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  64. # [00:32] <glook> I would like to redisplay a poster at the end of an html 5 video
  65. # [00:32] <glook> I have set the currentTime to 0 and cleared the src, to no avail.
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  68. # [00:33] <glook> Is there a way to redisplay the poster after the video has been played?
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  122. # [02:11] <daleharvey> paul_irish: apparently there is some indexeddb viewer around chrome, any change you know how to get it?
  123. # [02:12] <daleharvey> been trying around chrome:flags for a while, not seeing anything
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  128. # [02:35] <ryanseddon> daleharvey: should be in the dev tools resource bit in canary
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  130. # [02:43] <daleharvey> woot got it, cheers
  131. # [02:43] <daleharvey> needs enabled in the settings
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  138. # [02:57] <Appache82> yo
  139. # [02:57] <Appache82> how is everyone?
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  175. # [03:47] <poincare101> Hi everyone. I am writing an HTML5 Canvas game engine: https://github.com/Poincare/Hydroxide Could you guys give me some feedback?
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  178. # [03:51] <aaairc> what do you set the href to in an a tag to have it point to the current page
  179. # [03:51] <aaairc> ?
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  181. # [03:52] <boogyman> aaairc: an empty href will automatically be assigned the current url
  182. # [03:53] <aaairc> k i'll try that
  183. # [03:53] <aaairc> great thanks!
  184. # [03:53] <aaairc> woroked
  185. # [03:53] <aaairc> worked
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  234. # [05:42] <jetienne> q. im playing with webaudio aPI, any fast way to update a AudioBuffer ? the fastest i know is copying all elements in a for() loop.... not too cool. i would like something like memcopy or even pushiing my own arraybuffer if possible.
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  248. # [06:15] <moo-_-> jetienne: some time ago we cooked a patch for Gecko to fast array copies, I think it is included in FF11, though this might not make you happy
  249. # [06:15] <dr0id> you work for FF ?
  250. # [06:16] <jetienne> moo-_-: good idea to have a fast array copy... but yeah a fast copy in gecko wont help much on a webkit webaudio api :)
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  252. # [06:16] <moo-_-> dr0id: no
  253. # [06:16] <moo-_-> dr0id: just a patch
  254. # [06:16] <moo-_-> contributing
  255. # [06:16] <moo-_-> chipping in
  256. # [06:16] <moo-_-> and so on :)
  257. # [06:17] <moo-_-> jetienne: btw it is either very early or very late for you :)
  258. # [06:17] <dr0id> kewl
  259. # [06:17] <jetienne> moo-_-: it is "cant sleep time" :) so i do bug triages. almost an habit now
  260. # [06:17] <moo-_-> jetienne: man, you are even more messed up than I am :)
  261. # [06:18] <jetienne> ;)
  262. # [06:19] <JonathanNeal> gu
  263. # [06:19] <JonathanNeal> hi
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  267. # [06:20] <JonathanNeal> jo hiud!
  268. # [06:20] <JonathanNeal> hi guys!
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  385. # [10:21] <nemrod> Hello. I have an issue when animating on a canvas. I get a 'NOT_SUPPORTED_ERR: DOM Exception 9' when using a radial gradient in a method (it worked when it was in a regular function). It works if I replace the gradient with a regular solid fill. The code is on http://nemrod.se/canvas.php and the row causing the error is #68
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  424. # [11:43] <fortysixandtwo> How should I set up my git repo with html5 boilerplate when it creates a "publish" directory after i run "ant build"?
  425. # [11:44] <fortysixandtwo> Any suggestions?
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  427. # [11:44] <Skullcrasher> hji
  428. # [11:44] <fortysixandtwo> Point apache webroot to /publish, or just add "publish" directory to git
  429. # [11:45] <Skullcrasher> I want to "forward" a stream via html5 audio tag but it isn't working
  430. # [11:45] <Skullcrasher> playing files is possible, but not playing streams
  431. # [11:45] <Skullcrasher> any ideas?
  432. # [11:46] <moo-_-> Skullcrasher: your streams are incompatible with <audio> tag?
  433. # [11:46] <Skullcrasher> what you meanß
  434. # [11:46] <Skullcrasher> ?
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  436. # [11:46] <Skullcrasher> I can transcode the streams to format I like
  437. # [11:46] <Skullcrasher> which one should work?
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  439. # [11:47] <Skullcrasher> right now i transcode to ogg with theora+vorbis
  440. # [11:47] <Skullcrasher> the tag looks like following right now
  441. # [11:47] <Skullcrasher> http://pastie.org/3592599
  442. # [11:52] <Skullcrasher> if I rightclick on the player i can save the audio, but it wont play from the html5 player -.-
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  471. # [12:59] <brontosaurusrex> trying to get some basic video player controls to work, here: http://pastebin.com/0QREZ5Q0 , but they dont, any code i can use and it will actually work?
  472. # [12:59] <brontosaurusrex> this was found on some opera-dev page
  473. # [13:00] <brontosaurusrex> and my js is very rusty
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  476. # [13:09] <jeffsmykil> Is this the place for Canvas questions?
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  478. # [13:10] <andrewjbaker> Here... and in #bbg mate.
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  480. # [13:10] <jeffsmykil> because I'm a moron, and as soon as I finished typing that I figured out my problem
  481. # [13:12] <Brunoz> lol, happens to me all the time
  482. # [13:12] <Brunoz> :P
  483. # [13:13] <jeffsmykil> i think it has a name
  484. # [13:13] <jeffsmykil> http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?RubberDucking
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  487. # [13:18] <Brunoz> lol
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  503. # [13:40] <raj> Using canvas, ( http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/01/how-to-develop-a-html5-image-uploader/ ) I'm having trouble showing the preview of an image file (lines 29-42 are my canvas code) http://paste.ofcode.org/34eSy5uK3ccdjvSvyy7AkQQ
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  516. # [13:53] <Artheist> hello all
  517. # [13:53] <Artheist> I have a simple question regarding smthg that is puzzling me
  518. # [13:55] <Artheist> How could it be possible that I am able to view correctly a page (in html5 with audio/canvas features) online, but not on my computer after download ?
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  520. # [13:58] <raj> Artheist, maybe you need some resources on the server
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  522. # [13:58] <raj> static resources, src's, etc
  523. # [13:58] <andrewjbaker> HTML5 canvas API only accepts image paths via URLs, I think.
  524. # [13:58] <raj> andrewjbaker, is that for me?
  525. # [13:58] <andrewjbaker> To Artheist, apologies.
  526. # [13:59] <raj> i'm hoping one of you canvas-knowledge fellas can take a look at my code and tell me where I foobarred it
  527. # [13:59] <StoneCypher> oh for christ's sake
  528. # [13:59] <raj> *knowledgable
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  530. # [13:59] <StoneCypher> you really like cross-channel spamming, raj
  531. # [13:59] <Artheist> Well, I can provide the url so it's clearer
  532. # [14:00] <raj> spamming?
  533. # [14:00] <StoneCypher> "it's been four minutes, better start bugging another group while someone's already looking"
  534. # [14:00] * StoneCypher goes back to his own thing, then
  535. # [14:00] <raj> i haven't gotten an answer in #html and html5 is discussing canvas
  536. # [14:00] <raj> i didn't see activity on my server
  537. # [14:01] <Artheist> but afai understand I downloaded the sound file, I can't see anything in page code that is related to the canvas ...
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  563. # [14:53] <Aperculum> How do I clear the canvas without having to keep track of all the translate() and scale() calls I've done
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  565. # [14:54] <Armen138> Aperculum: canvas.width = canvas.width;
  566. # [14:57] <Aperculum> sounds like a hack
  567. # [14:57] <Aperculum> but if it works, fine :)
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  569. # [14:57] <Aperculum> thanks Armen138 :)
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  572. # [15:03] <Armen138> you're welcome Aperculum
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  576. # [15:08] <Aperculum> Armen138: but that doesn't work if I change the scale
  577. # [15:08] <Aperculum> it doesn't allow me to do that
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  598. # [15:29] <Armen138> Aperculum: you can try changing the width value and then changing it back
  599. # [15:31] <Armen138> Aperculum: or this: http://stackoverflow.com/a/6722031
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  621. # [15:43] <RafaelFuturo> Help please I nned to fix the site fandronicos.com i cant figure out how to put the middle colum on the center any help? It has to be some css thing!
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  624. # [15:44] <StoneCypher> margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; doc needs to be in standards mode
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  627. # [15:55] <RafaelFuturo> thanks
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  687. # [17:05] <josh> hey guys im planning to do something html5y and want some direction if thats ok
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  689. # [17:07] <andrewjbaker> Just ask away dude; someone will likely be able to help you out. ;-)
  690. # [17:07] <josh> http://erpfans.co.uk/test/images/Wall-5-cement.jpg
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  692. # [17:07] <josh> I have a wall here, im going to have content on the wall. I hope to have it scroll horizontal to the next section
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  694. # [17:08] <josh> The problem ive stumbled across is I may want the background (buildings) to move slower than the wall
  695. # [17:08] <josh> Something like this:http://www.rowtothepole.com/
  696. # [17:08] <josh> Not sure how i can go about that
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  698. # [17:08] <andrewjbaker> OK, what you're describing is called parallax scrolling.
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  700. # [17:09] <josh> right
  701. # [17:09] <josh> I've heard of that
  702. # [17:09] <andrewjbaker> http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menu/css3-parallax.html
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  705. # [17:11] <josh> andrewjbaker: im torn between having the wall as a background image which I move
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  708. # [17:13] <andrewjbaker> And?
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  710. # [17:15] <josh> and having them as divs/sections and sitting them next to each other using float:left
  711. # [17:15] <josh> then doing some sort of scrollTo
  712. # [17:15] <andrewjbaker> IIRC, moving the background image shouldn't cause reflow to occur.
  713. # [17:15] <andrewjbaker> So it's likely a better option.
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  715. # [17:15] <josh> ok
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  717. # [17:16] <josh> andrewjbaker: you happen to know the best tut for parallax scrolling?
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  720. # [17:17] <andrewjbaker> josh, I generally tend to do canvas stuff mate, so not really.
  721. # [17:17] <andrewjbaker> :-s
  722. # [17:17] <josh> np
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  724. # [17:17] <andrewjbaker> Perhaps someone else in the channel does?
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  726. # [17:18] <RafaelFuturo> I change my css on fandronicos.com and still getting the same results anyone any suggestions? help please!
  727. # [17:19] <moo-_-> RafaelFuturo: cache
  728. # [17:19] <josh> andrewjbaker you from the UK?
  729. # [17:19] <moo-_-> could be server, could be browser
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  731. # [17:19] <andrewjbaker> josh, yup.
  732. # [17:19] <josh> thought so
  733. # [17:20] <andrewjbaker> ^^
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  738. # [17:22] <josh> andrewjbaker: where abouts?
  739. # [17:22] <andrewjbaker> I'm in Sheffield ATM. I live in Nottinghamshire.
  740. # [17:23] <josh> you don't happy to be that guy who won the euro million do you?
  741. # [17:23] <josh> happen*
  742. # [17:23] <andrewjbaker> Do you honestly think I'd be sat in an IRC channel if I were? :-p
  743. # [17:24] <josh> haha
  744. # [17:24] <andrewjbaker> Actually, I probably would be. :-s
  745. # [17:24] <moo-_-> andrewjbaker: I would ._:
  746. # [17:25] <josh> yeah was gonna say
  747. # [17:25] <andrewjbaker> moo-_-, ;-)
  748. # [17:25] <josh> everyone would be at work
  749. # [17:25] <josh> you would be bored
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  751. # [17:26] <jeffsmykil> How do I go about adding a stroke width to a ctx.arc?
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  753. # [17:26] <David_Bradbury> I'd still be on IRC if I won a million Euroes
  754. # [17:27] <David_Bradbury> Euros*
  755. # [17:27] <andrewjbaker> jeffsmykil, I think it's lineWidth.
  756. # [17:27] <jeffsmykil> yeah I tried that and got no difference, does it take a unit?
  757. # [17:28] <moo-_-> David_Bradbury: I'd create my own IRC network where I could idle all day long
  758. # [17:28] <David_Bradbury> Watch out guys, we got a bad-ass over here ;)
  759. # [17:29] <andrewjbaker> jeffsmykil, http://www.html5canvastutorials.com/tutorials/html5-canvas-arcs/
  760. # [17:29] <jeffsmykil> ty
  761. # [17:29] <andrewjbaker> LOL.
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  763. # [17:29] <moo-_-> andrewjbaker: could we search engine optimize a little bit more? ;P
  764. # [17:30] <andrewjbaker> SEO-perfection. :-D
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  767. # [17:31] <moo-_-> well obviously URL has been created drawing in visitors from google to generate ad revenue...
  768. # [17:31] <jeffsmykil> ah I wan't making a big enough jump
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  770. # [17:31] <moo-_-> jeffsmykil: leap of faith required
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  773. # [17:32] <jeffsmykil> sometimes you need a push
  774. # [17:33] <andrewjbaker> Followed by a pop.
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  778. # [17:38] <Endless1> Hi folks i got a question today explaining what html5 was, first i told him that it's a xml hypertext markup language, after that i was not so sure anymore. Is it the new teknik like drag and drop, canvas, webworkers, placeholder, form validator etc or is it just the stupid new tags like <footer>? how would you describe/define html5? whats the diffrent between html5 and 4?
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  781. # [17:41] <David_Bradbury> Well, HTML5 isn't XHTML- Strictly speaking, it is simply an upcoming specification by the W3C for the HTML language. That said, most people group in most recent web technologies into what is known as HTML5
  782. # [17:41] <moo-_-> Endless1: you were told wrong
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  785. # [17:42] <Endless1> So what would you say is the big different between html5 and html4?
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  789. # [17:43] <trask> both still ugly, i dislike port 80
  790. # [17:44] <David_Bradbury> Endless1: Strictly speaking, or in practical usage?
  791. # [17:44] <andrewjbaker> In hipster vernacular please. :-D
  792. # [17:44] <Endless1> practical usage. i guess
  793. # [17:44] <David_Bradbury> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/ should help
  794. # [17:44] <David_Bradbury> From a strict standpoint
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  797. # [17:45] <David_Bradbury> But when most people talk about HTML5, they generally include newer web technologies including changes to JavaScript, CSS3, the DOM, etc...
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  800. # [17:48] <Endless1> Agree with David. Many people have diffrent opinion on what html5 is. And was only curies what you guys think is the definition of html5
  801. # [17:48] <andrewjbaker> HTML5: Some cool shit.
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  804. # [17:50] <Endless1> If that would be a reasonable answer i would buy it :P
  805. # [17:50] <andrewjbaker> LMAO.
  806. # [17:50] <andrewjbaker> Sold.
  807. # [17:52] <moo-_-> Endless1: http://mlkshk.com/r/CQG0
  808. # [17:52] <moo-_-> that's the answer
  809. # [17:52] <moo-_-> the practical
  810. # [17:52] <moo-_-> one
  811. # [17:52] <Endless1> Thats a good one!
  812. # [17:52] <Brunoz> html5 sucks only if you use ie7 or ie8 or ie9, strange hein?….
  813. # [17:53] <Brunoz> almost as if it sucks if you are a windows user :P
  814. # [17:53] <Endless1> I'm a mac user! hate everything microsoft dose
  815. # [17:53] <moo-_-> Brunoz: redmond pays you for c... sucking?
  816. # [17:53] <Endless1> only buggy
  817. # [17:53] <moo-_-> :)
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  819. # [17:54] <moo-_-> otherwise they would have not stagnated web development for 10 years
  820. # [17:55] <Endless1> i stop developing for IE except the latest version and force them to use other browser or chrome frame
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  822. # [17:55] <Brunoz> moo-_-: why did you got so defensive? :p
  823. # [17:56] <moo-_-> Endless1: that's the way to go :)
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  825. # [17:56] <moo-_-> Brunoz: without windows I would have spend many hours of my life much happier
  826. # [17:56] <Endless1> Thats everyones way to go!!!
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  829. # [17:57] <Brunoz> it just makes not difference to me
  830. # [17:57] <Brunoz> i couldn't care less :)
  831. # [17:58] <Endless1> here is a video for regular user using win8: https://mail.iteranetworks.se/owa/redir.aspx?C=d690bc0defdb486c8d913d85cc78664d&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.youtube.com%2fwatch%3fv%3dv4boTbv9_nU
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  833. # [18:00] <jeffsmykil> noob question: is it possible to draw inside anotjher element in canvas, or to maybe group elements?
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  835. # [18:01] <Brunoz> like inception? a draw inside a draw?
  836. # [18:01] <jeffsmykil> i guess i need to rethink how to ask
  837. # [18:02] <josh> andrewjbaker: done it :) http://erpfans.co.uk/test/
  838. # [18:04] <moo-_-> jeffsmykil: there are no elements in <canvas>
  839. # [18:04] <moo-_-> just pixels
  840. # [18:04] <moo-_-> which colors you can change
  841. # [18:04] <moo-_-> with different drawing operations
  842. # [18:05] <jeffsmykil> how do I end an operation on one pixel
  843. # [18:05] <jeffsmykil> right now i have a drop shadow and a circle
  844. # [18:05] <jeffsmykil> then i draw a line
  845. # [18:05] <jeffsmykil> and the line has a shadow
  846. # [18:05] <jeffsmykil> even though they are in different functions
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  850. # [18:08] <andrewjbaker> josh, /me looks..
  851. # [18:08] <josh> andrewjbaker: refresh
  852. # [18:08] <moo-_-> jeffsmykil: https://developer.mozilla.org/samples/canvas-tutorial/5_1_canvas_savestate.html
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  855. # [18:08] <moo-_-> jeffsmykil: the operation "brush" is stateful
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  857. # [18:08] <andrewjbaker> josh, :-D
  858. # [18:09] <josh> andrewjbaker: my only issue is when you scroll down the image doesnt move up only the wall
  859. # [18:09] <jeffsmykil> so i only get one drop shadow, I have to edit it every time i want to or don't want to use it?
  860. # [18:09] <josh> but I can live with that I think
  861. # [18:09] <andrewjbaker> Ya, you can refine as your knowledge grows mate.
  862. # [18:10] <andrewjbaker> I must admit, I assumed there was gonna be horizontal motion.
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  864. # [18:10] <andrewjbaker> So you moved along the wall. And the buildings moved horizontally at a slower rate.
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  866. # [18:11] <jeffsmykil> moo-_-: I get it now, seems very strange, but I get it
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  868. # [18:11] <moo-_-> jeffsmykil: it's the same as OpenGL
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  872. # [18:14] <jeffsmykil> is there an online tool where i can draw things and export them as canvas code?
  873. # [18:14] <jeffsmykil> like you can with svg
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  878. # [18:18] <andrewjbaker> jeffsmykil, I haven't come across an online one. But you there's the ink2canvas extension for Inkscape.
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  880. # [18:18] <jeffsmykil> OMG
  881. # [18:18] <andrewjbaker> The generated code is... 'interesting' though.
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  883. # [18:18] <jeffsmykil> ive been using inkscape for so long, that would be perfect
  884. # [18:18] <jeffsmykil> oh
  885. # [18:18] <jeffsmykil> interesting like dreamweaver code is interesting?
  886. # [18:19] <andrewjbaker> It's usable, if you're prepared to turn a bit of a blind eye. Ya.
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  888. # [18:19] <andrewjbaker> I usually just wrap what it gives me up in a function, minify it, and forget how nasty it looks.^^
  889. # [18:19] <jeffsmykil> sounds good to me
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  891. # [18:19] <jeffsmykil> hopefully it runs in OS X
  892. # [18:20] <andrewjbaker> The extension is written in Python, so you should be OK.
  893. # [18:20] <andrewjbaker> https://github.com/karlisson/ink2canvas
  894. # [18:20] <andrewjbaker> The generated code should be fine.
  895. # [18:20] <andrewjbaker> In terms of executing OK.
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  897. # [18:21] <jeffsmykil> i feel like ill be cheating a bit
  898. # [18:21] <jeffsmykil> but this is excrutiating
  899. # [18:22] <andrewjbaker> There's also canvg, which might be of some use to you.
  900. # [18:22] <andrewjbaker> It renders SVG to canvas.
  901. # [18:22] <jeffsmykil> seems to be more overhead though in that iirc
  902. # [18:22] <andrewjbaker> Giving you consistent SVG rendering across all supported browsers.
  903. # [18:23] <andrewjbaker> I agree. Defo more overhead.
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  914. # [18:30] <jeffsmykil> ty andrewjbaker
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  917. # [18:31] <andrewjbaker> jeffsmykil, you're most welcome dude.
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  919. # [18:31] <Appache> does youtube use html 5 for its videos?
  920. # [18:32] <andrewjbaker> I seem to remember it was opt-in at one point. Not sure about now tho', sorry.
  921. # [18:34] <Appache> im kinda new to all this and trying to figure something out
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  923. # [18:36] <moo-_-> Appache: on mobile yes
  924. # [18:36] <Appache> i know when a yt video is embeded, it sends 3 requests to the server. how could i track what it responds back
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  926. # [18:36] <moo-_-> Appache: use firebug
  927. # [18:36] <andrewjbaker> I need to head home. See y'all later. \o-
  928. # [18:36] <Appache> bye andrew
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  930. # [18:37] <Appache> with firebug could I also track what I am sending out?
  931. # [18:37] <moo-_-> network tab
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  945. # [18:54] <Appache> so i logged the activity of requests. how do i save a log?
  946. # [18:55] <moo-_-> Appache: I suggest for Firebug support you contact Firebug specific forum mentioned on Firebug site
  947. # [18:55] <moo-_-> people there have more knowledge to help you with Firebug
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  983. # [19:38] <StoneCypher> huhuhuhu
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  1027. # [20:30] <tw2113> miketaylr that $10 can pay for a sliver of MBP screen repair
  1028. # [20:31] <miketaylr> yesssss
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  1059. # [21:11] <jeffsmykil> Why would a circle become pixelated in canvas when the whole drawing is scaled if the circle is drawn with canvs
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  1062. # [21:11] <danielfilho> oh boy
  1063. # [21:11] <danielfilho> that was complicated to get
  1064. # [21:12] <danielfilho> but check the proportion of the drawing and the canvas.
  1065. # [21:12] <jeffsmykil> but shouldn't anything draw natively in canvas be vector?
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  1067. # [21:14] <jeffsmykil> please excuse my ignorance
  1068. # [21:14] <danielfilho> no, that's not ignorance
  1069. # [21:14] <jeffsmykil> then my stupidity ;)
  1070. # [21:14] <danielfilho> I'm not that good on canvas, but SVG are actually vectors
  1071. # [21:15] <jeffsmykil> i have found load time on svg stuff to be unacceptable for what im trying to do :/
  1072. # [21:15] <tw2113> one uses dots, one uses vector points
  1073. # [21:15] <tw2113> true story
  1074. # [21:15] <jeffsmykil> so the dots wont always scale nicely?
  1075. # [21:15] <danielfilho> you can recalculate on rescales
  1076. # [21:15] <danielfilho> I think it's the better approach
  1077. # [21:16] <danielfilho> if you just resize it, it will pixelate
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  1087. # [21:26] <besimo> bonjour guys. just bought mIRC ;)
  1088. # [21:26] <besimo> having great news. new project based on html launched
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  1091. # [21:27] <besimo> http://vipmeup.net ... just take a minute. it is about getting famous and also donating half of the money
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  1093. # [21:27] <besimo> that is being turned over.
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