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# Session Start: Tue Mar 20 00:00:00 2012
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# [00:01] <JonathanNeal> Pomax: familiar with figuring out the new width and height of a rectangle as it rotates? width * Math.sin(phi) + height * Math.cos(phi)
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# [00:21] <Pomax> JonathanNeal: project the diagonals onto the x/y axies
# [00:21] <Pomax> *axes
# [00:22] <Pomax> when not rotated their angle's PI/4
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# [00:23] <Pomax> x' = x_diag*cos(angle); y' = y_diag*sin(angle)
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# [00:25] <JonathanNeal> what does ' mean in x' =?
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# [00:30] <Pomax> projected x
# [00:31] <JonathanNeal> I'm not sure how to get the x/y axes.
# [00:31] <JonathanNeal> (i understand how you write axies, that's how i hear it, and when i read axes i think math is more violent)
# [00:33] <Pomax> lol
# [00:33] <Pomax> alright, a moment
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# [00:50] <Pomax> JonathanNeal: http://jsfiddle.net/D68hn/
# [00:51] <Pomax> (150 for x is actually x+w/2, 150 for y is actualy y+h/2, but "150" is easier to read =)
# [00:52] <Pomax> http://jsfiddle.net/D68hn/1/
# [00:52] <JonathanNeal> wowsa
# [00:52] <Pomax> now you can play with the x/y/w/h values to see what it does
# [00:52] <JonathanNeal> yes
# [00:52] <JonathanNeal> it's giving me all four new points of the rectangle.
# [00:53] <Pomax> indeed
# [00:53] <Pomax> which is mighty useful if your rect is, say, a four point random polygon.
# [00:54] <JonathanNeal> Yes
# [00:55] <Pomax> now to devour this second ear of corn
# [00:56] <Pomax> (oh, also note that code can be made a ridiculous amount faster, because there's loads of repeated values)
# [00:57] <JonathanNeal> okay
# [00:57] <JonathanNeal> i know a lot of those cos / sin could be consolidated into a var.
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# [00:58] <Pomax> yeah, cos(angle) and sin(angle) never change, neither do w/2 and h/2
# [00:58] <Pomax> and you'll note even every w/2*cos and h/2*sin... is used twice
# [00:58] <JonathanNeal> yea
# [00:59] <Pomax> you could also replace max(...) with minx = (nx1 < nx2 ? nx1 : nx2 < nx3 ? nx2 : nx3 < nx4 ? nx3: nx4)
# [00:59] <Pomax> not the MOST readable, but still fairly clear
# [00:59] <Pomax> (we're doing the same comparison four times)
# [00:59] <Pomax> *three
# [00:59] <Pomax> ehh.. that's not right. \
# [01:00] <Pomax> corn's clouding my braining O_O
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# [01:00] <JonathanNeal> i'm still absorbing how to translate this into the width / height and x / y change needed for my image as it rotates,
# [01:00] <JonathanNeal> so it's okay, i'm a little slow.
# [01:00] <Pomax> anyway, should be a useful enough fiddle.
# [01:01] <Pomax> just play with it a little, I'm sure it'll click after a bit of twiddling
# [01:01] <Pomax> (the crucial point is that having x/y and width/height means you already know all four corner points, because they're pairs of x, x+w, y and y+h)
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# [01:02] <JonathanNeal> For better or worse, I think in degrees, so I had to change the code just to read it "var angle = Math.PI * (10 / 180);" where 10 is 10 degrees.
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# [01:03] <Pomax> ah yes, those delicious degrees.
# [01:04] <Pomax> make it uber-readable: var degrees = Math.PI/180, angle = 10 * degrees;
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# [01:09] <JonathanNeal> :)
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# [01:12] <JonathanNeal> oh boy, that magical math moment where my brain fizzles.
# [01:12] <JonathanNeal> 60mph is how fast again?
# [01:12] <JonathanNeal> :P
# [01:13] <Pomax> times 1.6?
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# [01:14] <Pomax> (well, roughly)
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# [01:18] <JonathanNeal> val *= something != val = val * something
# [01:18] <JonathanNeal> nonsense.
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# [01:30] <JonathanNeal> aaaaaaaaah :|
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# [01:33] <JonathanNeal> Pomax: i just don't translate it correctly.
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# [01:34] <JonathanNeal> it starts off working until we get to about 22.5 degrees, then i start cutting off the edges.
# [01:35] <Pomax> by how much?
# [01:35] <JonathanNeal> Let me roll it back and build it up again, https://gist.github.com/2128995
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# [01:37] <JonathanNeal> Pomax: ^^ and I added a comment which was what I had been testing.
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# [01:41] <teslan> Consider 1 site and 2 or more domain names, say one per different language ... is this OK from SEO point of view or should I have main EN/.com one and the rest are just forwarding traffick or framing the main one - on which one choose language?
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# [01:43] <Pomax> JonathanNeal: http://jsfiddle.net/D68hn/2/
# [01:43] <Pomax> I don't see it bleeding over any values...
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# [01:45] <JonathanNeal> nor do i, it's my fault.
# [01:46] <JonathanNeal> okay, let me try straight-up copying this code and see what happens.
# [01:46] <Pomax> let me optimise it a bit then
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# [01:50] <JonathanNeal> sure, i'll work off what i have, then take the optimized version.
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# [01:51] <tw2113> which would be a better place to go to to purchase a MBP? just go through apple.com? or try to find a local retailer?
# [01:51] <JonathanNeal> mbp?
# [01:51] <tw2113> mac book pro
# [01:51] <JonathanNeal> oh macbookpro.
# [01:51] <JonathanNeal> ( i failed to see the "a" and I thought "mobile boiler plate" )
# [01:52] <rbrooks> what is good ide??
# [01:53] <rbrooks> i want free
# [01:53] <tw2113> i'm always debating this, and I think I may save up to get one for my next laptop
# [01:53] <rbrooks> airbook :D
# [01:54] <Pomax> http://jsfiddle.net/D68hn/3/
# [01:55] <Pomax> tw2113, don't they all cost the same if you want applecare?
# [01:55] <Pomax> (JonathanNeal: ^^)
# [01:55] <Pomax> drawRotated is pretty much all-var-assignment =P
# [01:56] <rbrooks> idk, i want to try netbeans, but this is to hard for me to decide
# [01:56] <Pomax> the actual drawing is fairly inconsequential.
# [01:56] <tw2113> dunno
# [01:56] <rbrooks> is it better than eclipse, or should i go for ideaj community?? idk...
# [01:56] <tw2113> never owned anything Apple other than a used ipod many years back
# [01:56] <Pomax> Eclipse is a decent IDE, I hear Netbeans is okay, I never used it when I did professional Java developer
# [01:56] <Pomax> *development
# [01:56] <Pomax> most of my programming actually still happens in a text editor.
# [01:57] <rbrooks> Pomax, ok hmm... intellij*
# [01:57] <rbrooks> wow, ok .. hmm i htought eclipse by a longshot, but then as i look more some swear by others..
# [01:57] <Pomax> it's really about what you need to get the job done. if the codebase is elaborate and complex, eclipse etc. is great because you can look up call chains and construct UML diagrams (although that won't work for callback code)
# [01:58] <rbrooks> yeah, and there are over 10 versions of eclipse :D
# [01:58] <Pomax> if the codebase is small enough to fit in your head, honestly an IDE (in my experience) doesn't add anything beyond autocomplete, which I don't like relying on anyway
# [01:58] <Pomax> there's only one version, but many different predefined views
# [01:59] <Pomax> it's all just the base eclipse with "so you don't have to install the additional plugins and views, these versions are preset for ...
# [01:59] <Pomax> "
# [01:59] <JonathanNeal> Pomax: this one works even less so for me, since I have no idea what the x1, x2, etc. values would be
# [01:59] <Pomax> don't look at the function bodies, look at the code after the // ====
# [01:59] <JonathanNeal> I'll presume x1 is top left and x2 is top right (if they were in fact positioned there)
# [01:59] <rbrooks> Pomax, ok right... maybe just get to coding then :D
# [02:00] <rbrooks> i will stop looking, start coding
# [02:00] <Pomax> =)
# [02:01] <JonathanNeal> Pomax, I get that this is drawing points from four corners.
# [02:01] <JonathanNeal> I'm sorry it is taking me so long to understand.
# [02:01] <Pomax> yeah I guess to understand what it does /3 is not very useful.
# [02:01] <Pomax> because it's basically /2 optimised to not repeat calculations
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# [02:03] <JonathanNeal> remember when days were simple? width * Math.sin(angle) + height * Math.cos(angle)
# [02:03] <Pomax> good days. They fail once you rotate too much, though
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# [02:04] <JonathanNeal> drawing four points along four two dimensional coords is not easily translatable to rotating an image.
# [02:05] <Pomax> we take four points, and rotate them about their center point.
# [02:06] <JonathanNeal> I was trying to do that, and then calculating their offsets to generate the new width, height, and x, y offsets.
# [02:06] <Pomax> when you rotate something that doesn't lie on either the x-axis or y-axis, new_x and new_y are both expressed as ratios of x and y, so you're always stuck computing using two dimension
# [02:07] <Pomax> (imagine rotating a point on a circle. The x-axis is the cosine factor, the y-axis the sine factor. Unless you start with a point at (0,...) or (...,0), rotating the point changes both sine and cosine projects in a non-trivial way)
# [02:07] <JonathanNeal> Yea.
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# [02:08] <Pomax> so if we rotate the four corner points, we come up with eight new values (two for each point).
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# [02:09] <Pomax> once we have those, we're essentially done, because the bounding box around those points starts at min(all x)/min(all y) and ends at max(all x)/max(all y)
# [02:09] <Pomax> so that's the rectangular area we need in which to fit the rotated image
# [02:09] <Pomax> PROVIDED we rotage the image around its center point.
# [02:09] <Pomax> if we don't, massive fuckups occur =D
# [02:10] <JonathanNeal> So x1,y1, x2,y2, x3,y3, x4,y4 is really... (just a moment)
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# [02:11] <JonathanNeal> 0, 0, width, 0, 0, height, width, height ?
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# [02:11] <Pomax> in terms of offsets, correct
# [02:12] <Pomax> (if you started with x=0 and y=0, those are the values you'd get)
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# [02:16] <JonathanNeal> could this be simplified IF ... it was assumed the shape was always a rectangle and it was always rotating from the center?
# [02:18] <Pomax> yes
# [02:18] <Pomax> then the changes are the same for each corner
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# [02:22] <Pomax> then the bounding box is at an x-distance (dim/2)*cos(angle_in_degrees-45) and y-distance (dim/2)*sin(angle_in_degrees-45)
# [02:23] <Pomax> where dim/2 is width/2==height/2 because width and height are the same
# [02:23] <JonathanNeal> what is distance? width?
# [02:23] <Pomax> effectively: we only check one corner point, which is always half-width and half-height away from the center.
# [02:23] <Pomax> for a square, width and height are the same
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# [02:23] <Pomax> wait, sorry, are we assuming always rect, or always square?
# [02:23] <JonathanNeal> i'm assuming a rectangle, so not necessarily a square.
# [02:24] <Pomax> then you need either two corner points, and mirroring the results over center x- and y-axes, or four corner points
# [02:24] <Pomax> the computation is pretty much the same for either.
# [02:24] <Pomax> so just doing four points is more uniform code
# [02:28] <JonathanNeal> reading http://stackoverflow.com/questions/622140/calculate-bounding-box-coordinates-from-a-rotated-rectangle-picture-inside
# [02:29] <Pomax> answer 1 is exactly what the jsfiddle does
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# [02:32] <JonathanNeal> I'm just trying my hardest to understand it. At this point, there's a concept I'm failing to understand and I'm trying too hard to translate what you've done into what I need to do with my image.
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# [02:37] <JonathanNeal> Pomax: https://gist.github.com/2128995
# [02:37] <Pomax> you use a var that doesn't exist yet on ly 13/14/15/16
# [02:37] <Pomax> you define w and h after using them for x1/y1...
# [02:38] <Pomax> *on line 13/...
# [02:38] <JonathanNeal> okay, i assigned width and height.
# [02:40] <JonathanNeal> okay, corrected on the gist... so here goes again.
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# [02:45] <JonathanNeal> All kinds of fail.
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# [02:46] <JonathanNeal> Pomax: I posted the latest code I'm using. It's still dismal in practice @ http://sandbox.thewikies.com/temp-canvas/ but I am going to head home. I've bothered you enough.
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# [02:50] <Pomax> http://jsfiddle.net/D68hn/8/ is about as detailed as I can comment it
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# [04:46] <xp_prg2> how do I add a class to a rule?
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# [04:47] <WebDragon> <hr class="foo"> ?
# [04:47] <xp_prg2> table#my id { add class}
# [04:47] <WebDragon> that's more a css question than an html5 question, isn't it?
# [04:48] <xp_prg2> ya
# [04:48] <xp_prg2> nobody is answering in css
# [04:48] <WebDragon> adding a class to table#my_id .class { attributes }
# [04:48] <xp_prg2> :(
# [04:48] <WebDragon> though you could just say #my_id
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# [04:49] <xp_prg2> you don't specify the classes you want to use in the rule inside of the brackets {} ?
# [04:49] <WebDragon> now if you have a table#my_id that _itself_ has possibly other classes applied to it, then you would say #my_id.class (no spaces between)
# [04:49] <WebDragon> ID and class selectors appear outside the brackets
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# [04:49] <xp_prg2> this is not a class selector
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# [04:50] <xp_prg2> I am trying to apply a class to what is being selected
# [04:53] <WebDragon> I'm afraid you'll need to be more specific about what you're trying to do
# [04:53] <WebDragon> it _appears_ to me that you have confused your terminology, though I may just be in caffeine deprivation mode
# [04:53] <xp_prg2> well if I want to apply a class to what a selector is finding
# [04:53] <xp_prg2> for ex the class is ui-icon
# [04:53] <WebDragon> you want to "apply a class" -- to another selector
# [04:54] <WebDragon> how do you plan to "apply" this class, and when ?
# [04:54] <xp_prg2> if I do dv#my_dialog { class: ui-icon;}
# [04:54] <WebDragon> no
# [04:54] <WebDragon> you're thinking about css wrongly
# [04:54] <WebDragon> div#my_dialog should be shortened to just #my_dialog -- an ID can only appear on the page once
# [04:54] <xp_prg2> yes I do know that
# [04:55] <xp_prg2> div makes it more readable to me
# [04:55] <WebDragon> if you have <div id="my_dialog" class="ui-icon"></div>
# [04:55] <xp_prg2> how do I apply ui-icon to that?
# [04:55] <WebDragon> yes but it's overloading the selector
# [04:55] <WebDragon> slows things down
# [04:55] <WebDragon> (or so I've been given to understand)
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# [04:56] <WebDragon> this may be a case where you need more descriptive ID selectors
# [04:56] <WebDragon> if you want to apply ui-icon class to the div, you do it in the html, not in the css
# [04:56] <xp_prg2> WebDragon you keep not answering my question
# [04:56] <xp_prg2> I appreciate your help though :>
# [04:56] <WebDragon> I did answer your question. the problem is, the way you're thinking about the problem is somewhat obtuse :)
# [04:57] <WebDragon> <WebDragon> if you have <div id="my_dialog" class="ui-icon"></div>
# [04:57] <WebDragon> <xp_prg2> how do I apply ui-icon to that?
# [04:57] <xp_prg2> I know I can do class= in the html but I don't want to do it that way
# [04:57] <WebDragon> ^ there was your answer
# [04:57] <WebDragon> how else do you expect to be able to do it?
# [04:57] <xp_prg2> inside of the css for my_dialog
# [04:57] <xp_prg2> can I not put a class in there? #my_dialog { class: ui-icon; } ?
# [04:58] <WebDragon> css doesn't work that way. you could use jquery $( function () { $("#my_dialog").addClass("ui-icon"); });
# [04:58] <xp_prg2> hmm... ok
# [04:58] <WebDragon> but you've got a fundamental misunderstanding of css going on here :)
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# [04:58] <xp_prg2> what a serious limitation to not be able to specify classes inside of rules
# [04:59] <WebDragon> tell that to the people who make css :) you'll get back a few reasons why they don't work that way
# [04:59] <xp_prg2> can you combine rules into one rule?
# [04:59] <WebDragon> the .classes (like the #ID's) have to be specified in the markup
# [05:00] <WebDragon> such as what, for example?
# [05:00] <WebDragon> you can dynamically inject a class into a selector using things like jQuery, but I cannot see how doing it the way you describe, would be of beneficial usefulness
# [05:01] <xp_prg2> div#one_1 { width: 400; }, div#one_2 { wdith: 400}, div[$='one'] { rule: one_1; rule: one_2;};
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# [05:01] <WebDragon> also you can't query the dom for things like if ( $("#selector p").hasClass("foo") ) {}
# [05:02] <xp_prg2> well its beneficial because I can separate the data from the representation
# [05:02] <WebDragon> the css already separates the data from the representation, but you still have to classify it and identify its groupings
# [05:03] <WebDragon> the markup _wrapping_ the data is what needs the classes and identifiers
# [05:04] <WebDragon> <div id="foo"><p>line one</p><p class="highlight">line two</p></div> #foo p.highlight {background: goldenrod; color: black;}
# [05:05] <WebDragon> #foo p:nth-child(odd) { background: snow; color: inherit; }
# [05:06] <WebDragon> in your example #one_1 and #one_2 both having width: 400px; should be a class, instead of two separate ID's
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# [05:07] <WebDragon> then you merely have .foo {width: 400px;} and can use that as a repeatable element
# [05:08] <WebDragon> if your brain is more suited towards thinking along these lines you might find some of the various object-oriented css solutions to be of benefit as an add on, but I strongly recommend you reassess your fundamental understanding of html5 and css3 before taking those steps
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# [05:43] <JonathanNeal> Hi!
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# [06:12] <teslan> which is a better domain name www.TeslaRepubliK.com or www.TeslaRepubliC.com ?
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# [06:25] <moo-_-> teslan: naturally people will type one with correct spelling :)
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# [08:00] <moo-_-> what's best way to detect in JS if CSS file is loaded using some sort of a placeholder elem?
# [08:00] <moo-_-> or are there other approaches?
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# [08:48] <moo-_-> Any ideas of "invisible" styles I could use hinting, e.g. on <body>? The styles which would not affect layout, but become readable via getComputedStyles()?
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# [09:30] <tw2113> ?media queries
# [09:30] <bot-t1> tw2113, Media Queries / Dynamic resolution dependent ... - Plugins - jQuery - The script adds basic Media Query-Support (min-width and max-width in px units ) to all browsers ( http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-mediaqueries/ ). It helps you to create a dynamic resolution dependent l... http://plugins.jquery.com/project/MediaQueries
# [09:30] <tw2113> doh, not quite what i wanted
# [09:30] <tw2113> caniuse media queries
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# [09:30] <tw2113> .caniuse media queries
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# [09:31] <obert-> .yeswecan
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# [10:38] <shast> j css
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# [11:29] <yati> Hi. Is there a way to access the microphone to get audio input using some HTML5 API?
# [11:31] <moo-_-> yati: webrtc maybe
# [11:31] <moo-_-> yati: not in production level, beta level apis available
# [11:33] <yati> moo-_-: No problem as long as they just work. Currently checking out the html5rocks page on "capturing audio and video". Aware of anything else?
# [11:33] <moo-_-> webrtc
# [11:34] <yati> moo-_-: thanks :) Checking it out
# [11:43] <theCole> yati, yes
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# [11:43] <theCole> yati, go look at the google developer youtube channel
# [11:43] <theCole> or
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# [11:44] <theCole> yati, watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH5bJSG0DZk#t=1h50m56s
# [11:44] <theCole> paul irish will rock your world with awesomeness
# [11:44] <theCole> also
# [11:45] <theCole> http://creativejs.com/2012/03/getting-started-with-getusermedia/
# [11:46] <theCole> oh wait, paul_irish is in here
# [11:46] <theCole> but yes, that should get you started
# [11:46] <theCole> if you are wanting more content anyway
# [11:46] <theCole> other than html5rocks -- but you are already at a great resource
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# [11:50] <yati> theCole: Thanks a ton :)
# [11:53] <theCole> yati do not thank me -- thank the developers working on this stuff and the ones sharing it with the world. the webrtc guys are badass as well as everyone at html5rocks and creativejs
# [11:53] <theCole> yati, i recommend subscribing to both of those feeds
# [11:53] <yati> theCole: Done :) Indeed, those guys deserve a hug
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# [11:54] <theCole> more like a statue in stone
# [11:54] <theCole> somewhere very public
# [11:54] <theCole> ^_^
# [11:54] <yati> :)
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# [11:56] <jetienne> yati: you can even use it in webgl
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# [11:56] <jetienne> yati: i will publish something to do a chat in webgl in 2-3 days
# [11:57] <yati> can you tweet when you're done? I'm @yati_itay on Twitter. Also, I am new to front end, and never seem to "get" what webgl exactly is :} Any resources?
# [11:59] <jetienne> yati: webgl is a way to talk directly to your gpu to produce efficient 3D in your browser
# [11:59] <jetienne> yati: http://learningthreejs.com/blog/2012/02/07/live-video-in-webgl/ <- one possible use of getusermedia + webgl (disclaimer this is my blog)
# [12:00] <jetienne> yati: https://github.com/mrdoob/three.js/ for a new comer, using a library makes things much easier. i would advice to look at three.js
# [12:01] <jetienne> http://alteredqualia.com/ <- some nice looking demos from alteredq
# [12:01] <jetienne> http://www.chromeexperiments.com/tag/webgl/ others
# [12:01] <jetienne> and there is a #webgl channel and a #three.js to get more info if you want
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# [14:58] <nilesh786> hi
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# [15:00] <nilesh786> where i find template that has multiple things in single website like handicraft and jewellery ets
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# [15:03] <Jon471> just found out that IE8 only supports the one-colon form for CSS generated content, and IE9 acknowledges that the two-colon form is correct but still renders the one colon form… does anybody know if there is any danger in using just the one-colon form?
# [15:04] <Jon471> seems to be ok in Chrome and Firefox..
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# [16:18] <webguynow> can I get a recommendation on a player for .mp3 that would primarily use html5 features ?
# [16:19] <webguynow> maybe not possible as I'm reading about FF and .mp3 licensing issue
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# [16:22] <moo-_-> webguynow: no go
# [16:22] <moo-_-> flash fallback needed
# [16:22] <moo-_-> or transcode your file
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# [16:25] <ruimarinho> is there any performance penalty for using floats on mobile?
# [16:25] <webguynow> right, so any recc on players ?
# [16:25] <moo-_-> ruimarinho: should not be in practice
# [16:25] <webguynow> think I used jPlayer or YahooPlayer before
# [16:26] <moo-_-> all smartphones have hardware fp support
# [16:26] <moo-_-> ruimarinho: some low end phones might have issues
# [16:26] <ruimarinho> moo-_-: thanks.. this is for iPhone and Android 2.3+, so I guess I'm good
# [16:26] <moo-_-> webguynow: I just use <audio> tags
# [16:26] <moo-_-> why I need player? :)
# [16:27] <webguynow> maybe transcoding is a good option (if I want to get away from Flash); thinking - to what format ?
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# [16:27] <moo-_-> webguynow: you need to formats to cover all browsers efficiencly
# [16:27] <moo-_-> AAC
# [16:27] <moo-_-> and
# [16:28] <moo-_-> Vorbis
# [16:28] <moo-_-> some play mp3
# [16:28] <moo-_-> but not all
# [16:28] <webguynow> maybe my audio tag isn't working because I used src="foo.mp3"
# [16:29] <moo-_-> webguynow: not enough data to answer to your question
# [16:29] <webguynow> this will probably never work
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# [16:29] <moo-_-> webguynow: you know that you can give several sources to one audio tag
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# [16:29] <webguynow> (re: multiple sources) good to know; OK, what browser plays mp3 ?
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# [16:34] <webguynow> http://wam.inrialpes.fr/timesheets/docs/html5media.html looks helpful
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# [16:37] <dr0id> awesomeness, http://www.nike.com/jumpman23/aj2012/
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# [17:03] <WebDragon> dr0id: O_O
# [17:03] <WebDragon> holy fucking awesomeness, batman
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# [17:07] <WebDragon> Bah
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# [17:08] <WebDragon> Bad value X-UA-Compatible for attribute http-equiv on element meta.
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# [17:08] * WebDragon pokes microsoft for this too
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# [19:33] <Wiz_KeeD> hey guys
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# [19:34] <Wiz_KeeD> does anyone know how to make a input field in a mobile device that has a plus and minus sign so you can add and decrease numbers?
# [19:37] <WebDragon> Wiz_KeeD: jquery-ui have anything like that for mobile?
# [19:37] <Wiz_KeeD> jquery-mobile has sliders which are nice but i thought a plus sign would have helped more
# [19:38] <WebDragon> <input type="number" step="1" /> <-- there's also this
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# [19:40] <WebDragon> there's a numericpicker jquery plugin but the plugins site is down and still under active development
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# [19:42] <WebDragon> http://css-tricks.com/number-increment-buttons/ this may also be of some help
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# [20:14] <Jesdisciple> jimmyrcom: try spying on your connection with something like WireShark
# [20:14] <jimmyrcom> I did jesdisciple, that's how I got that, but I have no Idea what it means
# [20:14] <Jesdisciple> ah
# [20:15] <jimmyrcom> has 4 bytes after length, when length is 0
# [20:15] <Jesdisciple> so you mean what do they signify
# [20:15] <Jesdisciple> only one browser or all of them?
# [20:15] <jimmyrcom> yeah, supposedly close frame can have status or something, but it's my understanding status is like 2 bytes unsigned int
# [20:16] <jimmyrcom> I only checked chrome
# [20:17] <Jesdisciple> naturally the developers should know, but if it's all or most browsers then some networking guru should too
# [20:17] <Jesdisciple> I doubt it would have anything to do with HTML
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# [21:42] <willinfront> sorry for the rudimentary question, but i'm curious as to the recommended tag I should use. I'm listing a synopsis of several case studies in a single html document. Each synopsis will include a thumbnail, anchor tag, and text.
# [21:43] <willinfront> should each synopsis be a section, article, just a div?
# [21:43] <xp_prg2> section or article
# [21:43] <xp_prg2> in html5 div's are frowned on
# [21:45] <willinfront> xp_prg2: that's what I was thinking. just wasn't sure if the small amount of content actually made sense in an article tag, or if 20+ sections made sense either
# [21:45] <willinfront> a synopsis tag would be nice
# [21:45] <willinfront> i think i'll use section, thx xp_prg2
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# [22:10] <Jon47> divs are not frowned on
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# [22:10] <Jon47> it just has no special semantic meaning, there are a million good reasons to use a div
# [22:11] <willinfront> Jon47: sure, that makes sense
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