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49. # [00:47] <Hans_Henrik> is the validator wrong? or am i wrong? according to the validator, despite opening lots of <p>, there is no <p> tag open, and invalidates when i try to close them... http://4x4norway.no/hans/test/validator_is_wrong.html
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52. # [00:52] <JonathanNeal> http://static.adzerk.net/Advertisers/3356335e5a6a4282b0c8f57720db52ea.jpg
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82. # [01:29] * Topic is 'Ask any question about HTML5 & Friends || HTML5 Spec for Developers: http://developers.whatwg.org || Also: http://html5rocks.com http://diveintohtml5.info http://mzl.la/9giLwR || Channel logs: http://j.mp/cG7UDa'
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84. # [01:29] -holmes.freenode.net:#html5- [freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp
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88. # [01:34] <sreich> where's a good example of a linegraphh/plotter that has a fill below it?
89. # [01:34] <sreich> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Canvas_tutorial
90. # [01:34] <sreich> i see the image to the right is what i want, but i couldn't find that in the tutorials
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92. # [01:38] <sreich> sorry, internet dropped out. miss anything?
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95. # [01:41] <sreich> or better yet, if somebody could point me to a good filled line graph example
96. # [01:41] <sreich> canvas, fo course
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98. # [01:45] <sreich> and i dropped again :/
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119. # [02:14] <JonathanNeal> can you guys help me test the caniuse keywords? when you search for a feature right now, there is a list of possible matching keywords, so you don't need to be specific. So "sockets" and "websockets" both match to "websockets". @ http://sandbox.thewikies.com/caniuse/
120. # [02:17] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: you're including both the modernizr and caniuse keywords?
121. # [02:18] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: you should link to your github repo from this page
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123. # [02:19] <JonathanNeal> will do, adding.
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141. # [02:46] <ryanseddon> JonathanNeal: can you remove the padding from the body on the html result, I think most uses will be using that inside and iframe
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143. # [02:49] <JonathanNeal> ryanseddon: yes i can
144. # [02:49] <ryanseddon> JonathanNeal: do you want me to file an issue on github
145. # [02:50] <JonathanNeal> i've got it
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148. # [03:00] <JonathanNeal> ryanseddon: added
149. # [03:01] <ryanseddon> JonathanNeal: awesome, thanks!
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152. # [03:11] * tw2113 needs to do work on github that prompts pull requests :D
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160. # [03:21] * Topic is 'Ask any question about HTML5 & Friends || HTML5 Spec for Developers: http://developers.whatwg.org || Also: http://html5rocks.com http://diveintohtml5.info http://mzl.la/9giLwR || Channel logs: http://j.mp/cG7UDa'
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163. # [03:22] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: can i tweak that index page?
164. # [03:23] <JonathanNeal> yea
165. # [03:23] <JonathanNeal> on experimental?
166. # [03:23] <JonathanNeal> please do it on experimental
167. # [03:23] <paul_irish> oh you're branching
168. # [03:23] <paul_irish> why the branch?
169. # [03:24] <JonathanNeal> sandbox will run experimental as will david_mark and a few other tests
170. # [03:24] <JonathanNeal> when things stablized i was going to merge it into master
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172. # [03:24] <JonathanNeal> maybe i'm failing to use branching correctly.
173. # [03:25] <paul_irish> oh. i do development in master and shoot off release branches typically
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178. # [03:29] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish: lemme know when it's in, i'll pull it to the sandbox.
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267. # [05:31] <chewedon> if not
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386. # [08:04] <JonathanNeal> hiya
387. # [08:05] <tw2113> yo
388. # [08:06] <aamironline> hey
389. # [08:07] <JonathanNeal> tw2113 or anyone, what do you think of these keywords @ https://github.com/jonathantneal/caniuse/blob/master/data.json#L110-224 --- each property contains keywords that will return the property name as a result.
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392. # [08:08] <tw2113> that must be a big file
393. # [08:08] <tw2113> temporarily froze firefox for m
394. # [08:08] <tw2113> e
395. # [08:09] <JonathanNeal> oh i'm sorry
396. # [08:09] <tw2113> it happens
397. # [08:09] <tw2113> no ill will :)
398. # [08:11] <tw2113> they look fine to me
399. # [08:11] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: alexis will generate a new one of these regularly
400. # [08:12] <paul_irish> so i think your aliases should be defined externally, right?
401. # [08:13] <JonathanNeal> a new data.json ?
402. # [08:13] <paul_irish> yes
403. # [08:14] <JonathanNeal> in that case, yes. the other issue is that his data.json object is minified. i'll email him about that.
404. # [08:14] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: why cant his be minified?
405. # [08:15] <JonathanNeal> it can, but it limits debugging and viewing on github.
406. # [08:15] <tw2113> is it possible to have OOP type functionality with js?
407. # [08:16] <paul_irish> alternatively you could just pull http://caniuse.com/jsonp.php directly
408. # [08:16] <paul_irish> that's probably best
409. # [08:16] <JonathanNeal> tw2113: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Introduction_to_Object-Oriented_JavaScript
410. # [08:16] <paul_irish> because its less maintenance for him to update that then push the data.json to github
411. # [08:16] <tw2113> ooh, MDN too
412. # [08:17] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish: hmm
413. # [08:17] <paul_irish> plus we dont want to have to manually update the API ourselves after he's manually updated the data.json
414. # [08:19] <JonathanNeal> yea, for performance i wouldn't want to curl his page though.
415. # [08:19] <paul_irish> curl it and cache it
416. # [08:19] <paul_irish> save it for a day
417. # [08:19] <JonathanNeal> yea sure
418. # [08:20] <JonathanNeal> i'll save it as a native php object for performance.
419. # [08:21] <paul_irish> aiight
420. # [08:21] <tw2113> would JSOOP be native js? or would it be able to be done through something like jquery?
421. # [08:22] <JonathanNeal> i don't really know if my caching is helping, but i imagine the less processing or arrays in memory the better.
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426. # [08:24] <tw2113> trying to determine how i want to go about a js based "plugin" idea
427. # [08:25] <tw2113> probably due to experience level, just stick with jquery
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429. # [08:28] <JonathanNeal> well, paul_irish, writing things that differently constitutes doing it tomorrow. :)
430. # [08:28] <paul_irish> ok
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432. # [08:29] <JonathanNeal> i pulled your changes into master.
433. # [08:30] <JonathanNeal> I want to change the way the support object is anyway, I don't like the agentsProper thing we did for david_mark
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435. # [08:31] <JonathanNeal> i'd also like a "partial" flag
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439. # [08:36] <JonathanNeal> it might be best to set things up as a cron job.
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458. # [08:57] <JonathanNeal> great news paul_irish, i can set up a cron job to pull in and commit Fyrd's data.json object (if it has been updated) to our repo every day, even updating all of the cache at that time as well.
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460. # [09:00] <paul_irish> yayyy
461. # [09:00] <paul_irish> awesome
462. # [09:00] <paul_irish> can the edits that you've since made to the file be worked in nicely? i havent seen the scope of what you did
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464. # [09:01] <tw2113> paul_irish that polyfill wiki is on the h5bp gh right?
465. # [09:01] <tw2113> or is that modernizr
466. # [09:01] <paul_irish> ?g polyfill wiki
467. # [09:01] <bot-t> paul_irish, HTML5 Cross Browser Polyfills - GitHub - https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/wiki/HTML5-Cross-browser-Polyfills
468. # [09:01] <tw2113> thank ya
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471. # [09:06] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish: i beautified the data.json object, i added stuff to agents and i added the keywords section, the only correction to the original data.json object was a grammatical error where there was a lingering space before a closing parenthesis.
472. # [09:07] <JonathanNeal> i've now extracted both the agents and keywords objects into their own files so we can pull in fyrd's independently.
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474. # [09:08] <paul_irish> sweeet
475. # [09:08] <paul_irish> gj gj hf
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478. # [09:13] <paul_irish> sweeet
479. # [09:13] <paul_irish> gj gj hf
480. # [09:13] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: ^
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485. # [09:23] <JonathanNeal> i just got logged back in
486. # [09:23] <JonathanNeal> what am i looking at, paul_irish?
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489. # [09:31] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: just saying good job high five
490. # [09:31] <JonathanNeal> :D
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492. # [09:32] <JonathanNeal> got a new cache system about up and going, bed time.
493. # [09:32] <tw2113> *cheers*
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1253. # [18:11] * WebDragon frowns at IETester
1254. # [18:12] <WebDragon> why does it say it's IE6 Standards mode in an IE7 tab, IE7 Strict mode in an IE8 tab, and IE9 Standards mode in an IE9 tab. it's goofy in the head
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1272. # [18:22] <Jon47> webdragon in my experience you can't use anything but the real deal if you want really accurate cross-browser compatibility
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1274. # [18:23] <WebDragon> Jon47: that's what IETester was supposed to be about
1275. # [18:23] <WebDragon> using the _actual_ engines of each browser as COM objects to be embedded in the same way Explorer is
1276. # [18:23] <Jon47> haha
1277. # [18:23] <Jon47> yeah but it's using the engines of each browser as COM objects
1278. # [18:23] <Jon47> whatever that means
1279. # [18:23] <Jon47> it's not actually running the browser and all
1280. # [18:24] <WebDragon> the details are on IETester's site
1281. # [18:24] <Jon47> i guess i don't really carea bout the details
1282. # [18:24] * WebDragon hides a chuckle in his coffeemug
1283. # [18:24] <Jon47> microsoft can't even make a browser that accurately emulates their own old browsers
1284. # [18:24] <Jon47> i'd be surprised if a third-party could do better
1285. # [18:24] <WebDragon> I wouldn't either if our website client hadn't turned up at one of THEIR clients with their new website we did only to find that corporate-wide they're still on IE7
1286. # [18:25] <WebDragon> Jon47: LMFAO
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1327. # [18:51] -asimov.freenode.net:#html5- [freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp
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1705. # [19:03] <fds_> ?
1706. # [19:03] <fds_> xD
1707. # [19:04] <fds_> :D
1708. # [19:04] <fds_> :)
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1711. # [19:04] <WebDragon> =:-| -- real punk rockers don't smile
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1722. # [19:07] * WebDragon wonders if all of his text made it through to David_Bradbury what with the netsplit and all
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1729. # [19:07] <David_Bradbury> It did, and I can't say I have an explanation for that besides that IE is dumb
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1735. # [19:13] <WebDragon> I'm thinking of reporting it to them as a bug
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1893. # [21:04] <rhelic> by yours truly http://i.imgur.com/u7AnP.jpg
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1906. # [21:16] <xec> rhelic: haha thats brilliant
1907. # [21:17] <rhelic> i try
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1922. # [21:31] <jarek> Hi
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1924. # [21:32] <jarek> what's the most accurate way to measure time between certain user actions?
1925. # [21:32] <jarek> currently I'm using custom timer that increments the time value every 50ms
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1927. # [21:33] <jarek> another idea is to set to timestamps using Date.now() and then substract them
1928. # [21:34] <jarek> s/to timestamps/two timestamps
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1931. # [21:34] <sreich> timestamps would probably be best if you can get high time detail
1932. # [21:35] <sreich> you don't want timers, that causes more system wakeups
1933. # [21:35] <sreich> which is bad bad
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1937. # [21:37] <jarek> yeah, I have noticed that timeouts can get out of sync when performing CPU-intensive tasks
1938. # [21:37] <jarek> but using plain timestamps is a big ugly
1939. # [21:38] <moo-_-> I am using timestamp
1940. # [21:38] <moo-_-> from Date.now()
1941. # [21:38] <moo-_-> to enhance the resolution of <audio> timeupdate event
1942. # [21:38] <moo-_-> it's JS
1943. # [21:38] <moo-_-> you need to be happy you have something :)
1944. # [21:38] <jarek> I like how console.time('myTimestamp') and console.timeEnd('myTimestamp') work
1945. # [21:39] <jarek> I guess will have to implement my own time() and timeEnd() methods on top of Date.now()
1946. # [21:40] <jarek> s/a big ugly/a bit ugly
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1957. # [21:55] <rhelic> wtf does this even exist?!!? http://www.amazon.com/Passion-Natural-Water-Based-Lubricant-Gallon/dp/B005MR3IVO/
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1959. # [21:57] <cheilmann> hmm
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1961. # [21:58] <WebDragon> rhelic: LOL : Customers Who Viewed This Item Also Viewed : http://www.amazon.com/Accoutrements-12027-Horse-Head-Mask/dp/B003G4IM4S/ref=pd_sim_sbs_hpc_1
1962. # [21:59] <WebDragon> ahahahhahhahahha
1963. # [21:59] <cheilmann> more importantly - how did you find it?
1964. # [22:00] <WebDragon> I don't even want to know what's running through those people's heads that they'd need a 50 gallon drum of lube
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1968. # [22:03] <cheilmann> I can think of a few things
1969. # [22:03] <cheilmann> sometimes a few at once...
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2035. # [23:22] <cheilmann> anyone for tennis? http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/3059225/win8newflag_large_verge_medium_landscape.jpg
2036. # [23:26] <xec> cheilmann: that cannot possible be the real thing?
2037. # [23:26] <xec> possibly*
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2039. # [23:27] <cheilmann> yes it is
2040. # [23:27] <tw2113> did they run a Gap filter on their marketing department?
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2042. # [23:27] <cheilmann> http://www.theverge.com/microsoft/2012/2/14/2797077/windows-8-flag-metro-style
2043. # [23:27] <xec> what on earth are they thinking
2044. # [23:27] <cheilmann> well, you can do it in CSS with 3D transforms
2045. # [23:27] <cheilmann> not in IE of course, but...
2046. # [23:28] <xec> "our logo is far from as boring as it *could* be, shape up guys"
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2048. # [23:28] <cheilmann> I am sure there should be another &copy; in there somewhere
2049. # [23:28] <xec> lol
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2051. # [23:28] <xec> maybe a small c inside the 8
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2055. # [23:33] <xec> cheilmann: http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/The-Evolution-of-the-Windows-Boot-Screen-3.png
2056. # [23:33] <xec> dare I say it's been improving
2057. # [23:33] <xec> so far
2058. # [23:33] <xec> until now
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