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  62. # [01:21] <Pomax> can anyone explain this position:absolute vs relative quirk?
  63. # [01:21] <Pomax> http://jsfiddle.net/FDURR/
  64. # [01:21] <Pomax> why does absolute turn it into what seems a 0px height element?
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  69. # [01:26] <JonathanNeal> how do i undo a context.rotate() in canvas? .restore() does not seem to do it.
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  71. # [01:28] <matt5> will websocket completely replace ajax when it's more mature?
  72. # [01:28] <matt5> will it replace it 100%?
  73. # [01:28] <Pomax> JonathanNeal: first save?
  74. # [01:28] <jetienne> JonathanNeal: .save/restore include .rotate too. the issue is likely elsewhere
  75. # [01:28] <JonathanNeal> I am not saving it first.
  76. # [01:28] <Pomax> you want to
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  78. # [01:29] <JonathanNeal> I will try that first.
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  82. # [01:31] <Pomax> (they work like a pair of push/pop operators)
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  84. # [01:32] <Pomax> although they're slightly different in that you can do .save(), ..., restore(), ..., restore(), ..., restore() and you keep going back to the context transform as it was at the time you called save()
  85. # [01:32] <Pomax> (rather than having to resave after a rstore)
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  89. # [01:34] <JonathanNeal> restore will keep going to the same save?
  90. # [01:35] <Pomax> until you call a new save
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  93. # [01:37] <jetienne> Pomax: oh ? i always resaved every time.. cool i learned somethign :)
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  104. # [02:15] <JonathanNeal> i must be doing something else wrong, as the restore continues not to work. is it because i regrab the 2d context?
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  106. # [02:18] <jetienne> JonathanNeal: unlikely. .getcontext() always return the same context, at least this is the case for 3D context
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  146. # [03:06] <jetienne> any user of webkit web audio api ? i got a node and would like to know the other node it is connected to, can i do that ?
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  200. # [05:03] <austincheney> what is the difference between the w3c "shadow dom" and the whatwg "scoped stylesheets" ?
  201. # [05:04] <austincheney> and why is one confined to one group and the other to a different group but neither appear to be in work together?
  202. # [05:04] <austincheney> and what is the primary motivation behind this insanity?
  203. # [05:05] <moo-_-> austincheney: try asking on #whatwg channel
  204. # [05:05] <moo-_-> meet the author
  205. # [05:05] <austincheney> what's worse is that they are both originating from Google employees that appear to not be talking to each other
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  217. # [05:15] <moo-_-> people should irc more, so they wouldn't have social problems like not talking each other ;)
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  237. # [05:49] <rupl> is there anything wrong with specifying non-UA conditional classes? never really thought about it before, but why not? https://gist.github.com/2048533
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  365. # [11:04] <kevindougans> if any of you are using html5 boiler plate and the 960.gs responsive, how are you loading different jquery in depending on screen size?
  366. # [11:04] <kevindougans> is there a best practice?
  367. # [11:04] <kevindougans> i was gonna use query to check the screen width?
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  370. # [11:07] <Jayflux> anyone know how I can solve this shaky nav when scrolling? http://erpfans.co.uk/test/
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  376. # [11:27] <manuchill> Jayflux, same here (tested in FF 11 ubuntu oneiric)
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  523. # [15:20] <jubby> Any canvas developers out there? I was wondering if anyone knows of a library that does particle generation.
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  526. # [15:21] <Armen138> jubby: http://easeljs.com/ does to some extent
  527. # [15:21] <moo-_-> jubby: three.js
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  530. # [15:23] <jubby> Armen138: moo-_-: Thanks!
  531. # [15:24] <jubby> Im basically trying to create a subtle particle animation as a background… absolute beginner at canvas.
  532. # [15:26] <Armen138> moo-_-: I was not familiar with three.js, that looks impressive :) thanks for pointing me to it
  533. # [15:27] <moo-_-> Armen138: try also #three.js IRC channel
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  536. # [15:28] <jubby> moo-_-: Ahhh! Fantastic. Thank you!
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  539. # [15:32] <StoneCypher> jubby: why don't you just do it by hand? particle simulations are like 10 lines of code
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  542. # [15:33] <jubby> StoneCypher: Because I'm ignorant. =/
  543. # [15:33] <jubby> StoneCypher: Know of any tuts on how to do that?
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  545. # [15:33] <p3sho> Hi guys! A quick question about contentEditable -- using execCommand('backColor', ...) I can set the background color of the spans that are created as the user types. Is there any way I can set a custom css class to be applied to those spans?
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  547. # [15:34] <StoneCypher> jubby: no, it's just drawing dots
  548. # [15:34] <StoneCypher> jubby: it doesn't warrant a tutorial
  549. # [15:34] <StoneCypher> google does
  550. # [15:34] <StoneCypher> but they're all going to be "omg this is how you do it this complex way"
  551. # [15:34] <StoneCypher> what part of it do you not know how to do?
  552. # [15:35] <jubby> StoneCypher: I think the issue is I have no context to draw from. I haven't done ANY canvas work.
  553. # [15:35] <jubby> StoneCypher: I can see what I want to do in my head though
  554. # [15:35] <StoneCypher> it's a tag. you size it, you get a 2d context, then you set pixels in the pixel buffer.
  555. # [15:35] <StoneCypher> it works exactly the way you'd imagine.
  556. # [15:35] <StoneCypher> have you even tried to look it up?
  557. # [15:36] <jubby> StoneCypher I'm watching a quick start right now.
  558. # [15:36] <StoneCypher> why
  559. # [15:36] <StoneCypher> ugh, fine, whatever
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  683. # [18:13] <David_Bradbury> Anybody know if there is a way to use multi-column to have a table span multiple columns?
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  702. # [18:37] <pdidster> Hi I know this is HTML5 chat but I have a pressing question I can't figure out. My outlook is rendering this HTML email incorrectly but it works in every other client. Anyone have any ideas?
  703. # [18:37] <pdidster> http://pastebin.com/R5SmYkv1
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  705. # [18:38] <David_Bradbury> WebDragon: Don't worry, I was more just theoretically curious ;) Learning black magic only makes you more powerful, right?
  706. # [18:38] <David_Bradbury> pdidster: It is hard to tell just looking at code. If you can't show us a live page, would you be able to share a screenshot as well as a description of what should be fixed?
  707. # [18:39] <pdidster> k let me post
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  709. # [18:40] <RealityBall> hello I am trying to use an audio element in firefox and even though I have source in it it doesn't seem to be playing anything
  710. # [18:40] <RealityBall> I can show the code
  711. # [18:40] <pdidster> its putting a huge gap under the header and in footer
  712. # [18:40] <pdidster> http://imgur.com/88S5z
  713. # [18:41] <WebDragon> David_Bradbury: http://tinypic.com/r/w1g27q/5
  714. # [18:41] <WebDragon> :D
  715. # [18:42] <RealityBall> http://pastebin.com/DDuyeEWQ
  716. # [18:42] <WebDragon> pdidster: can you reduce it to something on jsfiddle at its most basic ?
  717. # [18:42] <pdidster> David_Bradbury, any ideas?
  718. # [18:42] <WebDragon> sometimes that helps isolate the problem
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  720. # [18:43] <WebDragon> also using the debugger (firebug/FF, dragonfly/Opera, etc/chrome) that shows outlines of the item in question including its margins and padding so you can 'see' them visually and tell where they are coming from, is of benefit
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  724. # [18:46] <David_Bradbury> Hmm, hard to say. It could be adding padding above each of the tables
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  726. # [18:47] <David_Bradbury> err
  727. # [18:47] <David_Bradbury> Bellow
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  729. # [18:47] <David_Bradbury> It is hard to control the way e-mail clients render HTML =/
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  732. # [18:50] <RealityBall> does anyone have an idea on why my audio element isn't working http://pastebin.com/DDuyeEWQ?
  733. # [18:51] <David_Bradbury> RealityBall: Well, first thing I notice is the type "audio/ogg" - But you're linking to an mp3
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  735. # [18:51] * WebDragon hands RealityBall a fresh can of facepal,
  736. # [18:51] <WebDragon> *facepalm
  737. # [18:52] <RealityBall> lol
  738. # [18:52] <WebDragon> :D
  739. # [18:53] <David_Bradbury> Also, you can usually just omit the type
  740. # [18:53] <RealityBall> it shouldn't be an issue but I will try omitting it
  741. # [18:54] <RealityBall> nothing
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  743. # [18:55] <David_Bradbury> Okay, now I assume that you have your file in the main directory, then your audio file in the music directory, yes?
  744. # [18:55] <WebDragon> you do have a theora/vorbis codec installed, so that it's possible to play the thing in the first place, right?
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  746. # [18:55] <WebDragon> also I might suggest file permissions as well as correct path
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  749. # [18:56] <RealityBall> David_Bradbury: yeah the directory is fine I tested it by letting other things on the page link to it
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  751. # [18:56] <David_Bradbury> Also, for cross browser support, you should include both mp3 and ogg
  752. # [18:56] <RealityBall> WebDragon: I have no idea if I have those codecs installed how do I check?
  753. # [18:56] <David_Bradbury> What browser are you using RealityBall ?
  754. # [18:56] <WebDragon> RealityBall: can you play the ogg file in your computer by double-clicking it or whatever ?
  755. # [18:57] <RealityBall> WebDragon: its an mp3 and yes I can
  756. # [18:57] <RealityBall> David_Bradbury: I am testing on both Opera and Firefox and neither of them work
  757. # [18:57] <RealityBall> David_Bradbury: to play the audo
  758. # [18:57] <David_Bradbury> Firefox doesn't support MP3, and I'm pretty sure Opera doesn't either
  759. # [18:57] <David_Bradbury> I'll double check
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  762. # [18:58] <RealityBall> *sigh* I really don't want to use the yahoo player
  763. # [18:58] <David_Bradbury> You don't have to, you would just include an OGG file
  764. # [18:58] <WebDragon> RealityBall: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/scriptjunkie/hh527168 see the section on Multiple Audio Files to set up a graceful fallback in the instance that .ogg cannot be played but .mp3 can. and offer both
  765. # [18:58] <David_Bradbury> Yeah, only Safari and Chrome support MP3
  766. # [18:59] <RealityBall> oh alright thanks guys
  767. # [18:59] <RealityBall> :-)
  768. # [18:59] <WebDragon> "Opera Software and Mozilla have been advocates for including the Ogg formats into the HTML standard.[3] Support has been available in experimental builds of Opera 9.5 since 2007,[4] and Ogg Theora is fully supported since Opera 10.50"
  769. # [19:00] <WebDragon> but that refers to the video codec
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  771. # [19:01] <WebDragon> http://my.opera.com/core/blog/2010/03/03/everything-you-need-to-know-about-html5-video-and-audio-2 refers to Opera 10.50
  772. # [19:01] <WebDragon> 11.61 is current so check with the current releasenotes
  773. # [19:02] <RealityBall> okay
  774. # [19:02] <RealityBall> I hope audacity could just convert audio to oga and ogg
  775. # [19:02] <WebDragon> http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2012/01/24/opera-11-61
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  778. # [19:03] <RealityBall> I don't understand why they would not support mp3
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  780. # [19:04] <David_Bradbury> RealityBall: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4923136/why-doesnt-firefox-support-mp3-file-format-in-audio
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  782. # [19:05] <RealityBall> David_Bradbury: thanks haha welp time to get converting
  783. # [19:05] <WebDragon> actually http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/ is better
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  787. # [19:06] <RealityBall> WebDragon: alright I am opening all those links thanks for the help
  788. # [19:06] <RealityBall> WebDragon: I'll probably take a break for now and come back later and see if everything works
  789. # [19:06] <WebDragon> bugfixing-by-wandering-around-for-a-bit ?
  790. # [19:06] <WebDragon> =)
  791. # [19:07] <WebDragon> "maybe it'll go away when I'm not looking"
  792. # [19:07] <RealityBall> haha something like that
  793. # [19:07] <WebDragon> ehheheheh
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  795. # [19:07] <RealityBall> I know I have to convert the files now and change a few things here and there but I'm burned out for now I'll get back to it
  796. # [19:08] <RealityBall> :) thanks for the help so far
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  800. # [19:10] <WebDragon> telnet bofh.engr.wisc.edu 666 <-- BOFH excuse server. heh
  801. # [19:10] <WebDragon> Your excuse is: Quantum dynamics are affecting the transistors
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  831. # [20:06] <sphinxxx> anyone know how to embed <video> tag in tumblr?
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  835. # [20:08] <tw2113> does it strip it out?
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  854. # [20:35] <sphinxxx> tw2113: ya
  855. # [20:35] <tw2113> scumbag tumblr
  856. # [20:35] <sphinxxx> ya :\
  857. # [20:35] <tw2113> strips out your video tags
  858. # [20:35] <sphinxxx> they give you a custom html section, but it doesn't allow <video>, huge wtf moment
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  872. # [20:49] <brontosaurusrex> are video states captured properly in chrome with js? (video tag)
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  885. # [21:10] <uf0_work> paul_irish: around?
  886. # [21:10] <bot-t1> (546 hours ago) <paul_irish> tell uf0_work from fixed to canary is a matter of hours. from canary to stable is around 10 weeks, typically
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