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  1. # Session Start: Sat Mar 31 00:00:01 2012
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  13. # [00:25] <daleharvey> paul_irish: yeh the sync api doesnt exist
  14. # [00:26] <daleharvey> the callbacks are optional if you just want to fire and forget :P
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  16. # [00:26] <paul_irish> kk
  17. # [00:26] <paul_irish> someone here was whining that it was making an async thing into a sync API
  18. # [00:26] <paul_irish> and i was like ummmmm noooo
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  20. # [00:27] <daleharvey> god no, javascript would be all like a language with real concurrency if that was possible :P
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  24. # [00:28] <daleharvey> are you up on if / when v8 is going to implement generators?
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  27. # [00:30] <Jayflux> paul_irish whats going on with the colour picker in dev tools. The alpha slider doesnt appear to be working.
  28. # [00:30] <bot-t> (64 hours 20 mins ago) <paul_irish> tell jayflux file a ticket if its broken bro!
  29. # [00:30] <daleharvey> lol, preempted
  30. # [00:30] <Jayflux> hah
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  37. # [00:44] <paul_irish> BOOM
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  88. # [02:16] <tw2113> i like that modernizr+Aurora is showing "no-" on only flexbox and cssreflections
  89. # [02:16] <tw2113> the rest are all supported
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  104. # [02:37] <jarek> Hi
  105. # [02:38] <jarek> let's say I have a div with border-width set to 0.5px
  106. # [02:38] <jarek> what should be the visible border width after transforming this div with "transform: scale(10)"?
  107. # [02:39] <jarek> in Chrome the border is first rounded to 0px and then transformed, which makes it invisible
  108. # [02:39] <jarek> that's not what I would expect
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  153. # [03:42] <Jon47> jarek i wasn't aware that you could do fractional px!
  154. # [03:43] <jarek> Jon47: if it's not possible, why are they even allowed in Chrome Dev tools?
  155. # [03:43] <Jon47> i would have expected what chrome does - round it to a valid value (or not accept the invalid rule), then perform the transform
  156. # [03:43] <StoneCypher> that's not what chrome does.
  157. # [03:43] <StoneCypher> what chrome does depends entirely on your pixel scaling, which in turn is determined by your viewport.
  158. # [03:44] <jarek> StoneCypher: it appears to me that Chrome is just rounding the value
  159. # [03:44] <jarek> StoneCypher: pixel scaling is done only on SVG elements
  160. # [03:45] <jarek> if I set stroke with of 0.1 on SVG element and then scale it 10 times I'm getting 1px stroke on my screen
  161. # [03:46] <jarek> s/with/width
  162. # [03:46] <StoneCypher> if it was rounding, you'd get either 0 or 10
  163. # [03:47] <StoneCypher> a more valid test would be to scale a 1px line by 1.6 and see if you get 1, 1-and-alias, or 2
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  392. # [13:18] <austincheney_> quick question
  393. # [13:19] <austincheney_> how can I convince users to try my vastly superior pretty-print application over the beloved but archaic and incomplete HTML Tidy?
  394. # [13:20] <austincheney_> it seems people recommend tidy only because its name is familiar and many such recommendations are void of any technical merit
  395. # [13:20] <PavelloZ> you can start by dropping me a link :)
  396. # [13:21] <austincheney_> http://prettydiff.com/?m=beautify&html
  397. # [13:22] <austincheney_> the domain name will get you to the tool the rest is just preconfiguration
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  419. # [14:14] <jarek> is the usage of viewBox SVG property considered to be a bad pracitces
  420. # [14:14] <jarek> ?
  421. # [14:14] <jarek> s/praciteces/practice
  422. # [14:19] <austincheney_> jarek no, you should use it
  423. # [14:20] <austincheney_> the width and height of an svg element is the height of the bounding area
  424. # [14:20] <austincheney_> as though externally applied
  425. # [14:20] <austincheney_> viewbox, however, determines how contents within the SVG will display relative to that bounding box
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  429. # [14:24] <jarek> is there a more elegant way to scale the drawing than using viewBox property?
  430. # [14:24] <jarek> I was thinking about using wrapper group and transforming it
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  433. # [14:27] <austincheney_> jarek it takes some practice, and I am not the most experienced person on this matter
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  435. # [14:27] <austincheney_> but the frustration has to do with relation of external CSS factors versus the internalizing viewBox stuff
  436. # [14:28] <austincheney_> it was a big frustration for me to get the Travelocity logo right when I wrote this slideshow: http://mailmarkup.org/slideshow.xhtml
  437. # [14:28] <jarek> the viewBox property is simply not intuitive
  438. # [14:28] <jarek> if I have a drawing of width 500 and height 500
  439. # [14:29] <jarek> and I would like to zoom it to 50%
  440. # [14:29] <jarek> then I have to set viewBox to 0 0 1000 1000
  441. # [14:30] <jarek> it would be much cleaner to just set scale(0.5) via CSS
  442. # [14:30] <austincheney_> also be sure that you are using preserveAspectRatio attribute with the viewBox
  443. # [14:30] <austincheney_> but you are right, the numbers that go into the viewBox attribute are not intuitive and can be frustrating
  444. # [14:31] <jarek> austincheney_: preserveAspectRatio is the ugliest attribute I have seen in my life :/
  445. # [14:31] <austincheney_> the problem with your approach is that svg is designed to stand on its own as an independent graphic for print
  446. # [14:31] <jarek> austincheney_: from my understanding SVG is not suitable as print format for proffessional use
  447. # [14:32] <jarek> austincheney_: because it uses rgba color space
  448. # [14:32] <austincheney_> maybe, i dunno
  449. # [14:32] <jarek> welll, I might be wrong, I'm not print export
  450. # [14:32] <jarek> s/export/expert
  451. # [14:32] <jarek> sorry for typos
  452. # [14:32] <austincheney_> its probably right, but the numbers still well designed for its print intention
  453. # [14:33] <austincheney_> it just becomes frustrating when used as an isolated component of an otherwise larger document
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  524. # [17:18] <irae_> Any HTML5 or Javascript related meet ups, conferences, hackatons in San Francisco (or nearby) this weekend? I am here for the first time and would like to meet some local html5 folks =)
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  534. # [17:41] <Pomax> pop quiz: do websockets play nice with gzipped data
  535. # [17:42] <Pomax> as in requesting gzip-if-available and unpacking at the client
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  541. # [18:01] <Fire-_-Fly> has anyone ran into problems with HTML 5 videos on FF?
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  583. # [19:19] <m0> The popstate gets only fired when we are navigating via browser buttons, but how do I know when it is being triggered via clicking a link (pushState)
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  739. # [23:19] <dahlfors> hello, any tips in the right direction for using the html5 boilerplate build scripts with a wordpress theme?
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  742. # [23:19] <paul_irish> dahlfors: there are two screencasts on it
  743. # [23:19] <dahlfors> paul_irish: talking about this one? http://www.jaygeorge.co.uk/2-html5-build-script-wordpress-2/
  744. # [23:20] <dahlfors> thought I'd give that one a try soon
  745. # [23:20] <paul_irish> bingo
  746. # [23:20] <paul_irish> http://html5boilerplate.com/docs/Build-script/#wordpress-integration
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  749. # [23:21] <dahlfors> paul_irish: any hope for a new git project with html5 boilerplate + wordpress theme? ;)
  750. # [23:22] <paul_irish> ?g bones theme
  751. # [23:22] <bot-t> paul_irish, Bones - The HTML5 Wordpress Starter Theme - http://themble.com/bones/
  752. # [23:22] <paul_irish> whoa
  753. # [23:23] <paul_irish> one sec.
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  755. # [23:23] <paul_irish> retlehs: bro
  756. # [23:24] <paul_irish> i do not see your name on bonestheme anymore. ?
  757. # [23:24] <paul_irish> dahlfors: http://html5boilerplate.com/html5boilerplate-site/built/en_US/docs/forks/#html5-boilerplate-themes-for-wordpress
  758. # [23:24] <paul_irish> lol roots theme
  759. # [23:24] <paul_irish> go go brain
  760. # [23:24] <paul_irish> http://www.rootstheme.com/
  761. # [23:25] <paul_irish> retlehs: are you using soemthing in particular for that Last Updated github widget?
  762. # [23:25] <dahlfors> ah. thanks
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  764. # [23:30] <dahlfors> paul_irish: just finished watching your vids on html5 boilerplate. really good quick intro
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  771. # [23:51] <The-Croupier> is it possible to have divs one on top of the other in specific places? what is that called, so that i can search it online :( i have seen it before.... i need to make a button that show 3 or 4 divs at the same time
  772. # [23:51] <ircjsbot> The-Croupier, sorry, I have never seen it.
  773. # [23:51] <The-Croupier> ?
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