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  50. # [00:38] <Jesterous> 'Lo all!
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  81. # [01:13] <paul_irish> I don't always test in IE http://i.imgur.com/yMkRc.png
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  99. # [01:24] <Jesterous> Is this channel purely about html5? Can I ask a question about hosting? I'm a beginner to web development and I dunno where to ask really simple questions!
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  103. # [01:28] <paul_irish> Jesterous: might wanna try #web for that
  104. # [01:28] <paul_irish> we try and stick to more advanced webdev questions
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  106. # [01:30] <Jesterous> paul_irish: Hokay, thanks :) Just getting into all the html5/CSS3 stuff and really excited by it all, but, like I say, basically a beginnner... :S
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  110. # [01:31] <Jesterous> paul_irish: I take it you're the boilerplate man? :P
  111. # [01:32] <paul_irish> ho ho ho
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  114. # [01:34] <Jesterous> Just read that again.. didn't actually mean to joke there! Ah well, never mind
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  116. # [01:35] <paul_irish> yes i am :) hi hi
  117. # [01:35] <paul_irish> just busy so being terse
  118. # [01:36] <Jesterous> Hah, no worries... I'm an excited newbie... lol
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  120. # [01:38] <Jesterous> Don't even know much about IRC, just read something somewhere mentioning this room and come over for a look
  121. # [01:39] <tw2113> welcome
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  123. # [01:39] <tw2113> have a seat, have some koolaid
  124. # [01:39] <tw2113> no not that koolaid
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  126. # [01:39] <Jesterous> Haha, cheers! :)
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  129. # [01:41] <Jesterous> Though it'll probably be a wee while before I can actually contribute anything!
  130. # [01:43] <tw2113> one idea...lurk and observe, click things that people share
  131. # [01:44] <Jesterous> Okay, will do
  132. # [01:44] <Jesterous> I'm trying to imitate a sponge just now.
  133. # [01:44] <andrewjbaker> Ha, ha.
  134. # [01:45] <Jesterous> Soaking up everything I can about html5 and CSS3
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  136. # [01:45] <Jesterous> lol
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  138. # [01:46] <Jesterous> Really excited by it all. Just finishing my first Wordpress site, using html5 and a tiny bit of the CSS3 stuff
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  140. # [01:47] <tw2113> it's an exciting time to be in the field
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  142. # [01:48] <Jesterous> It feels it :)
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  648. # [07:22] <niftylettuce_> best way to disable a stylesheet clear down to IE6? #jquery is quiet
  649. # [07:22] <niftylettuce_> prop disabled?
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  688. # [08:30] <Trisox> any reason wy i cant get ie9 in "edge mode"? it switches back to ie7 document mode and browser mode ie9 compat view. this happends even with <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=edge">
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  695. # [08:43] <Trisox> got it interanet renders Compatibility View
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  720. # [09:24] <unlocked> Hi, I am looking to make a whole content block into a link. In previous versions of html it was considered bad practice (and invalid!) to place a <a> over block elements such as <p>, <div>, ... Even though html5 allows this, I've experienced some issues with this in older browsers and 3rd party plugins. Therefore I am wondering what the best way is to place a link over a whole block of content. I know I could h2,p,div, etc into span
  721. # [09:25] <unlocked> that's just bad semantically speaking. another solution would be to set my <a> to position absolute, make it the same width and height as the content block and position it right on top, but that's not very flexible
  722. # [09:28] <unlocked> So that again puts me to doubt as I don't really know what the best approach is to adding links to a contentblock. Of course a _last_ solution that I could think of is adding links to every single element individually, but that doesn't really seem like an attractive solution either (although I know it would work and will be valid)
  723. # [09:28] <unlocked> So please, if anyone could help me out, I'd be very greatful )
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  727. # [09:35] <Moo-_^> unlocked: no
  728. # [09:36] <Moo-_^> the correc solution is to set display: block for <a>
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  733. # [09:40] <unlocked> Moo-_^: well why would I need display: block for my link?
  734. # [09:40] <unlocked> Moo-_^: or more specifically, what would I do with my block-level anchor?
  735. # [09:41] <Moo-_^> to make it a block
  736. # [09:41] <unlocked> Moo-_^: Of course I am aware that you can make your links look like blocks, but I am talking about a whole chunk of html that needs to be inside of it (yes, again, this is valid HTML5, I am aware of this)
  737. # [09:44] <trupheenix> is there anyone here who can help me with html5 video?
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  739. # [09:51] <unlocked> Moo-_^: http://oli.jp/2009/html5-block-level-links/
  740. # [09:51] <unlocked> I think this is my answer: not possible in a clean way :-). So in case you wondered yourself, there you go
  741. # [09:54] <Moo-_^> trupheenix: http://opensourcehacker.com/2011/03/17/rfc-simple-internet-question-asking-protocol-for-human-beings/
  742. # [09:54] <Moo-_^> unlocked: thanks :)
  743. # [09:56] <trupheenix> Moo-_^, hi. i am facing the following problem. I am not able to figure out what response headers I should send to a client which is asking for a video resource using the html5 <video> tag. maybe someone can tell me how the response from the server is structured?
  744. # [09:56] <Moo-_^> trupheenix: good :)
  745. # [09:56] <Moo-_^> you need to set Content-type correctly
  746. # [09:57] <Moo-_^> other headers don't matter
  747. # [09:57] <Moo-_^> stackoverflow.com contains examples how to set this regarding your server platform
  748. # [09:57] <trupheenix> Moo-_^, i did set the content type correctly.
  749. # [09:57] <Moo-_^> then it works and there is no problem :)
  750. # [09:57] <trupheenix> Moo-_^, but i want to know how the header is structured when you are sending partial content for a large file. it should allow for progressive download and playback.
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  752. # [09:58] <Moo-_^> then you should have asked so in the first place :)
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  754. # [09:58] <Moo-_^> Range: header is what you are looking for
  755. # [09:58] <Moo-_^> the best example is to go a good known html5 site and debug the HTTP requests using Firebug or similar tool
  756. # [09:58] <trupheenix> Moo-_^, i have done that. but can i show you what request and response headers i am getting on my end?
  757. # [09:58] <Moo-_^> trupheenix: you can do that yourself
  758. # [09:59] <trupheenix> Moo-_^, maybe you can see that and suggest where I am going wrong.
  759. # [09:59] <Moo-_^> I am not aware of your setup or nor interest what you are doing
  760. # [09:59] <trupheenix> Moo-_^, just writing a server which will serve the video.
  761. # [10:00] <trupheenix> Moo-_^, can you tell me where I might be going wrong with the headers? i will paste it on a pastebin
  762. # [10:00] <Moo-_^> trupheenix: if you can extract all meaningful information to pastie.org from your requests and response headers people on this channel might be able to help
  763. # [10:00] <Moo-_^> trupheenix: but I am personally really busy and I don't want to start digging it unless you can provide all information directly
  764. # [10:01] <Moo-_^> which is why I pasted the question asking link in the first place
  765. # [10:01] <trupheenix> Moo-_^, ok
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  767. # [10:04] <trupheenix> Moo-_^, http://pastie.org/3339995
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  769. # [10:06] <trupheenix> Moo-_^, I don't understand why the client sends a request with Range: bytes=0-
  770. # [10:09] <trupheenix> can someone point out where am i going wrong with this response headers for serving a html5 video resource? http://pastie.org/3339995 i want to be able to stream the content in a progressive fashion.
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  802. # [10:37] <skim1776> hello, which are the most popular js libraries for canvas graphics?
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  821. # [11:01] <Trisox> what is the best site for seeing browser market share?
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  834. # [11:24] <razzle> hi
  835. # [11:24] <razzle> im guessing html5 causes input field id="email" to go red in some browsers, how to override this?
  836. # [11:24] <razzle> with css
  837. # [11:24] <razzle> just a background change?
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  859. # [12:11] <_absolutdc> Hi, I've an Horisontal list problem. It works on all browsers, except IE. You can see in: http://www.nara.es/prueba/
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  868. # [12:19] <csmrfx> Hey I'm looking for fresh video presentations on html5 technologies?
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  883. # [12:47] <Moo-_^> csmrfx: check links in the channel topic
  884. # [12:47] <Moo-_^> _absolutdc: most likely you don't use html5shim and IE does not support HTML4
  885. # [12:47] <Moo-_^> sorry HTML5
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  887. # [12:53] <niftylettuce_> moooooooo
  888. # [12:53] <niftylettuce_> had to do it
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  898. # [13:08] <csmrfx> Strange thing happened with html5rocks link.
  899. # [13:09] <csmrfx> It was blocked by noscript. Once I enabled it, a redirect page (custom) was presented - it was blocked, too). I didn't enable redirect, but followed the provided static link - and ended up in a poker site ad.
  900. # [13:09] <csmrfx> Ideas what happened?
  901. # [13:11] <niftylettuce_> play poker win cash money
  902. # [13:12] <niftylettuce_> provide the link bro
  903. # [13:12] <niftylettuce_> or lady
  904. # [13:13] <csmrfx> well, I already closed the poker ad tab
  905. # [13:14] <csmrfx> I just used the links on the topic, http://html5rocks.com
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  907. # [13:17] <niftylettuce_> csmrfx: sounds like you got something weird going on locally
  908. # [13:17] <niftylettuce_> you're infected!
  909. # [13:17] <niftylettuce_> j/k, check to make sure no other chrome instances are running
  910. # [13:17] <niftylettuce_> also, if you can let us know the exact topic/link you clicked
  911. # [13:17] <niftylettuce_> seems like something on your end, i can't replicate
  912. # [13:17] <csmrfx> I cannot replicate either.
  913. # [13:18] <csmrfx> Recap: clicked on http://html5rocks.com - it was blocked by noscript, enabled it, got redirect page that led to ads.
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  916. # [13:19] <niftylettuce_> csmrfx: somethin on ur site bro..
  917. # [13:19] <niftylettuce_> side***
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  919. # [13:21] <csmrfx> Rather weird eh
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  926. # [13:36] <mnemoc> hi, do you know a site where one can see how to implement in html5/css3 different kind of.... widgets?
  927. # [13:36] <mnemoc> i mean, for inspiration and guidence
  928. # [13:43] <csmrfx> now, html5rocks?
  929. # [13:47] <mnemoc> from what I can see that site is focused in what's new in html5... I'm looking for a place to learn how to ... design useful, simple and good looking "pages" component by component
  930. # [13:48] <csmrfx> mnemoc: I think that place is your editor and your browser
  931. # [13:48] <csmrfx> mnemoc: just imagine up a simple project and make it true
  932. # [13:48] <mnemoc> csmrfx: when you have taste, sure... but I don't
  933. # [13:49] <csmrfx> acquired skill, 's all
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  936. # [13:50] <mnemoc> csmrfx: so there is nothing like an encyclopedia of web ui components around?
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  939. # [13:54] <csmrfx> ok, so you want some kind of ui component library?
  940. # [13:55] <mnemoc> more than a library to plug i'm looking to learn how to implement each without needing to eat a whole framework/library of someone else
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  942. # [13:56] <mnemoc> maybe you can suggest a good book? :)
  943. # [13:56] <csmrfx> mnemoc: ok, to learn.
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  945. # [13:56] <csmrfx> So you want to design user interfaces?
  946. # [13:56] <mnemoc> yes
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  952. # [13:57] <mnemoc> for web apps
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  955. # [13:59] <csmrfx> hm, sorry, I can't recommend a book, I'm far too deep in this to tell whats good for ppl new to it all
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  957. # [14:00] <csmrfx> but, I would again recommend learning doing it instead of reading about it
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  959. # [14:00] <csmrfx> *learning by
  960. # [14:00] <csmrfx> Just ask a lot of questions
  961. # [14:01] <mnemoc> :)
  962. # [14:01] <csmrfx> Well, you noobs have it easy now
  963. # [14:02] <csmrfx> Youtube is filled with delicious video lectures on every CS, HCI, UI design etc topic
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  969. # [14:04] <mnemoc> i wish I could have the time for watching video lectures :-/ ... I have 7 weeks to turn my car wash controller from framebuffer dashbboard and ugly config file into "modern looking web friendly app"... :(
  970. # [14:04] <csmrfx> well, a good video lecture does in 55 minutes what a good book does in 4 to 8 hours.
  971. # [14:04] <mnemoc> i made an http interface, but it looks like made in 1995 *puke*
  972. # [14:05] <csmrfx> And to finish a webapp on your own and have it look slick in 7 weeks, on your own, really takes good planning skills.
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  974. # [14:07] <mnemoc> :)
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  979. # [14:12] <csmrfx> Yeah do it!
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  1216. # [19:38] <xarxer> This isn't really HTML5-related, but does anyone know how to put a webcam-feed on ones website?
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  1238. # [19:50] <silky> no, that is a flash-only protocol
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  1282. # [20:49] <paul_irish> RobLoach: look at webrtc ... also you xarxer
  1283. # [20:49] <paul_irish> supported in chrome canary with a flag turned on
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  1308. # [21:28] <RobLoach> Definitely very fancy... I've used Flowplayer in the past, but this definitely looks like the direction to go.
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  1329. # [21:57] <ProLoser|Work> just curious, you guys know the discuss is broken on the h5bp site right?
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  1344. # [22:11] <martisj> I can't decide whether to use a section or a div or article, I have a participate-in-competition link and some text about the competition in an <article> with a h1 and paragraph inside. I want to style this a bit, should I do div then, or section, argument; the content is still related
  1345. # [22:11] <paul_irish> nimbu: ^
  1346. # [22:12] <nimbu> use whatever works
  1347. # [22:12] <nimbu> IT DOESNT MATTER
  1348. # [22:12] <nimbu> at least for a website.
  1349. # [22:13] * nimbu is really tired of saying it doesnt matter
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  1351. # [22:14] <martisj> nimbu: I luuuuuuv your style!!
  1352. # [22:14] <tw2113> set up an irc command to do it for you
  1353. # [22:14] <tw2113> /idm or something
  1354. # [22:15] <martisj> So much discussion about the friggin section element
  1355. # [22:15] <nimbu> forget it.
  1356. # [22:15] <nimbu> use it for readability
  1357. # [22:15] <nimbu> thats all
  1358. # [22:15] <tw2113> i can't claim much section use, for what its worth
  1359. # [22:16] <martisj> damn it, I'll just use a div :D
  1360. # [22:16] <martisj> yeah
  1361. # [22:16] <tw2113> which isn't depreciated
  1362. # [22:17] <tw2113> that should be a bullet point at the top of any semantic tag article on sites...div isn't depreciated
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  1366. # [22:19] <martisj> tw2113: do you mean deprecated_
  1367. # [22:19] <martisj> i.e. removed from the spec.
  1368. # [22:19] <tw2113> yeah that word
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  1388. # [22:47] <martisj> Is there a build option to just put essential files in a publish folder? for the h5bp?
  1389. # [22:47] <nimbu> what is essential
  1390. # [22:47] <nimbu> you can set a bypass mode.
  1391. # [22:47] <nimbu> for js files you dont want to be included
  1392. # [22:47] <nimbu> in config/project.properties
  1393. # [22:48] <martisj> nimbu: sorry wasn't specific enough, no minification of css and js for debugging and posting in irc channels for feedback.
  1394. # [22:48] <martisj> nimbu: know what I mean?
  1395. # [22:48] <nimbu> martisj: there is an option to not minify called test i think
  1396. # [22:49] <nimbu> sorry
  1397. # [22:49] <nimbu> ant build dev?
  1398. # [22:49] <nimbu> i forget.
  1399. # [22:49] <martisj> i am just lazy and don't want to deselect the build folder and other files :D
  1400. # [22:49] <martisj> hahaha
  1401. # [22:49] <martisj> i'll give it a twirl
  1402. # [22:49] <martisj> i know there is a target called text
  1403. # [22:49] <nimbu> yeah that would minify html tho
  1404. # [22:50] <martisj> and css?
  1405. # [22:50] <nimbu> try ant basics dev
  1406. # [22:51] <martisj> ant basics -Denv=dev
  1407. # [22:51] <martisj> :D
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  1409. # [22:51] <nimbu> oops yes
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  1411. # [22:52] <martisj> css is still minified
  1412. # [22:53] <martisj> hmm css isn't even copied :D
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  1414. # [22:55] <nimbu> uh oh
  1415. # [22:55] <nimbu> should probably create an issue for that.
  1416. # [22:55] <nimbu> how about ant build -Denv=dev
  1417. # [22:55] <martisj> trying now
  1418. # [22:55] <martisj> does image optimization
  1419. # [22:56] <nimbu> yeah it does
  1420. # [22:56] <nimbu> text wont do image optimization
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  1423. # [22:58] <martisj> text minifies though :D WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
  1424. # [22:59] <martisj> fuuuug it.
  1425. # [22:59] <martisj> I'm looking for the answer to a very simple question though :D
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  1460. # [23:45] <jamund> Anyone able to offer some feedback on an internal accessibility standards doc I'm working on ? https://gist.github.com/7793c097795a562e70c9
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  1462. # [23:45] <jamund> It's just meant to cover low hanging fruit
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