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  9. # [00:05] <WebDragon> <yamahaalex37> is <a> a valid child of <li> ? <-- is this not WHY we have validators ? ones that you can paste code into ?
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  90. # [01:44] <moo-_-> are javascript getters and setters supported across browsers?
  91. # [01:49] <ryanseddon> sort of depends what ie's you're supporting
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  96. # [01:52] <insin> doesn't IE8 only support them on DOM elements? ಠ_ಠ
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  98. # [01:52] <ryanseddon> yes
  99. # [01:52] <insin> useless
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  108. # [02:01] <dilvie> don't use javascript getters / setters for production browser code
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  110. # [02:01] <dilvie> your world will explode in fireballs
  111. # [02:02] <andrewjbaker> dilvie, ^^
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  114. # [02:06] <moo-_-> no IE
  115. # [02:06] <moo-_-> dilvie: chrome and FF only
  116. # [02:06] <moo-_-> thx
  117. # [02:06] <moo-_-> but good to know
  118. # [02:06] <ryanseddon> if you need to support FF3.6 you'll need to do __defineGetters/Setters__
  119. # [02:09] <moo-_-> ryanseddon: this is #html5 channel, I support only html5 enabled browsers :)
  120. # [02:09] <steppy2> anyone here uses
  121. # [02:09] <steppy2> extjs?
  122. # [02:10] <moo-_-> steppy2: I did in the past
  123. # [02:10] <steppy2> I'm adding a viewport with region east
  124. # [02:10] <steppy2> then i do a php scrip int he html file which does a .add
  125. # [02:10] <moo-_-> steppy2: try extjs discussion channel / forum
  126. # [02:10] <steppy2> and add buttons depending on how many results
  127. # [02:10] <steppy2> yeah they aren't around :(
  128. # [02:11] <moo-_-> extjs forum is always around
  129. # [02:11] <moo-_-> and so is stackoverflow.com :)
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  205. # [04:31] <paul_irish> divya: http://bugs.jqueryui.com/ticket/7993
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  215. # [04:42] <tw2113> it's not really possible to assign navigator.geolocation to a variable outside of scope is it?
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  218. # [04:44] <tw2113> disregard
  219. # [04:45] <tw2113> better question
  220. # [04:45] <tw2113> should I be able to assign localstorage in 1 function, and then call the stored data in another, without much issue?
  221. # [04:45] <tw2113> with obvious bits being saving first
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  252. # [05:35] <ryanseddon> tw2113: put a fiddle together
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  254. # [05:46] <tw2113> actually i got it working since then :D
  255. # [05:46] <tw2113> thank you for the response though ryanseddon
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  266. # [06:10] <tw2113> ryanseddon wanna see what I'm working on?
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  268. # [06:10] <erdos> hey!
  269. # [06:10] <tw2113> yo
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  271. # [06:11] <erdos> what's the deal with z-index on absolute and normally positioned elements? i don't seem to be able to plop an absolutely positioned element behind the rest of the stuff like i thought i should have been able to? maybe js is interfering...
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  275. # [06:12] <erdos> actually, no interference from js
  276. # [06:13] <dr0id> CSS 'z-index' only applies to "positioned elements"; that is, elements with a value for the `position` property other than the default value of `static`.
  277. # [06:13] <erdos> balls
  278. # [06:13] <erdos> hmm, i guess i'll just have to change my loading gif to fit better my content
  279. # [06:13] <erdos> thanks dr0id :)
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  281. # [06:14] <erdos> wait, what if i define my containing element to relative to the root?
  282. # [06:14] <erdos> of the document
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  284. # [06:15] <erdos> nope, balls
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  308. # [06:49] <ryanseddon> tw2113: sorry dude just checked irc now, whatcha working on?
  309. # [06:50] <tw2113> no worries
  310. # [06:50] <tw2113> http://trexthepirate.com/restaurant_selector
  311. # [06:50] <tw2113> i probably could have a lot more efficient js, but i'm happy i got this far
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  313. # [06:53] <tw2113> a lot of learning going on ryanseddon
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  315. # [06:55] <UidX> lol this is so good
  316. # [06:55] <ryanseddon> one tip, it's purely a preferences thing, is i always do variables like var var1, var2 = blah etc etc no need to repeat the var keyword
  317. # [06:55] <UidX> im using dreamweaver to make tables
  318. # [06:55] <UidX> i hate coding tables
  319. # [06:56] <tw2113> ah, initialize all right away and then assign as needed without the var keyword?
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  324. # [07:01] <tw2113> should i take pride in that i'm not globalizing them?
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  334. # [07:22] <ryanseddon> tw2113: no not initialise but rather than do var foo = bar; var ba z= boo; you use the comma see https://github.com/ryanseddon/font-dragr/blob/master/public/scripts/src/_views.js#L119
  335. # [07:23] <tw2113> was what I was thinking, just didn't word it right
  336. # [07:23] <tw2113> i'll keep that in mind for my next commit
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  340. # [07:33] <tw2113> i should list the tools used too
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  623. # [15:22] <UidX> Can anybody help me with button please? http://pastebin.com/UAtAhe57
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  625. # [15:24] <TNA-MichaelK> What's the issue?
  626. # [15:24] <UidX> Uh
  627. # [15:24] <UidX> There are two buttons outside of a form
  628. # [15:24] <UidX> And one button is for signing in
  629. # [15:24] <UidX> And one is for registering
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  631. # [15:24] <UidX> When I click register, it signs in
  632. # [15:24] <UidX> When I click sign in, it also signs in
  633. # [15:25] <Demp> try setting the type attribute to "button"
  634. # [15:25] <TNA-MichaelK> why not write it traditionally? <form>buttons, submit</form>
  635. # [15:25] <Demp> it defaults to submit
  636. # [15:25] <UidX> Should I try it with <input type="button"~ ?
  637. # [15:25] <UidX> But I want to make a register button too
  638. # [15:25] <UidX> And the CSS I applied doesnt seem to work on my iPhone
  639. # [15:26] <Demp> try it with button type="botton"
  640. # [15:26] <UidX> Ok I'll try
  641. # [15:26] <UidX> thanks!
  642. # [15:26] <Demp> type="button" *
  643. # [15:26] <Demp> typo
  644. # [15:26] <UidX> It works like a charm!
  645. # [15:27] <UidX> Thanks a lot Demp! :D
  646. # [15:27] <Demp> no problemo
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  711. # [16:42] <phi90> hi all. . .
  712. # [16:42] <phi90> anybody? ? ?
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  715. # [16:43] <phi90> any1 wantz 2 chat. . . ?
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  718. # [16:45] <phi90> ?
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  723. # [16:52] <WebDragon> http://tinypic.com/r/1zy9fg6/5 <-- html5rocks still has this issue on Opera 11.61 (Linux if that matters)
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  817. # [18:39] <hol314> can a 15 second interactive Flash Movie be converted to HTML5 animation so it can be viewed on Iphones and Ipads.
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  820. # [18:39] <skyler_brungardt> Is it possible? Yes. Are there good tools to do this for you? No.
  821. # [18:40] <skyler_brungardt> (IMHO)
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  858. # [19:27] <kevindougans> hol314… can you upload it to youtube, they will automatically convert it to html5 if its just an animation/movie
  859. # [19:27] <kevindougans> use iframe and it will auto detect iPads and iPhones and display html5
  860. # [19:27] <kevindougans> for a quick fix
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  863. # [19:34] <Jon47> should text in a button have a period at the end of it? like "Yes, submit" or "Yes, submit."
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  870. # [19:41] <kevindougans> Jon47: if you put the comma in then yes
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  944. # [20:54] <skyler_brungardt> http://nooline.org/
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  952. # [21:02] <JonathanNeal> best viewed in , skyler_brungardt?
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  955. # [21:05] <skyler_brungardt> JonathanNeal: shows up as "Modern" and "Browsers" on my tests.
  956. # [21:05] <skyler_brungardt> With links to: http://browsehappy.com/
  957. # [21:05] <skyler_brungardt> And http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_browsers#HTML5_support
  958. # [21:05] <skyler_brungardt> What do you see?
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  963. # [21:11] <JonathanNeal> the words "best viewed in" carries with it a bad taste.
  964. # [21:14] <JonathanNeal> probably the msword look-and-feel of the site drives it home even more. it may be qualitative, but including that copy at the very top of the page is distracting and discouraging, combined with the text shadow on the font that was making the copy hard to read, and the stack black vignette over the white background that makes me question if the css3 is being applied for the sake of itself.
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  966. # [21:15] <miketaylr> i agree the "best viewed in" part bums me out
  967. # [21:17] <skyler_brungardt> JonathanNeal: Huh, interesting.
  968. # [21:17] <skyler_brungardt> Good feedback.
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  970. # [21:18] <skyler_brungardt> What about that phrasing dontcha like?
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  972. # [21:18] <miketaylr> Best viewed in Modern Browsers seems sufficient
  973. # [21:18] <JonathanNeal> It's prominent placement at the top gives it particular emphasis because I read left to right top to bottom.
  974. # [21:18] <miketaylr> if you feel the need to have a "best viewed" thing at all
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  977. # [21:19] <JonathanNeal> you might not need to have it at all, the point of progressive enhancement is not to bring attention to it.
  978. # [21:19] <skyler_brungardt> miketaylr: You mean, remove the links?
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  980. # [21:20] <skyler_brungardt> JonathanNeal: Yet, I think it's also worthwhile to help guide people who don't know what PE is to use something good
  981. # [21:20] <miketaylr> skyler_brungardt: no i mean remove the specific mentions of firefox and chrome
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  983. # [21:21] <miketaylr> it's too "best viewed in netscape 4.0" for my taste :P
  984. # [21:21] <JonathanNeal> skyler_brungardt: but at the top of the page, even more important than the title of the page itself?
  985. # [21:21] <skyler_brungardt> miketaylr: Huh, ok.
  986. # [21:21] <JonathanNeal> there is a lot of hard feelings towards "best viewed in" copy @ http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/
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  991. # [21:23] <skyler_brungardt> JonathanNeal: I've read that article, and I'm not sure I agree with it.
  992. # [21:23] <skyler_brungardt> Not that I actively disagree.
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  995. # [21:23] <skyler_brungardt> I'm just not sold that it's a bad idea to guide users toward better tools.
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  998. # [21:24] <JonathanNeal> I kinda like what is done here except that it fails to include opera, safari, or ie9 https://signnow.com/index/standards
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  1000. # [21:24] <miketaylr> i guess i just have to wonder what part of this site is "better" in chrome or firefox
  1001. # [21:24] <miketaylr> because it's pretty simple and works just fine in my browser
  1002. # [21:24] <miketaylr> but maybe there's some 3D insanity somewhere i'm not looking ^_^
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  1004. # [21:25] <skyler_brungardt> miketaylr: Nah, just faster JS and better CSS3 support.
  1005. # [21:25] <skyler_brungardt> But advocating for viewable in any given browser hearkens to the days of Graceful Degredation
  1006. # [21:25] <skyler_brungardt> IMO
  1007. # [21:25] <skyler_brungardt> And that just...seems like extra time and money
  1008. # [21:26] <JonathanNeal> skyler_brungardt: where is the "best viewed in" text @ http://acko.net/ ?
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  1010. # [21:26] * miketaylr shrugs
  1011. # [21:26] <miketaylr> it just feels amateurish
  1012. # [21:26] <miketaylr> anyhow back to work :)
  1013. # [21:27] <miketaylr> skyler_brungardt: at least you're not blocking anything
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  1015. # [21:28] <skyler_brungardt> acko.net also takes forever to load
  1016. # [21:29] <skyler_brungardt> And while very pretty, not a CMS
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  1019. # [21:29] <miketaylr> does your CMS include that header on every page?
  1020. # [21:29] <miketaylr> or just this blog?
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  1022. # [21:30] <skyler_brungardt> That's just in the template
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  1024. # [21:30] <skyler_brungardt> Template can be whatever you want
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  1027. # [21:30] <skyler_brungardt> Right now it assumes a single page architecture
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  1029. # [21:32] <skyler_brungardt> But the templates can be made to do whatever
  1030. # [21:32] <skyler_brungardt> Multiple pages, etc
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  1032. # [21:32] <skyler_brungardt> Key here, in my mind, is that the CMS pushes the bulk of the work to the client
  1033. # [21:32] <skyler_brungardt> (Not the layout, love it or hate it)
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  1036. # [21:34] <IanWizard> I don't know that this is the right place for this, but #web proved unhelpful. I have a site that I'm building, pushing towards launch, and the one bug that's hanging me up seems to be a browser bug, but it's happening across the board. I have a text area, and I have a "change" event (I'm using jquery), and that works just fine, but when I use .text() (or .html()) to set the text inside of the text area, it doesn't change. Wait, no, it does ch
  1037. # [21:34] <IanWizard> ange, in the DOM, but not in the actual textarea. Happens in Chrome, and in FireFox.
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  1048. # [21:47] <_ryan_t> you should be using .val() to change the value of a textarea
  1049. # [21:47] <_ryan_t> i believe
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  1070. # [22:11] <IanWizard> damn.
  1071. # [22:11] <IanWizard> but why would it change in the DOM, and not in the window
  1072. # [22:11] <IanWizard> but val did work.
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  1083. # [22:20] <WebDragon> http://tinypic.com/r/1zy9fg6/5 <-- html5rocks still has this issue on Opera 11.61 (Linux if that matters) (just so it doesn't scroll away completely)
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  1095. # [22:44] <miketaylr> WebDragon: can you report that to html5rocks.com?
  1096. # [22:44] <miketaylr> Enter one-line summary
  1097. # [22:44] <miketaylr> oops
  1098. # [22:44] <miketaylr> http://code.google.com/p/html5rocks/issues/entry
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  1102. # [22:47] <WebDragon> miketaylr: http://code.google.com/p/html5rocks/issues/detail?id=800 done
  1103. # [22:47] <miketaylr> thanks!
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  1105. # [22:48] <WebDragon> de nada :D glad to help spot
  1106. # [22:48] * WebDragon "lurves" opera
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  1109. # [22:49] <WebDragon> used to be pretty heavy on firefox til I noticed how many more tabs I could have open simultaneously in Opera, plus the smaller install size and memory footprint
  1110. # [22:49] <WebDragon> THEN I noticed that when I develop sites primarily in opera and go to test in FF/Chrome/Safari/IE I have fewer issues to debug cross-browser than I did when I used FF as my primary development platform
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  1113. # [22:50] <divya> woo
  1114. # [22:51] <WebDragon> I understand that some people prefer to avoid Opera because of some highly detailed javascript issues (that honestly only a few serious developers ever really run into), and thus spreads the bad news.
  1115. # [22:51] <divya> WebDragon: i also use vertial tabs
  1116. # [22:51] <WebDragon> but gods teeth, I waste SO MUCH LESS TIME using opera as my first preview source when fixing/developing, I can't see using anything else
  1117. # [22:51] <WebDragon> plus chrome/opera both have dev tools built in instead of grafted on
  1118. # [22:52] <WebDragon> and now that it does Extensions -- even better
  1119. # [22:52] <WebDragon> totally fail to understand opera's low usage ratio
  1120. # [22:52] <WebDragon> top notch browser, IMHO
  1121. # [22:53] <WebDragon> divya: the part where you slide the tab bar down and expose thumbs of the tabs ?
  1122. # [22:53] <divya> WebDragon: no just making tabs to the side rather than on top
  1123. # [22:53] <WebDragon> oh really; hmm haven'
  1124. # [22:53] <WebDragon> haven't tried that yet
  1125. # [22:53] <WebDragon> <damn enter key too close to ' >
  1126. # [22:54] <WebDragon> in the F4 pane ?
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  1129. # [22:56] <WebDragon> divya: oh, the Web Panels thing
  1130. # [22:56] <WebDragon> right?
  1131. # [22:58] <divya> WebDragon: well no this http://cache.gyazo.com/e7dc17a1a6d4ce345d821169cb417633.png
  1132. # [22:58] <skylamer`> divya
  1133. # [22:58] <divya> sup?
  1134. # [22:58] <skylamer`> u know when harmony is coming in full power?
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  1137. # [22:59] <WebDragon> divya: hm, which skin is that ?
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  1143. # [23:01] <divya> WebDragon: just normal mac one
  1144. # [23:01] <WebDragon> divya: Is that just the tab bar rotated vertically, then?
  1145. # [23:02] <divya> skylamer`: to what?
  1146. # [23:02] <divya> yeah
  1147. # [23:02] <WebDragon> aha okay
  1148. # [23:02] <WebDragon> interesting
  1149. # [23:02] <skylamer`> to browsers may be xD
  1150. # [23:02] <divya> skylamer`: dunno some of it is there in bits and pieces i am unsure.
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  1152. # [23:03] <WebDragon> http://tinypic.com/r/dm791w/5 occasionally I use this nifty feature when I don't have a gazillion tabs open during development
  1153. # [23:03] <skylamer`> yes i know:), ty
  1154. # [23:03] <WebDragon> tab-groups are frigging awesome too
  1155. # [23:04] <Armen|Work> i did not know opera could do vertical tabs
  1156. # [23:04] <Armen|Work> thanks :)
  1157. # [23:05] <WebDragon> there's a LOT opera can do that's not obvious on the surface -- I've been using it as my primary browser for ages and I'd totally forgotten about the fact that it could do tabs vertically
  1158. # [23:06] <skylamer`> ьхщ
  1159. # [23:06] <skylamer`> one of you noticed that the 'git hub search' autocomplete stuff is changed?
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  1161. # [23:07] <WebDragon> the Info pane on F4 in opera is particularly useful for a quick glance at a site's meta info (standards/quirks mode, meta tags, scripts, styles etc)
  1162. # [23:07] <Armen|Work> i've started using opera as my main browser a few weeks ago... still getting used to it
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  1166. # [23:10] <divya> Armen|Work: let me know if you got issues!
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  1168. # [23:15] <Armen|Work> thanks, no issues so far though :)
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  1170. # [23:17] <WebDragon> there's a couple things in chrome's devtools that I miss in opera's but not so much as to force me to switch
  1171. # [23:17] <WebDragon> they're ALL still under development
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  1173. # [23:17] <divya> like what WebDragon?
  1174. # [23:17] <WebDragon> divya: how stylesheets are clickable in the view pane so that you can load it
  1175. # [23:18] <WebDragon> when you view source, and find a link in the css to an image, you can click it in chrome to view it -- opera needs to add that too
  1176. # [23:18] <WebDragon> but it's not a dealbreaker
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  1178. # [23:18] <WebDragon> consdering how much cross-browser devel time I save myself NOT having to fix things in other browsers because it's already fixed in opera
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  1180. # [23:19] <Armen|Work> well, its past 5 o'clock. time to go home so i can do the same thing i do at work, and call it a hobby.
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  1182. # [23:20] <divya> yeah agreed its not quite the realm of DFL tho.
  1183. # [23:20] <divya> but good idea.
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