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  1. # Session Start: Fri Feb 10 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
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  6. # [00:12] <csmrfx> jarek: at least you're not using jquery with your svg
  7. # [00:13] <jarek> I detest jQuery
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  9. # [00:13] <jarek> it used to be useful few years ago, but now it's only causing problems
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  21. # [00:16] <csmrfx> well, the css selectors for traversing DOM are a brilliant idea that took DOM W3 group over a decade to get
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  23. # [00:16] <csmrfx> or whatever
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  26. # [00:17] <jarek> document.querySelector() was inspired by jQuery?
  27. # [00:17] <csmrfx> who knows but it is the same idea
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  29. # [00:18] <jarek> definitely superior to XPath
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  31. # [00:19] <csmrfx> I'd say more practical
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  34. # [00:20] <csmrfx> try teaching ppl xpath axis and they will be like wha? why didnt it select this or that
  35. # [00:21] <insin> parent::*/text() - your move, CSS
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  50. # [00:37] <Moo-_^> querySelector() was most likely inspired by CSS
  51. # [00:37] <Moo-_^> like it inspired jQuery selectors...
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  62. # [00:56] <WebDragon> paul_irish: actually I'd intended to ask you about the chrome frame stuff but I found what I was looking for
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  130. # [02:51] <grantg> paul_irish: image-rendering: webkit-optimize-contrast should use a different scaling algo
  131. # [02:51] <grantg> What do you think?
  132. # [02:51] <grantg> There are better algos that keep the contrast that don't flicker like nearest neighbor
  133. # [02:52] <grantg> It seems -moz-crisp-edges also uses nn
  134. # [02:53] <grantg> That image resizing algo I did not too long ago does this, and V8 can run it well in js, so a c++ version wouldn't seem bad
  135. # [02:53] <grantg> https://github.com/grantgalitz/JS-Image-Resizer/blob/master/resize.js
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  139. # [02:53] <grantg> It doesn't have the pixel grow/shrink flicker like nearest-neighbor
  140. # [02:54] <grantg> so thinks like a background moving don't have flicker
  141. # [02:54] <grantg> because it uses a rolling counter system that's float based and will resolve intermediary pixels
  142. # [02:55] <grantg> scaling down will cause a bilinear effect, to prevent image data loss, while upscaling will look closer to nearest-neighbor, the larger it's scaled up by
  143. # [02:56] <grantg> I already tested it in my js gbc emulator in firefox and chrome, performs on par with nearest neighbor
  144. # [02:56] <grantg> due to the tight loops
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  146. # [02:56] <grantg> Damn, I should really help the webkit guys out and port this code to c++
  147. # [02:57] <grantg> :I
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  151. # [02:58] <grantg> http://i.imgur.com/tkyOq.jpg is what it looks like when heavily upscaled (pic from the algo being used to js scale the image, instead of letting chrome scale it)
  152. # [02:59] <grantg> Should be cache-local for at least the second resize pass
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  157. # [03:03] <grantg> It looks like it's not multi-tap, but it is, it has a counter system for an inner loop that adds to a rolling average
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  159. # [03:07] <grantg> Also, it does RGBA, so it should play nicely
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  272. # [06:23] <villain_> http://dev.estudioignis.com/pepper/ - I'm needing help to validate this in ie6/7 :/
  273. # [06:23] <villain_> menu's breaking, the boxs aren't floating, anyone could help me?
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  278. # [06:27] <JonathanNeal> html5 is cool
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  306. # [07:07] <faraway> hi, i know there is not everything final for html5, but i'm wondering if there is something like a "DTD" for html5 that defines which attributes are valid for which element, and a definition which elements are allowed in a an element. i know that this is defined in the spec, but extracting this information by hand could lead to errors
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  1038. # [13:46] <robinduckett> Anyone know where I can get a reference of the events triggered by the input[type="range"] element?
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  1040. # [13:48] <csmrfx> !g html5 input type="range"
  1041. # [13:48] <csmrfx> ?g html5 input type="range"
  1042. # [13:48] <bot-t> csmrfx, input type=range – imprecise number-input control (NEW) - HTML5 - http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/input.range.html
  1043. # [13:52] <csmrfx> hmmm
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  1045. # [13:52] <robinduckett> csmrfx: yes because I'm incapable of googling
  1046. # [13:53] <robinduckett> there is no events listed
  1047. # [13:53] <robinduckett> *are
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  1049. # [13:57] <csmrfx> indeed, seems there is v
  1050. # [13:57] <csmrfx> ery little documentation on that topic
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  1053. # [14:00] <Motafoca> guys, is there a make to mask the caracters on an input using html5 and no javascript?
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  1056. # [14:00] <skylamer`> what u mean by 'mask' ?
  1057. # [14:01] <Motafoca> like i type a date 99/99/9999
  1058. # [14:01] <Motafoca> it only allows numbers
  1059. # [14:01] <Motafoca> to be typed
  1060. # [14:01] <skylamer`> yes
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  1062. # [14:02] <Motafoca> how?
  1063. # [14:02] <Motafoca> :)
  1064. # [14:02] <skylamer`> input type date, number and others
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  1066. # [14:03] <Motafoca> skylamer`: i tried this example: http://www.w3schools.com/html5/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml5_input_type_date
  1067. # [14:03] <Motafoca> it allows me to type anything
  1068. # [14:04] <moo_> Motafoca: http://w3fools.com/
  1069. # [14:04] <moo_> w3cschools.com is bad source for anything
  1070. # [14:04] <skylamer`> look here then http://developers.whatwg.org/forms.html
  1071. # [14:05] <skylamer`> http://developers.whatwg.org/the-input-element.html
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  1073. # [14:08] <Motafoca> odd
  1074. # [14:08] <Motafoca> im using chrome
  1075. # [14:08] <Motafoca> and its not masking
  1076. # [14:08] <Motafoca> lol
  1077. # [14:10] <skylamer`> http://html5pattern.com/
  1078. # [14:10] <Motafoca> ah, but it checks after submit
  1079. # [14:10] <Motafoca> cant i check during typing?
  1080. # [14:10] <skylamer`> why u even bother what its typing, just add this and it will not be send if isnt complete the patternZ :}
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  1082. # [14:11] <Motafoca> like this
  1083. # [14:11] <Motafoca> http://digitalbush.com/projects/masked-input-plugin/
  1084. # [14:11] <skylamer`> so where's rthe difference?
  1085. # [14:11] <Motafoca> check the demo
  1086. # [14:11] <bobs_> you don't want to report an error while the user is typing
  1087. # [14:11] <Motafoca> that demo demonstrates what i want
  1088. # [14:11] <Motafoca> easy to explain
  1089. # [14:11] <skylamer`> its not your problem that 'the user' can type anything
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  1094. # [14:16] <slunk> hi, Im creating an object to drag with "touchmove" in Y but i want it only to be dragged in one direction, up! But it also makes it go down.. How can i solve this? Thanks
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  1206. # [16:44] <aleray> hi, I'm looking for how to markup a dialog. Any idea?
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  1208. # [16:47] <mike5w3c> aleray: what kind of dialog?
  1209. # [16:47] <aleray> mike5w3c, I transcribed an interview
  1210. # [16:47] <mike5w3c> ah
  1211. # [16:47] <mike5w3c> yeah
  1212. # [16:47] <mike5w3c> we had an element for that but most people didn't like it
  1213. # [16:48] <mike5w3c> I don't know what the current markup-expert guidance on that is
  1214. # [16:48] <mike5w3c> but maybe there's something on the html5 doctors site
  1215. # [16:48] <aleray> mike5w3c, I personnally found the dialog tag very useful
  1216. # [16:49] <aleray> but now its gone
  1217. # [16:49] <mike5w3c> yeah because most people don't have use for it
  1218. # [16:49] <mike5w3c> like, we could add a <poem> element too
  1219. # [16:51] <mike5w3c> I think in general it's best to consider HTML to be more like RTF than like .. Docbook or LaTeX or whatever
  1220. # [16:51] <mike5w3c> that is, use whatever gets the job done and that brings the least maintenance cost
  1221. # [16:52] <mike5w3c> as long as it doesn't have accessibility problems or whatever
  1222. # [16:52] * daleharvey wishes there was just no restrictions on tags, just let arbitrary tags
  1223. # [16:52] <mike5w3c> 99.99% of the universe is never going to read your code or care what markup choices you made
  1224. # [16:53] <mike5w3c> there are no restrictions actually
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  1226. # [16:53] <mike5w3c> you can use a <dialog> element if you like
  1227. # [16:54] <daleharvey> yeh you just need to shim them, I have considered doing a site thats just made up tags for the sake of it, maybe next time
  1228. # [16:55] <mike5w3c> well anyway the HTML language is a joke as far as semantic richness goes
  1229. # [16:55] <mike5w3c> it's a lost cause
  1230. # [16:55] <daleharvey> agreed
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  1232. # [16:56] <daleharvey> well, I dont think its a lost cause, but its not something I worry a whole lot about
  1233. # [16:56] <mike5w3c> it's not something that users worry about at least
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  1236. # [16:57] <mike5w3c> actual users care about the semantics of the HTML source for the Web content they use as they do about the Postscript source for the PDFs they use
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  1239. # [16:57] <daleharvey> I think a lot of it died with xhtml, if browsers are the only ones who can read html, there isnt much point in it not being an object code for browsers
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  1241. # [16:58] <mike5w3c> there are lots of things other than browsers that can read HTML
  1242. # [16:58] <mike5w3c> lots
  1243. # [16:58] <mike5w3c> like, search engines
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  1249. # [17:02] <daleharvey> sure, there are a few decent libraries around and if you spend a lot of time and effort on it, you can do a somewhat decent job
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  1251. # [17:02] <daleharvey> but parsing xml is trivial, and implemented in every language around
  1252. # [17:03] <aleray> ok so for my dialog structure shall I just use <p> and classes ?
  1253. # [17:03] <aleray> <p class="person">Alicia</p><p>I think that...</p>
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  1255. # [17:04] <aleray> something like this
  1256. # [17:04] <m00bles> you can use whatever you like. If your data is not an information repository (say, transcripts or historical conversation) semantic markup is just sugar coating.
  1257. # [17:04] * m00bles is now known as Pomax
  1258. # [17:05] <Pomax> it's nice if you use it for people who do care about semantic markup, but if you're just going to be presenting a bunch of conversation that will never really be used as source data for information extraction, go with what's most comfortable for you to write
  1259. # [17:05] <Pomax> and understand.
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  1262. # [17:07] <mike5w3c> aleray: what Pomax and other dude said
  1263. # [17:07] <Pomax> also be aware that the <dialog> element *adds* code, it doesn't really replace it.
  1264. # [17:07] <aleray> semantic is important in the sens that it as to be searchable but I use rdfa for this
  1265. # [17:07] <Pomax> you're now marking up who-said-it with <dt> and what-said-thems with <dd>
  1266. # [17:08] <Pomax> aleray, EVERY search engine already figured out excellent information extraction algorithms before HTML5 was a thinkle in the collective web's eye =)
  1267. # [17:09] <aleray> Pomax, I meant searchable within my own system because I want to be able to aggreate every section where let say a person speaks
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  1270. # [17:09] <aleray> (that's another question anyway)
  1271. # [17:09] <Pomax> then the choice is obvious.
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  1273. # [17:10] <Pomax> it's not even a question what to you, if you have your own system, and you want to do semantic extraction, you add as much markup as is required to make information extraction efficient.
  1274. # [17:10] <Pomax> (and then you use a side by side indexer like Lucene or what-have-you to periodically index modified content)
  1275. # [17:11] <aleray> Pomax, cool, nice to see how people relaxed about html semantic
  1276. # [17:12] <aleray> I still remember the (not so) old times when it was *wrong* to not validate
  1277. # [17:12] <Pomax> it is wrong not to validate, if you want to publish on the internet
  1278. # [17:12] <Pomax> but if you can't validate because "the spec is too new", then you validate the parts that you can.
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  1280. # [17:13] <Pomax> a lot of the HTML5 spec, in terms of elements, is stable, and can be validated.
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  1283. # [17:14] <Pomax> so even though w3c says html5 validation is experimental, it'll typically have you covered.
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  1288. # [17:22] <johnkpaul> Is there any standard shim for getComputedStyle in old IEs?
  1289. # [17:22] <johnkpaul> I find one on javascriptkit.com that's very wrong
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  1296. # [17:32] <mantas322> hey guys
  1297. # [17:32] <mantas322> ummm
  1298. # [17:32] <mantas322> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/offline.html I've been reading this
  1299. # [17:32] <mantas322> and I have a question
  1300. # [17:32] <mantas322> can My cache manifest point to other cache manifests?
  1301. # [17:33] <mantas322> wait, i dont know if my quersiton makes sense
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  1314. # [17:44] <skylamer`> why u want to point to others, mantas322? :)
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  1319. # [17:52] <johnkpaul> Just in case anyone needs it, I made a shim for getComputedStyle().getCssPropertyValue() in old IEs
  1320. # [17:52] <johnkpaul> https://gist.github.com/1790727
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  1335. # [18:08] <paul_irish> johnkpaul: nice!
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  1348. # [18:13] <johnkpaul> :)
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  1468. # [20:47] <TheLittleOne> does anyone here have experience with cross-domain session sharing in non-html5 based apps?
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  1475. # [20:52] <johnkpaul> non-html5 based apps?
  1476. # [20:52] <johnkpaul> TheLittleOne: it depends on your server side platform, but there are ways to do it
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  1478. # [20:54] <David_Bradbury> You know what sounds nice? Spicy Tuna Sushi with some sour cream mixed in and soy sauce
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  1481. # [20:59] <TheLittleOne> johnkpaul: yeah, i am just trying to understand the exact workflow for setting up a iframe session transport across domains
  1482. # [21:00] <TheLittleOne> johnkpaul: i feel i am going in circles from what the fb guy responded to
  1483. # [21:00] <johnkpaul> iframe session transport?
  1484. # [21:02] <TheLittleOne> yup
  1485. # [21:02] <TheLittleOne> if i can just understand the workflow it'll get me through my immediate problem :-)
  1486. # [21:02] <johnkpaul> sharing sessions across domains is usually ahndled on the server side, rather than actually sending the same cookies from the client (I think)
  1487. # [21:02] <johnkpaul> what are you trying to do
  1488. # [21:03] <TheLittleOne> perhaps there is a simpler thing that i need…i have 2 domains, one international TLD and one US based…i need to do some user property checks when a user navigates over to the ITL domain in order to disable some features which are not accessible for GUEST accounts…i really don't need a fancy session transport…just to detect if some javascript variable is true or false on the ITL domain…i was hoping the inner fra
  1489. # [21:03] <TheLittleOne> would set the js variable
  1490. # [21:04] <TheLittleOne> an entire session on the ITL domain would be nice, but yeah - not needed…but if i can get a simple js variable check to work in the parent window, the possibilities are endless i guess, heh
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  1493. # [21:05] <TheLittleOne> even a one-way comm between the child and parent frames across domains would work, not necessary to have a 2-way
  1494. # [21:06] <johnkpaul> hmm, my only reaction is to tell you to use JSONP, but I don't know if there is a better way
  1495. # [21:07] <johnkpaul> use JSONP to make a requst to the US domain from the ITL domain and get back what ever informaton you need
  1496. # [21:07] <TheLittleOne> any experience w/ easyXDM? perhaps that helps? i am not too familiar with jsonp - googling now :-)
  1497. # [21:08] <johnkpaul> oh, I see, you can just use CORS, but you have to change your server to support it
  1498. # [21:08] <johnkpaul> and not all browsers implement it
  1499. # [21:08] <johnkpaul> I don't have any expereicne with easyXDM though
  1500. # [21:09] <TheLittleOne> oh, looks like easyXDM doesn't support IE8<, bummer
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  1502. # [21:11] <TheLittleOne> johnkpaul: thank you for the jsonp ref, i'll take a gander, it might help
  1503. # [21:11] <TheLittleOne> cheers
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  1519. # [21:24] <martisj> what character entity do I use for apostrophe? for ".... my cat's almost dead...."
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  1526. # [21:26] <insin> &#39;
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  1547. # [21:36] <martisj> insin: thanks, do I have to use entities even though my charset is utf-8>
  1548. # [21:36] <martisj> ?
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  1559. # [21:44] <JonathanNeal> hober: you around?
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  1561. # [21:46] <hober> JonathanNeal: yo
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  1592. # [21:59] <tertl3> hello html5 runs on all browsers, even phnoes and tabs?
  1593. # [22:00] <JonathanNeal> tertl3: specific HTML5 technology might not run on older browsers, check out http://html5test.com/
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  1605. # [22:04] <tertl3> JonathanNeal wow IE sux
  1606. # [22:05] <JonathanNeal> tertl3: sometimes ie is behind the curve, their legacy browsers also have a fairly significant market share still.
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  1623. # [22:17] <tertl3> yes I know, this is the problem
  1624. # [22:17] <tertl3> JonathanNeal ^
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  1629. # [22:19] <WebDragon> is there a way to cause an iframe to be able to stretch to contain its changing content height-wise ?
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  1632. # [22:22] <WebDragon> actually this might be better to ask in jquery
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  1645. # [22:35] <tertl3> im looking for a tutorial on making interactive web pages
  1646. # [22:35] <tertl3> with asp.net
  1647. # [22:35] <tertl3> and html5
  1648. # [22:39] <benv> webdragon: hey
  1649. # [22:39] <benv> i know a bit about that
  1650. # [22:39] <WebDragon> turns out it's difficult if it's from another domain
  1651. # [22:39] <benv> webdragon: the answer kind of sucks though
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  1653. # [22:39] <WebDragon> if not impossible
  1654. # [22:40] <WebDragon> security issues with that, which makes sense
  1655. # [22:40] <benv> aha, no, its not impossible
  1656. # [22:40] <benv> nor insecure
  1657. # [22:40] <WebDragon> oh?
  1658. # [22:40] <WebDragon> how would one do it?
  1659. # [22:40] <benv> okay, so, basically the iframe needs to report to the outer page what its size is
  1660. # [22:40] <benv> and the outer page needs to do the resiziing
  1661. # [22:40] <WebDragon> how do you get the messages passed back and forth?
  1662. # [22:40] <benv> that's kind of tricky - whenever you touch the dom – add an element, change a class, anythign - you have to calculate and report the new height
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  1664. # [22:40] <WebDragon> yeah
  1665. # [22:40] <benv> webdragon: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/DOM/window.postMessage
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  1668. # [22:41] <WebDragon> huh
  1669. # [22:42] <WebDragon> have you done this sort of thing anywhere ?
  1670. # [22:42] <benv> its an api for sending messages betw/ windows, including iframes
  1671. # [22:42] <WebDragon> yeah I can see how that would be immensely useful
  1672. # [22:42] <benv> hmm, yes
  1673. # [22:42] <benv> a little bit
  1674. # [22:42] <benv> <cough>
  1675. # [22:42] <WebDragon> lol
  1676. # [22:42] <benv> *SHAMELESS PLUG*
  1677. # [22:42] <benv> http://thirdpartyjs.com/
  1678. # [22:42] <WebDragon> oh so it IS sexy enough that there's porn of it?
  1679. # [22:43] * WebDragon runs
  1680. # [22:43] <WebDragon> :D
  1681. # [22:43] <benv> im working on an app right now that does this
  1682. # [22:43] <benv> the updating is the painful part … wish i knew a good way to do it
  1683. # [22:43] <WebDragon> updating the remote ?
  1684. # [22:43] <benv> triggering the resize message
  1685. # [22:43] <benv> automatically
  1686. # [22:44] <benv> like, knowing when to get the latest size
  1687. # [22:44] <WebDragon> well let me show you the example of what I need
  1688. # [22:44] <benv> you could do it on a timer, say, every 500ms, but its less responsive
  1689. # [22:44] <WebDragon> we finished a lovely portfolio+ecommerce site for a client of ours using Magento + Wordpress: www.thinkaesthetica.com
  1690. # [22:44] <WebDragon> feel free to click around a bit
  1691. # [22:44] <benv> ok
  1692. # [22:45] <benv> maybe this is what you want: http://benalman.com/code/projects/jquery-postmessage/examples/iframe/
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  1694. # [22:45] <WebDragon> the client's decided that they want to work with this third party for display products but have got this thing where the third party has set up a site to be displayed by html frameset *gag*
  1695. # [22:45] <WebDragon> not magento friendly
  1696. # [22:45] <WebDragon> http://www.alldisplayproducts.com/ is the site in question
  1697. # [22:46] <benv> uh huh
  1698. # [22:46] <WebDragon> they want to have ONE page on aesthetica that their end-users can click around the display products of with the sidebar menu, but still get around on aesthetica from the top menu
  1699. # [22:46] <WebDragon> so I was thinking about iframes
  1700. # [22:46] <WebDragon> not valid under 4.01 strict or xhtml 1.0 strict but that's fine, html5 doctype = solved
  1701. # [22:46] <benv> hmm, yeah, that would do it
  1702. # [22:46] <benv> and be painful / not worth the effort :)
  1703. # [22:46] <WebDragon> only real problem is the dynamic page height
  1704. # [22:47] <benv> get the third party to set up some kind of simple api and then render the products w/ ajax
  1705. # [22:47] <WebDragon> I thought about that too
  1706. # [22:47] <WebDragon> only there's this:
  1707. # [22:47] <benv> yeah, the dynamic page part
  1708. # [22:47] <benv> means that, *they* would have to report the page height
  1709. # [22:47] <WebDragon> http://www.alldisplayproducts.com/downloadcenter
  1710. # [22:47] <benv> and im guessing you can't put the code inside the iframe
  1711. # [22:47] <benv> since its theirs
  1712. # [22:47] <WebDragon> yeah but I think I can get them to add code to their simple wordpress site
  1713. # [22:48] <WebDragon> don't think it'd be much issue since they DID set this up for OUR client to use specifically
  1714. # [22:48] <benv> eh, yea … so i guess you could add a little snippet, that, after the iframe has loaded
  1715. # [22:48] <benv> checks the page height
  1716. # [22:48] <benv> and sends a single postmessage message to the parent window
  1717. # [22:48] <benv> and then you resize based off of that
  1718. # [22:48] <benv> its safe because the iframe won't be listening for messages - its just reporting this single value, a pixel height
  1719. # [22:49] <WebDragon> so it would fire off on document.ready() on their site, then they send postMessage, and our site responds to the event with a resize of the iframe
  1720. # [22:49] <benv> if there are other pages that dont listen to the message, its ok, it will just be ignored
  1721. # [22:49] <benv> yeah
  1722. # [22:49] <benv> except don't use docready
  1723. # [22:49] <benv> because that doesn't necessarily mean you'll have the real page height
  1724. # [22:49] <benv> you'd have to wait for all elements to be loaded and such - images, whatever
  1725. # [22:49] <WebDragon> use onload?
  1726. # [22:49] <benv> yeah
  1727. # [22:49] <WebDragon> okay sensible, good tip
  1728. # [22:50] <benv> you can try it, at least
  1729. # [22:50] <benv> but, might run into that trouble
  1730. # [22:50] <WebDragon> sure can
  1731. # [22:50] <WebDragon> which trouble
  1732. # [22:50] <benv> sorry, i meant docready vs onload
  1733. # [22:50] <WebDragon> oh yeah ok
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  1735. # [22:50] <WebDragon> I can set up a few .mht's of the remote site to play with here locally
  1736. # [22:51] * WebDragon hugs opera for handling .mht's well by default
  1737. # [22:52] <WebDragon> thanks for the tip benv
  1738. # [22:52] <WebDragon> I'll play with it this weekend and let you know how it works out
  1739. # [22:53] <benv> np
  1740. # [22:53] <WebDragon> also bookmarking your book
  1741. # [22:53] <WebDragon> :D
  1742. # [22:53] <WebDragon> see if I can get that wishlisted
  1743. # [22:54] <benv> aww yea
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  1745. # [22:54] <benv> if you buy it, then i can afford to get a coffee after lunch
  1746. # [22:54] <benv> :P
  1747. # [22:55] <WebDragon> hehe
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  1749. # [22:55] <WebDragon> BJ's has $15 2.5 lb. bags of Ethiopian beans
  1750. # [22:55] <WebDragon> bargain in a bag
  1751. # [22:56] <WebDragon> fresh grrrround ethiopians
  1752. # [22:56] * WebDragon grins dragonishly }B=&]
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  1759. # [23:07] <illourr> can anyone tell me that plugin that lets you make like powerpoint slides in web and colors your code nicely????
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  1795. # [23:35] <acidjazz> yo im using xmlhttprequest and FileReader() and im in the onloadend callback .. lookking for my response from the server .. any1 know where that is?
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  1797. # [23:37] <moo_> acidjazz: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=!mdn+xmlhttprequest
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  1799. # [23:37] <JonathanNeal> heyo
  1800. # [23:37] <acidjazz> uhm
  1801. # [23:37] <acidjazz> moo_: really?
  1802. # [23:38] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish: are there any updates to our hosting issue?
  1803. # [23:38] <moo_> acidjazz: that was the best answer for the question which was little hard to understand
  1804. # [23:38] <acidjazz> so XMLHTTPRequest
  1805. # [23:38] <acidjazz> level 2
  1806. # [23:38] <acidjazz> has a callback onloadend
  1807. # [23:38] <moo_> yes
  1808. # [23:38] <acidjazz> runs when the file upload is complete
  1809. # [23:38] <moo_> and MDN has dociumentation regarding it
  1810. # [23:38] <moo_> with exampls
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  1813. # [23:38] <acidjazz> i assume in that callback i can access the response from the server
  1814. # [23:38] <moo_> you assume correct
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  1816. # [23:39] <acidjazz> hmm looking through this i see 'response'
  1817. # [23:39] <acidjazz> but no 'onloadend'
  1818. # [23:40] <moo_> you can probably 1) use closure and access xhr object through it and get its data 2) save data in some other callback before onloadend
  1819. # [23:40] <moo_> 3) onloadend has the data but hidden
  1820. # [23:40] <moo_> for 3) I suggest you put in debugger; breakpoint in firebug and inspect around in javascript debugger
  1821. # [23:41] <acidjazz> this is the return data
  1822. # [23:41] <acidjazz> this doesnt appear until its done
  1823. # [23:41] <acidjazz> yea ive done all that before i came in here
  1824. # [23:41] <moo_> hmm
  1825. # [23:41] <acidjazz> i went through the entire xhr obj and the returned onloadend obj
  1826. # [23:41] <acidjazz> its ok if you dont know we're in the same spot.. just wonderin if someone knew off the top of their head
  1827. # [23:42] <moo_> let me see what I am doing in my code
  1828. # [23:42] <moo_> this takes few minutes to boot up...
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  1832. # [23:45] <Mainmam> what's the point of making images in html5 rather than photoshop?
  1833. # [23:45] <acidjazz> checking responseText, responseJSON, responseXML
  1834. # [23:45] <Mainmam> lol
  1835. # [23:47] <moo_> acidjazz: function onload() {
  1836. # [23:47] <moo_> if (r.status == 200) {
  1837. # [23:47] <moo_> console.log(r.responseText);
  1838. # [23:47] <moo_> done(r.responseText);
  1839. # [23:48] <acidjazz> what is r
  1840. # [23:48] <acidjazz> var r = xmlhttprequest(); ?
  1841. # [23:48] <moo_> var r = new XMLHttpRequest();
  1842. # [23:48] <moo_> defined in closure
  1843. # [23:48] <acidjazz> funciton onload() { }(r); ?
  1844. # [23:48] <moo_> no
  1845. # [23:48] <moo_> one
  1846. # [23:48] <moo_> sec
  1847. # [23:48] <moo_> I'll pastie
  1848. # [23:49] <acidjazz> graci
  1849. # [23:49] <moo_> acidjazz: http://pastie.org/3357548
  1850. # [23:50] <acidjazz> yea like i said..
  1851. # [23:50] <acidjazz> hnmm
  1852. # [23:50] <acidjazz> var r = ..
  1853. # [23:51] <acidjazz> im doing http://pastebin.com/4iyJ9xcr
  1854. # [23:51] <acidjazz> im using FileReader()
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  1857. # [23:53] <acidjazz> im getting that 200 moo_ .. just responseText is an empty string
  1858. # [23:53] <acidjazz> when in the php file im clearly passing text
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  1860. # [23:57] <moo_> acidjazz: inspect the response in Firebug Network tab
  1861. # [23:57] <moo_> I assume your HTTP response is corrupted
  1862. # [23:57] <moo_> OR
  1863. # [23:57] <moo_> you are doing cross-site requests
  1864. # [23:57] <moo_> but it should give error code 0
  1865. # [23:58] <acidjazz> oh good idea
  1866. # [23:58] <acidjazz> nope damn
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  1869. # [23:59] <acidjazz> i think my answer is in xhr.upload()
  1870. # [23:59] <acidjazz> and its callbacks
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