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- # Session Start: Tue Feb 21 00:00:01 2012
- # Session Ident: #html5
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- # [00:07] <gnarf> most conversation I've seen in here in a long time
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- # [00:08] <shepazu> paul_irish: are you planning to be active in the ResponsImage CG, or is it something you're just tracking? and do you know anyone on the Chrome team interested in hacking on it for a branch?
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- # [00:13] <paul_irish> shepazu: just tracking but i'd like to get someone else involved.
- # [00:13] <shepazu> paul_irish: okay, cool
- # [00:14] <shepazu> I'm going to track it a bit, and chime in a bit, but mostly, you and Wilto et al should just ping me or Mike5 if you need something
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- # [00:19] <paul_irish> roger that. thanks
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- # [00:20] <tertl4> 10/4 good buddy
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- # [00:23] <Wilto> shepazu: Will do, man. Thanks!
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- # [00:31] <crivera> ie9 keeps trying to load ttf after eot @font-face definition
- # [00:31] <crivera> i thought it stopped searching once it found something
- # [00:33] <paul_irish> use the fontspring syntax
- # [00:33] <crivera> thanks, buddy
- # [00:33] <crivera> let me try it
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- # [00:33] <chee> if anyone uses {less}, i've made a little library that includes most of the stuff from css3please.com and a few other bits and pieces https://github.com/chee/vendor.less
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- # [00:34] <chee> bits and pisces
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- # [00:41] <crivera> paul_irish: turns out the problem was a charset encoding definition in my css
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- # [00:41] <crivera> thanks
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- # [01:02] <jarek> How do I detect when user tap event?
- # [01:02] <jarek> s/user tap/tap
- # [01:03] <jarek> when the system is configured with "tap to click" option, it does not fire mousedown event
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- # [01:05] <jarek> nvm, it actually works
- # [01:05] <jarek> I made a silly mistake
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- # [03:08] <mike5w3c> wg0d: I'll check on the validation problem you mentioned
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- # [03:14] <mike5w3c> wg0d: OK, I think I know what's causing it and will get it fixed asap
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- # [03:15] <sarah> good evening
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- # [03:16] <Guest86435> I have a little problem concerning the html5boilerplate - can somebody help me, please? :)
- # [03:18] <Guest86435> please, just a second
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- # [03:22] <mike5w3c> wg0d: man the cause of this is a boneheaded mistake I made. I'm surprised nobody else reported it before now. thanks for catching it
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- # [03:34] <sarah15213> I have a little problem concerning the html5boilerplate - can somebody help me, please? :) Just a second ...
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- # [04:49] <mike5w3c> https://bitbucket.org/validator/syntax/changeset/9fa1e26d56a7
- # [04:49] <mike5w3c> will deploy it now
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- # [05:11] <mike5w3c> wg0d: pushed to http://validator.w3.org/nu/ now
- # [05:11] <mike5w3c> thanks for catching that
- # [05:12] <mike5w3c> if you find other problems you can report them at http://bugzilla.validator.nu/
- # [05:12] <mike5w3c> or feel free to just ping me here or on #whatwg
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- # [06:53] <pxsebi> does anyone know of a framework or existing code that allows you to drag an image onto a canvas and it has handles to transform/scale/rotate the image?
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- # [07:23] <jacine> hey :)
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- # [07:38] <paul_irish> ryanseddon: wat
- # [07:38] <paul_irish> no bind?
- # [07:39] <paul_irish> dont be crazy
- # [07:39] <paul_irish> chee: coolness
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- # [10:21] <D4> So I'm trying to anchor.. <a href="#test">Test</a> and further down I've got <h3 id="test">Test</h3> <-- why won't it scroll down?
- # [10:24] <D4> I've even tried <a name="test">Test</a> but it won't work either.
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- # [10:26] <Ms2ger> D4, should work
- # [10:26] <D4> So I thought :/
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- # [14:09] <Butcher> is it possible to use js to display html5 required glow to an input field?
- # [14:09] <Octayn> Why js? CSS will do it.
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- # [14:11] <Butcher> oh how?
- # [14:11] <Butcher> browser specific glow right?
- # [14:11] <Octayn> Well, what glow are you talking about?
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- # [14:12] <Octayn> You want the :required or :invalid pseudo-classes I think
- # [14:12] <Butcher> if you fill in a form and forget to fill in an input with the resuired attribute
- # [14:12] <Octayn> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/%3Arequired https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/%3Ainvalid https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/%3Aoptional
- # [14:12] <Octayn> If your target browsers don't support those you could get by with attribute selectors
- # [14:13] <Butcher> neh, older browsers get an alert and that's fine
- # [14:15] <Butcher> is it possible to just trigger the input with js?
- # [14:15] <Octayn> What do you mean?
- # [14:16] <Butcher> because the element i'd like to be shown as invalid is not in the current submitted form
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- # [14:20] <Butcher> isn't it possible to mark an input field as invalid?
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- # [14:36] <moo-_-> do you know any CSS 3d transforms galleries?
- # [14:36] <moo-_-> or effect generators
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- # [14:41] <OzDave_imac> I like http://css3please.com/ http://www.colorzilla.com/gradient-editor/ but I cannot recall teh 3d one I stumbled over yet
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- # [14:43] <becom33> when I browse a website trought a ipad , websites interface changes accourding the its resolution size . how can I do with html5 ?
- # [14:44] <Octayn> becom33: media queries
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- # [14:47] <moo-_-> becom33: you asked that yesterday
- # [14:47] <moo-_-> and I gave you a link
- # [14:47] <moo-_-> please read http://opensourcehacker.com/2012/01/09/mobilizing-websites-with-responsive-design-and-html5-tutorial/
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- # [15:16] <mantas322> Hey guys Im going to ask a question maybe someone can expand on it
- # [15:17] <mantas322> if I cache an *.xml file and a *.js file using CACHE MANIFEST will doing something like this in the javascript work? " xmlhttp.open("GET","search.xml",false); "
- # [15:18] <mantas322> will the browser be able to tell that this search file is already cached and theres no reason to go to the server?
- # [15:18] <moo-_-> mantas322: it will fail on Android, but should work on the most of the browseres
- # [15:18] <mantas322> will caching the JS file cause potentially more issues (like with ajax calls, if the page makign the ajax calls is cached the calls will not work )
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- # [15:19] <mantas322> and how intuitive are browsers to this in the first place? can they decide whats already cached and whats not?
- # [15:19] <mantas322> Thanks moo-_-
- # [15:19] <moo-_-> mantas322: they should know its cached
- # [15:19] <moo-_-> use Firebug Network tab + WebKit equivalent to see it
- # [15:20] <mantas322> oh it caches them no problem
- # [15:20] <mantas322> i'm wonder more if they will work appropriatly across different devices and what not
- # [15:20] <mantas322> and where or not it can be made TRUELY offline
- # [15:20] <mantas322> whether or not*
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- # [15:22] <moo-_-> Android Browser has issues
- # [15:22] <mantas322> I noticed
- # [15:22] <moo-_-> on the other hand you should not try to run HTML5 app on Android Browser in the first place
- # [15:22] <moo-_-> because it is so shitty and buggy
- # [15:22] <moo-_-> and nothing will work in the end
- # [15:22] <mantas322> even without the cache manifest part
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- # [15:22] <mantas322> it seems like the android mobile browser has issue with javascript
- # [15:23] <moo-_-> it has issues with life
- # [15:23] <mantas322> I've had pages just dissappear
- # [15:23] <mantas322> lol
- # [15:23] <csmrfx> lols
- # [15:23] <moo-_-> it's should be terminated out of pitiful existence
- # [15:23] <Pomax> agree
- # [15:23] <mantas322> hey now, macboy take it easy I like my phone
- # [15:23] <csmrfx> moo-_-: only few dozen million of them out there
- # [15:23] <Pomax> android is fine. the android browser is a good example of not good enough
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- # [15:23] <moo-_-> csmrfx: We are lucky. With Android hardware dies in two years, unlike with IE.
- # [15:23] <csmrfx> I used opera in 'droid
- # [15:24] <csmrfx> It's pretty well documented as to what android browsers support and what not
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- # [15:24] <Pomax> yeah "we don't do the web, just an outdated version of it"
- # [15:24] <csmrfx> so if you're doing something android can't, blame yourself
- # [15:24] <moo-_-> csmrfx: well not exactly
- # [15:24] <Pomax> I'd rather blame an incompetent browser
- # [15:25] <csmrfx> browser compat has never been documented better in history 8)
- # [15:25] <Pomax> that still doesn't make it *good*
- # [15:25] <moo-_-> you have issues like this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9036415/android-webview-cannot-render-youtube-video-embedded-via-iframe/9046540#9046540
- # [15:25] <moo-_-> which do not have any meaningful pattern
- # [15:25] <Pomax> that just means it's shit, and it's been made explicit =)
- # [15:25] <csmrfx> moo-_-: just get your croosOrigin headers working ;)
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- # [15:26] <csmrfx> http://caniuse.com/usage_table.php
- # [15:26] <moo-_-> and this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6632140/android-pixel-quality-reduction-in-images-loaded-in-webview
- # [15:26] <csmrfx> boohoo.
- # [15:26] <csmrfx> cry me a river.
- # [15:27] <Pomax> are you an android browser dev?
- # [15:27] <Pomax> if not, why are you pretending bugs are not bugs? =)
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- # [15:27] <Pomax> if you are, why are you pretending bugs aren't bugs? =)
- # [15:28] <csmrfx> Pomax: I guess I dont care anymore! 8)
- # [15:28] <Pomax> you care enough to defend it ;)
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- # [15:28] <Pomax> I wonder how good dolphin is on android.
- # [15:28] <Pomax> not given that a try yet
- # [15:29] <moo-_-> Pomax: they are all equally shit
- # [15:29] <moo-_-> because they use the same webkit deployed on OS
- # [15:29] <moo-_-> only Firefox Mobile and Opera are good :)
- # [15:29] <Pomax> doesn't Opera mobile use Opera-server-rendering?
- # [15:29] <Pomax> I have no intention of telling Opera what I am looking at every second of every day
- # [15:30] <shwetank> Opera Mobile doesnt use server side rendering by default
- # [15:31] <shwetank> it has an option called 'opera turbo' which if turned on, routes traffic through opera's servers which does compression and gives it to you, which gives faster page loads in case of slow networks
- # [15:31] <Pomax> ah
- # [15:32] <shwetank> Opera Mini does the server side rendering, but Opera Mobile does not
- # [15:33] <Pomax> ahh, okay that makes more sense
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- # [15:50] <mantas322> test
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- # [15:51] <gogo_> how can i draw an array of images on canvas? is there a way to to this with drawImage?
- # [15:52] <gogo_> do*
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- # [15:56] <Armen_> a for-loop would do the trick, I imagine
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- # [16:03] <gogo_> Armen_: I have got 500 images so I did a loop and now i can now refer each image by array[1], array[2] etc. But how to draw this array? Sry I am learning html for first time.
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- # [16:06] <gogo_> Armen_: can you look at my code?
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- # [16:15] <mantas322> moo-_- are you the guy who makes http://www.mooforum.net ?
- # [16:15] <moo-_-> sorry, nope
- # [16:16] <mantas322> do you MAKE html5?
- # [16:16] <mantas322> I foudn this forum
- # [16:16] <mantas322> http://www.mooforum.net/solutions12/xml-request-local-xml-file-t3407.html
- # [16:16] <mantas322> since if I try to do this xmlhttp.open("GET","search.xml",false); witch a local xml file
- # [16:17] <mantas322> I get a Javascript : Error NETWORK_ERR XMLHTTPREQUEST EXCEPTION 101 : a network error occurred in synchronous requests
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- # [16:20] <mantas322> IS IT even possible to do this?
- # [16:21] <moo-_-> mantas322: which browser?
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- # [16:21] <csmrfx> mantas322: same origin policy applies to local filesystem per path
- # [16:22] <csmrfx> iow, no, not really possible
- # [16:22] <mantas322> not local file system, cached
- # [16:22] <csmrfx> what?
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- # [16:22] <mantas322> I cache an xml file using cache manifest
- # [16:22] <mantas322> now I want to GET it using javascript
- # [16:23] <miketaylr> no, that's not possible right now
- # [16:24] <csmrfx> no, you use it from js side
- # [16:24] <mantas322> how?
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- # [16:24] <mantas322> do u know of any examples?
- # [16:24] <csmrfx> window.applicationCache
- # [16:25] <mantas322> okay okay
- # [16:25] <csmrfx> google that with name of this channel
- # [16:25] <csmrfx> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#applicationcache
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- # [16:29] <mantas322_> ff CRASHED
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- # [16:30] <moo-_-> csmrfx: what mantas322 is trying to do is to access manifest cached resource using AJAX
- # [16:30] <moo-_-> manifest resources should be cache transparent
- # [16:30] <mantas322_> can u send me that link again please
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- # [16:30] <moo-_-> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#applicationcache there is nothing useful there
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- # [16:31] <mantas322_> not ajax
- # [16:31] <mantas322_> cant I do it with just regular js?
- # [16:31] <mantas322_> I refuse to accept that this cant be done
- # [16:31] <moo-_-> mantas322_: AJAX is the only way to read network resources in JS?
- # [16:31] <moo-_-> what you try to read?
- # [16:31] <mantas322_> simple xml file
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- # [16:31] <mantas322_> which I have cached
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- # [16:33] <mantas322_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5824549/cannot-access-manifest-cached-files-with-ajax-from-webapp-saved-to-home-screen-i
- # [16:34] <moo-_-> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9221136/xmlhttp-request-with-manifest-cache-files
- # [16:34] <moo-_-> should work with GET
- # [16:34] <moo-_-> hmm
- # [16:34] <mantas322_> it doesnt
- # [16:34] <mantas322_> xmlhttp.open("GET","search.xml",false);
- # [16:34] <mantas322_> is what I was doing originally
- # [16:35] <mantas322_> in offline mode you get a XMLHttpRequest Exception 101
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- # [16:35] <moo-_-> hmm
- # [16:35] <moo-_-> if there really is no way around it
- # [16:35] <moo-_-> you need to use navigator.onLine state to detect whether you are online
- # [16:35] <moo-_-> and store data in localStorage for further access
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- # [16:36] <moo-_-> which you then read in offline
- # [16:36] <mantas322_> I am doing that already
- # [16:36] <mantas322_> however I ran out of room
- # [16:36] <mantas322_> 2.5 mb is not enough
- # [16:36] <mantas322_> and even though I am, I shouldnt be using html5 localStorage this way in the first place :/
- # [16:37] <mantas322_> sicne it seesm to me its really ment for cookies
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- # [16:37] <mantas322_> and not some sort of webapp fully offline craziness
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- # [16:40] <moo-_-> mantas322_: what kind of data it is?
- # [16:40] <moo-_-> you can alternatively generate a .js file and load it in page <head>
- # [16:40] <mantas322_> <e><i>1234</i>
- # [16:40] <mantas322_> :O\
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- # [16:40] <mantas322_> that might be a great IDEA!
- # [16:41] <mantas322_> dude!
- # [16:41] <mantas322_> your a genius
- # [16:41] <mantas322_> first im goign to read up on this some more though before I go in that direction
- # [16:41] <mantas322_> but
- # [16:41] <moo-_-> that's the only other way of feeding data to HTML apps
- # [16:42] <moo-_-> convert it to .js source
- # [16:42] <moo-_-> it's sad
- # [16:42] <moo-_-> but the state of the things
- # [16:43] <moo-_-> gym time! ->
- # [16:43] <mantas322_> thanks alot moo-_-
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- # [16:54] <philihp> dear friends, i need to display a small graphic in a dashboard page which is rendered at runtime. should i do it in canvas or inline svg? what are the disadvantages of either?
- # [16:54] <philihp> i do not know how to do it in either so i'll be learning either way
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- # [16:55] <Octayn> Define 'rendered at runtime'. As in procedurally generated?
- # [16:55] <philihp> i have some data in a database and i need to display it graphically. i.e. it is not a static graphic
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- # [16:57] <Octayn> How complex is this small graphic? What will the contents be?
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- # [16:57] <philihp> about 300x300, the contents will be the state of a board game board, with tiles on top of tiles and tokens in various spots
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- # [16:58] <Octayn> With or without interaction?
- # [16:58] <philihp> without
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- # [16:59] <Octayn> If it were me, I'd use SVG because I could make the basics of the graphic in inkscape and then build them up programmatically using the DOM or Raphael.js or something, as opposed to making raster graphics and drawing them using the canvas
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- # [17:02] <philihp> thanks, i'll do it with that, then
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- # [18:00] <Silent> Hi :)
- # [18:01] <Silent> Guys, I'm trying to work with JS and a canvas, and draw 2 images on top of each other. Sometimes the second one fails to draw. Apparently both images load, but there's a delay before the image is drawn on the canvas.
- # [18:02] <Silent> Is there a way I can wait for the image to draw properly before I continue?
- # [18:06] <Jon47> Silent - is it possible that you need to wait for the image load event to fire before drawing it to the canvas?
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- # [18:07] <Silent> Yes I do.
- # [18:07] <Silent> Ooops lunch time
- # [18:07] <Silent> Sorry, brb
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- # [18:15] <srwsrwuk> Can I easily get HTML5 "required" attribute behaviour on INPUT type text when the submission is handled in Javascript? (currently onclick handler on the submit button). The javascript does the right thing, but I'd prefer the familiar "this field is required" from the browser to trap trivial things like empty fields because it is more familiar.
- # [18:17] <srwsrwuk> Next google finds the answer (well a discussion at least).
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- # [18:41] <srwsrwuk> Okay switch from "submit button"'s onclick to form onsubmit, and remember to add the "required" attribute when you test it(!)
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- # [19:12] <philihp> srwsrwuk, you could use requestAnimationFrame https://developer.mozilla.org/en/DOM/window.requestAnimationFrame to put a very tiny delay between rendering both images.
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- # [19:25] <jarek> what's the difference between "localStorage.removeItem('blah')" and "delete localStorage.blah"?
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- # [19:30] <Octayn> jarek: One of them uses a standard API, one of them is an implementation-specific thing
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- # [19:31] <Octayn> jarek: Does the second one even work?
- # [19:32] <jarek> Octayn: I tested it only on Chrome
- # [19:32] <Octayn> jarek: I'm not finding anything in the WebIDL spec that says that should work
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- # [19:32] <jarek> are you looking at http://dev.w3.org/html5/webstorage/?
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- # [19:33] <Octayn> Yes
- # [19:33] <Octayn> As well as http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebIDL/
- # [19:34] <jarek> so it's also non-standard to access properties like this:
- # [19:34] <jarek> localStorage.blah
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- # [19:34] <Octayn> It's impossible to stub the delete keyword on any browser that doesn't support localStorage if you ever want to use a shim
- # [19:34] <Octayn> Yes it is
- # [19:34] <jarek> instead of localStorage.getItem('blah')
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- # [19:36] <Octayn> Also impossible to stub in browsers without localStorage
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- # [19:38] <csmrfx> does that work with noSuchMethod?
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- # [19:38] <csmrfx> ala Rails methodMissing prop accs
- # [19:39] <Octayn> csmrfx: I was more thinking defining accessor properties
- # [19:39] <csmrfx> accessors yes
- # [19:40] <Octayn> noSuchMethod is a way of faking proxies, accessors are differen
- # [19:40] <Octayn> t
- # [19:40] <csmrfx> but what if your property is called getItem?
- # [19:40] <csmrfx> 8)
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- # [19:41] <Octayn> Well then you're screwed
- # [19:42] <csmrfx> delete is not non-standard btw
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- # [19:43] <Octayn> csmrfx: (see ##javascript)
- # [19:43] <csmrfx> it is ecmascript standard way to delete an object property
- # [19:43] <moo-_-> Octayn: yes
- # [19:43] <moo-_-> Octayn: I use store.js wrapper
- # [19:43] <moo-_-> benefit is that you can stick in any objects, not just strins
- # [19:43] <moo-_-> strings
- # [19:44] <moo-_-> ah sorry
- # [19:44] <moo-_-> mistead
- # [19:44] <moo-_-> misread above
- # [19:44] <csmrfx> Octayn: would be trivial to look for localStorage items when noSuchMethod catches
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- # [19:44] <Octayn> csmrfx: Sure. But that doesn't work on browsers that don't support localStorage
- # [19:44] <Octayn> Namely IE
- # [19:44] <csmrfx> moo-_-: you mean, you can stick in any serialized object as a string
- # [19:45] <csmrfx> *any object serialized as a string
- # [19:45] <csmrfx> whichever
- # [19:45] <moo-_-> yes. it uses json2 for older browsers
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- # [20:03] <jetienne> q. if i store image in localstorage, am i forced to store them in base64 ?
- # [20:04] <mantas322_> yes
- # [20:04] <mantas322_> thanks again moo-_-
- # [20:04] <mantas322_> your idea from ealier today was super legit
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- # [20:06] <mantas322> got disconnected AGAIN! >:|
- # [20:07] <csmrfx> jetienne: not if it's svg?
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- # [20:10] <jetienne> csmrfx: not sure i understand what you mean. in my case the source is a <img>
- # [20:10] <csmrfx> ok
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- # [21:45] <tw2113> not sure if a young Hugh Laurie...or paul_irish http://senorgif.memebase.com/2012/02/21/funny-gifs-yeah-you-are-totally-interesting/
- # [21:46] <Wilto> Or perhaps… BOTH!?
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- # [22:09] <xarxer> chee: Do they use some kind of redundancy system in case the server is down?
- # [22:09] <xarxer> I know one should use fallback fonts, but I just wondered..
- # [22:10] <chee> font-family: 'Droid Sans', sans-serif; is about the height of it
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- # [22:11] <xarxer> hehe, nah, me neither.. I was just curious :)
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