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  82. # [01:38] <JonathanNeal> HTML5 Canvas Goodies! Brightness, Contrast, and Desaturate! https://gist.github.com/2053865 https://gist.github.com/2053866 https://gist.github.com/2053868
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  85. # [01:41] <smplstk> ?whois bot-t1
  86. # [01:41] <bot-t1> smplstk, Couldn't find "whois bot-t1" in jQuery Docs.
  87. # [01:41] <smplstk> lol
  88. # [01:41] <smplstk> WOOPS
  89. # [01:41] <smplstk> ?:has
  90. # [01:41] <caniuse> smplstk: :has() Selector: Selects elements which contain at least one element that matches the specified selector. http://api.jquery.com/has-selector/
  91. # [01:41] <bot-t1> :has(selector): Selects elements which contain at least one element that matches the specified selector. http://api.jquery.com/has-selector/
  92. # [01:41] <smplstk> bleh - must fix
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  97. # [01:47] <smplstk> ?:has
  98. # [01:47] <caniuse> smplstk: :has() Selector: Selects elements which contain at least one element that matches the specified selector. http://api.jquery.com/has-selector/
  99. # [01:47] <bot-t1> :has(selector): Selects elements which contain at least one element that matches the specified selector. http://api.jquery.com/has-selector/
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  104. # [01:52] <smplstk> ?:has
  105. # [01:52] <caniuse> smplstk: :has() Selector: Selects elements which contain at least one element that matches the specified selector. http://api.jquery.com/has-selector/
  106. # [01:52] <bot-t1> :has(selector): Selects elements which contain at least one element that matches the specified selector. http://api.jquery.com/has-selector/
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  112. # [02:12] <paul_irish> uf0_work: best to just ask. i get scrollback every day or so
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  114. # [02:14] <bkdev> ?:video
  115. # [02:14] <bot-t1> bkdev, (mb)YTPlayer, play a Youtube video as background - Plugins - jQuery - We've been looking to provide a higher-quality, spam-free experience at the plugins site for some time, and a major error on our part forced us to shut down the current site before we could put the... http://plugins.jquery.com/project/mbYTPlayer
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  166. # [04:47] <JonathanNeal> Hi!
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  227. # [07:56] <JonathanNeal> More Canvas Goodies! Trim! https://gist.github.com/2055635
  228. # [08:00] <tw2113> nom nom nom JonathanNeal ?
  229. # [08:01] <JonathanNeal> I hope they are useful for some people.
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  233. # [08:13] <JonathanNeal> I want to make another function that lets you easily make your own image manipulations..
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  235. # [08:16] <tw2113> i have too much fun making pointless functions
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  240. # [08:17] <JonathanNeal> ditto?
  241. # [08:18] <tw2113> scroll to the bottom https://gist.github.com/tw2113
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  243. # [08:19] <JonathanNeal> Macho Man Randy Savage ?
  244. # [08:20] <tw2113> yup
  245. # [08:20] <tw2113> and the wrapper function i did for php's die()
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  461. # [16:38] <vorrin> hello
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  464. # [16:41] <vorrin> I'm very new to html5, but I've been asking, from work, to write something to show the files in a given local directory, in a web page
  465. # [16:42] <vorrin> could anyone point me vaguely in the right direction for this? (this far I encountered the tutorial to display a set of files that have been manually chosen by the user through an input button)
  466. # [16:42] <vorrin> but I basically really don't know how to get a filelist object without user interaction, extracted from the files in a given directory...
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  473. # [16:54] <moo-_-> vorrin: you cannot read arbitary content in JS, otherwise you could read off files from user hard disks
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  475. # [16:55] <moo-_-> vorrin: chrome haas some extended file API, but as far as I know all file operations are sandboxed somehow
  476. # [16:55] <vorrin> yes, I was afraid it would be so :) And asked in the javascript channel in the meantime, where this got confirmed
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  478. # [16:56] <vorrin> so, thanks, it is indeed not possible without user input
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  480. # [16:56] <moo-_-> for a good reason, yeah
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  482. # [16:56] <vorrin> yeh, for a pretty good reason too :)
  483. # [16:57] <vorrin> I was just partially hoping it'd work, as I remembered seeing something doing it, but that was way way back, when the internet was a wilder land, I guess :)
  484. # [16:57] <vorrin> (and browser's security laughable :) )
  485. # [16:57] <vorrin> anyway, another question I have about html5
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  487. # [16:58] <vorrin> is there a good site for finding references, for the functions that html5 adds for javascript?
  488. # [16:58] <moo-_-> vorrin: see this channel topic links
  489. # [16:58] <vorrin> (feel free to correct me if what I said is completely wrong)
  490. # [16:59] <moo-_-> and html5please.com
  491. # [16:59] <vorrin> ok, looking into it now, I did open them up earlier but didn't go through all of them yet
  492. # [17:01] <vorrin> ok, they seem to refer to the tags of html5 very well, I think what I meant was APIs
  493. # [17:01] <vorrin> I found the references for them on w3c, but they are quite unusual and less helpful than what I am used to (ie. a nice list of elements and methods and such)
  494. # [17:05] <phrearch> vorrin: http://html5rocks.com/
  495. # [17:08] <moo-_-> vorrin: also if you know the API name you can check mozilla deverloper network (mdn)
  496. # [17:08] <moo-_-> they often have the best docs
  497. # [17:08] <vorrin> yes, I happened to cross that earlier, it looked quite good to me too, I'll give it another look, thanks
  498. # [17:09] <moo-_-> vorrin: also avoid w3schools like plague http://w3fools.com/
  499. # [17:09] <vorrin> as yes, I do know I'm currently interested in the file API
  500. # [17:09] <vorrin> heh, moo, too late, was already there, found it highly unhelpful ,left
  501. # [17:09] <vorrin> still, that surprised me, I remembered them being apparently at least, fairly good, a few years ago
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  506. # [17:24] <vorrin> moo-_-: through that last link about w3schools
  507. # [17:24] <vorrin> I got here http://code.google.com/edu/submissions/html-css-javascript/#introduction which is being really really handy, as it's giving me some of the very basics of how javascript and html interact, so, thanks again :)
  508. # [17:25] <vorrin> (I'm fairly savy as a coder, but never really had much to do with the web side of things)
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  517. # [17:40] <elio_> hi everyone!
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  519. # [17:41] <vorrin> hello :)
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  521. # [17:42] <elio_> vorrin, are you a frontend developer:?
  522. # [17:42] <vorrin> no, I'm a developer in search of direction and work :)
  523. # [17:43] <elio_> interesting ^^
  524. # [17:43] <vorrin> if by frontend you mean something akin to a GUI, that has happened, but I wouldn't call myself an expert
  525. # [17:43] <vorrin> especially as it was done in java swing, which is probably the worst thing I've met in my programming time this far
  526. # [17:43] <vorrin> (followed by XSLT)
  527. # [17:43] <elio_> I was talking about building web pages
  528. # [17:44] <elio_> I want to have a little discussion
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  530. # [17:44] <vorrin> yes, I imagined, so, nope, I am most definitely not a frontend developer for the moment, I am here as I just started learning some html5 (did have a bout of xhtml and css previously, but brief, and long ago)
  531. # [17:44] <AZora> Need a canvas library: I've been using EaselJS, but I don't get access to context for clip, save, restore. I was looking at kineticjs, but I don't get Sprites. I need a stage, container, sprites and context. Is there a JS library that currently has these things? i've looked at a few others and discarded them too. (craftyjs, etc)
  532. # [17:45] <vorrin> elio_: unless your discussion is pretty generic, I doubt I can help you with that, if it is, I might :)
  533. # [17:45] <elio_> I want to know if people think that php, ruby, python are still needed for dynamic web pages
  534. # [17:45] <elio_> or using javascript and building static html is enough
  535. # [17:45] <AZora> elio_: a server side language is a good idea instead of having your clients download your database into their browser
  536. # [17:45] <elio_> were the javascript may use external services
  537. # [17:46] <vorrin> as far as I can see, the focus seems to be greatly on javascript, but I've heard really great things about various systems such as django or twisted , using python
  538. # [17:46] <elio_> AZora, yeah currently I have a node.js backend offering json REST web services
  539. # [17:46] <elio_> for an app that will be developed for web, iphone and android
  540. # [17:46] <AZora> twisted is a socket library, I wrote some UDP and some TCP based services in python/twisted. It is great for doing what it does, but that doesn't make it something it isn't
  541. # [17:46] <elio_> do you think that static web pages with javascript is enough to develop the web client
  542. # [17:47] <elio_> or I should use php, ruby, ...
  543. # [17:47] <AZora> elio_: node.js is solid too, but it becomes the server side language replacing php/ruby/asp.net/etc. It doesn't replace the need of a server side language, it simply becomes one (and the web server too)
  544. # [17:48] <elio_> AZora, I'm not very sure on using node.js as a web server
  545. # [17:48] <elio_> for offering html content
  546. # [17:49] <AZora> same regarding python :P ok for admin pages, not ok for real load.
  547. # [17:49] <elio_> yep
  548. # [17:50] <AZora> I imagine node.js would have better performance than python+twisted, but probably worse than something like erlang. (written by experts in each language)
  549. # [17:51] <elio_> I have chosen nodejs for the server side because I'm using mongodb
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  551. # [17:52] <AZora> The future of web dev is really cloud services and data silos... and that means data silos with things like jsonp and websockets in addition to your forward facing web servers. Those web servers will still probably be running php or something.
  552. # [17:52] <elio_> and the whole javascript experience is nice
  553. # [17:52] <elio_> when I'm only one developer
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  556. # [17:52] <AZora> can you recommend a canvas library with stages/layers, sprites and context for clip,save,restore?
  557. # [17:53] <elio_> no idea
  558. # [17:53] <elio_> the only frontend library I know is backbone.js
  559. # [17:53] <AZora> but making interactive cloud apps = JS on the front end. Oracle is kinda dooming java.
  560. # [17:53] <AZora> kinetic.js, easel.js, crafty.js are ones I've tried
  561. # [17:54] <AZora> and since M$ has still failed at making an internet web browser, I wouldn't bet on them
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  563. # [17:59] <vorrin> yes, I just re-started studying this stuff, and I have to say I'm quite amazed at how stubbornly IE still uses a lot of bespoke calls
  564. # [18:00] <vorrin> seeing how more reasonable a face M$ is showing lately, I wasn't expecting the situation to be still so blatantly so
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  569. # [18:01] <AZora> you have to pay more for your Windows Metro to get Flash. They are blocking the app in cheap versions with IE10
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  571. # [18:02] <vorrin> O_O?
  572. # [18:02] <vorrin> serious?
  573. # [18:02] <AZora> MS lost a huge chunk of market share over the MS Office incompatibilities, and ended up offering some compliance in a SP
  574. # [18:03] <jarek> why there is no window.Audio object in Chromium?
  575. # [18:03] <AZora> i haven't looked for recent updates to the story, but yes. It fuels HTML5 dev and is one of the leading "you need HTML5 dev these days" points
  576. # [18:03] <jarek> I though it could not play only MP3/MP4
  577. # [18:03] <jarek> but it looks like audio is disabled completely
  578. # [18:03] <AZora> jarek: audio is weird :/
  579. # [18:03] <vorrin> jarek: don't think so
  580. # [18:03] <vorrin> or at least, I tried some audio playing, using html5 <audio> element, and that worked fine for me , on chrome
  581. # [18:04] <jarek> vorrin: Chrome is a different beast
  582. # [18:04] <jarek> vorrin: I can play audio on Chrome as well
  583. # [18:04] <vorrin> ahhhh
  584. # [18:04] <vorrin> yes
  585. # [18:05] <vorrin> indeed, misread chromium as chrome, sorry :)
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  587. # [18:06] <AZora> uses easeljs, has html5 examples for audio support for various browsers: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/davrous/archive/2011/09/09/html5-platformer-the-complete-port-of-the-xna-game-to-lt-canvas-gt-with-easeljs.aspx
  588. # [18:08] <jarek> strange, I can access Audio object on Ubuntu
  589. # [18:08] <jarek> but on Fedora version of Chromium it's not there
  590. # [18:09] <jarek> for some reason the packager decided to disable it
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  592. # [18:09] <AZora> that's a serious problem with that distro since like 1998.
  593. # [18:11] <jarek> yeah, they are often disabling stuff when it could cause security problems
  594. # [18:11] <jarek> what is the proper way to detect whether ogg format is supported by browser?
  595. # [18:12] <jarek> I remember there was a method called canPlay() or something like that
  596. # [18:13] <jarek> audio.canPlayType('audio/mpeg') == "probably"
  597. # [18:13] <jarek> this is ugly :/
  598. # [18:13] <AZora> jarek, my link has things like that
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  600. # [18:14] <AZora> that's what the link I sent you almost completely about - audio data type in browser, with failover. Ignore the URL, it is about audio
  601. # [18:14] <jarek> AZora: ahh, right
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  603. # [18:14] <jarek> " Currently canPlayType(type) returns: "", "maybe" or "probably""
  604. # [18:14] <jarek> who came up with those values?
  605. # [18:15] <jarek> I can't believe W3C would standarize "maybe" and "probably" as return values
  606. # [18:16] <AZora> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-video-element.html#the-audio-element
  607. # [18:17] <AZora> audio.canPlayType.Magic8Ball("ogg");
  608. # [18:17] <AZora> Magic8Ball returns "answer cloudy, ask again later"
  609. # [18:17] <jarek> such APIs are not very good for HTML5 reputation
  610. # [18:19] <jarek> 'audio/mpeg' is for mp3
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  612. # [18:19] <jarek> what should be the argument for mp4/aac?
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  614. # [18:20] <jarek> if browser supports mp3, is it safe to assume that it will support mp4/aac as well?
  615. # [18:20] <elio_> do you guys have a favorite static web page generator?
  616. # [18:20] <jarek> elio_: what's that?
  617. # [18:20] <elio_> examples are: nanco, staticmatic, etc.
  618. # [18:20] <elio_> *nanoc
  619. # [18:20] <jarek> elio_: I only heard about Jekyll
  620. # [18:20] <jarek> which is used by Github
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  622. # [18:21] <AZora> jarek: not really :(
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  638. # [18:52] <AZora> I'm looking for a Canvas JS library that supports Sprite, Context access (save,restore,clip), and layers/stage/containers functionality.. Tried EaselJS, KineticJS and CraftyJS but they all lack something
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  641. # [19:00] <JoeyCadle> Try ProcessingJS or PaperJS
  642. # [19:00] <JoeyCadle> ProccessingJS is a pretty powerful library for Canvas drawing.
  643. # [19:00] <JoeyCadle> dunno if it has saving/restoring tho
  644. # [19:01] <AZora> well EaselJS blocks my access to Context, and Context is part of the Canvas standard
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  646. # [19:01] <JasonStoudt> anybody have any experience with the web audio API?
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  648. # [19:03] <AZora> clip/save/restore + EaselJS appears to not work at all, even though clip/save/restore come as part of the canvas standard interface "context" something or other
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  650. # [19:03] <AZora> I'll check those out JoeyCadle, thanks. you're the first person to reply in about 2 hours of asking in 2 channels
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  655. # [19:05] <AZora> JasonStoudt: Audio element links http://blogs.msdn.com/b/davrous/archive/2011/09/09/html5-platformer-the-complete-port-of-the-xna-game-to-lt-canvas-gt-with-easeljs.aspx and http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-video-element.html#the-audio-element
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  657. # [19:07] <JasonStoudt> AZora: yeah, I'm a little deeper into it than that
  658. # [19:07] <JasonStoudt> AZora: I had a more specific question
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  661. # [19:09] <AZora> jarek was just playing with it too, but I haven't. I read a lot tho so I might have a specific answer if you ask.
  662. # [19:10] <JasonStoudt> My question is specifically about the AudioBufferSourceNode interface
  663. # [19:11] <JasonStoudt> The w3 spec mentions that this type of object transitions through states as you play the buffered sample
  664. # [19:11] <JasonStoudt> I was wondering if there was a way to get that state
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  666. # [19:13] <AZora> way beyond my study :P but I'd do an interactive console and just walk the data. Set a global variable and you can explore it from the console
  667. # [19:14] <JasonStoudt> yeah, that's what I've been doing... but I'm not seeing any property to reflect the specific state
  668. # [19:14] <JasonStoudt> Just curious if there was some tidbit I wasn't aware of
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  670. # [19:15] <paul_irish> JasonStoudt: you could try asking in w3c's irc server #audio
  671. # [19:15] <paul_irish> but its pretty light in there. so..
  672. # [19:16] <paul_irish> JasonStoudt: best is probablly.. the chromium-html5 group
  673. # [19:16] <JasonStoudt> paul_irish: fair enough, thx
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  693. # [19:54] <JonathanNeal> hi
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  701. # [20:08] <JonathanNeal> Another fun canvas goodie, getImageData / putImageData shortcut https://gist.github.com/2064181
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  739. # [21:29] <foo> anyone used kineticjs ? I'm having some issues try to get the images to be high res for mobile devices, thanks
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  743. # [21:34] <tertl3> is that the physics engine?
  744. # [21:34] <tertl3> foo ^
  745. # [21:36] <nickcooley> I think it's a canvas lib
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  749. # [21:49] <foo> tertl3: canvis lib, yeah
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  751. # [21:49] <foo> http://www.kineticjs.com/docs/symbols/Kinetic.Node.php#setScale
  752. # [21:49] <tertl3> yeah
  753. # [21:49] <tertl3> I looked at it
  754. # [21:49] <tertl3> but thats about it
  755. # [21:50] <tertl3> does canvas use client side GPU?
  756. # [21:50] <foo> http://pastebin.com/Xr734UBy
  757. # [21:50] <StoneCypher> undefined - that's up to the browser. in ie10, chrome, safari-mac, safari-ios and chrome-android, yes; otherwise no
  758. # [21:51] <foo> I thought context.setScale(280,320); might do the trick, because that's essentially how you do this with CSS
  759. # [21:51] <StoneCypher> within a year or two, the answer will be yes across the board
  760. # [21:51] <foo> does anyone see anything wrong with that last line? If I could just resize this image from 560x640 to be 280x320 , I might be good
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  771. # [22:02] <Munger> Hi. Can anybody point me to a decent tutorial for populating a <nav> element using an ajax call?
  772. # [22:03] <Pomax> is that even a thing?
  773. # [22:03] <Munger> Backend return JSON data
  774. # [22:03] <Munger> +s
  775. # [22:04] <Pomax> why would you rely on ajax for your nav element, now people can't use your site without JS
  776. # [22:04] <Pomax> (i.e., where's your fallback)
  777. # [22:04] <Munger> It's a private site for my own consumption
  778. # [22:05] <Pomax> in that case a general tutorial on "how do I get data using AJAX" will do
  779. # [22:05] <Pomax> inserting it into <nav> is incidental to that
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  782. # [22:06] <Munger> Yeah. I'm new to html5 though
  783. # [22:06] <Pomax> (that's just document.getElementByIdOrTagNameOrQuerySelector.innerHTML = newcontent)
  784. # [22:06] <Pomax> this predates html5
  785. # [22:06] <AZora> Munger: I think you should start with jQuery for managing your AJAX requests to start with
  786. # [22:07] <Pomax> the only html5 thing in what you want is putting it into a <nav> element, and that's identical to any other html element
  787. # [22:07] <Pomax> (in terms of how you find it, and fill it)
  788. # [22:07] <foo> I am using this to draw an image: context.drawImage('image/img.png', 0, 0, 560, 640); - if I want to resize this image (so I create image at 560/640 and then shrink it), how can I do that? Can't seem to figure this out, thanks!
  789. # [22:07] <Pomax> foo: the answer is in your code.
  790. # [22:07] <foo> Pomax: by changing 560/640 ?
  791. # [22:07] <Pomax> the image is drawn from 0,0 to 560,640
  792. # [22:07] <Pomax> yup.
  793. # [22:08] <foo> Pomax: so if image/img.png is at 560x640, then changing the values 560x640 should shrink it?
  794. # [22:08] <foo> hm, I thought I tried that. /me checks
  795. # [22:08] <Pomax> regardless of the image size, drawImage(image, 0,0, 10, 10) will draw the image, scaled, from 0,0 to 10,10
  796. # [22:09] <Munger> OK. Thanks
  797. # [22:09] <Pomax> and drawImage(40,40,100,100) from 40,40 to 140,140
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  800. # [22:10] <foo> Pomax: heh, how did I miss this. thank yuo
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  804. # [22:12] <Pomax> heh, sometimes it's easy to miss
  805. # [22:12] <foo> Pomax: hmm, although this may be working properly, it doesn't look like it'll solve the high res iphone 4 issue. image still looks a little blurry. /me starts over again
  806. # [22:13] <foo> well, it is definitely working properly, just not how I thought
  807. # [22:13] <foo> Pomax: in CSS, this is the fix for high res images: http://pastebin.com/CgZiAtjC
  808. # [22:14] <foo> Pomax: so, bring in an image twice the dimensions, then define height/width at where I want it to be, and rescale the image to that height. I guess in the way I do it, it's not showing the larger version and then shrinking it down... it's just showing the shrunken down version, corect?
  809. # [22:14] <foo> correct*
  810. # [22:16] <JonathanNeal> In modern browsers, is it faster ... to do a for loop 200,000 times (with addition/subtraction math in the loop) ... or, to do a for loop 50,000 times (with multiplication math in the loop) ?
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  815. # [22:21] <foo> Pomax: any ideas on this? I'm stumbled and have been googling for a while now. hmm.
  816. # [22:23] <Pomax> you will probably want a few different images for different resolutions
  817. # [22:23] <Pomax> JonathanNeal: that sounds like a question for jsperf =D
  818. # [22:23] <Pomax> http://jsperf.com/
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  820. # [22:24] <JonathanNeal> There's two ways to manipulate canvas data, going through the rgba array, which is the image's (width * height * 4), or you can go through the dimensions which are (width * height) and find the rgba with muliplication math.
  821. # [22:25] <JonathanNeal> yar yar
  822. # [22:25] <foo> Pomax: yeah, I'm ok with that, but if I have a larger image, it still needs to be resized somehow. eg. resolution isn't just twice as big, pixel density is twice the amount
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  824. # [22:26] <Pomax> actually, four.
  825. # [22:26] <Pomax> if your image is twice the width, and twice the height, you made it four times as big.
  826. # [22:26] <Pomax> which adds up, yes.
  827. # [22:27] <foo> Pomax: hm, I'll jsfiddle this.
  828. # [22:27] <foo> Pomax: actually, nevermind, can't really see it
  829. # [22:27] <foo> hmm
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  831. # [22:28] <Pomax> what's are you strictly speaking trying to do? image scaling with hard edge preservation?
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  834. # [22:31] <foo> Pomax: Hm, with the CSS fix for high res images, it the full image that is shown, and *then* the CSS resizes it, so you're looking at an image twice as large but shrunk down 50% (which makes the image looks sharper on apple's iphone 4 devices). With javascript, the actual full image is being scaled via javascript so the lower res image is being shown (even if at 50%)... so it's not as crisp. does this much make sense?
  835. # [22:31] <foo> Pomax: thanks, not sure if I'm articulating this well enough, still learning about this
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  837. # [22:32] <Pomax> could you not check the document.defaultView.getComputedStyle(element,null).getPropertyValue("width") of the element to determine whether to use the low res or high res image with javascript?
  838. # [22:33] <Pomax> (we really need a better API for that)
  839. # [22:33] <JonathanNeal> Here's a demo of what I've got going on @ http://sandbox.thewikies.com/temp-contrast/
  840. # [22:34] <foo> Pomax: so, you're saying, after I create the image, I should check it to see what the dimensions are?
  841. # [22:34] <JonathanNeal> jQuery UI sliders let you adjust the contrast and brightness of the image, and it automatically trims any additional white pixels from the image.
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  843. # [22:34] <Pomax> foo: as a thought, yes
  844. # [22:34] <JonathanNeal> For performance, a tiny debouncer reduces rapid resampling.
  845. # [22:34] <Pomax> JonathanNeal: I would imagine that running for(var i=0; i<imageData.length;i++) is fastest
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  847. # [22:35] <foo> Pomax: I can typically see - either the image is twice as large and didn't work properly, or it's real sharp
  848. # [22:35] <foo> hmm
  849. # [22:38] <Pomax> JonathanNeal: rather than doing all these [i*4 + ...], it'll be far faster to run through (i=0; i<pixels; i+=4) { ... }
  850. # [22:38] <Pomax> you get the same number of iterations, without the multiplications
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  852. # [22:38] <Pomax> that said... they're integer, so you could turn *4 into <<2 and see if that's faster.
  853. # [22:39] <Pomax> (since it's a clean bit shift)
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  877. # [23:30] <shifter1> does javascript need to escaped when embeded in html5? Specifically when using the less than operator (<)
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  885. # [23:40] <foo> Pomax: still around? I made some progress
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  888. # [23:48] <foo> Hm, so, I was having problems getting my canvas to be high res on mobile devices (for iphone4). I just made my canvas twice as big, and in the CSS, I set the width/height to be about half smaller. Anyone see any problems with this? Aside from tracking mouse movements incorrectly, it looks sharp
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  892. # [23:56] <cutiepie> hi everyone!
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