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  2. # Session Ident: #html5
  3. # [00:00] <matijam> C/C++ is good if you REALLY need good performance.
  4. # [00:00] * theresaanna is now known as theresa_away
  5. # [00:00] <matijam> As far as I'm concerned.
  6. # [00:00] <Octayn> Or if you just need to prod at the lower levels
  7. # [00:00] <Octayn> Although asm is better by far for that
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  10. # [00:03] <matijam> See ya guys.
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  273. # [07:04] <Octayn> smplstk: ping
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  278. # [07:07] <grantg> paul_irish: Fullscreen api issue
  279. # [07:08] <grantg> using escape key to trigger entrance is busted in firefox/chrome
  280. # [07:08] <grantg> :/
  281. # [07:08] <grantg> I get the flicker in chrome & firefox. lol
  282. # [07:08] <grantg> As I implemented it for http://gamecenter.grantgalitz.org/
  283. # [07:08] <grantg> as per github issue req
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  287. # [07:09] <eboy> Octayn: ping
  288. # [07:09] <Octayn> caniuse: json websockets
  289. # [07:10] <Octayn> caniuse json websockets
  290. # [07:10] <caniuse> Octayn: You can use JSON parsing, and Web Sockets with Firefox 6, and Chrome 14. http://caniuse.com/#search=json http://caniuse.com/#search=websockets
  291. # [07:10] <Octayn> There it is
  292. # [07:10] <smplstk> caniuse sockets
  293. # [07:10] <caniuse> smplstk: You can use Web Sockets with Firefox 6, and Chrome 14. http://caniuse.com/#search=websockets
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  295. # [07:10] <smplstk> caniuse socks
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  297. # [07:10] <eboy> Octayn: Awesome.
  298. # [07:10] <smplstk> I guess it's barefoot for me, again
  299. # [07:11] <Octayn> eboy: Agree! smplstk is the author
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  301. # [07:11] <smplstk> caniuse can do other junk too
  302. # [07:11] <Octayn> smplstk: is source available at all? what's she written in?
  303. # [07:11] <smplstk> eval 2+2
  304. # [07:11] <caniuse> smplstk: 4
  305. # [07:12] <smplstk> eval 2 * Math.random()*20
  306. # [07:12] <caniuse> smplstk: 23.755959356203675
  307. # [07:12] <smplstk> Octayn: https://github.com/gf3/protobot
  308. # [07:13] <smplstk> and the actual caniuse api: https://github.com/gf3/protobot/blob/master/protobot.js#L449
  309. # [07:13] <Octayn> Are you gf3, or did you add it in, or what?
  310. # [07:13] <smplstk> no, gf3 is gf3, heh
  311. # [07:14] <Octayn> just checking ;). I know the guy
  312. # [07:14] <Octayn> (added a few things to irc-js)
  313. # [07:14] <smplstk> I'm just one of the commiters on protobot
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  745. # [18:41] <Pomax> alright, audio question time. What lets me use <audio> elements in Safari without making it go "you don't have Quicktime installed, I have no idea what audio.play() means"
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  749. # [18:44] <gcpantazis> Pomax: You sure the codec is right? I just used audio.play() on an <audio> element in a mobile safari project.
  750. # [18:44] <gcpantazis> Not sure about desktop though, I could check.
  751. # [18:45] <Pomax> desktop install without quicktime does not support media elements =(
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  753. # [18:46] <Pomax> it doesn't ask the system for codecs, it apparently requires the quicktime that is bundled with it
  754. # [18:46] <gcpantazis> Ah, yup.
  755. # [18:46] <gcpantazis> So I guess the answer is... install quicktime?
  756. # [18:46] <gcpantazis> : )
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  758. # [18:47] <Pomax> that would make the answer "force people to install quicktime", too. not exactly the best answer, sadly
  759. # [18:47] <Pomax> maybe there's a .js shim somewhere
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  762. # [18:48] <ard_> if someone uses safari, he probably has quicktime installed anyway
  763. # [18:48] <gcpantazis> Yeah but that'd just be windows. Are there stats for usage of windows/safari?
  764. # [18:48] <gcpantazis> OSX safari users should have it by default, like ard said.
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  766. # [18:51] <gcpantazis> Stats I see are old, but seem to suggest it's fairly stable at < 0.5%
  767. # [18:51] <Pomax> welcome to government funding
  768. # [18:51] <Pomax> "it has to work on all browsers in all OSses. If it requires plugins, you may not get this money"
  769. # [18:51] <Pomax> convincing them it'll only work for HTML5-compliant browsers is one thing, but convincing them that people on windows using safari (never mind those hardly exist) need to install quicktime just doesn't sit well
  770. # [18:52] <Pomax> looking at whether there's some way to make it work without having to hardline that issue
  771. # [18:52] <csmrfx> enter, flash player fallback
  772. # [18:52] <Pomax> guess what flash counts as
  773. # [18:52] <Pomax> oh, they have heard of the ipad at the government level. flash? that's a plugin, what's your fallback for when someone doesn't have flash installed"
  774. # [18:52] <csmrfx> just make it work
  775. # [18:53] <csmrfx> you can have the browser download the audio for people who dont have support for <audio> or flash
  776. # [18:53] <Pomax> that's why I'm asking. I'd love to, but can I, or is this just one of those Safari things and nothing you do will make it play audio on windows without quicktime
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  778. # [18:53] <Pomax> that's already a requirement
  779. # [18:53] <Pomax> links to audio files must be provided.
  780. # [18:54] <gcpantazis> Yeah, Apples docs explicitly say that Safari requires quicktime for <audio> and <video>
  781. # [18:54] <gcpantazis> So, what can you do.
  782. # [18:54] <Pomax> if that's the official line, that should work as argument.
  783. # [18:54] <Pomax> don't suppose you happen to have a link to that?
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  785. # [18:55] <gcpantazis> https://developer.apple.com/library/safari/#documentation/AudioVideo/Conceptual/Using_HTML5_Audio_Video/AudioandVideoTagBasics/AudioandVideoTagBasics.html
  786. # [18:55] <gcpantazis> search for quicktime
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  788. # [18:55] <Pomax> nice, thank you.
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  790. # [18:56] <gcpantazis> np
  791. # [18:57] <Pomax> hmm
  792. # [18:57] <Pomax> even in safari with quicktime, audio.play() generates ""'undefined' is not a function (evaluating 'audio.play()')""
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  799. # [19:04] <iNable> hi
  800. # [19:04] <andrewjbaker> Hi.
  801. # [19:05] <gcpantazis> @Pomax that sounds like the error it throws when quicktime isn't installed, but not 100%
  802. # [19:06] <iNable> might not be the right channel... but I'm using the html5-boilerplate ... and i'm currently reading through the docs but having problems to get my rewriterules right...
  803. # [19:07] <divya> iNable: have you asked in stackoverflow or seen if similar issues are raised there for rewrite rules?
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  806. # [19:07] <iNable> yeah ther're like 1000 threads about it
  807. # [19:08] <iNable> but i'm simly trying to make example.com/file.php/.html to example.com/file/
  808. # [19:08] <iNable> It's so damn basic but i'm failing
  809. # [19:09] <divya> hmm the .htaccess has documentation on how to enable this for apache.
  810. # [19:09] <divya> (creating imaginary folders within rewrite rules)
  811. # [19:10] <divya> https://github.com/h5bp/html5-boilerplate/blob/master/.htaccess#L414
  812. # [19:11] <iNable> omg.
  813. # [19:11] <iNable> will try that. thanks!
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  864. # [20:13] <JonathanNeal> hi
  865. # [20:14] <poohnuggets> hi
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  871. # [20:16] <David_Bradbury> hi
  872. # [20:18] <rossdm> <hi />
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  880. # [20:29] <JonathanNeal> Thank you.
  881. # [20:29] <JonathanNeal> What's new?
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  885. # [20:32] <danielfilho> holla Jon :)
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  890. # [20:35] <JonathanNeal> holla danielfilho
  891. # [20:35] <JonathanNeal> What's new?
  892. # [20:36] <danielfilho> oh, been playing to learn drag&drop things… did a color grabber :)
  893. # [20:36] <danielfilho> besides it, nothing new
  894. # [20:36] <danielfilho> need to enhance the UI and make some better things. danielfilho.github.com/color-grep/
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  896. # [20:42] <JonathanNeal> That's a pretty looking thing :)
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  899. # [20:45] <JonathanNeal> Except ... how do I use it?
  900. # [20:47] <danielfilho> thats the point
  901. # [20:47] <danielfilho> just drop an image on the page
  902. # [20:47] <danielfilho> than click
  903. # [20:47] <danielfilho> it's just like a working prototype :)
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  905. # [20:49] <ryan_tait> thats pretty neat
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  908. # [20:50] <JonathanNeal> oh, i didn't know to drag and drop something.
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  912. # [20:52] <danielfilho> yeah. it's boring to open images every time on the photoshop to capture a color, and I don't like browser's extensions that much. So I did it. Personal use and study stuff :)
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  943. # [21:32] <JonathanNeal> danielfilho: i need to crop an image and export a new one. is there something like that out there?
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  945. # [21:36] <skylamer`> JonathanNeal, pixastic, glfxjs look on theeze
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  972. # [22:21] <xp_prg2> do people here use this ie-css3 from http://fetchak.com/ie-css3/?
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  974. # [22:21] <Octayn> I use csspie
  975. # [22:22] <Octayn> http://css3pie.com/
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  977. # [22:23] <xp_prg2> Octayn why do you use pie instead of ie_css3?
  978. # [22:24] <Octayn> xp_prg2: I found pie first, and it's worked well enough and covers enough things that I haven't felt the need to look elsewhere.
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  1003. # [22:47] <xp_prg2> Octayn have you used pie to make a gradient inside of a table header?
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  1008. # [22:52] <xp_prg2> I don't understand what this is saying: http://html5please.com/
  1009. # [22:52] <xp_prg2> what is prefixes, polyfill, fallback?
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  1012. # [22:53] <xp_prg2> I am so confused about ie support and the best way to do it
  1013. # [22:54] <xp_prg2> I guess it is just trial and error, do I use ie-css3 or pie or jquery?
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  1017. # [22:59] <David_Bradbury> xp_prg2: It sounds like you need to get a basic understanding of html and css before worrying about that stuff. Prefixes are used for targeting certain browsers for different methods and attributes. Polyfills provide a method of providing support for a feature in a browser that normally isn't included. Fallbacks are there in case the feature isn't supported and there isn't a polyfill so it...
  1018. # [22:59] <David_Bradbury> ...degrades gracefully
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  1020. # [23:02] <JonathanNeal> So, adaptive design is popular, eh?
  1021. # [23:02] <JonathanNeal> Does that mean http://rezitech.github.com/syze/ will get some attention?
  1022. # [23:02] <JonathanNeal> I still think it's better than @media queries.
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  1029. # [23:08] <xp_prg2> can you pretty please show me an example of a prefix, polyfill, and fallback?
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  1032. # [23:10] <Octayn> -moz-text-shadow: 0 0 1px black;
  1033. # [23:10] <Octayn> That is a prefix.
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  1037. # [23:11] <Octayn> A polyfill (or shim) is something like jDataView, it adds functionality to browsers that don't have it.
  1038. # [23:12] <Octayn> Fallbacks are like if you set a background-color as well as linear-gradients in a background-image
  1039. # [23:12] <Octayn> If the browser doesn't support linear-gradient, you get the solid color
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  1042. # [23:15] <JonathanNeal> background-image: #FFF; background-image: linear-gradient(#FFF, #EEE); <- a fallback, when the browser does not support linear-gradient it ignores it and falls back on #FFF.
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  1044. # [23:16] <JonathanNeal> <video src="movie.mp4"><object something-in-flash-to-play-the-movie></object></video> <- a fallback, when the browser does not support <video>, the fallback is that it renders the element inside video (just like it would if <video> were <div>), which is flash that can play the video.
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  1046. # [23:16] <JonathanNeal> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_Shiv <- another example of a polyfill.
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  1060. # [23:35] <xp_prg2> is there a place to find the standard ways to do polyfills and detection and fallbacks in html5 with css3 etc... ?
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  1063. # [23:40] <David_Bradbury> xp_prg2: I've mentioned it before, but it seems like you're trying to jump into the deep end before learning how to swim in the shallow end
  1064. # [23:41] <danielfilho> JonathanNeal: sorry I was out. There are a few online tools to manipulate images, like picnik
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  1067. # [23:42] <xp_prg2> David_Bradbury you mentioned a website that describes all of these polyfill, prefix, and fallback approaches?
  1068. # [23:42] <xp_prg2> I am using jquery, htmlshiv, html5, and css3 currently, how much more of the deep end could I be without modernizer?
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  1074. # [23:45] <danielfilho> JonathanNeal: now I have some "pointer" showing where to drop the image. But I'll make an area explaining everything soon :)
  1075. # [23:45] <danielfilho> http://danielfilho.github.com/color-grep/
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