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# Session Start: Fri Feb 03 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #html5
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# [00:42] <tw2113> should i be using two colons for any css pseudo stuff other than link/hover/active/visited ?
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# [00:43] <austincheney> where can i go read about the accessibility benefits provided by HTML5 over html4 or xhtml1?
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# [00:43] <moo-_-> austincheney: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/
# [00:43] <austincheney> aria is not html and preceeded html5
# [00:44] <moo-_-> ahhah :(
# [00:44] <moo-_-> but I think browsers have gained more aria support recently
# [00:44] <moo-_-> with html5
# [00:44] <austincheney> cool
# [00:45] <austincheney> i presume aria is targeted more towards JavaScript/interaction than html
# [00:46] <austincheney> i guess i have always thought aria was for js and wcag were for html
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# [00:46] <austincheney> but surely html5 did something for accessibility more than html4 or xhtml1
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# [00:54] <austincheney> actually, what does HTML5 do to reduce costs compared to html4 and xhtml1
# [00:54] <austincheney> I am putting together a presentation
# [00:55] <austincheney> aside from other APIs and storage features I cannot determine where HTML5 actually attempts to solve any costs over existing technologies
# [00:56] <austincheney> by costs I mean security, accessibility, privacy, ownership, distribution, and so forth
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# [01:42] <moo-_-> austincheney_: html5 allows you to develop more rich websites and applications to run in the browser, cross-platform, mobile, etc. as opposite to investing a (windows) desktop application
# [01:42] <moo-_-> html5 is an enabler technology primarily, not cost-saving technology
# [01:43] <moo-_-> html5 is univesal which makes talent easier to acquire
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# [02:07] <ontime> where should I start with making a fancy html5 form using ajax? I am hoping there is a tutorial someone here could suggest.
# [02:08] <ontime> specifically a contact form **
# [02:09] <moo-_-> ontime: see channel topic links
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# [02:10] <ontime> thank you moo-_-
# [02:10] <moo-_-> np
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# [02:13] <jenstechs> can someone help with HTML5 and IE-8 compatibility? i have a boilerplate so the shiv/css is there. but something isn't loading right unless the "compatibility mode" is on.
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# [02:15] <divya> what isnt?
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# [02:16] <jenstechs> i have a #logo { float:left; } I take out float:left, logo shows fine. i put in float:left; logo disappears.
# [02:17] <jenstechs> that's where i can get the behavior to change, though since other items on my page are floating, i don't see why this one would be any different....
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# [02:22] <jenstechs> i just tried switching to an older doctype, and that didn't fix it....
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# [02:31] <ontime> can you guys please tell me your opinions about this: http://html5please.us/
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# [02:32] <JonathanNeal> ontime: i think it's swell and nifty.
# [02:36] <ontime> JonathanNeal: I just didn't want to be taking the advice found on that site if it is outdated... .which is why I asked here.
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# [02:43] <JonathanNeal> ontime: i think that site is fresh and relevant.
# [02:44] <ontime> JonathanNeal: perhaps it could be added to the links in the topic of #html5 ?
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# [02:48] <moo-_-> ontime: the site came up last weekend
# [02:48] <moo-_-> it would be unlikely if it contains outdated information
# [02:48] <ontime> moo-_-: I didn't think to check that ...
# [02:49] <ontime> I just found it a couple days ago
# [02:49] <ontime> Thanks for checking it for me.
# [02:49] <ontime> :)
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# [02:51] <ontime> HTML5 Please is a community project (contribute on github!) from the people behind HTML5 Boilerplate, Modernizr & CSS3 Please.
# [02:51] <moo-_-> if I want to autosave the work when the tab is being closed what event(s) I can use?
# [02:51] <divya> onunload or smthing like that
# [02:52] <moo-_-> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=!mdn+unload here we go...
# [02:53] <ontime> you use duckduckgo too? awesome :)
# [02:54] <moo-_-> !mdn is my favorite bang :)
# [02:54] <moo-_-> search without getting results from w3cschool
# [02:54] <moo-_-> also it has !jquery, !so (stackoverflow), etc.
# [02:55] <ontime> right on
# [02:55] <ontime> I really like the duck
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# [03:07] <Pomax> the only downside about duckduckgo is that no one outside the US/Canada has ever heard of duck duck goose, so it's hard to make them remember the name.
# [03:07] <Pomax> "what was that google alternative again? something with animals?"
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# [03:54] <chee> this is what is going to happen to the www: http://snaek.org
# [03:54] <chee> (webkit/gecko only)
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# [03:57] <moo-_-> the blink tag of third millennium
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# [04:13] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: should we add a "last updated" timestamp to html5please
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# [04:14] <chee> moo-_-: perhaps i will put together a CSS3 animation Geocities library
# [04:14] <JonathanNeal> yea, a last updated tag for caniuse would be good too.
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# [04:40] <bengfisher> duckduckgo
# [04:40] <bengfisher> does that actually have traction?
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# [04:45] <chee> bengfisher: it is the search engine of choice for the bird crew
# [04:46] <bengfisher> whats the bird crew chee
# [04:46] <chee> i'm not too sure. i think they might be people who think they are birds
# [04:46] <chee> or just very fond of them
# [04:46] <chee> a member of said community told me duckduckgo is their search engine of choice
# [04:47] <chee> it wasn't until that that i knew she was a member of any such crew
# [04:47] <chee> apart from that it's quite a cool search engine and i know many nice people with tinfoil hats who use it exclusively
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# [04:52] <jenstechs> anybody here have experience with Sublime Text 2?
# [04:56] <tw2113> a little bit
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# [05:58] <jenstechs> tw2113: is there a way for tag options to automatically pop up? like if i type [<p cl] I'd like it to come up with "class"
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# [06:06] <tw2113> dunno that much
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# [06:22] <ryanseddon> jenstechs: thereis a slick autocomplete package you can get that should do that for you
# [06:23] <ryanseddon> jenstechs: https://github.com/Kronuz/SublimeCodeIntel
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# [06:29] <jenstechs> ryanseddon: thanks, yeah i got that. it is autocompleting tags, but not yet coming up with code suggestions. i.e. p space id/class/align/etc like dreamweaver does. DW is just SO bulky....
# [06:29] <jenstechs> AHA. it IS doing that, just not automatically
# [06:30] <jenstechs> i have another keycode set to control-space so i'll need to change that... is that in those funny settings files?
# [06:31] <ryanseddon> should be
# [06:31] <jenstechs> yes! i found it! ahh.... liking this app more & more...
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# [06:39] <tw2113> evening ryanseddon
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# [06:55] <aamironline> Hey guys, interested in effective and easy Html5 Canvas based animation library? Check out WebDoodlign, www.webdoodling.com
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# [07:43] <jenstechs> is there a sublime plugin for s/ftp?
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# [07:51] <Orbitrix> wats subline?
# [07:51] <Orbitrix> sublime*
# [07:51] <Orbitrix> ah, mac
# [07:51] <Orbitrix> cant help u there :)
# [07:51] <Orbitrix> macs are lame
# [07:52] <Orbitrix> if ur competent enough to do web design, ur competent enough to not own a mac
# [07:52] <Orbitrix> :D
# [07:52] <Orbitrix> problem solved
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# [08:19] <tw2113> Orbitrix sublime text is available on windows/mac/linux
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# [08:58] <Orbitrix> had sex
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# [12:58] <ecthiender> a good stable 2d game engine in JS+HTML5 ?
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# [13:07] <moo-_-> ecthiender: try cocos2d-javascript
# [13:08] <ecthiender> will look into it moo-_-
# [13:12] <austincheney> would you guys mind looking at something? i have a big presentation today so I wrote my own slideshow to do it
# [13:12] <austincheney> http://mailmarkup.org/slideshow.xhtml
# [13:12] <austincheney> is there anything that jumps out as missing or something more compelling that should be there?
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# [13:17] <Echoes2> hello, is there anyway to clear a circle instead of clearing a rect
# [13:18] <austincheney> clear how?
# [13:18] <austincheney> on canvas?
# [13:19] <Echoes2> yep
# [13:19] <Echoes2> on canvas
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# [13:53] <aamironline> @ecthiender you can check WebDoodling. www.webdoodling.com
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# [13:53] <ecthiender> okay aamironline
# [13:56] <ecthiender> aamironline, where do i read more about it?
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# [14:50] <aamironline> @ecthiender I am the one who is developing this, currently under private beta... Soon will go live...
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# [14:58] <Velmont> austincheney> http://mailmarkup.org/slideshow.xhtml << it blinks for me. I have a vertical screen layout and use Opera 11.62
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# [14:58] <Velmont> Seems it can't figure out to use height:100% or width: 100%. Probably some js, because it jumps kinda slowly up and down.
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# [21:13] <FlashDev> Hello any idea how to remove the space on top before the header ?
# [21:13] <FlashDev> I did body{ margin:0; padding:0; }
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# [21:13] <FlashDev> but still
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# [21:18] <FlashDev> Hello any idea how to remove the space on top before the header ?
# [21:18] <FlashDev> I did body{ margin:0; padding:0; }
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# [21:26] <paul_irish_> html, body { ..
# [21:27] <paul_irish_> you might want to use a reset.css FlashDev if you'd like things like that
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# [21:30] <FlashDev> Hi Paul , just before let me say Thanks for all the work you do for the community !
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# [21:31] <FlashDev> ok I will use a reset.css , its a small project and I am a beginner was not sure if it was a good idea to use html5boilerplate yet
# [21:31] <FlashDev> do you have a reset.css to advice ?
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# [21:44] <obert-> *{margin:0;padding:0;outline:none;}
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# [21:58] <FlashDev> obert-: Thanks ! it works
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# [22:02] <QiBala> * ..... noooooooo
# [22:03] <obert-> :)
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# [22:06] <QiBala> obert-: you can pick up parts of any css reset or normalize .. don't use *
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# [22:46] <bean___> hello Iam not a very experienced HTML-Developer with a simple use case ... I have a site that hase lots of pages with the same layout (just the <nav> tags and one <section> tag content is altering)
# [22:47] <bean___> I thought of using JQuery templating to not write the same code over and over again .... but It's all resolved at runtime -> so my question is (because my template content is always static) is there a way to compile it or another non jQuery solution that fits better?
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# [22:50] <skylamer`> к cna alzo ask in #Jquery Chan :)
# [22:51] <bean___> yes I did .... because Iam not sure if jQuery is right in generall
# [22:53] <miketaylr> does it need to be client side?
# [22:53] <miketaylr> can't you just use some kind of server side include?
# [22:53] <Jon47> bean___ jquery templating is in beta and will never make it past beta
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# [22:54] <Jon47> if you decide that client-side templating is truly the best choice, my advice would be to look into some other templating technology (underscore.js, mustache, handlebars etc.. etc..)
# [22:55] <bean___> the app will be on a Java serve ... but currently I dont think that a server side solution is good (prouces lots of overhead) espeacially beacause its all static a compiled solution just to help deleoping would be the best
# [22:56] <bean___> underscore.js, mustache are also on runtime ?
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# [23:00] <bean___> Jon47 handlebar has a precompiling is there a way to get the absolute static html
# [23:00] <Jon47> underscore can do compiled templates
# [23:01] <Jon47> i don't know about hte others..
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# [23:02] <bean___> have you a link on howto do this
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# [23:05] <Jon47> bean___: http://documentcloud.github.com/underscore/#template
# [23:06] <bean___> Jon47 Iam on this site but this is runtime compilation
# [23:06] <bean___> I want to do it on my machine and just delivier html without JS
# [23:06] <Jon47> what do you mean by runtime
# [23:07] <Jon47> oh
# [23:07] <Jon47> then use your java servlet to render the html dude
# [23:07] <Jon47> somebody's gotta do the work
# [23:07] <bean___> its on the client (the customer downloads JS +html and computes at "runtime") but I have just static content and the problem of a template usage
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# [23:08] <bean___> damn its really amazing that a such simple project setup has not been occoured so often that there is a tool out there for this :D
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# [23:11] <bean___> Jon47 anyway ... thanks for your help
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# [23:13] <Jon47> bean___: I can't honestly say I really understand what you're asking but I haven't got time to architect your project for you
# [23:13] <Jon47> have you looked into XHR? like jquery .load() method or something
# [23:13] <Jon47> ajax..
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# [23:39] <rhelic> give up on this html5 sillyness, IE6 for lyfe!
# [23:39] * OzDave_imac is not a fan of time travel :P
# [23:39] <rhelic> it's not the past, IE6 is alive and well
# [23:39] <rhelic> I just downgraded IE in Win7 and couldn't be happier
# [23:40] <rhelic> I don't know how I lived without all these free toolbars and ActiveX addons
# [23:40] <rhelic> I just got the best smilies addon for my emails!
# [23:41] <OzDave_imac> lol
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