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  1. # Session Start: Tue Apr 03 00:00:00 2012
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  3. # [00:00] <echoSMILE> StoneCypher: simple solutions like this one (for osx): http://www.fluidapp.com/
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  5. # [00:01] <echoSMILE> in short, just a simple app where I can run my remote code like that one.
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  8. # [00:07] <StoneCypher> in the case of windows and mac, the current compilers (msvs and xcode, free and $5 respectively) do that natively
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  10. # [00:07] <StoneCypher> in the case of linux, i'm sure there's a solution, but i don't know
  11. # [00:07] <StoneCypher> in the case of all five big mobile platforms, that's part of the toolchain
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  14. # [00:07] <StoneCypher> adobe air can also do that but it never got much penetration
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  16. # [00:08] <echoSMILE> I will end develing some crossplataform app in some lang for my needs.
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  21. # [00:09] <echoSMILE> but that fluid and prisma tools seams really nice.
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  25. # [00:10] <StoneCypher> well, if they suit you, use them
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  30. # [00:13] <echoSMILE> I need a solid solution. anyway, tks for the info
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  64. # [00:48] <sunbeam> <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=edge,chrome=1">
  65. # [00:48] <sunbeam> Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this?
  66. # [00:48] <sunbeam> Line 8, Column 64: Bad value X-UA-Compatible for attribute http-equiv on element meta.
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  68. # [00:48] <sunbeam> its in the boilerplate template
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  75. # [00:54] <MAvanti> hello sirs
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  77. # [00:55] <MAvanti> im trying to adjust a form to make things line up vertically
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  80. # [00:56] <MAvanti> how do I set a particular width in <td>
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  98. # [01:21] <dahlfors> sunbeam: watch the video
  99. # [01:22] <dahlfors> sunbeam: X-UA-Compatible is probably not in the specs and hence does not validate
  100. # [01:22] <paul_irish> true
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  131. # [02:02] <fariseo> if have many image elements, or input elements, after one another, re-arrange themselves, when you change the size of the broser window..., can i do that with tables?
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  133. # [02:04] <mejiji> try
  134. # [02:04] <mejiji> :)
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  170. # [02:52] <Pomax> oh no, the firefox red panda live stream has finished T_T
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  172. # [02:58] <jarek> HTML5 dose support streaming?
  173. # [02:58] <jarek> s/dose/does
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  192. # [03:55] <niftylettuce> any Markdown pros in here?
  193. # [03:55] <niftylettuce> how can I do a <div> that contains code block /formatting
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  195. # [03:55] <niftylettuce> indent 4 spaces and just put <div> on a line with a break above and below?
  196. # [03:56] <niftylettuce> e.g \n<div>\n>>>><code> or something?
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  451. # [12:48] <Trisox> an one knows a fix for dubble click "bug" in ie 7/8 when using type=file
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  466. # [13:15] <sedovsek> Hey!
  467. # [13:15] <sedovsek> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=q_O9_C2ZjoA#t=145s
  468. # [13:15] <sedovsek> Is there any tool which can help you do this?
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  470. # [13:24] <csmrfx> sedovsek: silly idea: have a js that loads the document, then adds el's to the DOM tree with container positioning styles only
  471. # [13:24] <csmrfx> other than that I think you gonna have to do chromium or firefox hackin'
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  474. # [13:35] <sedovsek> Huh, probably. Would love to see some notes about how it was made in this case.
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  476. # [13:38] <csmrfx> I think Mr. Irish is here
  477. # [13:39] <csmrfx> paul_irish: Hi! Did you see sedovsek's question above?
  478. # [13:40] <sedovsek> csmrfx: Don't know why, but when you mentioned him, this comes to my mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=15qc3_joy5A#t=13s :P
  479. # [13:40] <csmrfx> related to HTML5, CSS3, and DOM Performance -video and the live action footage of the page being rendered
  480. # [13:41] <sedovsek> This is another one: Gecko Reflow Visualization of Wikipedia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dndeRnzkJDU
  481. # [13:41] <csmrfx> I'm more into Dubstep Foxes this afternoon
  482. # [13:45] <csmrfx> Why isn't this made with html5 tek already http://soundcloud.com/dubstep-4/dubstep-foxes-youth-adventure
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  484. # [13:47] <sedovsek> http://blog.mozilla.com/gen/2009/04/09/how-to-make-your-own-gecko-reflow-video/
  485. # [13:47] <sedovsek> found this
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  500. # [14:07] <root66> Hi, I am working on a painting thing using html5 canvas. It works fine in chrome and firefox, but android is giving me the center point for event.clientX/Y in the "touchmove" event and NaN every time after
  501. # [14:07] <root66> http://hookerbots.com/drawing/
  502. # [14:07] <root66> is anyone here familiar with workarounds or incompatibilities that might apply here?
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  505. # [14:09] <csmrfx> you'd be more lucky for js debugging in #javascript
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  517. # [14:22] <sedovsek> Mnjah. End of "free time". Back to client work :/
  518. # [14:23] <sedovsek> Found out this guy http://gyu.que.jp/sjs2007/ made that videos
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  530. # [14:44] <f17dog> hi guys, is there a way to format an html paragraph to look like
  531. # [14:44] <f17dog> hi
  532. # [14:44] <f17dog> guys
  533. # [14:44] <f17dog> is
  534. # [14:44] <f17dog> there
  535. # [14:44] <f17dog> and so on
  536. # [14:45] <StoneCypher> you want each word on a new line, further indented?
  537. # [14:45] <StoneCypher> in a very ugly and undesirable way, you could get that effect with nested spans and position:relative
  538. # [14:46] <StoneCypher> but i wouldn't recommend it
  539. # [14:46] <f17dog> maybe not a single word, but yes, every line indented
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  542. # [14:46] <csmrfx> you need to be more precise
  543. # [14:46] <csmrfx> pastie html
  544. # [14:47] <f17dog> practically, i have a div with some text. Every time text goes on new line, new line must be indented by n.px+1
  545. # [14:48] <StoneCypher> i do not know of a css or html approach to that. doing that with javascript is relatively easy.
  546. # [14:48] <f17dog> on left we must see something like a triangle
  547. # [14:48] <f17dog> StoneCypher, how could I do that with js?
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  550. # [14:52] <Beelsebob> heya, does anyone know what type a canvas's 2D context has?
  551. # [14:53] <Beelsebob> am trying to extend the class with a couple of extra methods
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  555. # [14:58] <csmrfx> js is off topic here
  556. # [14:58] <Beelsebob> can I ask in which channel questions about the JS API for HTML5 are on topic?
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  558. # [14:59] <Beelsebob> (as opposed to about the JS language)
  559. # [14:59] <csmrfx> either use <pre> or nested <p> (or watevr) with margin n+1 px
  560. # [14:59] <csmrfx> * +1 px
  561. # [14:59] <csmrfx> Beelsebob: JS API for HTML5?
  562. # [15:00] <csmrfx> Beelsebob: that comment was not directed at you
  563. # [15:00] <Beelsebob> csmrfx: the javascript library designed to interact with HTML5 elements like canvas
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  565. # [15:01] <csmrfx> Beelsebob: what is that library?
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  567. # [15:01] <csmrfx> and why would such libraries be on topic here
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  569. # [15:01] <Beelsebob> csmrfx: I asked where they would be on topic, not anything about here
  570. # [15:02] <csmrfx> in the respective libraries channels I suppose
  571. # [15:03] <csmrfx> but then again, you were probably not talking about libraries, actually
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  601. # [15:51] <root66> csmrfx: so is this like, your thing? You sit in here and tell anyone with questions fringing on javascript to go to #javascript, then you sit in there and attack them too?
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  604. # [15:51] <StoneCypher> don't whine, root66
  605. # [15:52] <root66> Look at the log
  606. # [15:52] <root66> the guy is an atomic asshole
  607. # [15:52] <StoneCypher> i don't need to. this isn't a javascript channel.
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  621. # [16:15] <dahlfors> root66: jquery mobile might have some solution for that issue - if one exists
  622. # [16:15] <StoneCypher> jquery mobile is still pretty seriously buggy
  623. # [16:15] <StoneCypher> i wouldn't recommend it, personally
  624. # [16:16] <PieceOfSchitt> StoneCypher: agree completely
  625. # [16:16] <StoneCypher> PieceOfSchitt: and given your nick, you should know.
  626. # [16:18] <dahlfors> yeah. jquery mobile is quite fresh. but they still have support for some of those click, touch and swipe actions on android
  627. # [16:18] <dahlfors> so, by checking their code, there might be a solution there
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  629. # [16:18] <dahlfors> no promises, just a possibility
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  631. # [16:19] <StoneCypher> there are other libraries like that which are less broken
  632. # [16:19] <StoneCypher> i don't actually use them so i don't know which they are
  633. # [16:19] <StoneCypher> but i hear good things about sencha touch
  634. # [16:19] <PieceOfSchitt> StoneCypher: yea we tried to work with it for a mobile site & chose sencha
  635. # [16:20] <dahlfors> interesting. will have a look at sencha
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  637. # [16:22] <StoneCypher> to be clear, i have terminal not-invented-here syndrome
  638. # [16:22] <StoneCypher> so all my stuff is from-ground-upwards
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  653. # [16:42] <danielfilho> I found this really great and useful. might help some of you someday too :D http://responsive.victorcoulon.fr/
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  659. # [16:49] <mejiji> danielfilho I dont get it
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  663. # [16:50] <mejiji> nm :)
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  667. # [16:55] <evasivx> mejiji, what does it do? Doesn't do much for me
  668. # [16:55] <PieceOfSchitt> it gives you an erection
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  670. # [16:57] <danielfilho> hahaha
  671. # [16:58] <danielfilho> it's for testing responsive layouts.
  672. # [16:58] <danielfilho> add it as a bookmark, access dnl.bz/blog and then, hit the bookmark and test :)
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  685. # [17:09] <evasivx> ahhhh, snazzy
  686. # [17:09] <evasivx> thank you
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  695. # [17:18] <mejiji> addition to danielfilho's great link, http://caniuse.com/
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  697. # [17:18] <PieceOfSchitt> has anyone tried mojito?
  698. # [17:18] <PieceOfSchitt> I saw some of the syntax it looked like braces overload
  699. # [17:19] <PieceOfSchitt> [ { "settings": [ "master" ], "specs": { "hello": { "type": "allthatjusttosayhello" } } } ]
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  760. # [18:23] <trave> Has anyone else noticed a new problem with Chrome18 on Mac not being able to handle PNG fills in CANVAS? Im just getting solid black fills now.
  761. # [18:23] <trave> I'll work on a demo that i can put up on a fiddle, or whatever...
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  799. # [19:10] <JonathanNeal> Does HTML5 allow for any imaginary elements?
  800. # [19:10] <JonathanNeal> eg <x> <meh>
  801. # [19:10] <PieceOfSchitt> are you serious
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  804. # [19:11] <JonathanNeal> PieceOfSchitt: any elements with no real semantic meaning.
  805. # [19:11] <JonathanNeal> similar to div and span.
  806. # [19:11] <PieceOfSchitt> yea I know what they are ---> yes
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  809. # [19:12] <JonathanNeal> Awesome, what are they or how do I properly implement them?
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  826. # [19:22] <drublic> JonathanNeal: hi jon
  827. # [19:23] <JonathanNeal> ohai drublic!
  828. # [19:23] <JonathanNeal> :)
  829. # [19:23] <drublic> :)
  830. # [19:23] <JonathanNeal> I just read your reply.
  831. # [19:23] <drublic> great
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  833. # [19:23] <tw2113> drublic are you the one i'm thinking of?
  834. # [19:23] <drublic> as you can see I've already implemented the solution I presented before
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  837. # [19:24] <drublic> tw2113: drublic as in drublic? yes :D
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  839. # [19:24] <tw2113> same ID on twitter?
  840. # [19:24] <JonathanNeal> I dig your file_reload_data
  841. # [19:25] <drublic> JonathanNeal: k, do this. sorry if this was not clear that I already pushed this branch :)
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  843. # [19:25] <JonathanNeal> Yea, I would prefer to have all of the branches in sync.
  844. # [19:25] <drublic> tw2113: yes, same id. :D
  845. # [19:25] <JonathanNeal> What can I do to normalize all of this work?
  846. # [19:25] <tw2113> just checking :D also hello
  847. # [19:26] <drublic> sorry, what do you mean? we could merge the caniuse-data branch into master if you like it
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  849. # [19:26] <drublic> i did not do this at the moment because i was not sure if you'd like it
  850. # [19:26] <drublic> and i also understand if this is not the way to got
  851. # [19:26] <JonathanNeal> i don't see any reason why i would not like it
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  854. # [19:27] <JonathanNeal> drublic: the reality is that fyrd is gonna keep updating his site often and his github less often, right?
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  856. # [19:27] <drublic> JonathanNeal: i just thought because you had the cron implemented (https://github.com/h5bp/html5please-api/issues/12#issuecomment-4559904)
  857. # [19:27] <socialhapy> ★ Issue #12 on html5please-api (paulirish; 1m, 2w ago): Pull from live json feed instead of static github version
  858. # [19:28] <JonathanNeal> I have a cron implemented to pull from fyrd's repo.
  859. # [19:28] <drublic> ahhh, ok. so I got this wrong
  860. # [19:28] <drublic> so my commits would acutally fix this stuff, right? it's pulling from caniuse.com/jsonp.php
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  862. # [19:29] <drublic> but as I pointed out before, the file at caniuse.com is not actually what is displayed on the website
  863. # [19:29] <JonathanNeal> right, pulling from that jsonp.php is better than pulling from the github repo.
  864. # [19:30] <JonathanNeal> I would rework the cron job to update the data.json as it is updated by the php from caniuse
  865. # [19:30] <JonathanNeal> wait, really?
  866. # [19:30] <JonathanNeal> so there are three forks?
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  868. # [19:31] <JonathanNeal> the caniuse site, the caniuse jsonp, and fyrd's github repo?
  869. # [19:31] <drublic> I think so, yes
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  871. # [19:31] <JonathanNeal> fyrd's life could be so much easier ... :|
  872. # [19:31] <JonathanNeal> one ring to rule them all, i mean, one file.
  873. # [19:31] <drublic> let's compare: the jsonp does not display anything for getUserMedia, but the website does.
  874. # [19:32] <drublic> but this could also be some different issue
  875. # [19:32] <drublic> actually it would be better to talk to fyrd directly i think
  876. # [19:33] <JonathanNeal> drublic: is it listed under "stream" ?
  877. # [19:33] <drublic> yes
  878. # [19:33] <drublic> http://caniuse.com/stream
  879. # [19:33] <drublic> http://api.html5please.com/stream.json?callback=h5please&texticon
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  881. # [19:33] <JonathanNeal> Right, and "stream" is in the json.php
  882. # [19:34] <JonathanNeal> Right, and we have not updated from the website.
  883. # [19:34] <drublic> ah, right
  884. # [19:34] <drublic> I've checked it locally
  885. # [19:34] <drublic> for stream. it works
  886. # [19:34] <drublic> \o/
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  888. # [19:34] <JonathanNeal> https://raw.github.com/Fyrd/caniuse/master/data.json
  889. # [19:35] <JonathanNeal> so what's busted then?
  890. # [19:35] <drublic> on my local repo i gut the auto-pulling
  891. # [19:35] <drublic> from canicuse/jsonp.php
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  893. # [19:36] <drublic> this is what is in branch caniuse-data
  894. # [19:36] <drublic> if we merge this might solve the problem i guess
  895. # [19:37] <JonathanNeal> so is my problem that I'm not really updating the data.json?
  896. # [19:37] <drublic> yes i think so
  897. # [19:37] <JonathanNeal> from fyrd's github repo? Like, it's just a cron job bug?
  898. # [19:37] <JonathanNeal> Okay, that makes sense, I think that happened when they renamed the project.
  899. # [19:38] <drublic> could be, o
  900. # [19:38] <insulina> hello, I am using canvas and I was wondering if there is some method like drawImageData to canvas, I use putImageData but it replace existing canvas data and I want to merge canvas data with image data, like drawing hover it.
  901. # [19:38] <drublic> or it might be that fryd's repo is not updated regularly
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  904. # [19:39] <drublic> last commit from 10 days ago: https://github.com/Fyrd/caniuse
  905. # [19:42] <JonathanNeal> Updating, just a moment.
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  907. # [19:42] <JonathanNeal> At least we'll get the update going from Fyrd again.
  908. # [19:42] <JonathanNeal> We'll start there.
  909. # [19:42] <drublic> ok
  910. # [19:43] <drublic> I like the idea of de-couple the repo from a server-cron which is not part of the repo :) but this is just me, so let's leave it as is.
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  912. # [19:45] <JonathanNeal> OKAY
  913. # [19:45] <JonathanNeal> WOOT
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  915. # [19:47] <JonathanNeal> http://sandbox.thewikies.com/html5please-api/stream.json?callback=h5please&texticon @drublic
  916. # [19:47] <drublic> great!
  917. # [19:48] <drublic> do you take care of the version that's live, too?
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  935. # [20:05] <JonathanNeal> I do not.
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  940. # [20:08] <drublic> JonathanNeal: you know who does? paul?
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  947. # [20:12] <drublic> JonathanNeal: I gotta go now. write me a message on github or on twitter (@drublic) if I can help you with anything.
  948. # [20:12] <drublic> cu
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  958. # [20:22] <mattkelly> hey folks, we open sourced Ringmark today-- details at https://developers.facebook.com/html5/blog/post/2012/04/03/ringmark-is-now-open-source/
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  979. # [21:04] <danielfilho> mattkelly: neat, dude!
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  985. # [21:15] <ShinyObjects> Hey everyone - I've been searching around a bit and can't seem to find a mature solution:
  986. # [21:15] <ShinyObjects> Does anyone know of a mature and stable live http video streaming solution in html5?
  987. # [21:15] <ShinyObjects> I'd like to get away from Flash
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  990. # [21:16] <ShinyObjects> When I say "live" I mean that I'll need to be able to view a webcam in real time
  991. # [21:16] <ShinyObjects> I haven't seen any support for RTSP or RTMP without plugins, but is there support for other things like Adobe's or Apple's http streaming?
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  1006. # [21:33] <danielfilho> ShinyObjects: I'm not sure if is there a complete and ready solution for that, but you should check out for webRTC, maybe.
  1007. # [21:33] <danielfilho> the guys here at my job can stream to html5 supported types, but it uses flash-server tech.
  1008. # [21:34] <dahlfors> ShinyObjects: afaik, there wasn't any proper solution yet that would have worked for us. I work at a live streaming service, Bambuser.
  1009. # [21:34] <danielfilho> oh, better answer though
  1010. # [21:34] <danielfilho> :)
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  1012. # [21:38] <Velmont> 21:08 < ShinyObjects> Does anyone know of a mature and stable live http video streaming solution in html5?
  1013. # [21:38] <Velmont> I've been working 2 years doing HTML5 videostreaming as my business.
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  1015. # [21:39] <Velmont> I quit now though, -- working in Opera Software instead, -- but pushing stuff I needed for my earlier work :]
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  1017. # [21:39] <Velmont> ShinyObjects: I used Icecast2 with Ogg Theora + Vorbis, -- there's a brand new patch for Icecast with support for WebM though.
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  1020. # [21:40] <Velmont> ShinyObjects: I tried lots of systems, lots and lots, -- I found icecast best.
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  1022. # [21:42] <dahlfors> ShinyObjects: we chose to encode a video stream that opens up in the mobile players when there's live streams
  1023. # [21:42] <dahlfors> serving different streams depending on if it's iOS or Android
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  1027. # [21:49] <dahlfors> ShinyObjects: you are free to evaluate our service. We could need some feedback on our html5 player which is beta: http://bambuser.com/api/embed_htmlplayer
  1028. # [21:49] <dahlfors> ShinyObjects: it's an iframe solution, it will serve html5 video when flash is not available or when mobile clients view it
  1029. # [21:50] <Velmont> Only h264, or webm as well?
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  1032. # [21:51] <dahlfors> good question. I don't work with the backend stuff that much. all I know is that it runs nicely on iphones, androids and browsers with or without flash that I've run it in
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  1035. # [21:52] <dahlfors> yes. it's webm as well
  1036. # [21:52] <Velmont> Well, if it runs in Firefox or Opera withoutFlash, you've done a good job.
  1037. # [21:52] <Velmont> Nice :-)
  1038. # [21:52] <chee> ^_^
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  1040. # [21:53] <Velmont> dahlfors: Thank you for doing that :-)
  1041. # [21:53] <dahlfors> :)
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  1043. # [21:53] <dahlfors> and the basic accounts on bambuser are free btw. so you can test it out how much you want
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  1051. # [21:58] <Velmont> I've looked at it, -- but think I didn't find a good way to push the video to you, -- I'm running dvswitch with several sources on linux. Switching between them etc. I'll also send PNG files out-of-band and sync themwith the video.
  1052. # [21:59] <Velmont> We will finally implement the required stuff in Opera now, -- have been waiting for a browser to implement meta data for that a long time. :]
  1053. # [22:00] <dahlfors> Velmont: http://sprawl.a.net/bambuser-html5.html
  1054. # [22:00] <dahlfors> straight rom my android
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  1060. # [22:08] <dahlfors> oops. pasted the internal url
  1061. # [22:08] <dahlfors> Velmont: http://sprawl.dahlfors.net/bambuser-html5.html
  1062. # [22:09] <Velmont> I'm in Greece, vacation, internet doesn't really ork.. IRC is laggy even.
  1063. # [22:09] <Velmont> So can't watch it :P
  1064. # [22:09] <dahlfors> hehe
  1065. # [22:09] <Velmont> If I could push video-over-http I could probably use bambuser as a middle-man for the delivery.
  1066. # [22:10] <Velmont> If bambuser understands the icecast /shoutcast) protocol.
  1067. # [22:10] <dahlfors> yeah. it's meant to be a middle platform
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  1070. # [22:10] <dahlfors> mobile phones / cameras hooked up through professional broadcasting software / webcams etc
  1071. # [22:10] <dahlfors> and just an embed in the other end
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  1073. # [22:11] <dahlfors> although it's a website of its own as well
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  1078. # [22:18] <natrixnatrix89> Hi guys. I tried running html5slides on iPad, and looks like they aren't fully developed for mobile devices yet.. Maybe there is some alternative?
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  1080. # [22:19] <PieceOfSchitt> yes a kindle
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  1082. # [22:20] <natrixnatrix89> kindle?
  1083. # [22:20] <natrixnatrix89> I have the kindle 2nd gen..
  1084. # [22:20] <natrixnatrix89> but I mean some slide solution
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  1086. # [22:20] <natrixnatrix89> for touch enabled devices
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  1160. # [23:36] <ShinyObjects> Velmont, dahlfors, danielfilho -- thank you very much for the detailed info. I just got back from lunch and I'm reading it now
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  1166. # [23:47] <ShinyObjects> dahlfors: I tried checking out your html5 player in chrome after disabling flash but it just complained that I should enable Flash (rather than falling back to html5)
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