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  1. # Session Start: Tue Mar 06 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
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  5. # [00:01] <_dc> Octayn: hmmm so you can encode an mp4 with webm or ogg?
  6. # [00:02] <Octayn> ogg is a container like mp4, so no
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  8. # [00:03] <Octayn> Unsure about webm or vorbis, never tried
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  10. # [00:04] <Octayn> Webm is a container too iirc
  11. # [00:04] <Octayn> I think vp8 is the codec?
  12. # [00:04] * Octayn googles
  13. # [00:04] <marcocarag> yes octayn
  14. # [00:04] <Octayn> Yep, webm is vp8 + vorbis
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  18. # [00:09] <_dc> gotcha...trying to wrap my head around video :)
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  21. # [00:10] <Octayn> With video formats, you have two things you need to keep track of: video, and audio.
  22. # [00:10] <Octayn> webm, ogg, mp4, etc are container formats that contain the video and audio, keep them in sync, etc.
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  90. # [02:13] <jaha> OK. what is the best convertor to go from MP4 to WebM (VP8)? on OSX Lion, Miro quality isnt good enough
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  96. # [02:19] <tw2113> so...who's going to end up ditching vendor prefixes whenever possible or not needed badly enough?
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  112. # [02:50] <niftylettuce> womp womp http://giftfork.com/
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  129. # [03:17] <chovy> tw2113: I usually don't use them now.
  130. # [03:18] <tw2113> i'm definitely working on skipping the low hanging non-necessary ones
  131. # [03:18] <chovy> i don't see what all the fuss is about w/ vendor prefixes. You either use them or you don't or you use some of them.
  132. # [03:18] <tw2113> but for stuff like animation etc, i still do
  133. # [03:19] <tw2113> the advanced bits
  134. # [03:19] <chovy> yeah. for bleeding edge stuff i use them. but for things like border-radius I do not.
  135. # [03:20] <chovy> it's stupid for other browsers to support -webkit just because that's all a lot of sites use.
  136. # [03:20] <tw2113> i could understand putting more focuso on the webkit versions if you're aiming for mobile stuff
  137. # [03:21] <tw2113> but put in the others for the desktop users
  138. # [03:21] <chovy> yeah
  139. # [03:21] <chovy> well i would say it depends on your target.
  140. # [03:21] <chovy> If you are only concerned about iPhones, then why bother with -moz
  141. # [03:21] <chovy> if you want to support -moz too, then add it when necessary.
  142. # [03:22] <tw2113> i think a lot of that issue was lazy devs
  143. # [03:22] <chovy> exactly.
  144. # [03:22] <chovy> or they had no reason to add -ms or -o or -moz
  145. # [03:23] <chovy> A lot of mobile web sites probably were built only with iPhone in mind a few years ago, when that's all there was.
  146. # [03:23] <tw2113> no reason for Mozilla/Opera/IE to support webkit prefixes though
  147. # [03:23] <chovy> Those people should update their code, rather than have browsers support their non-standard code.
  148. # [03:23] <tw2113> +1
  149. # [03:23] <tw2113> but at bare minimum...use the non-prefixed versions :D
  150. # [03:23] <tw2113> no matter what
  151. # [03:24] <chovy> exactly.
  152. # [03:24] <chovy> You can't expect the browser to correct poorly written code.
  153. # [03:24] <chovy> I suppose you *can*, but I don't think that's a good direction. That's what IE was good at, making any web page work, no matter how badly it was coded.
  154. # [03:25] <chovy> i don't like JS using vendor prefixes though.
  155. # [03:25] <chovy> I don't fully understand that.
  156. # [03:25] <chovy> MozWebSocket vs. WebSocket
  157. # [03:25] <tw2113> hadn't heard of that one
  158. # [03:26] <tw2113> at least not well
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  161. # [03:28] <chovy> i guess it is the same idea.
  162. # [03:28] <chovy> params could be different depending on browser.
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  224. # [05:32] <xp_prg2> http://jsfiddle.net/xe29g/
  225. # [05:32] <xp_prg2> why isn't the little border that a legend shows showing?
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  248. # [06:20] <smplstk> ?addclass
  249. # [06:20] <bot-t> .addClass(className): Adds the specified class(es) to each of the set of matched elements. http://api.jquery.com/addClass/
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  252. # [06:22] <smplstk> ?addclass
  253. # [06:22] <caniuse> smplstk: .addClass(): Adds the specified class(es) to each of the set of matched elements. http://api.jquery.com/addClass/
  254. # [06:22] <bot-t> .addClass(className): Adds the specified class(es) to each of the set of matched elements. http://api.jquery.com/addClass/
  255. # [06:22] <smplstk> :|
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  257. # [06:26] <Octayn> smplstk: hm?
  258. # [06:27] <smplstk> Octayn: hmm hmm
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  263. # [06:31] <smplstk> ?addclass
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  265. # [06:31] <smplstk> ...
  266. # [06:32] <smplstk> ?css
  267. # [06:32] <smplstk> >:|
  268. # [06:32] <smplstk> bot-t, Y U SO SLOW
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  271. # [06:34] <smplstk> canise canvas json sockets
  272. # [06:34] <smplstk> caniuse canvas json sockets
  273. # [06:34] <caniuse> smplstk: You can use Canvas (basic support), JSON parsing, and Web Sockets with Firefox 6, and Chrome 14. http://caniuse.com/#search=canvas http://caniuse.com/#search=json http://caniuse.com/#search=websockets
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  275. # [06:34] <Octayn> smplstk: is that a conjuction?
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  278. # [06:35] <Octayn> As in, you can use all of those at that browser version
  279. # [06:35] <smplstk> yeah
  280. # [06:35] <Octayn> neat
  281. # [06:35] <smplstk> it combines technologies
  282. # [06:35] <smplstk> and gives you the narrowed down list (or at least, it's supposed to)
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  295. # [06:52] <JonathanNeal> hi
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  319. # [07:05] <smplstk> ?get
  320. # [07:05] <bot-t> .get([index]): Retrieve the DOM elements matched by the jQuery object. http://api.jquery.com/get/
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  395. # [08:53] <caniuse> smplstk: jQuery.getJSON(): Load JSON-encoded data from the server using a GET HTTP request. http://api.jquery.com/jQuery.getJSON/
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  484. # [11:23] <Skullcrasher> hi
  485. # [11:24] <Skullcrasher> is it possible to "forward" a webstream with the html5 audio player?
  486. # [11:25] <Skullcrasher> i have a webserve that also streams an audio stream and I would like to also play this via a web-player on my website
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  506. # [11:59] <dpy> hi guys
  507. # [12:00] <dpy> does anyone know if there is any way to get to the cookies of a document returned by an XHR?
  508. # [12:00] <dpy> It is a CORS GET request.
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  541. # [12:56] <simenbrekken> In a delegated CSS selector, how do I target the current node? I've refactored '.sort:not(.open) ul' to ':not(.open) ul' but I can't get it to target the current context
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  563. # [13:15] <jarek> simenbrekken: I have never heard of "delegated CSS selector", what do you mean by that?
  564. # [13:16] <simenbrekken> jarek: my context is the .sort node, as in $(.'sort').on('click', ':not(.open) ul', console.log);
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  567. # [13:18] <jarek> simenbrekken: I see... jQuery spaghetti code :/
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  570. # [13:19] <jarek> var element = document.querySelector('.sort');
  571. # [13:19] <jarek> element.addEventListener('click', function() {
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  576. # [13:20] <jarek> if (element.classList.contains('.open') == false) {
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  578. # [13:21] <simenbrekken> I'm fully aware that I can check if the class is set in the handler the question was if I could listen for a :not()
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  607. # [13:34] <freakabcd> hi all
  608. # [13:34] <freakabcd> does html support nested comments?
  609. # [13:34] <freakabcd> i.e. <!-- blah blah <!-- foo --> bar --> ?
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  611. # [13:36] <andrewjbaker> Not possible, AFAIK.
  612. # [13:36] <freakabcd> yup, just checked the standard
  613. # [13:36] <freakabcd> thansk
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  617. # [13:38] <nFFF> Why would you ever need nested comments? :<
  618. # [13:39] <freakabcd> when performing upgrades/maintenance on rodoculously old code :)
  619. # [13:40] <nFFF> Lol theres a billion other ways to annotate it :D
  620. # [13:40] <freakabcd> well, simplest would be to block comment a lot of existing code and check if my newer equivalent code works as expected
  621. # [13:41] <freakabcd> i'm working on parts of the code at a time. not all of it at once.
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  628. # [13:47] <yogurt_truck> freakabcd: a smart editor would probably do the right thing
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  630. # [13:48] <freakabcd> may i ask the names of some of these smart & mouse friendly editors on linux?
  631. # [13:49] <freakabcd> i use vim. but i don;t want to know all the various html specific cmds/shortcuts
  632. # [13:50] <Jon47> why would a nested comment not work, i'm pretty sure a comment inside a comment is just a string that's not shown, so it can be anything, including another comment..
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  634. # [13:51] <freakabcd> Jon47, because the --> within the first internet comment will close the first opening comment!
  635. # [13:51] <Jon47> ah i see
  636. # [13:51] <freakabcd> i.e. <!-- blah blah <!-- foo -->(first comment is closed here!) bar --> ?
  637. # [13:51] <freakabcd> and the bar --> is spurious
  638. # [13:51] <Jon47> gotcha
  639. # [13:52] <Jon47> instead of block commenting why can't you just delete it
  640. # [13:52] <Jon47> vim's got a nice undo buffer
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  642. # [13:53] <freakabcd> nah, i don;t want to delete specifically because i'm reimplementing the same functionality
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  698. # [15:10] <pandeiro> anyone know how i can use scrollTo to hide the url bar in Android w/o using vertical padding? scrollTo(0, 1) doesn't seem to work if the total height of the elements is less than the viewport
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  758. # [16:35] <moo-_-> can I find a list of all HTML5 attributes, no matter which element
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  765. # [16:41] <kevindougans> right thats it i'm upgrading my boiler plate
  766. # [16:41] <andrewjbaker> ^^
  767. # [16:41] <kevindougans> started dev of this site in november
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  769. # [16:41] <kevindougans> and could do with a cleanup before push for live
  770. # [16:42] <kevindougans> and hopefully it'll fix some weird problems i'm having
  771. # [16:42] <kevindougans> probably not
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  773. # [16:42] <kevindougans> but hopefully
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  812. # [17:22] <kevindougans> well upgrading my html boilerplate and doing a cleanup along the way has worked AMAZING wonders
  813. # [17:22] <kevindougans> result!
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  847. # [17:57] <mokush> anybody upgraded to sencha touch 2.0?
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  854. # [18:02] <David_Bradbury> paul_irish: Just read your vendor prefixes post - Something I was curious about - As part of the HTML5 parser, you can leave off tags (such as the end of a list tag, or the body tag) most of the time and it works great. Would another possible solution be changing the CSS3 parser to add it's own vendor prefix to "experimental" properties?
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  856. # [18:03] <David_Bradbury> For example, Chrome sees flexbox and goes "Hey, I know that - let me slap a -webkit- in front of you and we can get you to work"
  857. # [18:04] <divya> but syntaxes for these properties change all the time too
  858. # [18:04] <divya> its not just the properties.
  859. # [18:05] <David_Bradbury> I understand that. Generally, the groupings stay the same (from what I can tell) though. For example: box-shadow: [x, y, blur] - That chunk would likely never change
  860. # [18:08] <David_Bradbury> Also, I think syntax should be standardized (if possible) - At least general rules | Coordinates first (x, y) - Size - Style - Color - URL, etc...
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  865. # [18:09] <divya> box-shadow is anyway unprefixed.
  866. # [18:09] <David_Bradbury> That way, if the syntax changes, the browser still has a good idea of what everything is
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  868. # [18:09] <divya> but gradient syntax has changed several times
  869. # [18:09] <David_Bradbury> I am using it as an example because it has gone through that process and is no longer unprefixed
  870. # [18:09] <divya> flexbox also I think because it used left/right but now it is beginning/end.
  871. # [18:09] <divya> right.
  872. # [18:10] <divya> border-image as well.
  873. # [18:10] <David_Bradbury> That would still break even if you have vendor prefixes though
  874. # [18:10] <divya> but not if you support the old syntax.
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  881. # [18:11] <David_Bradbury> If I had the old syntax, it should still understand it - Slapping on -webkit- or whatever shouldn't fix that
  882. # [18:12] <divya> what if you have unprefixed old syntax :)
  883. # [18:12] <divya> because thats what has been the recommended option for years
  884. # [18:12] <David_Bradbury> The parser should add the prefix?
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  887. # [18:13] <David_Bradbury> Basically, try its best to interpret the unprefixed version, and if it cannot, the drop it and say "sorry buddy"
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  890. # [18:13] <divya> yeah but thats the problem with opera/ms/ff
  891. # [18:13] <divya> because they implement the stable prefixed syntax
  892. # [18:14] <divya> so if they come across the old old gradient syntax unprefixed
  893. # [18:14] <divya> they will still fail.
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  895. # [18:14] <David_Bradbury> Sounds like they need to work on that :p
  896. # [18:14] <divya> so you are saying every browser needs to implement every iteration of an experimental property?
  897. # [18:15] <David_Bradbury> Naw, I'm saying that we need to standardize syntax so that browsers can better and more consistently guess what each property will be
  898. # [18:15] <divya> yeah that is almost impossible to do with the process as it is now.
  899. # [18:16] <David_Bradbury> I know :( But I can pipe dream, can't I? :D
  900. # [18:16] <divya> experimental features should never get out in the wild till syntax is stable, but there is no way to ensure that.
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  902. # [18:16] <David_Bradbury> Also, I'd say that if the syntax is old and they decide not to prefix
  903. # [18:16] <David_Bradbury> Just have the browser drop it
  904. # [18:17] <divya> thats what everyone does now, and it still hurts.
  905. # [18:17] <divya> i mean it doesnt solve the problem of webkit-only development a lot of devs seem to suffer from.
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  907. # [18:17] <David_Bradbury> That one kills me a little on the inside
  908. # [18:19] <David_Bradbury> I guess what I mean to suggest is that if a browser knows that it supports, say, flexbox, and I have an unprefixed version that matches their syntax - It shouldn't ignore it
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  941. # [18:57] <grantg> http://i.imgur.com/3vzv9.png
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  969. # [19:24] <xarxer> Hi.. I want to store a path to another image inside an <img/> tag, is ther any attribute I could use so that the document will pass validation?
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  971. # [19:24] <yogig> You could use a data attribute.
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  973. # [19:24] <yogig> data-alternate-image="PATH"
  974. # [19:25] <xarxer> yogig: And that will pass validation?
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  976. # [19:25] <yogurt_truck> grantg: t.co is my favorite!
  977. # [19:26] <yogig> xarxer: Should pass HTML5 validation. : )
  978. # [19:26] <grantg> lol
  979. # [19:26] <yogig> http://ejohn.org/blog/html-5-data-attributes/
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  982. # [19:27] <xarxer> yogig: Ah yes, excellent.. Thank you :)
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  984. # [19:27] <yogig> No problem.
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  1074. # [21:03] <pandeiro> what's the css attribute i need to nullify to keep a canvas element from becoming an ugly orange square on click events on android-webkit?
  1075. # [21:03] <obert-> outline: none; ?
  1076. # [21:03] <obert-> oh android, dunno
  1077. # [21:03] <pandeiro> obert-: that is... incorrect
  1078. # [21:03] <pandeiro> it's -webkit-tap-highlight-color
  1079. # [21:03] <pandeiro> DUH!!!
  1080. # [21:03] <Marcosc> heh
  1081. # [21:03] <obert-> mah :) no idea
  1082. # [21:04] <pandeiro> so logical, come on
  1083. # [21:04] <obert-> -webkit == android?
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  1085. # [21:04] <Marcosc> it's the -tap that gives it away
  1086. # [21:04] <pandeiro> debugging this stuff is impossible so either google gives it to you, irc gives it to you, or you smash something and move on
  1087. # [21:04] <David_Bradbury> Android's browser uses the webkit rendering engine
  1088. # [21:05] <David_Bradbury> *simplifying*
  1089. # [21:05] <obert-> luckily i do no have android :p
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  1091. # [21:07] <pandeiro> the chromium inspector helps but you have to know what you're looking for and there are only about 600 vendor specific tags to test out
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  1121. # [21:49] <xp_prg> hi all, I want to apply a css property to two id's I don't know how to do that, let says I have two divs with id='div1', id='div2' does this work? #div1, div2 { width:600px;} ?
  1122. # [21:51] <xp_prg> ok figured it out :>
  1123. # [21:51] <xp_prg> oh darn didn't figure it out
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  1125. # [21:52] <Octayn> #div1, #div2 { ... }, no?
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  1127. # [21:53] <xp_prg> I am trying this #div1 ol li, #div2 ol li {
  1128. # [21:53] <xp_prg> it is not working though :(
  1129. # [21:53] <xp_prg> oh wait you are right!
  1130. # [21:53] <xp_prg> it works, thanks!
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  1132. # [21:53] <xp_prg> I heart you
  1133. # [21:54] <Octayn> that sounds painful!
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  1137. # [21:58] <tertl3> hello
  1138. # [21:58] <tertl3> I just saw w3fools.com
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  1156. # [22:21] <xp_prg> I have two divs both with float left inside of another div, I want the two divs inside of the parent div to be centered inside of the parent div
  1157. # [22:21] <xp_prg> I try #parent_div { margin: auto; } but that doesn't center the two child divs
  1158. # [22:21] <xp_prg> any ideas?
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  1162. # [22:32] <Jon47> xp_prg if they are floated left, they won't be able to be aligned horizontally
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  1171. # [22:46] <marcocarag> xp_prg: #parent_div needs an exact width in order to center via margin: auto; see here: http://bluerobot.com/web/css/center1.html
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