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  78. # [03:35] <JonathanNeal> hello
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  145. # [05:08] <crivera> hey guys, is twitter's bootstrap project just a collection of pre-written CSS/JS files to help you build your site?
  146. # [05:09] <crivera> first time looking it up
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  253. # [08:46] <Bacta> Is anyone bothered about this "Bonus Levels for IE" dealy when you play Cut The Rope?
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  255. # [08:47] <Bacta> I thought more people were adopting HTML5 to move towards compatability across multiple platforms
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  259. # [08:52] <tw2113> except that whole Microsoft thing
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  298. # [09:50] <tw2113> ryanseddon those Github stickers are resilient things
  299. # [09:51] <tw2113> i have one on a coffee mug and it does not come off in the dishwasher
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  307. # [10:01] <Butcher> i have a page i'd like to add a cache manifest to, but i don't want the page itself to be cached
  308. # [10:01] <Butcher> is that possible?
  309. # [10:02] <Butcher> what should be the extension of such a file?
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  311. # [10:04] <Butcher> i don't really understand:"Manifests must be served using the text/cache-manifest MIME type."
  312. # [10:04] <Butcher> how do i set that up?
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  320. # [10:11] <Butcher> how do i prevent caching of my page
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  322. # [10:12] <Butcher> is there any caching involved when i use https?
  323. # [10:12] <moo-_-> Butcher: study about HTTP headers
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  325. # [10:14] <Butcher> well the page launches tomorow, otherwise i'd be researching it, at first it had meta no-cache but i was hoping to make it html5 compliant
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  327. # [10:15] <Butcher> it's going to draw a lot of attention and the page will get updated using a cron when we sold out
  328. # [10:16] <moo-_-> Butcher: I cannot help with social or schedule problems regarding your site
  329. # [10:16] <Butcher> everything can be cached except the page itself and that seems impossible with cache manifest since the page with the manifest is cached
  330. # [10:16] <moo-_-> Butcher: check HTTP headers
  331. # [10:16] <moo-_-> and how they are configurd on your web server
  332. # [10:16] <Butcher> alright
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  833. # [12:34] <niloy> anyone knows which version of chrome has css profiler?
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  837. # [12:38] <JakeA> niloy: Chrome Canary does
  838. # [12:39] <niloy> JakeA, it hasnt come to stable yet?
  839. # [12:39] <niloy> JakeA, right now I am having chrome 17
  840. # [12:39] <JakeA> dunno, but I know it's definitely in Canary
  841. # [12:39] <niloy> ok
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  864. # [13:35] <callumacrae> Why does h5bp put it's scripts in the footer? surely if it using defer, they should go in the header? According to caniuse, only Opera doesn't support it.
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  869. # [13:50] <drublic> callumacrae: h5bp in its current version does not use defer due to issues in IE7. the scripts go into the footer to let the page load with everything else but the scripts which is better for performance
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  883. # [14:05] <callumacrae> Oh, I was looking at the github version
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  902. # [14:34] <drublic> callumacrae: The GH-version has no defer-attr https://github.com/h5bp/html5-boilerplate/blob/master/index.html#L54-55
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  927. # [15:13] <niloy> how can I check from js if an input box with "pattern" attribute is valid or not?
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  956. # [15:39] <niloy> in html5, can I attach a custom error validation function to an input box?
  957. # [15:40] <danielfilho> niloy: if you're using the html5 validation, only in Firefox.
  958. # [15:40] <danielfilho> I've already filed a ticket on webkit asking that feature :)
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  961. # [15:40] <danielfilho> this is how you do on FF: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/HTML/Element/Input#attr-x-moz-errormessage
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  965. # [15:42] <niloy> thats only the error message, how can I attach a custom error validator function?
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  967. # [15:43] <danielfilho> through "pattern" attr I guess
  968. # [15:43] <danielfilho> right?
  969. # [15:43] <niloy> pattern does regex validation only
  970. # [15:46] <danielfilho> so use javascript
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  972. # [15:48] <danielfilho> i'm not sure, but there's something about "oninput" also. But I didn't used that yet
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  1040. # [17:22] <Jon47> if "up", "down", "left" and "right" are all directions, what would be a word that describes both "up" and "down", i.e. a word that describes all vertical movement in any direction
  1041. # [17:22] <Jon47> is that a "plane"?
  1042. # [17:22] <Jon47> or maybe "axis"..
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  1052. # [17:31] <xec> Jon47: axis sounds right
  1053. # [17:31] <Jon47> word, thanks!
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  1081. # [18:03] <JonathanNeal> goodmorning
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  1084. # [18:08] <Jon47> do iframes pass events up to the parent?
  1085. # [18:08] <Jon47> and… are they supposed to?
  1086. # [18:08] <JonathanNeal> Jon47 no and no
  1087. # [18:08] <Jon47> JonathanNeal thanks!
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  1089. # [18:10] <JonathanNeal> It's no a verbose answer, so I apologize for the brevity, but I couldn't find a relevant link to documentation. Events only bubble up to their window.
  1090. # [18:11] <Jon47> it was what I expected, but I also couldn't find any documentation, just hearing it from you is enough for me ;)
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  1093. # [18:13] <JonathanNeal> off to work
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  1245. # [20:54] <kadiks> what do you thiink of twitter bootstrap ?
  1246. # [20:55] <JonathanNeal> i think parts of it, especially the css, is lazy.
  1247. # [20:55] <JonathanNeal> it uses reset, which i flawed, for one, then more-or-less stacks normalize on top of it
  1248. # [20:56] <JonathanNeal> then it incorporates their own css helpers reminiscent of 960.gs --- no doubt people dig it, but outside of plug-and-play, i don't.
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  1310. # [21:43] <themiddleman_itv> kadiks: I've used tw bootstraps responsive css scaffolding which is really nice
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  1313. # [21:44] <themiddleman_itv> a little buggy but: cinchtool.com
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  1315. # [21:44] <kadiks> your implementation is buggy or the tw bootstrap is ?
  1316. # [21:45] <themiddleman_itv> kadiks: not sure, the second largest size has no page margins and stuff
  1317. # [21:45] <kadiks> is it not supposed to create web apps and not websites ?
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  1319. # [21:46] <themiddleman_itv> kadiks: maybe, css is css though, and the line between apps and sites is shrinking
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  1321. # [21:47] <kadiks> sure, it is a quick way to get a website up. I just prefer to make them from scratch
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  1326. # [21:50] <themiddleman_itv> kadiks: yeah, doing responsive design is tricky though and bootstrap made it easy. We set up that site in 2 days, everything you see there
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  1329. # [21:51] <kadiks> yeah I just did a quick tool for internal purpose today and I was amazed how easy it was to implement it and also the final result was really nice
  1330. # [21:51] <kadiks> that's why I wanted to know what you guys think of it
  1331. # [21:52] <kadiks> I think I'm going to use it for a bigger project
  1332. # [21:52] <Armen_> i had a quick look at bootstrap a while ago, and it seems to be useful to quickly setting up a project
  1333. # [21:53] <Armen_> my bootstrap experiment: http://dev138.info/awide/
  1334. # [21:53] <kadiks> I agree
  1335. # [21:53] <Armen_> not much modified from the examples :P
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  1337. # [21:54] <themiddleman_itv> nice
  1338. # [21:54] <kadiks> another website, strange I thought it was really meant for apps
  1339. # [21:55] <kadiks> it is proven to be a versatile tool though
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  1341. # [21:55] <kadiks> makes it even better ^^
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  1343. # [21:56] <Armen_> a website is just an app that displays information ;)
  1344. # [21:56] <kadiks> anyone have "cons" against tw bootstrap and maybe other solutions ?
  1345. # [21:56] <kadiks> sure
  1346. # [21:56] <Armen_> o
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  1348. # [21:57] <Armen_> i've used a combination of jquery-ui and 960.gs in the past, it does pretty much what i expect bootstrap can offer
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  1350. # [21:58] <kadiks> I see but I want to go further, on the application level, do you think it still holds up ?
  1351. # [21:59] <Armen_> i think bootstrap and similar solutions mostly just provide a frame to put your application in, the application itself is up to you...
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  1356. # [22:05] <kadiks> ofc
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  1360. # [22:13] <illourr> is this channel okay for canvas talk?
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  1362. # [22:15] <David_Bradbury> Yup
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  1364. # [22:16] <David_Bradbury> Assuming you're talking about the HTML5 technology and not the kind you paint on or the weird cousin of 4chan
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  1387. # [22:47] <themiddleman_itv> css3 transitions fire a transitionEnd but is there some transitionBegin?
  1388. # [22:48] <nimbu> nope
  1389. # [22:48] <themiddleman_itv> well that sucks
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  1391. # [22:50] <nimbu> you could monitor your property and find out when it is changing value
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  1395. # [22:55] <ryanseddon> themiddleman_itv: css animations have a start and finish event not sure why transitions didn't have the same
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  1400. # [22:59] <David_Bradbury> themiddleman_itv: Well, transitionBegin is a bit implicit. If you want to do something at the beginning of the animation, use an event listener for the object to be animated
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  1403. # [23:00] <David_Bradbury> Assuming you aren't already controlling the animation through JS
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  1406. # [23:05] <themiddleman_itv> David_Bradbury: I am starting the animation from js, but there are 10 ways it can be started, I was hoping to grab the propagating event higher up the tree to monitor if anything was being animated or not
  1407. # [23:05] <David_Bradbury> Fair enough
  1408. # [23:05] <themiddleman_itv> But It was probably not the best idea anyway so I am going another direction
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