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  1. # Session Start: Sun Mar 18 00:00:00 2012
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  3. # [00:06] <tw2113> yo
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  6. # [00:15] <grantg> whoa
  7. # [00:16] <grantg> Slightly changing some javascript just reduced some code from taking up 50% of the cpu in chrome to 10%
  8. # [00:16] <grantg> Same logic still
  9. # [00:16] <grantg> Just the format of the js itself was changed
  10. # [00:17] <grantg> same math. O_O
  11. # [00:17] <grantg> Does anyone else know if putting decrement/increment operators inside the if is super slow in v8?
  12. # [00:18] <grantg> seems moving it out fixes perf issues in V8
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  15. # [00:21] <StoneCypher> you're probably seeing a significant change because of hoisting
  16. # [00:21] <StoneCypher> if there's that big a performance difference, step through it and watch what it does
  17. # [00:21] <StoneCypher> i suspect that it's not actually doing the same thing
  18. # [00:21] <StoneCypher> that there's a behavioral difference you have not yet noticed
  19. # [00:21] <grantg> The code is already manually inlined
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  21. # [00:22] <grantg> this involves something different, doesn't involve calling funcs inside the if
  22. # [00:22] <grantg> I'll give you the git commit diff
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  24. # [00:24] <grantg> https://github.com/grantgalitz/GameBoy-Online/commit/09112309a6c89a9fc42c8402af2fd22f9e5b43de
  25. # [00:24] <socialhapy> ★ Commit on GameBoy-Online by grantgalitz (1m, 3s ago): Performance update for V8. Seems moving some counter math around made stuff faster.
  26. # [00:24] <grantg> That's too the LLE-APU branch, so it won't show up on the main
  27. # [00:24] <grantg> It samples at 4194304 Hz for audio gen
  28. # [00:25] <grantg> involves emulating the actual hardware logic gate counters
  29. # [00:25] <grantg> *and counters
  30. # [00:25] <grantg> some edge shit that needs to basically be stepped through 1 clock at a time
  31. # [00:26] <grantg> The audio gen code was redone for complete accuracy.
  32. # [00:27] <grantg> these audio synth units run in parallel to the cpu and at the same clock rate as the cpu in base speed
  33. # [00:27] <grantg> and feed into successive sweep/length/duty/envelope units
  34. # [00:28] <grantg> and the big thing was the 512 hz frame sequencer emulation which no documentation says anything about, but the hardware uses to frame the logic for counter control itself
  35. # [00:28] <Velmont> That's just to cry for. That it made such a difference. -- Tested any other engines?
  36. # [00:28] <grantg> yeah
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  38. # [00:28] <grantg> small diff in Firefox
  39. # [00:29] <grantg> Audio gen takes up over 80% of the cpu usage in chrome still though
  40. # [00:29] <grantg> plus the fact it has to be resampled in js as the web audio api doesn't allow anything other than 44.1 khz
  41. # [00:30] <grantg> also bi-linear is too shitty for this kind of resampling, as it's way past the 2x factor
  42. # [00:30] <grantg> so it was custom. :/
  43. # [00:30] <Velmont> Hmm. WebAudio API, there was two competing ones were there not? Don't think we've implemented any of those yet in Opera :-/
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  45. # [00:30] <grantg> moz audio and web audio
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  49. # [00:31] <grantg> moz audio DOES take my sample rate of 4194304 hz and resamples it
  50. # [00:31] <grantg> though w/ bi-linear. :P
  51. # [00:31] <grantg> so firefox resamples it in the browser than in js
  52. # [00:31] <grantg> which is way better
  53. # [00:31] <grantg> in terms of perf
  54. # [00:33] <grantg> heh, for Opera to have audio support, right now it uses a flash swf to create an api exposed to js
  55. # [00:33] <grantg> callbacks from flash
  56. # [00:34] <grantg> too bad opera has horrible setInterval timing, so the emulator is screwed with overall audio/video frame stability
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  58. # [00:35] <Velmont> Yes. Sad. -- We need an audio API, -- but what's "winning" is undecided yet AFAIK, so I guess we're blocking on that. Or maybe someone is working on it, not my domain. :-)
  59. # [00:36] <grantg> The web audio api is the proposed one
  60. # [00:36] <grantg> moz audio was never supposed to be adopted by others
  61. # [00:36] <grantg> the one by roc is the one being pushed now
  62. # [00:36] <Velmont> grantg: Are you using the ... wait-for-vsync paint pull for the others?
  63. # [00:37] <grantg> requestAnimationFrame?
  64. # [00:37] <grantg> I time with setInterval
  65. # [00:37] <grantg> and buffer gfx
  66. # [00:37] <Velmont> I know Opera very recently changed something in setTimeout/setInterval, -- to match others better. Dunno if that will help with that.
  67. # [00:37] <grantg> to blit on requestAnimationFrame
  68. # [00:37] <grantg> firefox though has broken requestAnimationFrame support
  69. # [00:38] <grantg> had to force firefox to not use it
  70. # [00:38] <grantg> firefox has shitty frame timing that drops fps to 10 fps
  71. # [00:38] <Velmont> The resolution
  72. # [00:38] <grantg> Everything is timed by a master setInterval of 16 ms
  73. # [00:39] <grantg> But video is always buffered upon swizzling
  74. # [00:39] <grantg> so the copy op is also the swizzle op
  75. # [00:39] <grantg> to make it fast
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  77. # [00:40] <grantg> Velmont: I request another requestAnimationFrame outside it
  78. # [00:40] <grantg> From the setInterval loop itself
  79. # [00:40] <grantg> rather than in every requestAnimationFrame
  80. # [00:40] <grantg> since the frame rate is specific
  81. # [00:41] <grantg> this breaks firefox, but too bad, because I don't want to flood the event queue with useless draw requests that don't have equal spacing to the real frame rate
  82. # [00:41] <JonathanNeal> Pomax: you around?
  83. # [00:45] <grantg> the event queue already is flooded with callbacks for audio fill in V8
  84. # [00:45] <grantg> so no need to flood the damn queue more and block the audio itself from useless frame draw reqs
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  86. # [00:45] <Velmont> Yes. I guess building an emulator is a really good test case for a lot of low level stuff.
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  88. # [00:45] <grantg> I noticed Opera tries to get 16 ms spacing, while chrome tries to get an *average* of 16 ms
  89. # [00:45] <grantg> V8 will have cases of 12 and 20 ms spacings between calls
  90. # [00:46] <grantg> but it's actually better
  91. # [00:46] <grantg> due to it delaying or calling earlier due to gc
  92. # [00:46] <grantg> it accounts for gc and various delays
  93. # [00:46] <grantg> Firefox always tries to do 16
  94. # [00:46] <grantg> V8 seems to be the one that's the most different
  95. # [00:47] <grantg> May look shitty upon tracings of the timings, but it actually works out
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  97. # [00:47] <Velmont> Hmmm... I wonder how that influences the rest of the web.
  98. # [00:47] <grantg> because the variance is actually the compensation
  99. # [00:48] <grantg> Velmont: it helps
  100. # [00:49] <grantg> makes things more stable that need exact number of iterations over time
  101. # [00:49] <Velmont> Maybe it's worth looking into trying to change it then.
  102. # [00:49] <grantg> as the other browsers seem to always never hit their target of x iterations
  103. # [00:49] <grantg> over y time
  104. # [00:49] <grantg> I wish this was a param in setInterval actually
  105. # [00:50] <grantg> whether to use the compensation algo or not
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  107. # [00:52] <grantg> Anyhow, the "LLE-APU" version is a separate version because it does take up much more cpu load
  108. # [00:52] <grantg> due to an LLE rather than HLE gen, which would bog down browsers
  109. # [00:53] <grantg> because it *is* sampling at over 4 mhz
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  112. # [00:57] <grantg> because the audio hardware is just lots of counters timed off the master cpu clock with different clock dividers
  113. # [00:58] <grantg> with the waveform itself being the same
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  115. # [00:59] <grantg> even the white noise is just a multi-stage xor algorithm
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  118. # [01:06] <grantg> at leasts in runs fullspeed in chrome. :P
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  131. # [01:24] <confus3d> hi. is <embed src="path/to/src" id="id_of_video" /> valid html5? I have this in my document, and I uploaded it to the w3 validator thing, and it says it's not valid, but on their own website, it has the embed src thing and it says it is valid... is this just a false positive?
  132. # [01:24] <confus3d> using transitional dtd
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  155. # [02:00] <Pomax> JonathanNeal: sporadically
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  175. # [02:38] <SrPx> any way to write text with border?
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  199. # [03:15] <Pomax> SrPx: http://jsfiddle.net/LeNzz/
  200. # [03:16] <Pomax> short answer: no. Longer answer: no, but you can fake it with 1px text shadows
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  202. # [03:16] <SrPx> Pomax: correct answer: awesome.
  203. # [03:16] <SrPx> thanks
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  214. # [03:52] <Pomax> FINALLY
  215. # [03:52] <Pomax> http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Canvas
  216. # [03:52] <Pomax> "Ellipses - DONE"
  217. # [03:53] <Pomax> about bloody time O_O
  218. # [03:53] <Pomax> now hopefully it can land soon >_>
  219. # [03:56] <thezoggy> or draw text 2px larger on a layer below it?
  220. # [03:56] <Pomax> that instantly fails due to stretch.
  221. # [03:56] <thezoggy> or use font kit that has the border built in
  222. # [03:57] <StoneCypher> Pomax: why did you wait
  223. # [03:57] <StoneCypher> Pomax: it's a pixel canvas; ellipses aren't rocket science
  224. # [03:57] <Pomax> wait? I'm one of the people who filed a ticket to get it added to canvas
  225. # [03:58] <Pomax> it's an elementary draw operation, why make 100,000 canvas users implement something that should have been in from the start?
  226. # [03:58] <StoneCypher> my point being, after you filed that ticket, ten lines of javascript, half an hour, and you've got a perfect portable answer for your own work
  227. # [03:58] <Pomax> (there's circular arc, but no elliptical arc)
  228. # [03:58] <Pomax> uh..
  229. # [03:58] <Pomax> hi, I work on processing.js
  230. # [03:58] <StoneCypher> oh.
  231. # [03:58] <Pomax> we support ellipse just fine
  232. # [03:58] <Pomax> but why make thousands of canvas users reinvent the wheel, every time
  233. # [03:58] <Pomax> when there really is no need for it.
  234. # [03:58] <StoneCypher> i rather doubt there are thousands of people needing ellipse.
  235. # [03:58] <Pomax> I'm just really glad it's finally getting added in
  236. # [03:58] <StoneCypher> but
  237. # [03:58] <Pomax> now we can get rid of our own implementations
  238. # [03:59] <ard_> ah right, I forgot I wanted to write a proposal for a new method in canvas api
  239. # [03:59] <StoneCypher> i actually won't be using the spec one anyway
  240. # [03:59] <StoneCypher> as i need pixel invariant rendering
  241. # [03:59] <StoneCypher> and the spec isn't strict enough for that to be the case
  242. # [04:00] <Pomax> that's your call, but I don't like reinventing the wheel in a way that's slower than actually getting the wheel added by the people selling me the car.
  243. # [04:00] <Pomax> well yeah, then you have a problem inherent to canvas
  244. # [04:00] * StoneCypher notes that generally speaking, browser geometry isn't very well implemented
  245. # [04:00] <StoneCypher> well
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  247. # [04:00] <StoneCypher> to <canvas> geometry
  248. # [04:00] <Pomax> canvas is not a pixel grid.
  249. # [04:00] <StoneCypher> but canvas is a pixel canvas; it's just implementing a span renderer of my own
  250. # [04:00] <StoneCypher> it offers one
  251. # [04:00] <Pomax> canvas is, emphatically, not a pixel canvas.
  252. # [04:01] <StoneCypher> you're being obstinant
  253. # [04:01] <Pomax> no, it's been an annoying problem since day one
  254. # [04:01] <Pomax> canvas coordinates are between pixels, and its axes are continuous, not discrete
  255. # [04:01] <StoneCypher> er.
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  257. # [04:02] <StoneCypher> i'm not trying to be a jerk but
  258. # [04:02] <Pomax> it's why drawing a straight line gets antialiassed.
  259. # [04:02] <StoneCypher> you do realize that only applies to geometry, which i'm explicitly talking about not using
  260. # [04:02] <StoneCypher> right
  261. # [04:02] <StoneCypher> well no
  262. # [04:02] <StoneCypher> that's because the developer didn't use the appropriate coordinate, which is on 1.5
  263. # [04:03] <StoneCypher> but
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  265. # [04:03] <Pomax> I move that blame to the spec. saying "it's your fault that 0,0 is actually 0.5/0.5 and you need to subtract 0.5" is having made a bad spec.
  266. # [04:03] <StoneCypher> no you're just avoiding the issue
  267. # [04:04] <StoneCypher> there *is* a pixel canvas
  268. # [04:04] <Pomax> if you have your own code that maps pixels to canvas points, you've solved your problem.
  269. # [04:04] <StoneCypher> that the thing you want to do isn't it is beside the point
  270. # [04:04] <StoneCypher> a pixel canvas exists
  271. # [04:04] <StoneCypher> that is good enough
  272. # [04:05] <StoneCypher> the presence of a pixel canvas means that someone who needs pixel invariance and wants to use <canvas> may self implement
  273. # [04:05] <StoneCypher> taht's all i meant.
  274. # [04:05] <Pomax> fair enough
  275. # [04:05] <StoneCypher> the fact that the geometry system prefers math elegance to novice programmer convenience is besides the point
  276. # [04:05] <Pomax> but any move that makes working with canvas easier is a good move in my book, so for the first time ever, I salute Hickson.
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  278. # [04:05] <StoneCypher> i assume that means you've never talked to him.
  279. # [04:06] <Pomax> I have only interacted with him online.
  280. # [04:06] <StoneCypher> it's like shooting yourself in the face with a shotgun full of forks :(
  281. # [04:06] <Pomax> that... does not sound fun =x
  282. # [04:07] <Pomax> I thoroughly did not enjoy my interactions with him, and many echo that sentiment, but I think you've just won the "most painful description" =/
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  286. # [04:08] <StoneCypher> yeah i am
  287. # [04:08] <StoneCypher> not a fan.
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  383. # [08:28] <JonathanNeal> hi
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  405. # [09:45] <thezoggy> hi
  406. # [09:45] <thezoggy> <-- Jonathon
  407. # [09:45] <thezoggy> the only way to spell it :p
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  420. # [10:21] <chee> i hurt myself peeing
  421. # [10:21] <chee> iersetjhlnedfh
  422. # [10:21] <chee> wrong window
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  440. # [10:45] <Moonies> /me strokes chee
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  442. # [10:46] <Moonies> OH GOD
  443. # [10:46] <Moonies> HOW VULGAR
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  845. # [23:38] <Pomax> paul_irish: this question is a trick
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  847. # [23:38] <Pomax> "What is your primary browser for developing?" cannot possibly be real
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  849. # [23:38] <Pomax> why can't I click more than one ;)
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  851. # [23:38] <Pomax> (I always codevelop in Chrome in Firefox. With opera as sanity check)
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