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  4. # [00:01] <Jayflux> weirdly only my middle anchor works with csstransition and the other two don't even though the html is the same
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  9. # [00:08] <Jon47> is there some way to tell google that I really respect any MDN website and have it always put those results first in my result index? I don't want to block all results from other places but if there's an MDN article, that's the first thing I want to see, everytime
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  33. # [00:54] <Zerxer> working with drag and drop in chrome. is there a selector we can use to style the element that sticks with your cursor?
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  35. # [00:55] <Zerxer> I have a span with nothing but a background image in it, but when dragging it, all that transparent space around it becomes white and makes it look bad
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  97. # [03:07] <JonathanNeal> Hello
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  172. # [05:27] <niftylettuce> JonathanNeal: \o
  173. # [05:27] <dr0id> o/
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  175. # [05:31] <JonathanNeal> How are you?
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  179. # [05:37] <niftylettuce> JonathanNeal: good, working on boilerplate for stylus/node
  180. # [05:37] <niftylettuce> might integrate bootstrap
  181. # [05:37] <niftylettuce> idk what community wants
  182. # [05:38] <dr0id> community wants cake
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  189. # [05:52] <niftylettuce> womp womp big update https://github.com/niftylettuce/expressling
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  204. # [06:08] <matt5> hi, besides the twitter bootstrap, are there other html5/css3 web frameworks you'd suggest?
  205. # [06:09] <matt5> tempelate framework, I should rather say
  206. # [06:09] <tw2113> html5 boilerplate?
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  209. # [06:19] <ryanseddon> matt5: http://foundation.zurb.com/
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  213. # [06:22] <matt5> ryanseddon: that's an interesting one. What are your thoughts on blueprint?
  214. # [06:23] <ryanseddon> matt5: never used it so can't really say
  215. # [06:27] <matt5> ryanseddon: here, check it out if you've not seen it before: http://www.blueprintcss.org/tests/
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  217. # [06:29] <matt5> ah, nevermind, it's not html-y5 enough. oth, bootstrap&foundation feel too heave for me. anyways thanks, I'll play around with foundation though
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  237. # [07:22] <JonathanNeal> Would anyone have examples of books online where they look good on tablets?
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  267. # [08:13] <JonathanNeal> "The All-in-One Almost-Alphabetical Guide to Detecting Everything"
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  319. # [09:08] <sedovsek> Hi! Are there any websites you know that are using MultiColumns? Thanks!
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  324. # [09:10] <dr0id> dribbble, cssdeck
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  330. # [09:22] <sedovsek> I'll take a look over there, thanks.
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  403. # [11:12] <jayflux> does anyone know why my css transitions are not working in firefox http://erpfans.co.uk/test/#faqs
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  409. # [11:23] <sinclair> hi everyone
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  412. # [11:24] <sinclair> i have a canvas with a gantt chart i created, the problem is that when i do a "live" resize of the chart IE9 garbles everything up into a soup, works perfectly(as usual) in Firefox, Opera, Chrome.... anyone know any workarounds for clearing the canvas or reinitializing it somehow?
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  415. # [11:26] <jayflux> anyone know why my transitions work on chrome but not Firefox??/ http://erpfans.co.uk/test/#faqs
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  424. # [11:51] <sinclair> context.beginPath(); solved my issue... eee hackish!
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  432. # [11:59] <jayflux> hi guys I've made a test case here: http://jsfiddle.net/9nevB/ .. .. . . .. Could anyone tell me why this works in Chrome and not Firefox or Safari?
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  448. # [12:25] <manuchill> jayflux, have a look @ demo5 here http://css3.bradshawenterprises.com/cfimg/
  449. # [12:26] <manuchill> jayflux, my guess is you need to think of another solution to your problem
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  452. # [12:29] <jayflux> manuchill: thanks just what I need
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  455. # [12:30] <manuchill> jayflux, np & good luck
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  515. # [14:12] <eichi> hello. I have some values I want to show. At the moment I use a <input type="number" to do that. Because I can easy change the values via javascript with .getElementById(..).value = stuff. Is there a way to do this with a normal text? Because then it looks better in my case - without the frame of the field etc
  516. # [14:13] <StoneCypher> <span id="yes"></span> function whatever() { document.getElementById('yes').appendChild(document.createTextNode('Like this')); }
  517. # [14:13] <eichi> I should show text/numbers, I should give it a id and it should have the value field to change value by javascript
  518. # [14:15] <Armen138> just set the element's innerHTML ?
  519. # [14:15] <Armen138> .getElementById(..).innerHTML = stuff
  520. # [14:16] <StoneCypher> yeah why do it the portable standards compliant way
  521. # [14:16] <StoneCypher> when you can use IE extensions
  522. # [14:16] <Armen138> it works on every browser
  523. # [14:16] <StoneCypher> that's nice.
  524. # [14:17] <Armen138> very
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  566. # [15:18] <Jon47> StoneCypher are you saying that .innerHTML is not standard?
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  572. # [15:24] <xec> innerHTML has been included in later standards, but it started out as an IE extension
  573. # [15:24] <xec> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-html5-20080610/dom.html#innerhtml0
  574. # [15:25] <Armen138> same goes for XMLHttpRequest, I guess we should avoid using that too.
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  600. # [15:51] <Jon47> I noticed in the h5bp that the google analytics script loading part has this conditional:
  601. # [15:51] <Jon47> 'https:'==location.protocol?'
  602. # [15:51] <Jon47> does anybody know if there's a reason the string comes first and is equated to the variable? I feel like traditionally it usually goes the other way around, just wondering if this is just the preference of the boilerplate contributors or if there's a good reason for it
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  634. # [16:18] <sinclair> hi everyone
  635. # [16:18] <sinclair> anyone know if it is possible to put html5 canvas elements inside a table?
  636. # [16:19] <Jon47> sinclair i don't think there's any restriction on where you can put them… but if you put them in table but not in a row and cell, that wouldn't be valid..
  637. # [16:20] <sinclair> Jon47, ok need to put them in a row and cell anyway need a way to collapse things but doing it 100% html5 canvas style seems nuts
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  639. # [16:21] <Jon47> not sure i understand
  640. # [16:21] <Jon47> why do you need a table to "collapse things"
  641. # [16:22] <sinclair> because i need that functionality to hide a gantt chart entry depending on which level of information is needed at the moment
  642. # [16:23] <sinclair> i've made the gantt chart in html5 with canvas and it works just fine, problem is handling the situation i just explained =)
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  697. # [17:20] <David_Bradbury> Hmm. Anybody know of a decent "jsfiddle" of sorts? It shouldn't - Auto-Format code or force live previews
  698. # [17:20] <David_Bradbury> It should have modules for JS, HTML, and CSS
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  717. # [17:33] <Jon47> David_Bradbury - I don't think that jsfiddle forces live previews, but I don't think there's a way to turn off the auto-formatting, although why you dislike that, I dunno..
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  720. # [17:34] <David_Bradbury> Jon47: There are plenty of reasons - One, it auto-formats your code when you paste your code in. It then forces HTML4- style code where if you leave off optional end tags, it messes up the formatting for the rest of your code
  721. # [17:34] <Jon47> ah, bummer
  722. # [17:34] <David_Bradbury> The way it handles CSS indention is also quite poor
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  724. # [17:35] <David_Bradbury> JS formatting is okay, but I still find myself going back and having to 'fix' things it alters
  725. # [17:35] <Jon47> you could try jsbin, although I think you'd need to put the CSS into an inline style block in the HTML
  726. # [17:36] <David_Bradbury> And I was refering to JS Bin which either has real-time preview
  727. # [17:36] <David_Bradbury> or no preview
  728. # [17:36] <David_Bradbury> Nothing in between :p
  729. # [17:36] <Jon47> you click "render" to view the preview
  730. # [17:36] <Jon47> when Real-time preview is disabled
  731. # [17:36] <David_Bradbury> But I want to be able to see my code while looking at it
  732. # [17:37] <Jon47> wait i'm confused
  733. # [17:37] <Jon47> if the preview is not real-time, how do you indicate you want it to update?
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  735. # [17:38] <David_Bradbury> Save, or update like JSFiddle does?
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  737. # [17:38] <Jon47> so you want to be able to see the rendered state of the last time you updated the preview, while you're writing the code?
  738. # [17:38] <David_Bradbury> Yup
  739. # [17:39] <Jon47> try hacking jsbin would be my advice
  740. # [17:39] <Jon47> i don't think you'll find a better service than one of those two
  741. # [17:39] <David_Bradbury> Heh fair enough. Maybe I'll just make my own :p
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  747. # [17:43] <Jon47> i bet it'd be easy enoguh to hack jsbin with greasemonkey or dotjs or somethin
  748. # [17:43] <David_Bradbury> True
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  757. # [17:53] <JonathanNeal> A taste of the tablet and mobile version to come @ http://i.imgur.com/3TxZc.png
  758. # [17:54] <David_Bradbury> Pretty
  759. # [17:54] <StoneCypher> that's nice looking
  760. # [17:54] <StoneCypher> have you done pdf yet?
  761. # [17:55] <StoneCypher> admittedly it'd kill the examples
  762. # [17:55] <StoneCypher> but it'd be nice for people who still want the content, on devices like Kindles where running the content directly isn't an option
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  764. # [17:55] <JonathanNeal> Someone else did, actually. We had talked about hosting their pdf on our site, but I think we both just got caught up in work. I don't remember what happened.
  765. # [17:55] <JonathanNeal> That would be a good person to get back in contact with.
  766. # [17:56] <David_Bradbury> I'd like a scroll edition printed on rolled parchment and read to me
  767. # [17:56] <StoneCypher> WELL
  768. # [17:56] <StoneCypher> -caps
  769. # [17:56] <StoneCypher> if you can't find him
  770. # [17:56] <StoneCypher> i own an excellent html/css -> pdf toolchain
  771. # [17:57] <JonathanNeal> That reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cd7Bsp3dDo
  772. # [17:57] <StoneCypher> but if it's already partly or wholly complete, stick with what's done
  773. # [17:58] <David_Bradbury> Heh
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  777. # [18:00] <JonathanNeal> Yea, i'm sure http://s3.amazonaws.com/mislav/Dive+into+HTML5.pdf
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  780. # [18:01] <JonathanNeal> It's talked about here too http://mislav.uniqpath.com/2011/10/dive-into-html5/ it's an in memory version. I think it would be a great resource to link to.
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  783. # [18:04] <StoneCypher> yeah that version seems entirely adequate
  784. # [18:05] <StoneCypher> my offer appears to be unnecessary :) nevermind.
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  793. # [18:18] <JonathanNeal> StoneCypher: when the tablet edition is done, I'm sure there would be a lot of folks that wanted the updated post O'Reilly version.
  794. # [18:19] <JonathanNeal> To be sure, there should always be both available, and a purchase link to the original printed work.
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  796. # [18:19] <StoneCypher> oh, that's out of date?
  797. # [18:19] <StoneCypher> what's the delta timeline like?
  798. # [18:19] <StoneCypher> like is it a week or a year behind or what
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  800. # [18:23] <JonathanNeal> I see a delta from August 22 to to October 4, plus all of the changes since then in the community edition.
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  803. # [18:24] <JonathanNeal> So it probably goes "HTML5 Up and Running", "Dive Into HTML5 ebook" (linked above), then then this current edition.
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  805. # [18:25] <JonathanNeal> We may also want to link to miketaylr's unmodified copy. That seems like the most stable untouched version of the ebook. That would cover everything.
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  809. # [18:28] <StoneCypher> well
  810. # [18:29] <StoneCypher> just let me know if you feel like you want me to pitch in, i guess is the short version
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  821. # [18:48] <Brunoz> anyone from portugal?
  822. # [18:48] <paul_irish> i'm going to portugal in july
  823. # [18:48] <paul_irish> does that count?
  824. # [18:49] <Brunoz> lol
  825. # [18:49] <Brunoz> sure
  826. # [18:50] <Brunoz> do you like our beach and beer?
  827. # [18:50] <paul_irish> yes!
  828. # [18:50] <paul_irish> where in .pt are you
  829. # [18:51] <Brunoz> south
  830. # [18:51] <Brunoz> 30 steps to beach sand :P
  831. # [18:52] <Brunoz> quarteira/vilamoura
  832. # [18:52] <paul_irish> cooool
  833. # [18:53] <Brunoz> yes it is
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  838. # [18:54] <paul_irish> i'm looking at Cascais and Arrifana
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  850. # [19:05] <Brunoz> dood, thats capital
  851. # [19:05] <Brunoz> the "big city
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  853. # [19:06] <Brunoz> if you like cars and traffic thats the spot
  854. # [19:06] <Brunoz> :P
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  901. # [19:47] <David_Bradbury> I love it when there is an interesting article on a blog, and I have to modify their CSS to read it properly
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  925. # [20:25] <danielfilho> Brunoz: i'm not from portugal, but eu posso falar portugues :D
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  931. # [20:28] * Ms2ger guesses .br
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  942. # [20:42] <Brunoz> danielfilho:
  943. # [20:42] <Brunoz> entao és zuca :P
  944. # [20:42] <Brunoz> pelo nome
  945. # [20:42] <Brunoz> eheheh
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  977. # [21:27] <danielfilho> Brunoz ;)
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  981. # [21:30] <koulchilebaiz_> hi all, i am using html and css. i set a z-index (css) for a <video> wich was working, but its not working with <ifram> (youtube's player), whats the problem ?
  982. # [21:31] <koulchilebaiz_> <iframe> *
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  988. # [21:43] <David_Bradbury> http://www.scorchsoft.com/news/youtube-z-index-embed-iframe-fix - might this be your issue?
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  998. # [22:08] <supsup> sup
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  1000. # [22:08] <David_Bradbury> sup
  1001. # [22:08] <supsup> chillin
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  1013. # [22:28] <JonathanNeal> ?up dreamhost.com
  1014. # [22:28] <bot-t> JonathanNeal, Multiple File Upload | jQuery Plugins - Plugins - jQuery - We've been looking to provide a higher-quality, spam-free experience at the plugins site for some time, and a major error on our part forced us to shut down the current site before we could put the... http://plugins.jquery.com/project/MultiFile
  1015. # [22:28] <JonathanNeal> that's not what I was looking for.
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  1031. # [22:46] <JonathanNeal> ?down dreamhost.com
  1032. # [22:46] <bot-t> JonathanNeal, It's not just you! - http://dreamhost.com looks down from here.
  1033. # [22:47] <danielfilho> i just noticed that :/
  1034. # [22:47] <danielfilho> ?down danielfilho.info
  1035. # [22:47] <bot-t> danielfilho, It's not just you! - http://danielfilho.info looks down from here.
  1036. # [22:47] <JonathanNeal> ?diveintohtml5.info
  1037. # [22:47] <danielfilho> didn't knew about this ?down command. Thanks Jon :)
  1038. # [22:47] <StoneCypher> dreamhost is down again? :D
  1039. # [22:47] <bot-t> JonathanNeal, #4668 (new HTML5 input types not recognized by attr()) – jQuery ... - Opened 3 years ago http://bugs.jquery.com/ticket/4668
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  1041. # [22:47] <JonathanNeal> dreamhost is down, even dreamhost itself.
  1042. # [22:48] <danielfilho> yeah.
  1043. # [22:48] <danielfilho> well, off to weekend.
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  1045. # [22:48] <danielfilho> take care everyone.
  1046. # [22:48] <danielfilho> bye.
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  1048. # [22:48] <JonathanNeal> "We are currently experiencing some connectivity issues to one of our datacenters. Our networking, system engineers and datacenter operations teams have been deployed and are investigating. Sorry about the inconvenience this is causing. Please check back here often, as we will be posting updates as we receive them."
  1049. # [22:50] <JonathanNeal> Meh!
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  1051. # [22:50] <paul_irish> ya
  1052. # [22:51] <paul_irish> all my sites too
  1053. # [22:51] <paul_irish> i might be hiring someone to move me somewhere else
  1054. # [22:51] <paul_irish> like
  1055. # [22:51] <paul_irish> tomorrow.
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  1060. # [23:01] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish: yea this was a really bad outage.
  1061. # [23:01] <JonathanNeal> i mean, when even dreamhost.com is down
  1062. # [23:01] <StoneCypher> hostmonster has good uptime in the cheap cpanel range
  1063. # [23:01] <David_Bradbury> I bet it was the terrorists
  1064. # [23:02] <JonathanNeal> they're after our dreams now too?
  1065. # [23:02] <JonathanNeal> didn't southpark cover this?
  1066. # [23:02] <StoneCypher> yep.
  1067. # [23:02] <supsup> the dream is over!
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