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  81. # [03:02] <uf0_work> paul_irish: on your latest Chrome updates, I notice you guys changed the behavior when an search input has focus
  82. # [03:02] <uf0_work> paul_irish: if a placeholder has focus it remains there
  83. # [03:02] <uf0_work> paul_irish: it disappears only when typing
  84. # [03:03] <uf0_work> I think this update should be reverted to how it was before
  85. # [03:03] <uf0_work> it should clear when it has focus period.
  86. # [03:03] <uf0_work> not when typing
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  88. # [03:03] <uf0_work> curious to know why it was changed
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  96. # [03:07] <lori92ro> buona sera
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  110. # [03:44] <paul_irish> uf0_work: safari has this behavior as well
  111. # [03:44] <paul_irish> i think we're copying them
  112. # [03:44] <paul_irish> i like this style way more
  113. # [03:44] <paul_irish> for instance..
  114. # [03:45] <paul_irish> <input placeholder="xxx-xxx-xxxx" autofocus>
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  127. # [04:16] <uf0_work> paul_irish: I don't think Safari has this behavior.. either way i prefer it blank on autofocus
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  130. # [04:16] <uf0_work> :) I love chrome though so I'll live with it
  131. # [04:17] <uf0_work> paul_irish: by the way huge THANKS for fixing that developer toolbar 0px to 1px from keyboard!
  132. # [04:17] <uf0_work> paul_irish: instead of the OLD 0 to .01
  133. # [04:17] <paul_irish> :)
  134. # [04:17] <uf0_work> now you just need the boxes to the left
  135. # [04:17] <uf0_work> and i'll soon leave firebug ;)
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  140. # [04:21] <paul_irish> uf0_work: open chrome canary.
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  143. # [04:23] <uf0_work> paul_irish: one sec..
  144. # [04:26] <uf0_work> paul_irish: !! yes!
  145. # [04:26] <uf0_work> paul_irish: how long till it becomes official
  146. # [04:26] <paul_irish> :D
  147. # [04:26] <paul_irish> something like 9 weeks to work its way to stable
  148. # [04:27] <paul_irish> it landed in canary like 3 days ago
  149. # [04:27] <uf0_work> bout time
  150. # [04:27] <uf0_work> thing was annoying
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  152. # [04:31] <uf0_work> paul_irish: ok I got one more request.. when using developer toolbar
  153. # [04:31] <uf0_work> paul_irish: when switching to HSL Colors, box-shadow remains HEX #s
  154. # [04:31] <uf0_work> can that be changed to show HSL as it does with others?
  155. # [04:33] <paul_irish> uf0_work: whats dev toolsbar?
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  157. # [04:33] <paul_irish> uf0_work: use the settings inside devtools. you can say ALWAYS EVERYTHING hsl!
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  159. # [04:35] <uf0_work> paul_irish: ?? checking
  160. # [04:35] <uf0_work> paul_irish: yea that's what I mean.. it does everything
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  162. # [04:35] <uf0_work> except box-shadow
  163. # [04:35] <paul_irish> screenshot?
  164. # [04:36] <uf0_work> am I wrong?
  165. # [04:36] <uf0_work> where do I post the screenshot
  166. # [04:36] <paul_irish> imgur?
  167. # [04:36] <paul_irish> or
  168. # [04:36] <paul_irish> gimme a test page i can look in canary
  169. # [04:36] <paul_irish> im busy right now :|
  170. # [04:36] <uf0_work> sure..
  171. # [04:36] <uf0_work> sec
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  174. # [04:39] <uf0_work> paul_irish: http://imgur.com/Eh386
  175. # [04:39] <paul_irish> thats a bug!
  176. # [04:39] <paul_irish> uf0_work: bugs.webkit.org
  177. # [04:39] <paul_irish> new Inspector bug
  178. # [04:39] <paul_irish> file it!!
  179. # [04:40] <paul_irish> i think you can cc me
  180. # [04:40] <tw2113> *dramatic music*
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  182. # [04:40] <uf0_work> :) ok
  183. # [04:41] <uf0_work> tw2113: yo wordpress master!
  184. # [04:42] <tw2113> i really need to shake off that reputation
  185. # [04:42] <uf0_work> well you are..
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  187. # [04:42] <uf0_work> can't deny it.. I haven't been on mirc for awhile though
  188. # [04:42] <tw2113> i'm good with it, i'm no master
  189. # [04:42] <uf0_work> errr IRC
  190. # [04:42] <tw2113> i'm a master like paul_irish prefers hex colors
  191. # [04:43] <paul_irish> lol
  192. # [04:43] <uf0_work> well I prefer hex colors too
  193. # [04:43] <uf0_work> but I find hsl useful tool
  194. # [04:43] <tw2113> note: he prefers hsl
  195. # [04:43] <tw2113> thus why he did mothereffinhsl and not mothereffinhex
  196. # [04:43] <uf0_work> i prefer hex but it's very easy to design using HSL while using chrome
  197. # [04:43] <uf0_work> haha lol
  198. # [04:44] <uf0_work> designers give me hex numbers not HSL numbers
  199. # [04:45] <uf0_work> BUT me personally I use HSL to figure out shade I want to use then I actually put the hex # in the css
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  201. # [04:46] <JonathanNeal> hiya
  202. # [04:46] <tw2113> paul_irish is there any support issues with MFHSL that would prevent it from working in Firefox?
  203. # [04:46] <uf0_work> anyway, let me file this thangg
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  205. # [04:46] <tw2113> or maybe it's just not working? http://mothereffinghsl.com/
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  213. # [05:04] <uf0_work> tw2113: it not working in FF could probably mean the prefixes aren't up to date
  214. # [05:04] <tw2113> it didn't work in chrome
  215. # [05:04] <tw2113> either
  216. # [05:05] <uf0_work> u sure about that? where does it work for you then?
  217. # [05:05] <uf0_work> what browser
  218. # [05:05] <tw2113> dunno, too lazy to try opera
  219. # [05:05] <tw2113> no immediate access to IE
  220. # [05:05] <uf0_work> lol.. nah
  221. # [05:05] <uf0_work> i aint got opera
  222. # [05:05] <tw2113> i just get the background
  223. # [05:05] <uf0_work> forget it lol
  224. # [05:08] <uf0_work> paul_irish: what email do I CC you at?
  225. # [05:08] <uf0_work> for the bug
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  230. # [05:23] <jimisrvrox> im trying to do is delete entire div classes with content and all in geany any suggestions?
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  260. # [06:43] <chee> all of the html
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  268. # [07:29] <`Assassin> Do any websites allow one to watch html5 video without javascript?
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  270. # [07:32] <mr_lou> The video tag doesn't require use of Javascript.
  271. # [07:33] <`Assassin> mr_lou: this much I understand, but I'm having trouble finding a website that allows one to access a video without javascript.
  272. # [07:34] <JonathanNeal> `Assassin: http://sandbox.thewikies.com/vfe-generator/
  273. # [07:34] <JonathanNeal> use that generator to test it yourself.
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  275. # [07:37] <`Assassin> JonathanNeal: doesn't appear to work. Some not found errors occur.
  276. # [07:37] <JonathanNeal> `Assassin: what browser are you using?
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  278. # [07:38] <`Assassin> Firefox 10.0.1
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  280. # [07:38] <tw2113> JonathanNeal http://pastebin.com/kbt2Ec7C
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  283. # [07:39] <JonathanNeal> I just tested the site in Firefox and it runs great. Are you seeing the picture of the "Big Buck Bunny"?
  284. # [07:39] <`Assassin> No.
  285. # [07:39] <JonathanNeal> What do you see?
  286. # [07:40] <tw2113> works for me
  287. # [07:41] <tw2113> but i'm on 12.0a2
  288. # [07:41] <JonathanNeal> tw2113: awesome function
  289. # [07:41] <`Assassin> I have NoScript on. When I temporarily allow thewikies.com, video works, so this website is not a good example of html5 video working without javascript.
  290. # [07:41] <JonathanNeal> `Assassin: I think the issue is not a matter of javascript for video.
  291. # [07:41] <JonathanNeal> I think the issue is that the generator uses javascript, but do you see the code that it generates?
  292. # [07:41] <JonathanNeal> That code is javascript free.
  293. # [07:41] <JonathanNeal> Look at the code yourself. You will be so happy.
  294. # [07:42] <`Assassin> I'll see if I can test the code then.
  295. # [07:42] <tw2113> :O <script>document.createElement('video');</script>
  296. # [07:43] <tw2113> i see a lot of js in there
  297. # [07:43] <tw2113> unless i'm on the wrong pane
  298. # [07:43] <tw2113> l
  299. # [07:43] <JonathanNeal> `Assassin: please do test the code that it generates for you, they are only html tags and should not require any javascript.
  300. # [07:44] <JonathanNeal> However, a web experience without javascript is a decade old web experience. Would you care to share a little more about your concerns with javascript being used `Assassin? They in no way imply that you need javascript, just that I think it's a curious thing to be worried about.
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  302. # [07:45] <`Assassin> The code works fine, but for the longest time javascript has been a security risk. I leave it disabled by default because of this.
  303. # [07:46] <JonathanNeal> `Assassin: your name is a security risk, definitionally speaking. :D
  304. # [07:46] <tw2113> thanks for the complement btw JonathanNeal
  305. # [07:47] <`Assassin> I have limited understanding of javascript. Maybe it's just the permission given to javascript by browsers that cause it to be a privacy and security risk, but there's just something wrong about running code automatically from random websites that one comes upon while surfing.
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  308. # [07:48] <JonathanNeal> I am just being silly, `Assassin. I hope this solves your immediate problem. I would say, though, that JavaScript as it is popularly used on the web is not a security risk. Otherwise, all of our computers and smartphones are toast. And Google, Apple, Mozilla, Opera, and Microsoft have been barking up the wrong tree with this web 2.0 thing.
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  310. # [07:48] <tw2113> we're not on 3.0 yet?
  311. # [07:48] <tw2113> i thought that was the age of the API and html5
  312. # [07:49] <JonathanNeal> `Assassin: one could argue displaying images on a webpage that the user was not prepared to see is just as arbitrary a use of power.
  313. # [07:51] <`Assassin> JonathanNeal: disabling javascript by default stops most "drive by" malware issues in the Windows world. The privacy issues which occur with it being enabled are much more quiet but more likely to be present on all platforms.
  314. # [07:51] <JonathanNeal> The first line of defense is not the operating system, but the user, and then the browser, and then the website.
  315. # [07:51] <JonathanNeal> and most browsers do a great job of protecting the user and the operating system from such threats.
  316. # [07:52] <`Assassin> Until I can leave javascript on for even websites I do not trust (example: anything Google), it stays off by default.
  317. # [07:54] <tw2113> do whatever you want with your browsing
  318. # [07:54] <JonathanNeal> tw2113: as long as you don't hurt anybody else.
  319. # [07:54] <JonathanNeal> ... wait, that's moral relativity.
  320. # [07:54] <tw2113> sounds libertarian to me
  321. # [07:55] <JonathanNeal> similar, it's a popular implementation of it (both libertarianism and moral relativism, the former probably being closer too).
  322. # [07:56] <tw2113> but i won't venture there as it's not quite on topic
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  325. # [07:59] <JonathanNeal> i don't know what you're talking about tw2113
  326. # [07:59] <tw2113> politics
  327. # [07:59] <JonathanNeal> <liberty:as-an-ethic> <pure/> <pragmatic/> </liberty:as-an-ethic> <liberty:as-a-philosophy> <pure/> <pragmatic/> </liberty:as-a-philosophy>
  328. # [08:00] <JonathanNeal> we're debating when and where and how and why we should use those tags, of course.
  329. # [08:00] <JonathanNeal> the point is, they are more specific than <i>
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  331. # [08:01] <JonathanNeal> `Assassin: did things work out for you?
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  335. # [08:09] <JonathanNeal> tw2113: sorry, didn't mean to scare you off, was being silly again, it's 11pm here.
  336. # [08:09] <JonathanNeal> i'll take note of my behavior and get to bed shortly.
  337. # [08:09] <tw2113> no worries
  338. # [08:09] <tw2113> it's 1am here
  339. # [08:09] <`Assassin> JonathanNeal: the code worked fine, but the problems society has still persist.
  340. # [08:10] <tw2113> wait what? society has problems?
  341. # [08:10] <JonathanNeal> tw2113: <liberty> tag, remember?
  342. # [08:10] <tw2113> oh yeah
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  344. # [08:12] <`Assassin> I don't think society's problems are going away soon enough, so I'll have to search for technological solutions to this issue in the future even though technology has limited application for this problem.
  345. # [08:12] <JonathanNeal> Well, it's time for bed. Fun conversation.
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  347. # [08:13] <JonathanNeal> Have fun solving for moral depravity and javascript-less browsing without me.
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  388. # [10:54] <gilmore> hello
  389. # [10:55] <gilmore> i had a question
  390. # [10:55] <gilmore> there is some form of make a html5 canvas don't get softened their content in a navigator ?
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  392. # [10:56] <gilmore> specially in the mobile devices :(
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  403. # [11:29] <mr_lou> Small HTML5 experiment.... 60 fps in Opera on Desktop computer.... 11 fps on Android phone.... 1 fps on iPhone!!!! :-O
  404. # [11:29] <mr_lou> Well done Apple.
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  459. # [14:36] <sedovsek> Is it possible to set the transition for element:after?
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  461. # [14:37] <sedovsek> For instance, having { content: "»"; background-color ... } & you want to apply transition to change the background color?
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  464. # [14:46] <DarkArtist69> anyone know of a good software that can manage mp3 playlist and stream using html5 to a website?
  465. # [14:46] <moo-_-> DarkArtist69: what?
  466. # [14:47] <moo-_-> you want to embed an mp3 player on your html5 page?
  467. # [14:47] <DarkArtist69> on the front end yes
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  469. # [14:47] <DarkArtist69> but am wondering about a backend for managing the mp3s actually
  470. # [14:48] <moo-_-> normal HTTP download is fine
  471. # [14:49] <DarkArtist69> ?
  472. # [14:52] <moo-_-> DarkArtist69: you can just toss files on any web server
  473. # [14:53] <DarkArtist69> right.. but i am looking for a cms for managing playlist that would be played at differant times ..started and stop.. that kinda thing.
  474. # [14:54] <moo-_-> DarkArtist69: there might products for your need, but you don't find them here as this is mostly a developer channel discussing about HTML5 and Javascript
  475. # [14:55] <DarkArtist69> would you might know a better channel i could try?
  476. # [14:56] <moo-_-> if you feel lucky you might finding something here http://extensions.joomla.org/
  477. # [14:56] <moo-_-> joomla is a crappy PHP CMS, but it has plugins for everything
  478. # [14:57] <DarkArtist69> i am using wordpress at the moment,,. but nothing there yet
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  533. # [17:07] <tertl4> anyone using visual studio for html5 stuffs?
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  535. # [17:09] * StoneCypher uses a simple highlighting editor
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  539. # [17:17] <tertl4> I am a bit confused
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  541. # [17:17] <clouder`grr> sublime text is pretty amazing
  542. # [17:17] <moo-_-> tertl4: probably the answer is "no one is using"
  543. # [17:18] <tertl4> I have only done asp.net tutorials
  544. # [17:18] <tertl4> but I am interested in doing 2D games with gpu acceleration in html5(canvas)
  545. # [17:19] <moo-_-> tertl4: I suggest you start with a some Javascript 2D game library instead of starting from the scratch
  546. # [17:22] <tertl4> ok
  547. # [17:22] <tertl4> whats this about jquery?
  548. # [17:22] <StoneCypher> jquery is a utility library that won't really do you much good for game dev.
  549. # [17:22] <moo-_-> tertl4: jquery is for different purpose than <canvas>
  550. # [17:23] <moo-_-> tertl4: http://impactjs.com/
  551. # [17:23] <StoneCypher> tertl4: what you said was "i built a skateboard. now i want to make a tank."
  552. # [17:23] <StoneCypher> tertl4: take smaller intermediate steps.
  553. # [17:23] <StoneCypher> tertl4: you'll get to the other side faster because you spend less time fighting the learning curve.
  554. # [17:24] <tertl4> ahh its $99
  555. # [17:25] <moo-_-> tertl4: there are free ones, but that one is well-documented and suitable for newcomers
  556. # [17:26] <moo-_-> with known good track record
  557. # [17:26] <moo-_-> tertl4: here is free one http://cocos2d-javascript.org/demos
  558. # [17:27] <StoneCypher> oh ffs.
  559. # [17:27] <StoneCypher> "this tank kit is too expensive"
  560. # [17:27] <StoneCypher> good luck.
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  562. # [17:28] <tertl4> StoneCypher :)
  563. # [17:28] <moo-_-> StoneCypher: let's be polite and encouraging :)
  564. # [17:28] <moo-_-> if someone want to give data for our little innerHTML vs. documentFragment benchmark please go here http://jsperf.com/fragment-vs-appendchild-vs-innerhtml/6 and hit run tests
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  566. # [17:28] <StoneCypher> moo-_-: thanks, i actually don't structure how i speak around instructions from strangers
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  568. # [17:29] <tertl4> well, I am just having trouble getting a good environment to work in
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  570. # [17:29] <StoneCypher> tertl4: if your first client-side software is an attempt to make a complex game, and you are at the point where you can't even get an enviroment set up, you are aiming too high, and you will fail, regardless of skill. start /smaller/ . most backend experience does not transfer to frontend.
  571. # [17:30] <tertl4> i like VS becouse it sets up the web page framework
  572. # [17:30] <StoneCypher> or not.
  573. # [17:30] <tertl4> what do you think of aptana?
  574. # [17:30] <moo-_-> tertl4: I use Aptana Studio 3 myself
  575. # [17:31] <moo-_-> it is the most heavy tool in my armory
  576. # [17:31] <moo-_-> but I need all that power
  577. # [17:31] <moo-_-> it is a complex and flexible software, but little bit too complex for novices I'd say
  578. # [17:31] <moo-_-> tertl4: I suggest you'd start with a simple text editor like Sublime
  579. # [17:32] <moo-_-> bb, see you later ->
  580. # [17:33] <tertl4> okay
  581. # [17:33] <tertl4> i need a boilerplate i guess is what Im saying
  582. # [17:34] <moo-_-> aha
  583. # [17:34] <moo-_-> first you need to pick an library you are going to use
  584. # [17:34] <moo-_-> because you don't want to start from the scratch
  585. # [17:34] <moo-_-> and the library will usually have a tutorial/boilerplate for you
  586. # [17:35] <StoneCypher> boilerplate is a sure route to never understanding what you're actually doing
  587. # [17:35] <moo-_-> https://gist.github.com/768272
  588. # [17:36] <moo-_-> there's a list
  589. # [17:41] <tertl4> wow there are lots of them
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  595. # [17:57] <moo-_-> FYI sneak peak http://miohtama.github.com/Eric-Cartman/
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  619. # [18:36] <nullucas> hi, I think it would be cool is html allowed something like "nested id's", to be able to access anything you want without using javascript. So you could have something like href=#section1#part1 , and href=#section2#part1 ...
  620. # [18:36] <nullucas> this is not possible in any other way, is it?
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  654. # [19:30] <Pinchiukas> Can I stream an "mpeg1-2" video with the video tag or something?
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  660. # [19:39] <BassAss> what do you mean when you say stream?
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  665. # [19:52] <m00bles> Pinchiukas, what's "mpeg1-2"
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  673. # [20:03] <moo-_-> Pinchiukas: no
  674. # [20:03] <moo-_-> h264, webm, ogv
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  689. # [20:40] <Pinchiukas> newz2000: that's what VLC says about the stream. :)
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  704. # [21:13] <moo-_-> Pinchiukas: then you will fix your stream
  705. # [21:13] <moo-_-> :)
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  716. # [21:25] <tertl4> hi
  717. # [21:26] <tertl4> I am now running some simple html5 and js in my VS
  718. # [21:26] <tertl4> i just make a empty asp.net project and add files to it
  719. # [21:26] <tertl4> simple enough I guess
  720. # [21:27] <tertl4> moo-_- i think cocos looked like a good engin, no?
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  722. # [21:28] <MrNaz``> what is the correct semantic element to use when quoting a word or phrase as a special term? e.g., The madman planned to shoot the earth with a giant "laser". is <q>laser</q> the correct semantic markup?
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  724. # [21:30] <tw2113> http://html5doctor.com/blockquote-q-cite/
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  769. # [22:53] <tertl4> willt here be a good job market for html5?
  770. # [22:54] <moo-_-> tertl4: no
  771. # [22:54] <moo-_-> html5 is commodity
  772. # [22:54] <moo-_-> everyone need to know it
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  798. # [23:29] <JohnnyL> How can you make a listbox (with scrollers) that can fire links (to pdfs on the server)?
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