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  4. # [00:01] <acidjazz> err .send()
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  9. # [00:04] <acidjazz> moo_: xhr.onreadystatechange = function() { console.log(xhr.responseText); }; was my answer
  10. # [00:05] <acidjazz> moo_: http://pastie.org/3357610
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  18. # [00:15] <acidjazz> oh maybe php://input
  19. # [00:15] <acidjazz> booya thats it
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  39. # [00:40] <martisj> I am trying to get the h5bp build script to concatenate multiple css files, but the first one isn't getting added.
  40. # [00:41] <martisj> this is my file.stylesheets = grid.css,style.css
  41. # [00:41] <martisj> when i run ant text or anything actually it doesn't get included.
  42. # [00:41] <martisj> I've also got a link in each of my html files.
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  54. # [00:56] <nimbu> martisj: sorry we deprecated that property
  55. # [00:56] <martisj> ah alright :D
  56. # [00:56] <nimbu> you need to @import all the stylesheets into your main style.css
  57. # [00:56] <martisj> that's all good
  58. # [00:56] <martisj> yeah
  59. # [00:56] <martisj> that works fine as well
  60. # [00:56] <martisj> :D
  61. # [00:56] <nimbu> cool!
  62. # [00:57] <nimbu> so when you do @import
  63. # [00:57] <nimbu> build script will concatenate all those scripts
  64. # [00:57] <nimbu> into a single one
  65. # [00:57] <martisj> I LOVE THE BUILD SCRIPT!!!!
  66. # [00:57] <martisj> it's simply amazing!!
  67. # [00:57] <nimbu> :))
  68. # [00:59] <martisj> thanks!!!!
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  70. # [00:59] <tw2113> it's technology
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  74. # [01:09] <jblanche> nimbu: I I've started a little project heavily inspired by html5please yesterday and I would like some advice from the people behind html5please before going any further.
  75. # [01:10] <jblanche> https://github.com/jblanche/jsplease The goal is to list ES5 and ES.next features and polyfills with advices showing if you should use it or not
  76. # [01:10] <jblanche> he 'caniuse' equivalent is the kangax ECMAScript 5 compatibility table. (http://kangax.github.com/es5-compat-table/) + some research
  77. # [01:10] <jblanche> do you mind having a look at this ?
  78. # [01:12] <jarek> jblanche: is there a human-readable version?
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  80. # [01:13] <jblanche> No not right now but if you clone the repo the index.html is up to date. I'm looking at github pages doc right now ti change this.
  81. # [01:13] <jblanche> to*
  82. # [01:13] <jarek> jblanche: yeah, I'm too lazy to clone the repo and run it locally :P
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  86. # [01:14] <jarek> Github Pages allow only static HTML
  87. # [01:14] <jarek> you might have some problems with setting it up if it relies on Node
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  89. # [01:16] <jblanche> the page "creation" needs node but after that it's just a static page :)
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  92. # [01:18] <nimbu> jblanche: you could use the github pages no?
  93. # [01:18] <nimbu> yeah
  94. # [01:18] <jarek> I'm a bit puzzled by the features introduced in ES5 and ES6
  95. # [01:19] <jarek> JavaScript is heading into direction of PHP
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  97. # [01:19] <nimbu> jblanche: ideally we would like to include your updates within html5 please :0
  98. # [01:19] <nimbu> given we do have space for ecmascript stuff.
  99. # [01:22] <jblanche> nimbu: I was thinking about filtering browser and server javascript in order to show that there are a lot of JS features available for nodeJS for example. So not sure it's belonging in html5please
  100. # [01:22] <jblanche> but you may be right
  101. # [01:22] <jblanche> I'll have to think about that
  102. # [01:22] <nimbu> ecmascript stuff would be ideal in html5please
  103. # [01:23] <nimbu> node api stuff clearly does not.
  104. # [01:23] <jblanche> jarek: http://jblanche.github.com/jsplease/
  105. # [01:23] <jarek> jblanche: thanks, I will take a look
  106. # [01:23] <jblanche> There are way more articles hidden for now
  107. # [01:24] <jblanche> I want to work on it before going display : block for them , but I wanted to validante the idea before that
  108. # [01:25] <jarek> jblanche: why it says that strict mode should be avoided?
  109. # [01:26] <jblanche> This one should be hidden isn't it ? haven't finished this post yet, but it for sure won't say that when done :)
  110. # [01:27] <jarek> yeah, it has "display: none" style
  111. # [01:28] <jarek> jblanche: do you have any clues why Object.isFrozen, Object.isSealed and Object.isExtensible() where added to JavaScript?
  112. # [01:28] <jblanche> JavaScript 1.8.5
  113. # [01:29] <jblanche> according to MDN
  114. # [01:29] <jarek> sorry, I meant Ecmascript
  115. # [01:29] <jarek> they were added in ES5
  116. # [01:29] <jarek> but I don't really see how they could be useful
  117. # [01:30] <jarek> they are used for some sort of defensive programming patterns?
  118. # [01:32] <jblanche> don't know, I think I will delete some of those post, for now there's a post for each line in the Kangax ES5 compatibility table, but if there is is no usage and/or little support, I will delete the posts.
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  122. # [01:37] <jarek> jblanche: methods for locking/freezing/sealing objects are implement in latest versions of all browsers, someone just has to tell us where to use them
  123. # [01:37] <superevr> I'm trying to create an image slider for my homepage, but i'm having some trouble. I want to be able to overlay text ontop of the images. is that possible?
  124. # [01:38] <jblanche> nimbu: Yes, if it's OK for everyone I think the best would be to have a website for Ecmascript only (with Node Rhino… "support") and to share the knwoledge from this website with html5please when it makes sense.
  125. # [01:39] <jarek> superevr: it's definitely possible, but there could be hundrets of ways to achieve this with HTML/CSS/JS
  126. # [01:40] <nimbu> jblanche: what is the point of the node rhino support?
  127. # [01:40] <nimbu> i mean would it just not be an indication of which node version it is supported in?
  128. # [01:41] <superevr> what i have so far puts all the images next to each other, then creates a div on the page, and slides the images across. I know how to do it with css background: url(), but that won't work with what i've done so far
  129. # [01:41] <tw2113> it'd involve absolute positioning coupled with z-index
  130. # [01:42] <jblanche> nimbu: Not sure I understand your last question (I'm french and not bilingual yet :) ). But the idea is to say, if you're a NodeJS user you can safely use Array.filter but not proxies for now…
  131. # [01:46] <jarek> I think there is Node.js build with support for proxies
  132. # [01:46] <jarek> but yeah, it should be avoided for now
  133. # [01:46] <jblanche> oops missed that if so, but you get the point :)
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  135. # [01:47] <nimbu> jblanche: yeah so it is just a matter of yes/no for node.
  136. # [01:47] <jarek> what's the difference between V8 in Node and V8 in Chrome?
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  138. # [01:48] <nimbu> but yeah jblanche we would be very happy to have your inputs to html5please for ecmascript. I am unsure if it is necessary to have a support list for node.
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  141. # [01:51] <jblanche> OK, I'll think of it, it's pretty late here in Paris and my mind does not react like it should :) I, for sure will propose some additions in html5please soon if you then. But It may lead to deleting the first 2 articles at http://html5please.us/#js and replacing them with more precise article with ecmascript5 and ecmascript6 main features. Are you OK with that ?
  142. # [01:54] <jarek> jblanche: I think func.caller should be discouraged
  143. # [01:56] <jarek> it's actually prohibited in strict mode
  144. # [01:58] <jblanche> jarek: Thanks, I'll mention that.
  145. # [02:02] <jblanche> Well I think i'll need to think again how to structure all this. The discussion here helped a little bit. Thanks for that :)
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  155. # [02:16] <superevr> wow ok i figured out a way to do it, but it's very ugly. I have an image over an image by doing <img style="background: url()"; src="">
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  158. # [02:31] <nimbu> jblanche: sure. do send a pull request so we can get more input from more people!
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  167. # [03:00] <JonathanNeal> hi
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  170. # [03:08] <tw2113> why not position: absolute on all of the images in a container superevr
  171. # [03:08] <JonathanNeal> ABSOLUT POSITION
  172. # [03:09] <tw2113> someone contact absolut vodka and pitch them the idea for a web dev targeted ad
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  177. # [03:22] <superevr> tw2113: can i do that? The images slide across the page, so position:absolute might not be what i want
  178. # [03:23] <superevr> errr. I already use position absolute on the image reel. but what about hte overlay?
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  180. # [03:27] <tw2113> you could wrap the images with a div and put a div inside that, that you position
  181. # [03:27] <tw2113> <div><img><div>caption</div></div>
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  459. # [10:43] <Taesh> Hello :)
  460. # [10:44] <Taesh> I'm making a temporary front page for my gaming community and I'm going to put up server status boxes.
  461. # [10:45] <Taesh> Semantically, what is the best tag to use?
  462. # [10:45] <Taesh> I thought of using aside, but I'm not sure
  463. # [10:47] <gpsietzema> can be a section too tbh
  464. # [10:48] <Taesh> A section with what, articles?
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  466. # [10:50] <gpsietzema> yea, think so
  467. # [10:50] <Taesh> Ok, thank you :)
  468. # [10:51] <gpsietzema> but server status isn't the most important on the page, so I guess your aside would suit it best
  469. # [10:51] <Taesh> There no other information on the page
  470. # [10:51] <gpsietzema> oh, then I would go for section > article
  471. # [10:51] <Taesh> other than that it is temporary until the community portal is done
  472. # [10:52] <Taesh> Ok :)
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  580. # [14:57] <UidX> can you guys access github right now?
  581. # [14:58] <mnemoc> https://status.github.com/
  582. # [14:58] <mnemoc> DDoS
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  610. # [16:09] <StoneCypher> When I draw to a canvas through .createImageData and pixels, things work as expected. However, when I go back to read those pixels, they're all black, despite drawing on screen. Am I missing something obvious?
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  612. # [16:13] <csmrfx> pastie or go
  613. # [16:14] <StoneCypher> the code doesn't reduce well to a simple example. i'm just trying to find out whether there's something i need to do before the pixels may be read back (like generating a new image data from the old context, or something.)
  614. # [16:14] <csmrfx> so, you want people to use their psychic powers to debug your code? good lucl
  615. # [16:14] <csmrfx> *luck
  616. # [16:14] <csmrfx> 8)
  617. # [16:14] <StoneCypher> no, i don't
  618. # [16:15] <StoneCypher> learn to read and stop flying on IRC tropes
  619. # [16:15] <StoneCypher> i didn't ask anyone to debug anything
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  621. # [16:15] <csmrfx> you should, if it is a program that you want to get working
  622. # [16:15] <StoneCypher> that's nice
  623. # [16:17] <csmrfx> What is not nice is sending people private messages telling them they are stupid, StoneCypher
  624. # [16:17] <csmrfx> technically that is libel
  625. # [16:17] <csmrfx> ?help
  626. # [16:17] <bot-t> Get FREE A++ HELP - http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc
  627. # [16:17] <StoneCypher> (what i actually said was "please let someone else handle this")
  628. # [16:17] <csmrfx> and stop libeling people trying to help you
  629. # [16:18] <csmrfx> StoneCypher: do you want me to paste what you said on here?
  630. # [16:18] <csmrfx> Or do you want to get with the plan
  631. # [16:18] <StoneCypher> i'm putting you on ignore to take away your reason to keep talking
  632. # [16:18] <StoneCypher> anyway, what i'm really asking for isn't for someone to tell me i need help with debugging, but rather to tell me if there is a required step inbetween drawing to a canvas and then reading from it
  633. # [16:19] <StoneCypher> it's a simple yes or no question
  634. # [16:19] <csmrfx> Yes
  635. # [16:20] <csmrfx> Yes, you were libeling me for trying to help you, I mean.
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  638. # [16:23] <csmrfx> I said it yesterday, and I say it again: #html5 needs same kind of 'policy' on asking for help with code, as #javascript has (with their !help)
  639. # [16:27] <csmrfx> People like StoneCypher and devmikey who libel people trying to provide them with help or to help them help themselves make me weary, especially after I've donated money to keep freenode running.
  640. # [16:28] <csmrfx> Dont get me wrong, I hate irc-totalitarianism and like a bit of noise on channels
  641. # [16:28] <StoneCypher> oh be quiet
  642. # [16:29] <StoneCypher> libel is a public defamation that hurts your business prospects, not someone calling you stupid in /msg because you're complaining
  643. # [16:29] <StoneCypher> get off the cross
  644. # [16:29] <StoneCypher> ten minutes later i take you off ignore and you're still bitching
  645. # [16:29] <StoneCypher> over being called stupid in private.
  646. # [16:29] <StoneCypher> what a whiner.
  647. # [16:30] <csmrfx> StoneCypher no, I am here to have a meaningful dialogue with this chan's community in order to make it better.
  648. # [16:30] <StoneCypher> back to ignore for you
  649. # [16:30] <csmrfx> StoneCypher: now you have called me stupid, and a whiner, have still not gotten help, hows that working for you?
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  652. # [16:33] <csmrfx> Nice, looks like I have a msg stalker now. FYI, StoneCypher, I was born in 70s so I am not a 'kid' and telling me to 'grow up'
  653. # [16:33] <csmrfx> wont change a thing.
  654. # [16:33] <StoneCypher> you're seriously whining about libel, and at the same time, bitching about someone in public, and complaining that they're keeping it private
  655. # [16:33] <StoneCypher> just be quiet
  656. # [16:33] <StoneCypher> what a loser :(
  657. # [16:33] <StoneCypher> you're just going to keep complaining all day, aren't you
  658. # [16:34] <StoneCypher> <csmrfx> While I complain about someone in front of hundreds of people, they're telling me to stop in /msg. that makes them my stalker!
  659. # [16:34] <StoneCypher> you are very confused about the world.
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  661. # [16:36] <csmrfx> Recap: StoneCypher here needs ppl to help him with his canvas, but will not pastie or gist, and will insult you (both publicly and in private) for trying to help him. So any takers here?
  662. # [16:36] * StoneCypher rolls his eyes
  663. # [16:36] <StoneCypher> please be quiet. i get it: you're trying to get in the way. stop.
  664. # [16:37] <StoneCypher> that isn't what i asked at all
  665. # [16:37] <StoneCypher> find something better to do.
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  667. # [16:39] <csmrfx> Oh, the dude is also flooding me with DCC now
  668. # [16:39] <StoneCypher> i am not
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  678. # [16:47] <StoneCypher> ah, found it. i was being retarded, by assuming createImageData got the current buffer, rather than a blank one.
  679. # [16:47] <StoneCypher> (or rather, philip` found it.)
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  694. # [17:16] <sedovsek> Hey,
  695. # [17:17] <sedovsek> Does column-fill: auto | balanced; work in Chrome 16?
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  704. # [17:32] <aoefi> hi all
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  706. # [17:33] <csmrfx> hi
  707. # [17:34] <aoefi> hi csm
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  752. # [18:47] <sedovsek> Google it: sqrt(cos(x))*cos(300x)+sqrt(abs(x))-0.7)*(4-x*x)^0.01, sqrt(6-x^2), -sqrt(6-x^2) from -4.5 to 4.5
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  755. # [18:50] <Jon47> haha, lovely
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  866. # [22:03] <devmikey> Is html5 sgml based?
  867. # [22:03] <devmikey> or is it too soon to tell?
  868. # [22:07] <StoneCypher> html, 5 and older, xml, and xhtml are all dialects of sgml
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  870. # [22:11] <csmrfx> Not really.
  871. # [22:11] <csmrfx> Subsets.
  872. # [22:13] <csmrfx> Although, html isn't.
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  874. # [22:14] <StoneCypher> in specifically what way is html not a dialect of sgml
  875. # [22:20] <yogurt_truck> html has always been sgml-based
  876. # [22:20] <yogurt_truck> html5 less so
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  878. # [22:21] <PPPPPPP> does anyone know anything about the construct 2 game engine?
  879. # [22:23] <yogurt_truck> (and by "less so" i meant "totally moving away from sgml")
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  908. # [23:19] <goddard> ok i am using the video-js player to play a video but it just sits and loads the whole time
  909. # [23:20] <goddard> i need a good open source player that can play the video as it is buffering
  910. # [23:20] <goddard> my video is only like 30 to 50 mb
  911. # [23:20] <goddard> any ideas?
  912. # [23:22] <goddard> actually it might just be an issue with firefox
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