htmlcodes.htm
  699. # [17:23] <Ms2ger> Just use ▼
  700. # [17:23] <Ms2ger> <meta charset=utf-8> and you can use ALL THE CHARACTERS
  701. # [17:24] <ryan_tait> yup exactly
  702. # [17:25] <Bits> ms2ger: thanks i work by just using it...
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  706. # [17:26] <Bits> sorry i=it
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  719. # [17:34] <divya> except in Chrome
  720. # [17:34] <divya> on windows
  721. # [17:34] <divya> hopefully it will be fixed soon.
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  739. # [17:48] <jarek> Hi
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  741. # [17:49] <jarek> is there a reliable way to detect when animation or transition has finished?
  742. # [17:49] <jarek> webkitTransitionEnd does not fire all the time
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  748. # [17:57] <JonathanNeal> hi hi
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  778. # [18:28] <mantas322> i hate thes mobile browser inconsistancies
  779. # [18:29] <mantas322> it totally shows it caches an image, then when i go into airplane mode, and try to load it all the sudden "oh noes! not cached!"
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  961. # [20:30] <Pomax> who knows of a standalone or thinapped IE8 that I can run to verify some excanvas nonsense
  962. # [20:30] <Pomax> IE9 in IE8 mode seems to generate errors that real IE8 reportedly does not
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  965. # [20:34] <ryan_tait> i use 3 vm's for IE6 7 8
  966. # [20:34] <ryan_tait> then you can test on xp with each version
  967. # [20:35] <Pomax> I was hoping there was an alternative to VMs at this point.
  968. # [20:36] <ryan_tait> i know a few people that have used that IE Tester program
  969. # [20:36] <ryan_tait> that is suppose to emulate the real deals
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  971. # [20:37] <tw2113> why would you still test in IE6? :P
  972. # [20:38] <Pomax> welcome to modern banking? =D
  973. # [20:38] <Pomax> "we support firefox, unless you work here. then you get IE6"
  974. # [20:39] <ryan_tait> lol i have a vm for it for when i USED to test for it
  975. # [20:39] <tw2113> they treat their clients better than their employees
  976. # [20:39] <Pomax> IE6 is mostly legacy intranet apps, but IE8 is annoyingly the current IE used by XP users who are not willing to pay less than what it costs to buy a new graphics card and upgrade to win7 >_>
  977. # [20:39] <Pomax> oh hell yes.
  978. # [20:39] <Pomax> hiring a new employee is much easier than getting a new client
  979. # [20:39] <tw2113> i wonder what my CU uses internally
  980. # [20:40] <ryan_tait> i did some work for the hospital here and it was all ie6 :( hope the rest of the equipment is as outdated haha
  981. # [20:40] <Pomax> hospitals are scary taht way
  982. # [20:40] <Pomax> *that
  983. # [20:40] <Pomax> once something works, that's it. It is now chiseled in stone, and runs on a dedicated turing machine.
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  985. # [20:41] <Pomax> which is why they still use IE6 and Mumps
  986. # [20:41] <Pomax> or, MUMPS, I guess.
  987. # [20:42] <paul_irish> tw2113: !!!
  988. # [20:42] <paul_irish> nice contributions to the MDN
  989. # [20:42] <paul_irish> saw your name in lights!
  990. # [20:42] <tw2113> :D
  991. # [20:42] <tw2113> thanks paul
  992. # [20:43] <tw2113> made for a fun start to the weekend last week
  993. # [20:43] <tw2113> and i got to contribute good information
  994. # [20:44] <paul_irish> yeah you definitely did
  995. # [20:44] <paul_irish> was looking through the diffs. good stuff
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  1002. # [20:47] <tw2113> i think i was happiest to promote flex/columns as a future option, though they aren't here quite yet
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  1004. # [20:49] <tw2113> i plan to contribute throughout the year, but not right now due to var clientwork
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  1006. # [20:50] <tw2113> woops, my windows machine was still on FF8
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  1012. # [20:55] <ghinda> anybody tried the kendoui mobile beta? http://www.kendoui.com/mobile.aspx
  1013. # [20:55] <pocopina> just me or does http://www.w3.org/html/logo/ link to a mixture of a broken page with no styles or a 404
  1014. # [20:55] <tw2113> paul_irish, you'd probably know. do you know much about :hover:after support in chrome?
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  1016. # [20:56] <paul_irish> hmm
  1017. # [20:56] <paul_irish> ghinda: it looks good
  1018. # [20:56] <ghinda> paul_irish: how about compared to sencha?
  1019. # [20:56] <paul_irish> comparable!
  1020. # [20:57] <paul_irish> pocopina: i'm letting them know
  1021. # [20:58] <tw2113> may leave that issue for another time as it's not a dealbreaker and simply doesn't animate :after on hover
  1022. # [20:59] <paul_irish> webkit doesnt support transitions on pseudo elems
  1023. # [20:59] <paul_irish> :(
  1024. # [21:00] <tw2113> no huge loss, it's just transitioning opacity
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  1026. # [21:02] <paul_irish> pocopina: cool they're gonna dig in
  1027. # [21:02] <paul_irish> thxxx
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  1030. # [21:07] <pocopina> i'm considering recommending a browser features not browser versions support model to the management at my company. essentially this is just progressive enhancement. however, automated testing is an important consideration for us. i imagine a future state where our test suite grabs a browser release, checks for a feature, if it finds support it tests for successful outcome A, if it doesn't it test
  1031. # [21:07] <pocopina> s for successful outcome B (the fallback). do you guys think this is a good approach to handling browser support today? and also, is there anything out there written already about implementing this kind of strategy?
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  1044. # [21:22] <tw2113> bit by another unimplemented feature...IE filters don't work on pseudo elements
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  1046. # [21:23] <divya> you shouldnt be using ie filters
  1047. # [21:24] <tw2113> not gonna be able to. going to have to craft a workaround with a little extra markup for IE
  1048. # [21:24] <tw2113> hmmm, maybe not on the new markup
  1049. # [21:25] <moo-_-> you shouldnt be using ie :(
  1050. # [21:25] <tw2113> hey, i'm going to see how much i can get by with for just IE8 on this one
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  1057. # [21:31] <tw2113> so i can't use it as a silent torture device for IE users?
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  1060. # [21:35] <moo-_-> tw2113: it's not users' fault, unfortunately
  1061. # [21:35] <moo-_-> but strategic decisions MS made in 00s
  1062. # [21:36] <moo-_-> tw2113: but you can always force them install google chrome frame
  1063. # [21:36] <moo-_-> which rocks
  1064. # [21:37] <pocopina> how can you force a user to install google chrome frame, or a business to provision it to its employees?
  1065. # [21:37] <pocopina> where is the cheddar?
  1066. # [21:38] <Demp_> at the supermarket
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  1069. # [21:41] <tw2113> tell them if they don't install chrome frame, their least favorite politician will be re-elected
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  1078. # [21:48] <Will987> Anyone interested in buying a website where users can sign in with social networks and show their online status on chat applications and services. Fully complete and all modifications are free. PM me for pricing. DEMO: http://myonlinestat.us/josh
  1079. # [21:49] <ryan_tait> i'll give ya 50 bux ;)
  1080. # [21:49] <Will987> ill be wanting more than that :p
  1081. # [21:49] <Demp_> 51, final offer!
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  1089. # [21:55] <moo-_-> is it possible to find information regarding column-break-before in firefox somewhere?
  1090. # [21:56] <moo-_-> looks like no go
  1091. # [21:56] <moo-_-> fuck
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  1093. # [21:59] * moo-_- wonders workarounds
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