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  102. # [02:55] <thathurts> does anyone have experience with getting html5 video to work on an ipad?
  103. # [02:55] <thathurts> all i see is the flash fallback, and safari windows does the same thing
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  105. # [02:56] <tw2113> doesn't ipad support mp4?
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  117. # [03:19] <thathurts> it supposedly supports mp4
  118. # [03:19] <thathurts> but i can't find a single html5 demo site that works with it
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  132. # [04:00] <thathurts> yeah
  133. # [04:00] <thathurts> something's fucked in safari 5.x
  134. # [04:00] <thathurts> html5 doesn't work worth a shit
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  177. # [05:11] <JonathanNeal> hello
  178. # [05:15] <jayeffess> hello!
  179. # [05:15] <JonathanNeal> how's it going?
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  274. # [08:42] <trupheenix> i had a question regarding video streaming in HTML5 can anyone help me out?
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  280. # [08:49] <UidX> hi, my iPhone keeps saying cannot play audio when I use audio tag, while all other browsers work totally fine. does anyone know how to fix this?
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  379. # [10:29] <Guest46955> can a rel attribute value only consist out of a single word? I have a value something like "list-item-value", but it gives me the error "Bad value access-info-wrap for attribute rel on element a: Keyword access-info-wrap is not registered."
  380. # [10:29] <Guest46955> access-info-wrap is the value as you can see, but why is this wrong?
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  384. # [10:36] <xec> Guest46955: what? rel attribute? what are you trying to achieve
  385. # [10:37] <Guest46955> xec: it's a rel attribute on an <a> element, so that should be valid. The point is I don't understand the error. Also note that I was not the person that placed the rel attribute and value there, I am working on a collaborative project
  386. # [10:37] <xec> Guest46955: there are a predefined set of values for rel - see http://developers.whatwg.org/links.html#linkTypes
  387. # [10:38] <xec> there is*?
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  400. # [11:25] <grantg> http://www.grantgalitz.org/image_resize/
  401. # [11:26] <grantg> It downloads the HTML5 logo in BMP format, decodes it in javascript, then rescales it with the quality image resizing library I implemented, then outputs the resized image to canvas
  402. # [11:26] <grantg> Supposed to test bmp decoding and image rescaling being done entirely in software rather than letting the browser do it
  403. # [11:26] <grantg> https://github.com/grantgalitz/JS-Image-Resizer/blob/master/resize.js
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  412. # [11:40] <venom00ut> bmp? O_O
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  414. # [11:40] <grantg> yeah
  415. # [11:40] <grantg> and it does it in JS
  416. # [11:41] <grantg> so you can rescale images in webworkers if you wanted to
  417. # [11:41] <grantg> Should help game devs, as you don't need to spawn a canvas context now
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  419. # [11:41] <grantg> It computes a better-than-bilinear image
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  422. # [11:43] <venom00ut> grantg, bmp are too heavy for the web
  423. # [11:43] <grantg> I know, it's a simple format though
  424. # [11:43] <grantg> I coded a quick demo here
  425. # [11:43] <grantg> Not to show off BMP decoding, but rather the image scaling lib
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  427. # [11:44] <venom00ut> couldn't you put it in a <img> as png and take the bitmap? there's an api for that
  428. # [11:44] <grantg> I'm talking about scaling without canvas
  429. # [11:45] <grantg> The BMP downloading via ajax was not the point, the scaling without the browser apis was
  430. # [11:46] <grantg> The only scaling algos I've seen are bilinear 4-taps which suck at perf
  431. # [11:46] <grantg> This does a two pass unlimited tap
  432. # [11:46] <venom00ut> OK then
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  434. # [11:47] <grantg> see http://www.grantgalitz.org/image_resize/resize.js
  435. # [11:47] <grantg> :D
  436. # [11:49] <moo-_-> grantg: what that monster is supposed to do? :)
  437. # [11:49] <moo-_-> aha
  438. # [11:49] <moo-_-> rescale in worker?
  439. # [11:49] <grantg> moo-_-: YES
  440. # [11:49] <grantg> Because it's all in js
  441. # [11:49] <grantg> no canvas context at all
  442. # [11:49] <moo-_-> an interesting approach
  443. # [11:49] <grantg> you could scale some images being downloaded in a worker
  444. # [11:49] <moo-_-> which algo it does use?
  445. # [11:50] <grantg> without muddying up the context2d
  446. # [11:50] <grantg> moo-_-: My own custom 2 pass
  447. # [11:50] <moo-_-> creating <canvas> esp. for big images takes a bad hit in UI thread
  448. # [11:50] <moo-_-> i might find that code useful
  449. # [11:50] <grantg> Scales by width first, then by height
  450. # [11:50] <grantg> 4 channel grouping
  451. # [11:50] <grantg> RGBA
  452. # [11:51] <grantg> But order agnostic
  453. # [11:51] <moo-_-> now
  454. # [11:51] <moo-_-> I only need to write PNG and JPEG decoders in pure js...
  455. # [11:51] <moo-_-> :)
  456. # [11:51] <moo-_-> grantg: android browser (the native) has interesting appraoch for scaling images
  457. # [11:52] <moo-_-> it does decode + resize in the same pass
  458. # [11:52] <moo-_-> which also hinders you
  459. # [11:52] <moo-_-> because resize is forced
  460. # [11:52] <moo-_-> and there is no way to load images beyond certain size
  461. # [11:52] <moo-_-> or access their raw pixel data
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  463. # [11:53] <grantg> moo: If you huffman coded your own binary which has all your images and runtime data bunched up, then you can use this lib after extracting your images
  464. # [11:53] <grantg> basically decode your resouce blob
  465. # [11:53] <moo-_-> grantg: I am loading images from the user computer
  466. # [11:53] <grantg> *resource
  467. # [11:53] <moo-_-> using filereader api
  468. # [11:53] <grantg> moo-_-: true
  469. # [11:54] <moo-_-> why float array, why not byte array?
  470. # [11:55] <grantg> precision
  471. # [11:55] <grantg> Probably could make it float16
  472. # [11:55] <grantg> instead of float32
  473. # [11:55] <moo-_-> 128-bit images :)
  474. # [11:56] <grantg> float allows you to be somewhat bitwidth agnostic
  475. # [11:56] <grantg> This lib is optimized though for resizing over and over
  476. # [11:57] <grantg> as you can see it compiles itself
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  478. # [11:59] <grantg> moo-_-: Would make a good benchmark though
  479. # [12:00] <grantg> It's optimized for JIT engines
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  482. # [12:04] <grantg> It can create a loooot of stack vars though for temp storage, so V8 beasts reg alloc there over JM
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  517. # [13:05] <ravenzz> hey ya
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  521. # [13:06] <ravenzz> so I should markup this Like / Dislike count. What could be the benefit of doing it with the meter tag?
  522. # [13:06] <ravenzz> Is it valid?
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  804. # [19:08] <JonathanNeal> howdy
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  808. # [19:09] <JonathanNeal> http://sandbox.thewikies.com/caniuse/getBrowserFeatures.php?features=json+canvas ... i use this object to construct all of the data served from our new caniuse api --- but i'm not secure that i've organized it correctly, any feedback?
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  825. # [19:30] <taylorRichie> Should I include LessCSS.js in the Plugins.js of Boilerplate?
  826. # [19:30] <jamund> do you use less?
  827. # [19:31] <paul_irish> you shouldnt use less clientside
  828. # [19:32] <taylorRichie> Ok… server side install only? Should I not use less? I haven't in the past, but was going to on this project.
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  830. # [19:32] <taylorRichie> Also looked in to Sass but it looked geared for Ruby / Rails
  831. # [19:32] <Pomax> JonathanNeal: interesting, you're not doing it based on 'structs' for each browser?
  832. # [19:32] <Pomax> I suppose this would be lower runtime
  833. # [19:33] <taylorRichie> Or should I just compile my less files to a static CSS before serving?
  834. # [19:34] <nimbu> never ever taylorRichie
  835. # [19:34] <nimbu> yes
  836. # [19:34] <nimbu> i mean never use less on client side
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  838. # [19:34] <Pomax> ask yourself what happens when something blocks a script. if lessCSS.js is never run, will your site still even make sense?
  839. # [19:35] <taylorRichie> @Pomax, right… I was questioning that.
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  841. # [19:36] <Pomax> sass is not so much ruby for rails as just "you turn scss into css with ruby"
  842. # [19:36] <Pomax> after compiling, it's just plain .css
  843. # [19:36] <taylorRichie> Would you guys recommend forgoing Less? Is there a reason something like less and sass hasn't been included as part of Boilerplate?
  844. # [19:37] <nimbu> yes because it requires commitment from entire teams
  845. # [19:37] <Pomax> I hate less, personally. it's such an atrocious syntax >_>
  846. # [19:37] <nimbu> you cant have one person use less and another use pure css
  847. # [19:37] <nimbu> yeah less is so sad as syntax
  848. # [19:37] <nimbu> sass is so much better
  849. # [19:37] <jamund> taylorRichie: less and scss are virtually the same thing.
  850. # [19:37] <Pomax> sass makes a lot more sense
  851. # [19:37] <nimbu> but who will write a good JS port?
  852. # [19:37] <jamund> they're server side things more than client side things
  853. # [19:37] <Pomax> no need for a css port
  854. # [19:37] <Pomax> *js port
  855. # [19:37] <nimbu> there is
  856. # [19:37] <nimbu> because of node.
  857. # [19:37] <nimbu> we need one.
  858. # [19:37] <Pomax> oh in that sense.
  859. # [19:38] <Pomax> compile ruby to a JS engine using emscripten O_O
  860. # [19:38] <JonathanNeal> Pomax: I'm trying to compile for as many scenarios as possible.
  861. # [19:38] <nimbu> bleh
  862. # [19:38] <Pomax> bit of an overkill ;)
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  864. # [19:38] <nimbu> we need a good one as awesome as the ruby one
  865. # [19:38] <nimbu> if anyone here wants to write one, PLEASE DO SO
  866. # [19:38] <Pomax> JonathanNeal, makes sense. but adding a new browser will be adjusting a lot of tables, rather than one thing
  867. # [19:38] <nimbu> the SASS COMMUNITY WILL OWE YOU BEER FOR LYFE
  868. # [19:38] <JonathanNeal> well, if you want to use caniuse for feature support, then "by_feature" would be your cup of tea.
  869. # [19:39] <JonathanNeal> If you wanted to know, of the features you requested, how each browser stacked up, then "by_agent" would be your cup of tea.
  870. # [19:39] <Pomax> I'd just consider it derived data.
  871. # [19:39] <Pomax> fire up the script, create the derived data based on the browser structs, then consult that.
  872. # [19:39] <JonathanNeal> Pomax: all of this data is derived from one table which is "by_feature" based.
  873. # [19:39] <Pomax> I see
  874. # [19:40] <JonathanNeal> Pomax: the idea is json encoding the smallest payload based on how you want to retrieve the data.
  875. # [19:40] <JonathanNeal> If you wanted to know how all of the features combined stacked up, regardless of each browsers support, then "by_all_features" would be your cup of tea.
  876. # [19:41] <JonathanNeal> "by_useragent_*" does the same thing, but for your sniffed user agent.
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  878. # [19:41] <Pomax> if you're going for smallest payload, can I suggest numerical browser ids?
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  880. # [19:41] <JonathanNeal> well, not all of this data will be delivered, this is what i have to work with on the php side.
  881. # [19:41] <Pomax> (same for categories)
  882. # [19:42] <Pomax> it looks good enough from what I can tell.
  883. # [19:42] <JonathanNeal> the payload will only contain one subset of this combined data.
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  886. # [19:42] <JonathanNeal> and we'll want it to be small in the amount of objects but verbose as far as property names go.
  887. # [19:42] <Pomax> not sure about version ranges being a single string, but if it's just for labeling a cell, not much use in turning it into something else.
  888. # [19:42] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: btw https://plus.google.com/113127438179392830442/posts/Rh17MhQrnud
  889. # [19:43] <Pomax> (and there's always .split in pretty much every single language)
  890. # [19:43] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish: thank you thank you thank you
  891. # [19:43] <Pomax> "what browser's they'll need"
  892. # [19:44] <Pomax> rogue apostrophe snuck into your post
  893. # [19:44] <paul_irish> ruh roh
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  896. # [19:45] <Pomax> I'm out again for a bit. half my face is still numb from the dentist, and it's surprisingly hard to focus on things
  897. # [19:47] <axelator> take it easy Pomax
  898. # [19:47] <JonathanNeal> Pomax: take care of yourself :) thank you for contributing.
  899. # [19:47] <JonathanNeal> I need all the feedback I can get.
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  935. # [20:36] <kurrent> woohoo, chrome for android. been waiting for this day to come
  936. # [20:36] <franksalim> my g+ stream is 90% chrome on android :)
  937. # [20:37] <kurrent> albeit it is much slower though than the stock browser on my asus transf prime :(
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  981. # [21:15] <Iarfen> Hi!!
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  983. # [21:15] <ibike365> hey all
  984. # [21:15] <Iarfen> http://pastebin.com/0W6phbn8 why it doesn't work with chrome?? I have problems with the <audio> element...
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  986. # [21:16] <ibike365> having a discussion here about using <nav> in the footer of a site... any thoughts?
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  988. # [21:16] <Iarfen> ibike365: it's supposed the footer is only for copyrights information, nothing more, but if you want to use it like another container, do it
  989. # [21:17] <ibike365> ah interesting
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  991. # [21:17] <ibike365> i do remember that now :)
  992. # [21:17] <miroslav013> hello to the room! :)
  993. # [21:18] <ibike365> so lets say it's not in a <footer> and is just some sitewide links that are going to be at the bottom of each page...
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  997. # [21:20] <Iarfen> ibike365: so you can do that :D
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  1000. # [21:21] <Iarfen> ibike365: search "the missing manual html5" on google ;)
  1001. # [21:21] <ibike365> will do. thanks.
  1002. # [21:21] <Iarfen> no one knows what's the problem with chrome?? :D
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  1009. # [21:30] <tw2113> i'm a Firefox user :D
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  1012. # [21:33] <moo-_-> tw2113: that's the way :)
  1013. # [21:33] <tw2113> Chrome makes a good tweetdeck app :)
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  1018. # [21:38] <andrewjbaker> Evening all.
  1019. # [21:38] <xec> evening
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  1043. # [22:11] <uf0_work> howdy
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  1045. # [22:12] <uf0_work> need some advice :)
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  1047. # [22:13] <uf0_work> i'll be leaving my job at corporate world soon (no more ie6!) and would like to know what's the best way of exiting
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  1049. # [22:14] <uf0_work> i hear the basics are, resignation email and on last day a farewell email
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  1051. # [22:15] <uf0_work> i've never left a job (at least at a corporate one).. so this is kinda new to me
  1052. # [22:17] <uf0_work> anyways, i'd appreciate any advice on those who are more experienced
  1053. # [22:17] <hmzfier> dude why are you leaving ur job?
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  1055. # [22:17] <uf0_work> because i'm tired of it lol.. want to try something else
  1056. # [22:17] <niftylettuce_> uf0_work: walk out
  1057. # [22:18] <uf0_work> lol walk out.. great advice!
  1058. # [22:18] <hmzfier> oic
  1059. # [22:18] <niftylettuce_> LOL
  1060. # [22:18] <uf0_work> i wish it were that easy
  1061. # [22:18] <hmzfier> dont walk out LOL
  1062. # [22:18] <niftylettuce_> axe for a raise
  1063. # [22:18] <niftylettuce_> GET IT, AXE!
  1064. # [22:18] <niftylettuce_> lol...
  1065. # [22:18] <uf0_work> LOL
  1066. # [22:19] <niftylettuce_> or do something normal, like write a neat letter, being polite and thankful, and then giving them two weeks to find joe schmoe
  1067. # [22:19] <uf0_work> niftylettuce_: makes sense
  1068. # [22:19] <uf0_work> should I send a farewell on last day as well too or not?
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  1071. # [22:20] <andrewjbaker> Personally, I'd check w/ a colleague what the accepted protocol is for the company you're leaving after you've handed in your notice dude.
  1072. # [22:21] <uf0_work> andrewjbaker: umm.. I defenitely don't want to tell anyone my plans within the company
  1073. # [22:21] <andrewjbaker> "after you've handed in your notice" <- re: the farewell e-mail.
  1074. # [22:21] <uf0_work> i'm thinking about doing the 2 weeks route
  1075. # [22:22] <andrewjbaker> In the UK, you typically have a notice period in your contract of employment. Depends on the country you're in, I guess.
  1076. # [22:22] <uf0_work> well i'm in the US
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  1078. # [22:23] <uf0_work> and the rules are... 2-3 weeks notice in my contract
  1079. # [22:23] <uf0_work> that's it.
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  1081. # [22:23] <uf0_work> i'm just debating now if a farewell is necessary lol
  1082. # [22:24] <uf0_work> FAREWELL my friends!
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  1085. # [22:24] <andrewjbaker> 2-3 weeks... Mine's like 2 months!
  1086. # [22:24] <uf0_work> the thing i wonder.. though
  1087. # [22:24] <uf0_work> a 2 weeks notice
  1088. # [22:24] <uf0_work> the same thing as a "resignation letter"
  1089. # [22:24] <andrewjbaker> Things must be very different in the US.^^
  1090. # [22:25] <uf0_work> thinking about it.. yea i guess it is
  1091. # [22:25] <uf0_work> andrewjbaker: would you do a farewell on the last day?
  1092. # [22:25] <uf0_work> or not
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  1095. # [22:27] <andrewjbaker> Yes.
  1096. # [22:27] <andrewjbaker> But that's cos' I'm nice. :-D
  1097. # [22:27] * andrewjbaker beams w/ niceness.^^
  1098. # [22:27] <uf0_work> heh..
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  1100. # [22:28] <uf0_work> what if i say.. "you guys fucking suck, i'm out lamez!"
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  1102. # [22:29] <andrewjbaker> Don't burn bridges. It's quite unprofessional.
  1103. # [22:29] <andrewjbaker> Thinking it is allowed. ;-)
  1104. # [22:30] <uf0_work> lol yea i was kidding!
  1105. # [22:30] <andrewjbaker> Just don't voice it. :-D
  1106. # [22:30] <uf0_work> i'm gonna say " you guys were the greatest, enjoyed the time here! good bye."
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  1108. # [22:31] <uf0_work> err.. anyways.. appreciate all the advice here
  1109. # [22:31] <jax55> hello, i have a question, and i am willing to pay for anyones time who help me fix this...
  1110. # [22:32] <jax55> we are trying to implement app cache on we basically want to know how to turn off all html page caching because our content is dynamic
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  1116. # [22:34] <jax55> anyone?
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  1132. # [22:58] <Armen_> jax55: add ?<random number> to the end of every file you load ;)
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  1134. # [22:59] <jax55> Armen_ is that the only solution? we actually came to the same conclusion but said there must be a smarter way
  1135. # [23:00] <miketaylr> i think there's a header you can set
  1136. # [23:00] <paul_irish> nimbu: you saw this? http://thenextweb.com/dd/2012/02/01/worried-about-html5css3-being-unsupported-this-site-tells-you-whats-safe/
  1137. # [23:00] <miketaylr> in the spec it's mentioned
  1138. # [23:00] <miketaylr> but i think there are bugs, naturally
  1139. # [23:00] <nimbu> i have not paul_irish
  1140. # [23:00] <nimbu> its much better written thankfully
  1141. # [23:01] <miketaylr> jax55: Cache-Control: no-store maybe
  1142. # [23:02] <jax55> miketaylr, where do you put that? in the manifest file?
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  1144. # [23:03] <miketaylr> jax55: your server would have to send that with the dynamic content
  1145. # [23:04] <miketaylr> but last i heard there was a bug in chrome, so it may not work perfectly
  1146. # [23:04] <jax55> miketaylr, gotcha, thx, i will look into it and let you know. if your interested in working with us to resolve this, with compensation, please PM me
  1147. # [23:05] <miketaylr> nah, i'm about to split anyways
  1148. # [23:05] <miketaylr> good luck ;)
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  1150. # [23:07] <jax55> miketaylr, thank you. i appreciate it
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