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  104. # [02:23] <grantg> Everyone who uses Int*Array or Uint*Array typed array objects, add workarounds for Opera.
  105. # [02:23] <bot-t> (103 hours ago) <paul_irish> tell grantg from one of the v8 engineers.. "I'll try to put some feedback about Crankshaft optimization on the team's OKRs, with the ultimate idea to expose some of it to the dev tools. " :D :D
  106. # [02:24] <grantg> Opera does the math wrong on these specific TAs
  107. # [02:25] <grantg> I only allow float32 now for opera, as everything else requested gets changed to normal arrays - https://github.com/grantgalitz/GameBoy-Online/commit/8ef76bbe57cb845075def53db39433ca309adcab
  108. # [02:25] <socialhapy> ★ Commit on GameBoy-Online by grantgalitz (5m, 3s ago): Working around critical Opera math bugs specific to Int32Array and Uint8Array typed array objects.
  109. # [02:26] <grantg> Using all the unsigned and signed 8/16/32 bit variants is broken in opera
  110. # [02:27] <grantg> Opera corrupts the data
  111. # [02:29] <grantg> Opera misreads on how it stores its own data, and also probably is a critical overflow security issue as well
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  115. # [02:42] <grantg> http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/521471
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  117. # [02:43] <grantg> lawl, not the only one noticing these leaks
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  121. # [02:50] <grantg> paul_irish: Thanks for the message. :D
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  129. # [03:05] <austincheney> what are some of the security features associated with html5?\
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  134. # [03:21] <WebDragon> awareness of the need for such, that transcends mere html+css
  135. # [03:21] <WebDragon> ;)
  136. # [03:22] <WebDragon> you're more likely to have a security issue on the backend of forms processing than you are with the front-end of forms input
  137. # [03:22] <WebDragon> validation and processing really don't have a lot to do with the front end html
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  140. # [03:23] <austincheney> well I have read about the evercookie and XSS exploits and spyware injection and such
  141. # [03:24] <austincheney> much of this was possible but somewhat rare before html5, but now its as common as candy
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  186. # [05:05] <benschwarz> Hey, I did a peepcode on HTML5 appcache, localstorage and generally building an offline app. http://peepcode.com/products/html5-browser-caching
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  218. # [06:30] <echoSMILE> which software are this kind of things on <canvas> made? http://bitly.com/a/reputation?category=presidential#0a4846af-b194-44e1-b830-a9a55545f3dc
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  225. # [06:57] <progrock> can anyone help me with the inconsistency between ff and chrome in this simple flex-box layout? http://montever.de
  226. # [06:58] <progrock> chome looks right, ff wont center as I thoght it should
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  233. # [07:15] <austincheney> would you guys say that html5 has improved accessbility, harmed accessbiility, or done nothing for it on the web?
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  236. # [07:19] <tw2113> i think it's a wait and see where things go thing with accessibility
  237. # [07:19] <tw2113> and you shouldn't stop using ARIA stuff yet
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  240. # [07:26] <austincheney> is aria fully supported cross browser?
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  242. # [07:29] <tw2113> ?g aria
  243. # [07:29] <tw2113> come on bot
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  245. # [07:29] <tw2113> http://www.w3.org/WAI/
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  249. # [07:32] <austincheney> right, i am aware of what aria is
  250. # [07:33] <tw2113> the site would have more answers about browser support than i would though :P
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  322. # [10:51] <niftylettuce_> not sure if anyone is up, but I have a ? regarding <input type="file" />
  323. # [10:51] <niftylettuce_> basically how would one "fake" a tmp DOM-based file to be "selected"?
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  325. # [10:52] <niftylettuce_> has to be in file system API somewhere...
  326. # [10:53] <jetienne> niftylettuce_: there is a good article on html5rock on fs api
  327. # [10:53] <jetienne> www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/file/filesystem/ with a mini shell :)
  328. # [10:55] <niftylettuce_> yeah im there now
  329. # [10:56] <niftylettuce_> jetienne: lets say I have a string and I want to write it as a temporary ".html" file which I want to post to a form by using the DOM-based "temporary" file as the path for <input type="file"> -- how would I do that?
  330. # [10:57] <niftylettuce_> im guessing $("input[type=file]").val(temporaryPath); ?
  331. # [10:57] <jetienne> niftylettuce_: you read the doc and you tell me. because i dunno :)
  332. # [10:57] <niftylettuce_> fuhhhhh lol
  333. # [10:57] <niftylettuce_> man if i figure htis out
  334. # [10:57] <niftylettuce_> this thing will be amazing
  335. # [10:57] <Ms2ger> You don't
  336. # [10:58] <niftylettuce_> I'm thinking I could write temporary file to local user's computer and then use that file path
  337. # [10:58] <niftylettuce_> a-ha!
  338. # [10:59] <niftylettuce_> that would still require a popup
  339. # [10:59] <niftylettuce_> i wonder if there is anything with localStorage out there for something like this
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  344. # [11:18] <niftylettuce_> woot got it
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  372. # [12:16] <niftylettuce_> well, on a side note, if anyone knows how to emulate a user's click event on a file input in order to utilize a localStorage file versus a user's local file -- please let me know :)
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  374. # [12:17] <moo-_-> niftylettuce_: you want to open a file dialog or what?
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  376. # [12:17] <moo-_-> or fake a fiel dialog?
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  381. # [12:19] <lifechamp> what's the overall status on html5 live video support?
  382. # [12:21] <niftylettuce_> moo-_-: somewhat fake, I basically create a localStorage file named test.html and then I want to use that as the user selected file for a <input type="file" />
  383. # [12:21] <niftylettuce_> moo-_-: testing as a chrome extension right now, not sure if that would give me more permissions to do this
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  387. # [12:25] <moo-_-> lifechamp: no support
  388. # [12:25] <moo-_-> niftylettuce_: you are asking wrong question
  389. # [12:25] <moo-_-> niftylettuce_: what do you want to do with the file once its selected?
  390. # [12:27] <niftylettuce_> moo-_-: trying to hack gmail add attachment to add a localstorage file, i think on change it auto sends xhr request
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  393. # [12:27] <niftylettuce_> so if i could select the localstorage file, then gmail would auto upload it
  394. # [12:27] <moo-_-> niftylettuce_: do you know filereader API=?
  395. # [12:27] <niftylettuce_> ive read of it but i dont know how to hack gmail add attachment to get it to work
  396. # [12:27] <moo-_-> basically XHR file payload does not need to come from file system
  397. # [12:27] <moo-_-> you can stream in any blob
  398. # [12:28] <moo-_-> from string, from localstorage
  399. # [12:28] <niftylettuce_> i dont think something like this is possible, since u can't do like $('input').val(localStorage.getFile('blah.txt'));
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  401. # [12:28] <niftylettuce_> hmm
  402. # [12:28] <moo-_-> but you do not use <form> to submit
  403. # [12:28] <moo-_-> but XHR request object
  404. # [12:28] <moo-_-> one sec
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  406. # [12:28] <niftylettuce_> moo-_-: my problem is I can't figure out what URL to send the request to
  407. # [12:28] <moo-_-> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=!mdn+filereader+xhr
  408. # [12:29] <moo-_-> see uploading user selected file
  409. # [12:29] <moo-_-> in first hit
  410. # [12:29] <niftylettuce_> moo-_-: yeah man I know, but how could you send an XHR to Gmail's add attachment? there isn't a URL anywhere to be found
  411. # [12:30] <moo-_-> niftylettuce_: that's proprietary google interface so you need to decompile their javascripts
  412. # [12:30] <moo-_-> and I don't know why anyone would go to such great lengths
  413. # [12:30] <moo-_-> and google might break it on any day
  414. # [12:30] <lifechamp> what's the ETA on HTML5 wide-support? 2 years or so?
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  416. # [12:31] <moo-_-> lifechamp: http://www.webrtc.org/
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  418. # [12:31] <moo-_-> 1.5 years for the world, 10 years for microsoft browsers I'd say
  419. # [12:32] <moo-_-> chrome today
  420. # [12:32] <moo-_-> almost today
  421. # [12:32] <moo-_-> buggy
  422. # [12:33] <niftylettuce_> moo-_-: any negatives on decompiling and reverse engineering?
  423. # [12:33] <niftylettuce_> moo-_-: lawsuit w8tin to happen/
  424. # [12:33] <niftylettuce_> ?*
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  426. # [12:36] <niftylettuce_> nvm i wont bother with that, you're right they could just change it any day
  427. # [12:36] <moo-_-> niftylettuce_: only that
  428. # [12:36] <moo-_-> 1) it's shitloads of work
  429. # [12:36] <moo-_-> 2) google can break you any day when they roll new internal API
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  439. # [12:58] <niftylettuce_> moo-_-: ty :D
  440. # [12:59] <moo-_-> Now WTF https://twitter.com/#!/moo9000/status/165764267117776896
  441. # [12:59] <socialhapy> ★ Tweet from moo9000: google.fi gives an overlay pop-up for #firefox users to install #chrome - I'd say pretty evil #google #web #sucks ★ http://bit.ly/xjZ1xh
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  443. # [13:02] <b3hnam> I want create some rectangles next to each other,
  444. # [13:02] <b3hnam> Here is my code http://dpaste.com/697420/
  445. # [13:02] <b3hnam> but they are over each other
  446. # [13:04] <b3hnam> I used moveTo() but does not work
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  448. # [13:04] <b3hnam> How can I fix it ?
  449. # [13:10] <moo-_-> b3hnam: fillRect() coordinates are absolute
  450. # [13:10] <moo-_-> and ignore moveTo()
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  456. # [13:22] <skylamer`> expressling working?
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  638. # [20:13] <moo-_-> tw2113: join the club
  639. # [20:13] <moo-_-> remember: !jquery, !mdn, !python and few others :)
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  642. # [20:14] <venom00ut> it doesn't give good results imo
  643. # [20:14] <moo-_-> venom00ut: it works best for tech search
  644. # [20:15] <moo-_-> venom00ut: if you are using firefox you can have google search on address bar and duckduckgo in the search box
  645. # [20:15] <moo-_-> duckduckgo is pitiful when searched e.g. in Finnish, but must if you need to find something in stackoverflow or such
  646. # [20:16] <venom00ut> moo-_-, yeah, my browser allows me to do searches directly on stackoverflow
  647. # [20:16] <venom00ut> I usually use search engines for more sophisticated researches
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  651. # [20:24] <tw2113> moo-_- i remove the searchbox completely and just search by keyword
  652. # [20:28] <tw2113> but i wasn't aware of the ! part
  653. # [20:28] <tw2113> lol \ = i'm feeling ducky
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  655. # [20:31] * moo-_- founds !mdn especially useful for web developers
  656. # [20:31] <moo-_-> finds even
  657. # [20:31] <tw2113> yeah, it's my start page :D
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  659. # [20:34] <tw2113> i'm impressed
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  688. # [21:33] <techrush> looks cool --> http://foundation.zurb.com/
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  713. # [22:39] <jtascher> Hey, I'm seeing a couple of weird issues I'm hoping someone can help me with.. site is accessible here: 4h33.localtunnel.com
  714. # [22:40] <jtascher> The first is the whitespace between the purplish image and the content below it
  715. # [22:40] <jtascher> something is creating 3px of whitespace and I cannot track it down in the css--I see it in chrome, firefox and safari
  716. # [22:41] <jtascher> any thoughts would be appreciated
  717. # [22:43] <kadiks> </summary><!--
  718. # [22:43] <kadiks> --><div>
  719. # [22:44] <jtascher> you're saying it is the whitespace in the source?
  720. # [22:44] <kadiks> might be
  721. # [22:44] <jtascher> I just tried this: "</summary><div class="entry-meta">"
  722. # [22:44] <jtascher> didn't seem to help
  723. # [22:44] <jtascher> also if I remove the entire summary element in the inspector the gap stays
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  725. # [22:47] <jtascher> I'm close to doing position:relative;top:-3px but it just feels so hacky :)
  726. # [22:51] <jtascher> the other bizarre thing is in the featured post area at the top, in firefox only, the margin-left on the summary element only applies to the top line of text
  727. # [22:52] <kadiks> display:block; on the img ?
  728. # [22:52] <jtascher> wow that fixes it
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  731. # [22:53] <jtascher> thanks
  732. # [22:54] <jtascher> any idea why?
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  735. # [22:56] <kadiks> no :-/
  736. # [22:56] <jtascher> ah well
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  738. # [22:56] <jtascher> the other thing I can fix by moving the spacing to padding on the <article> instead of margin on the <summary> but that breaks the box model (width + padding) which I hate doing
  739. # [22:56] <jtascher> but I think I'm gonna have to
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  742. # [22:58] <kadiks> ?
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  746. # [23:01] <jtascher> the w3c validator used to give broken box model warnings (it doesn't seem to be now) when you had a fixed width and padding on the same element
  747. # [23:01] <jtascher> or else I am rmemebering incorrectly
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  749. # [23:15] <progrock> can anyone tell me why this isn't centered in firefox? http://montever.de/ (works fine in chrome.. using flexbox)
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  751. # [23:17] <Pomax> [17:10:12.253] Error in parsing value for 'display'. Declaration dropped. @ http://montever.de/stylesheets/style.css:28
  752. # [23:17] <Pomax> [17:10:12.267] Unknown property 'box-orient'. Declaration dropped. @ http://montever.de/stylesheets/style.css:33
  753. # [23:17] <Pomax> [17:10:12.269] Unknown property 'box-pack'. Declaration dropped. @ http://montever.de/stylesheets/style.css:36
  754. # [23:17] <Pomax> [17:10:12.271] Unknown property 'box-align'. Declaration dropped. @ http://montever.de/stylesheets/style.css:39
  755. # [23:17] <Pomax> [17:10:12.272] Unknown property 'box-flex'. Declaration dropped. @ http://montever.de/stylesheets/style.css:42
  756. # [23:17] <Pomax> [17:10:12.274] Unknown property 'transition'. Declaration dropped. @ http://montever.de/stylesheets/style.css:47
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  758. # [23:17] <Pomax> bad clipboard
  759. # [23:17] <progrock> Pomax: flexbox
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  762. # [23:19] <progrock> all those declarations are correct
  763. # [23:20] <progrock> I'm just wondering why the hroizontal centering isnt working in FF... if any browser has felxbox correct, I would expect it to be FF
  764. # [23:20] <progrock> considering, its actually here the idea was derived from
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  766. # [23:22] <Pomax> add a width:100% and it centers...
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  768. # [23:22] <Pomax> box-align is for box content, so you still need to actually use some css to center the flexbox div itself.
  769. # [23:23] <progrock> Pomax: hmm, interesting. figured it would still be a greedy element and fill 100%... at leats in chrome it does
  770. # [23:23] <progrock> thank you
  771. # [23:23] <progrock> obviousl I oculd get it to center.. I just wanted to know "why" and that seems dead on
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  773. # [23:26] <progrock> I'll have to confirm that.. but seems like the only inconistency I can find between FF and Chrome.. at least with the basic flex box options... I havent messed around with someof the less needed ones
  774. # [23:27] <progrock> nevermind, lol.. major size differences.. looks like they are handling padding differently..
  775. # [23:28] <progrock> actually, could just be the h2 defualt padding... guess I should probably do a css reset on all that shit
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  783. # [23:45] <progrock> Pomax: anycahen you know why setting the width on each section is not working in FF?
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  785. # [23:52] <Pomax> fraid not. I've not looked at flexbox extensively
  786. # [23:52] <progrock> Pomax: ok, thanks anyway
  787. # [23:53] <progrock> I htink i figured it out
  788. # [23:53] <progrock> in FF width = border + padding + content, while in chrome the width is the content, then you add the others two for the actual width on screen
  789. # [23:56] <progrock> kinda sad, was hoping flexbox would actually make shite more consistent, not the other way
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  791. # [23:56] <progrock> and sadly animating from one flex to anothre in css transisitons is not smooth, so I neeed to set a width
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