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- # [00:00] <BrianBlakely> So XP will go to IE8, Vista to IE9, and Win7 to IE10 (presumably)
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- # [00:01] <BrianBlakely> I care more about performance than feature support. Shimming and polyfilling most modern features is very possible, but that adds up to a performance cost.
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- # [00:02] <BrianBlakely> IE9 and 10 bring Chrome-like performance, and that is a big deal. Bad performance is a bigger deal-breaker than square corners.
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- # [00:03] <Octayn> heh, the only performance I got out of IE10 dev preview was "Crash every 10 minutes"
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- # [00:29] <chovy> anyone know of an html5 podcast?
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- # [00:49] <jamund> Anyone have opinions on how to get the best web fonts performance (perceived or real)? Current thought is base64 encoded WOFF only.
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- # [00:58] <chovy> jamund: use google font loader.
- # [00:58] <chovy> it won't change the performance, but it'll make it not as bad if you specify a default font to use until the font is loaded.
- # [00:59] <chovy> http://www.phpied.com/gzip-your-font-face-files/
- # [00:59] <chovy> http://www.stevesouders.com/blog/2009/10/13/font-face-and-performance/
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- # [01:00] <Octayn> the more people that use google's webfonts, the more likely it is that there will be a cache hit.
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- # [01:01] <jamund> newest browsers are getting pretty good at loading fonts i think. the loaders look interesting. (reading this about type kit http://daneden.me/2012/02/typekits-web-font-loader-is-awesome/)
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- # [01:08] <chovy> Octayn: you can load other besides what google offers.
- # [01:09] <Octayn> chovy: but then you lose the "Everybody has google's fonts in their cache" effect, no?
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- # [01:10] <chovy> yeah. but i wouldn't worry about it. You can still serve the font from a cdn.
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- # [01:10] <chovy> I wouldn't tell Design to use a google font.
- # [01:11] <chovy> anyone interested in starting an html5 podcast?
- # [01:11] <jamund> So we're using a CDN. I'll check out the font-loader. We're doing a test on our CDN tomorrow to compare load times. We have a lot of international users, so we have to test in various places.
- # [01:11] <Octayn> chovy: Hm, html5 podcast sounds like a cool idea
- # [01:11] <chovy> i couldn't find any that were dedicated to html6
- # [01:11] <jamund> I'll see if the loader is much better than just only supporting WOFF.
- # [01:11] <chovy> html5 i mean
- # [01:12] <jamund> I think I've seen some, but it depends on what you're looking for exactly (web casts)
- # [01:12] <chovy> jamund: google font load adds .wf-active to the html tag.
- # [01:12] <chovy> when the font is loaded.
- # [01:12] <chovy> So you can style it like h1 { font-family: sans-serif } .wf-active h1 { font-family: 'MyCustomFont' }
- # [01:12] <chovy> otherwise, you won't see any text untijl the font loads.
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- # [01:12] <chovy> at least in some browsers.
- # [01:14] <jamund> cool stuff! thanks.
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- # [01:27] <chovy> http://html5casts.com/
- # [01:27] <chovy> damn. some bozo is squatting on it.
- # [01:27] <Octayn> /screencasts/?
- # [01:27] <Octayn> One of the most useless things in existence?
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- # [01:55] <chovy> screencasts are good.
- # [01:56] <Octayn> disagree
- # [01:56] <Octayn> Maybe I've just never seen good ones
- # [01:56] <Octayn> which is more likely
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- # [02:07] <GreenRanger> Is it possible to create a "log tailing" application in HTML5/JavaScript, or do security restrictions make it impossible?
- # [02:08] <Octayn> GreenRanger: Define log tailing. Like tail(1)?
- # [02:08] <GreenRanger> like in linux: tail -f myfile.txt
- # [02:08] <Octayn> so yes
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- # [02:08] <Octayn> I don't think so
- # [02:08] <GreenRanger> where it reads the file as it's written to
- # [02:08] <Octayn> Let me check the spec real quick
- # [02:09] <GreenRanger> Using the FileSystem API it seems that a static log parser is possible, but I can't figure if there's a way to continuously tail the log.
- # [02:09] <Octayn> No, it isn't possible to tail a file like that.
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- # [02:10] <Octayn> a File object represents immutable data (it'd be kinda trippy to have something write to it)
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- # [02:10] <Octayn> Hm
- # [02:11] <GreenRanger> Darn that's what I figured.
- # [02:11] <Octayn> GreenRanger: You might be able to use an XHR and just fetch a file:// every few seconds
- # [02:11] <Octayn> Not ideal, but it works
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- # [02:49] <paul_irish> bot-t: tell uf0_work from fixed to canary is a matter of hours. from canary to stable is around 10 weeks, typically
- # [02:49] <bot-t> paul_irish, Okay.
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- # [03:50] <ryanseddon> paul_irish: yt?
- # [03:50] <paul_irish> actually yes
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- # [03:52] <ryanseddon> are you able to do a small favour for me, i need a small file pushed to the travis-ci branch and i don't have git access can you do it please
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- # [03:54] <ryanseddon> can you put this in test/js and call it server.js https://gist.github.com/c6c93503e7b184e627d6
- # [03:54] <ryanseddon> paul_irish: ^^^
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- # [03:57] <paul_irish> ryanseddon: k
- # [03:59] <paul_irish> https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/compare/ffd7f48...4cd353f
- # [03:59] <ryanseddon> woo! thanks!
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- # [04:06] <xp_prg> hi all I am confused by this syntax in head: <!--[if lt IE 9]>
- # [04:06] <xp_prg> its not in a javascript tag so what is it and how does the browser know what to do with it?
- # [04:06] <paul_irish> IE just added support for it
- # [04:06] <Octayn> xp_prg: It's an internet-explorer specific conditional comment
- # [04:06] <paul_irish> their parser treats it all specially
- # [04:06] <xp_prg> hmmm... ok
- # [04:07] <paul_irish> doesnt work in IE10 though. they stopped supporting CC's in IE10
- # [04:07] <chee> xp_prg: it's in html comment tags, so other browsers just ignore it
- # [04:07] <chee> xp_prg: while IE is all like 'brah i recognise you'
- # [04:07] <Octayn> paul_irish: I hope that ie10 is as good as they hype it with the standards support
- # [04:08] <xp_prg> should I use html5shiv?
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- # [04:11] <paul_irish> xp_prg: if you want to use html5 elements and have support in ie8
- # [04:11] <paul_irish> yes
- # [04:11] <paul_irish> Octayn: it'll be great
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- # [04:16] <xp_prg> can you recommend other includes for html5 and css3 support?
- # [04:17] <nimbu> xp_prg: html5please.us
- # [04:18] <Octayn> nimbu++, great site
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- # [04:23] <tw2113> alright, i heard that people were being awesome in here
- # [04:23] <tw2113> fess up!
- # [04:26] <xp_prg> numbu I am confused, that doesn't look like a script to include etc...
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- # [04:27] <nimbu> xp_prg: no it tells you what is available depending on what you want
- # [04:28] <xp_prg> but how does that relate to what scripts/css to include?
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- # [04:29] <nimbu> xp_prg: it links to scripts to use depending on what feature specifically you are looking for
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- # [04:32] <xp_prg> oh ok thanks
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- # [04:52] <xp_prg> nimbu I know that html5shiv is a mandatory script to include, do you any others that you would consider mandatory?
- # [04:52] <nimbu> who told you xp_prg
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- # [04:53] <xp_prg> a developer friend of mine
- # [04:53] <xp_prg> would you disagree with that statement?
- # [04:54] <nimbu> i would state you use modernizr rather than html5shiv
- # [04:54] <nimbu> also start with h5bp
- # [04:54] <nimbu> h5bp.com
- # [04:54] <nimbu> it has everything you need
- # [04:54] <nimbu> also xp_prg how much experience you have developing for the web?
- # [04:54] <xp_prg> kind of alot, but still new to html5
- # [04:55] <nimbu> 5 years? 6 years?
- # [04:55] <xp_prg> over 10 years
- # [04:56] <nimbu> oh k. so h5bp.com should be your place to start
- # [04:56] <nimbu> i recommend you read the source
- # [04:56] <nimbu> and we use modernizr as a base script to get going quickly with html5/css3
- # [04:56] <nimbu> you can read more about it on modernizr.com
- # [04:57] <xp_prg> oh ok
- # [04:57] <xp_prg> thanks!
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- # [04:57] <nimbu> also would help if you are good with JavaScript for the new apis (if you are intent on using them)
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- # [04:58] <xp_prg> yes I have done my share of jquery and javascript
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- # [05:44] <ryanseddon> yo paul_irish was their a bug filed for that ie mq issue?
- # [05:44] <ryanseddon> there*
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- # [05:55] <ryanseddon> oh looks like someone else recently filed a very similar one https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/issues/506
- # [05:55] <socialhapy> ★ Issue #506 on Modernizr, reported by ianperrettive (5d, 17h ago): Modernizr.mq breaks JavaScript in IE9
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- # [06:16] <ryanseddon> woot! I have git access at work, i tunnel the connection through https https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/commit/c9828ee23f983aec511400b1ea7dd611e18e3188
- # [06:16] <socialhapy> ★ Commit on Modernizr by ryanseddon (1m, 38s ago): Fixes #506 IE9 mq issue and failing test in IE6/7
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- # [07:35] <srj55> niftylettuce: ok, yeah its not bad... just found this: http://kolber.github.com/audiojs/
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- # [15:07] <Wiz_KeeD> hello guys
- # [15:07] <Wiz_KeeD> i have a question about number input fields
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- # [15:10] <Tetracomm> I guess you heard the news about Adobe dropping Flash support for Linux? Linux users will have to bank on HTML 5, I guess.
- # [15:10] <Tetracomm> :(
- # [15:11] <csmrfx> Tetracomm: afaik Adobe plans to drop Flash anyway.
- # [15:11] <csmrfx> Tetracomm: or have you heard otherwise?
- # [15:11] <Tetracomm> I didn't hear about that.
- # [15:12] <Tetracomm> What are the alternatives to Flash?
- # [15:12] <csmrfx> Well, there's this thing called HTML5.......
- # [15:12] <Wiz_KeeD> in html5, mobile devies have prepared for input type number a next button, is there a way to control the next element?
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- # [15:12] <Wiz_KeeD> or is it simply the next element in the dom?
- # [15:12] <csmrfx> Ever heard of the 'video' -element?
- # [15:12] <csmrfx> Check it out, it's kinda cool
- # [15:12] <darwin345> FYI: youtube allows HTML5 streaming now
- # [15:14] <csmrfx> Tetracomm: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-video-element
- # [15:15] <Marcosc> hi, I made the following proposal regarding DOM EventTarget to the W3C's Public Webapps WG… would be interested to hear what people think? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2012JanMar/0826.html
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- # [15:15] <Marcosc> It's about creating custom EventTargets
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- # [15:17] <Tetracomm> Cool, I opted into HTML5 for youtube.
- # [15:20] <Marcosc> I also started a petition to see if we can get ECMA to publish an authoritative version of ECMAScript 5 published in HTML: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/html-version-of-ecmascript-5-now/signatures . Would appreciate people's support.
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- # [15:22] <Wiz_KeeD> in html5, mobile devies have prepared for input type number a next button, is there a way to control the next element?
- # [15:22] <Wiz_KeeD> or is it simply the next element in the dom?
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- # [15:28] <Tetracomm> and it seems to be runner smoother than Flash.
- # [15:31] <Wiz_KeeD> nobody?
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- # [18:23] <Marcosc> csmrfx: yes, the problem is that it's not authoritative… ideally, the ECMAScript guys would edit that version and then publish a PDF from there
- # [18:23] <Marcosc> s/publish/publish an authoritative version/
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- # [18:25] <Marcosc> I've requested that WebIDL stop referencing PDF ECMAScript in favor of ecma 5 at github : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-script-coord/2012JanMar/0292.html
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- # [19:26] <chovy> howdy
- # [19:26] <paul_irish> fwiw we will likely be moving this channel to ##html5 in the future
- # [19:27] <paul_irish> freenode channel registration is a weird beast but in order to maintain the topic and such, we're going to need to move this to the double ## variant
- # [19:27] <paul_irish> no action required by anyone right now
- # [19:27] <paul_irish> just a heads up
- # [19:28] <chovy> i forget, why does freenode want people to use ## ?
- # [19:29] <paul_irish> its appropriate when you're gathering for a topic rather than a product you have ownership over
- # [19:29] <paul_irish> technically
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- # [19:31] <dilvie> oh.. so #bbg should really be ##bbg, #demoscene should be ##demoscene, and so on.
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- # [19:42] <paul_irish> hypothetically
- # [19:42] <paul_irish> its all kinda fluffy
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- # [19:45] <David_Bradbury> It's okay, the IRC2.0 spec will iron it out.
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- # [20:02] <WebDragon> `html section
- # [20:02] <WebDragon> ?html section
- # [20:02] <bot-t> WebDragon, section.html on Ticket #5661 Attachment jQuery Core - Bug ... - All necessary code to recreate bug http://bugs.jquery.com/attachment/ticket/5661/section.html
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- # [20:02] <WebDragon> whoops
- # [20:02] <WebDragon> what's the trigger for html5 markup lookup?
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- # [20:07] <chovy> WebDragon: huh?
- # [20:07] <chovy> !html
- # [20:07] <chovy> oh, for the bot
- # [20:07] <WebDragon> yeah
- # [20:08] <WebDragon> !html section
- # [20:08] <chovy> i don't know, paul_irish can you add the trigger for bots in the /topic ?
- # [20:08] <chovy> @html section
- # [20:08] <chovy> ?html section
- # [20:08] <bot-t> chovy, section.html on Ticket #5661 Attachment jQuery Core - Bug ... - All necessary code to recreate bug http://bugs.jquery.com/attachment/ticket/5661/section.html
- # [20:08] <chovy> there we go
- # [20:08] <WebDragon> wrong bot ;)
- # [20:08] <chovy> oh
- # [20:08] <chovy> heh
- # [20:08] <WebDragon> that's for jquery heh
- # [20:09] <chovy> what's the name of the bot in here?
- # [20:09] <WebDragon> that I don't recall
- # [20:10] <Acry> gth ms http://fwd4.me/0vBM
- # [20:11] <WebDragon> under normal circumstances one doesn't really pay attention to it unless it's a GumbyBRAIN or cobe spewing occasional accidental sage wisdom into the channel ;)
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- # [20:43] <chovy> anyone want to review my jquery plugin?
- # [20:43] <davidmurdoch> Any php/jquery guys or gals looking for 35+ hours of work / week? Or do you have and friends that might be interested?
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- # [20:44] <chovy> davidmurdoch: what's the gig?
- # [20:45] <davidmurdoch> Just a small web development company
- # [20:45] <davidmurdoch> So, its not a single gig.
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- # [20:46] <davidmurdoch> And it would be ongoing for as long as you want.
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- # [20:48] <giulivo> davidmurdoch, would be great but I'm not in the US :(
- # [20:48] <davidmurdoch> don't care
- # [20:48] <davidmurdoch> :-)
- # [20:49] <davidmurdoch> as long as you can kinda speak english, its okay
- # [20:49] <giulivo> uhmmm
- # [20:49] <chovy> i'm already employed fulltime.
- # [20:49] <davidmurdoch> chovy, well, that would be a problem. haha
- # [20:50] <davidmurdoch> giulivo: We already have a guy in India that does regular work for us. He's 11+ hours ahead and we never have issues
- # [20:51] <chovy> Ditto here too, if anyone in silicon valley area is looking for a job, let me know.
- # [20:51] <giulivo> so it's not even such a small company
- # [20:51] <sharustar> what kind of job chovy?
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- # [20:52] <chovy> front-end, php/jquery/css
- # [20:52] <chovy> html
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- # [20:52] <sharustar> nice
- # [20:52] <sharustar> davidmurdoch: are you a recruiter?
- # [20:53] <davidmurdoch> nope
- # [20:53] <sharustar> oh
- # [20:53] <davidmurdoch> well, I'm recruiting for my partner and I's own company
- # [20:53] <sharustar> oh i see
- # [20:53] <sharustar> you created a startup
- # [20:53] <sharustar> nice
- # [20:54] <sharustar> do you code to?
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- # [20:54] <davidmurdoch> yup: http://stackoverflow.com/users/160173/david-murdoch
- # [20:56] <sharustar> nice
- # [20:56] <sharustar> I was just reading this article about startups: http://eu.techcrunch.com/2012/02/23/the-trouble-with-non-tech-cofounders/
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- # [20:57] <jetienne_> lsusb screenshot are scary :)
- # [20:57] <davidmurdoch> sharustar, are you looking for a job or know someone who is?
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- # [20:58] <sharustar> I know alot of people who are...in differnt areas. I am a recruiter
- # [20:58] <davidmurdoch> oooohhhh
- # [20:59] <Ms2ger`> sharustar, are you going to charge davidmurdoch for this conversation? ;)
- # [21:00] <sharustar> haha
- # [21:00] <sharustar> only when I send him the first lead ;)
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- # [21:02] <sharustar> Ms2ger`: you know recruiters to well, ay?
- # [21:02] <Ms2ger`> I would say know humans :)
- # [21:02] <Ms2ger`> I know, even
- # [21:02] <sharustar> o_0
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- # [22:11] <aaairc> soundcloud.com
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- # [22:25] <jetienne_> chovy: #node.js may be a more suitable place to find some
- # [22:25] <chovy> jetienne_: yeah.
- # [22:25] <chovy> i'm just curious. I want to start a project, but looking for someone to do the backend.
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- # [22:29] <chee> chovy: i know a good book on node.js for front-end developers called 'Node.js for Front-End Developers'. it's the best i can offer you in place of a bottom for your pantomime horse
- # [22:30] <chovy> "a bottom for your pantomime horse" ?
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- # [22:31] <chovy> chee: thanks. it's only $6 on the kindle too.
- # [22:32] <chee> chovy: yes! a bottom for your pantomime horse. you're doing the front end and you want a back end!
- # [22:32] <chee> but maybe this way you can be the whole horse
- # [22:32] <chovy> yeah. i guess i don't know wtf a pantomine horse is.
- # [22:32] <chovy> heh
- # [22:33] <chee> o!
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- # [22:34] <chovy> i know i should really learn how to create the backend...but I'm lazy.
- # [22:34] <chovy> I like front-end.
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- # [22:34] <chovy> I'm thinking of creating a skills db application.
- # [22:34] <chovy> so you can register, and add skills to your profile. like css, html5, jquery.
- # [22:35] <chovy> then people can search on a particular skillset and find people, videos, tutorials, etc. for that skill.
- # [22:35] <krater> chovy :)
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- # [22:52] <chovy> MichaelBehan: styling of form elements?
- # [22:52] <chovy> wouldn't you just use css for that?
- # [22:53] <Jon47> i'm fairly certain every browser (that supports css) supports it to a certain extent...
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- # [22:53] <Jon47> but the details of exactly which properties are supported for each element... are surely quite a quagmire
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- # [22:53] <MichaelBehan> ++for using quagmire. I'm asking the dev
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- # [22:54] <MichaelBehan> So yes - it sounds like that is the question.
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- # [22:55] <MichaelBehan> So that would be a huge undertaking to determine what browser supports what properties for a given form element?
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- # [22:58] <Jon47> there's lot of stuff on the internet about styling form inputs in various browsers
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- # [23:54] <m0> Hello, how can we use BlobBuilder to add canvas image data?
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- # [23:55] <OzDave_imac> lol I read Bob the Builder. pfft.
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