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- # [00:40] <ElGoorf> im having a drama with number input in chrome, i'm using step="0.01" but i still get an invalid number error, and when i look in element inspector, the step option isnt there
- # [00:41] <ElGoorf> is there a version beforewhich it doesnt work that i've not updated to?
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- # [00:43] <ElGoorf> it's also ignoring min :S
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- # [01:32] <obert-> why nav?
- # [01:32] <obert-> is that so common to have a group of lists?
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- # [01:43] <_Sn0w_> Does anyone have experience with RTMP
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- # [02:28] <serdem> is this html5 ? http://www.googleartproject.com/ru/collection/the-museum-of-islamic-art-qatar/museumview/
- # [02:28] <serdem> or flash?
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- # [02:37] <chee> flash
- # [02:37] <tw2113> eww
- # [02:37] <tw2113> oops, not playing word association
- # [02:38] <chee> on a scary scary page
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- # [02:58] <_Sn0w_> LOL omg
- # [02:58] <_Sn0w_> that is not flash
- # [02:58] <_Sn0w_> that is CSS
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- # [03:16] <tw2113> what's the link?
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- # [04:42] <serdem> tw2113, http://www.googleartproject.com/pl/collection/art-gallery-of-new-south-wales/museumview/
- # [04:43] <tw2113> ah
- # [04:43] <serdem> _Sn0w_, sssh
- # [04:43] <serdem> the whole page
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- # [04:59] <synk_> hey guys, experiencing an odd issue - html5 <audio> tag, wav/mp3 files only play first 5 seconds of the audio clip on android (gingerbread) webkit browsers
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- # [05:01] <gpantazis> synk_: both wav AND mp3?
- # [05:02] <gpantazis> seem to remember that VBR mp3s could cause problems sometimes
- # [05:03] <synk_> yep
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- # [06:19] <grantg> niftylettuce: Got your email
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- # [06:20] <grantg> If the person you know wants to do N64, you need that person to study up on the R4300 MIPS CPU
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- # [06:20] <grantg> and the RCP/RDP chips
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- # [06:20] <grantg> so basically look inside the glide and rice64 code bases
- # [06:20] <grantg> so look inside mupen64plus
- # [06:21] <grantg> warning: lots of c++ ahead
- # [06:21] <grantg> LOTS
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- # [06:22] <grantg> The current set of n64 emulators work on OpenGL, so they just take a bit of tooling to get them to work on OpenGL ES 2.0
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- # [06:22] <grantg> And there are mobile ports of mupen64plus that use the gfx plugins for opengl es 2.0
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- # [06:23] <grantg> which webgl is based on
- # [06:23] <grantg> like n64iphone
- # [06:23] <grantg> https://github.com/zodttd/n64iphone
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- # [06:24] <grantg> which is mupen64plus tampered with heavily for opengl es 2.0 and a shitty iphone interface... lol
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- # [06:26] <grantg> Actually, n64iphone doesn't even work on newer iOS versions anymore, someone should take it and fix it
- # [06:26] <grantg> I know it worked on iOS 4.0, but not 4.2+
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- # [06:28] <grantg> The iOS version HAD to be interpreter, so you know the interpreter was used, and not dynarec
- # [06:28] <grantg> due to it being ARM, and the dynarecs being x86
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- # [06:30] <grantg> you'll pull your hair out when you run into converting directx into webgl
- # [06:31] <grantg> *directx calls into webgl calls
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- # [12:19] <JNZ> Should I toss nav inside my header or my body?
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- # [13:32] <niftylettuce> lol wut
- # [13:32] <niftylettuce> it might hurt
- # [13:32] <niftylettuce> <organ> if u toss it in your <body>
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- # [15:22] <moo-_-> more reasons why Android Browser sucks https://github.com/scottjehl/Device-Bugs/issues/3
- # [15:22] <socialhapy> ★ Issue #3 on Device-Bugs (Wilto; 1w, 6d ago): Android 2.2/2.3’s Native Browser and Fixed Positioning
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- # [15:28] <sunbeam> does anyone know a good list of fonts that are pretty safe to use?
- # [15:28] <sunbeam> (eg. 95%+ systems have it)
- # [15:28] <obert-> sunbeam: web safe fonts?
- # [15:29] <obert-> sunbeam: you could be more luck using @font-face
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- # [15:32] <obert-> sunbeam: http://reisio.com/examples/webfonts/ and/or http://www.fontsquirrel.com/ and/or http://www.google.com/webfonts
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- # [15:53] <sunbeam> ok thanks
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- # [15:57] <KuBe> is the <footer> tag safe to use or should i use a div still ?
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- # [16:04] <Ms2ger> Perfectly safe
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- # [16:28] <sunbeam> is jquery an acceptable way atm for handling forms (simple subscribe form) ?
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- # [16:42] <Pomax> sunbeam, jquery is just a general purpose library, what do you mean with "handling forms"?
- # [16:45] <sunbeam> Pomax: I mean, using ajax to send the forms
- # [16:46] <Pomax> that's something very different =)
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- # [16:46] <Pomax> it really depends entirely on what your site needs to do, user experience wise.
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- # [16:47] <neurotech> Does anyone know how I could register a domain with the .cx suffix?
- # [16:48] <sunbeam> Pomax: user can fill in e-mail address, and click subscribe
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- # [16:49] <Pomax> sunbeam, yeah that sounds like something that doesn't even require a form to work.
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- # [16:49] <Pomax> that's just an <input> and a <button> tied to a bit of JS
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- # [16:51] <sunbeam> Yes, but still input needs to be checked
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- # [16:51] <sunbeam> and sent
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- # [16:51] <Pomax> hence the JS
- # [16:52] <Pomax> no specific framework necessary for that, really.
- # [16:52] <Pomax> get the values with an input.value, validate it, if it passes send as POST using xhr
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- # [18:11] <sunbeam> is putting script type="text/javascript" still necessary in html5?
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- # [18:12] <PavelloZ|home> i dont put it anymore :)
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- # [18:12] <PavelloZ|home> and i have a feeling thats not a bad thing nowadays
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- # [18:13] <PavelloZ|home> "The "type" attribute is required in HTML 4, but optional in HTML5."
- # [18:13] <PavelloZ|home> (c) http://www.w3schools.com/html5/tag_script.asp
- # [18:13] <sunbeam> ok nice
- # [18:13] <StoneCypher> it being w3schools, it should be no surprise that's not correct.
- # [18:14] <StoneCypher> it's still required; it just has a default value now.
- # [18:14] <StoneCypher> that's not the same thing as optional.
- # [18:14] <StoneCypher> there will always be a value present for that parameter.
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- # [18:14] <PavelloZ|home> StoneCypher, any proof?
- # [18:15] <StoneCypher> nope. there is no document anywhere on the entire internet that you could use for legitimate reference, and nobody knew w3schools was the worst and most frequently wrong reference on the internet.
- # [18:15] <StoneCypher> because i choose not to be your private search engine, you were right all along, and don't need to say "thank you for teaching me something."
- # [18:15] <PavelloZ|home> actually you didnt teach me anything useful, nobody asked for your opinion, but about facts
- # [18:15] <StoneCypher> i'm not citing opinion.
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- # [18:16] <StoneCypher> furthermore it's certainly not possible to test it by hand with one line of code.
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- # [18:16] <StoneCypher> and you aren't an irc stereotype, demanding proof for anything you're too lazy to look up after giving a wrong answer, and assuming that anyone who doesn't immediately stop and do your research for you must certainly be reciting opinion.
- # [18:16] <StoneCypher> nobody's ever seen this before.
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- # [18:17] <PavelloZ|home> rotfl, ok, not feeding the troll, have a nice day
- # [18:17] <sunbeam> StoneCypher: i've looked up w3schools many times, and although some data is not correctly interpret from w3.org i don't think there is much data not properly explained
- # [18:17] <StoneCypher> [12:08] <StoneCypher> because i choose not to be your private search engine, you were right all along, and don't need to say "thank you for teaching me something."
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- # [18:18] <StoneCypher> sunbeam: okay. of course, you are looking at a case example right now.
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- # [18:18] <sunbeam> StoneCypher: what do you mean?
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- # [18:18] <StoneCypher> i mean go look this up in the real spec and see how it says something completely different than what w3schools says.
- # [18:19] <StoneCypher> i said this five minutes ago, so, i confess i kind of expect you to not bother
- # [18:19] <sunbeam> StoneCypher: look at all the CSS attributes, properties etc on w3schools - how much % of the info they provide is clearly not good / not correct?
- # [18:20] <sunbeam> i think less than 5%
- # [18:20] <StoneCypher> i don't use w3schools, so i really don't know. however, every single time i look
- # [18:20] <StoneCypher> you're making that number up
- # [18:20] <StoneCypher> and i'm not interested
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- # [18:20] <StoneCypher> if you want to tell yourself stories about how some 5% you pulled out of thin air, great, more power to you
- # [18:20] <StoneCypher> but the question you just got answered by w3schools is wrong.
- # [18:20] <StoneCypher> and every single time i look, i find more wrong.
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- # [18:21] <sunbeam> i didn't even look it up, but you are correct that something being optional is something different than not needed anymore
- # [18:21] <StoneCypher> i suspect the number is probably quite a bit higher than that, but since i don't have any data, i'm not willing to just pull numbers out of thin air
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- # [18:21] <StoneCypher> neither of those are the case
- # [18:21] <StoneCypher> it isn't not needed and it isn't optional
- # [18:21] <StoneCypher> it's required with a default value.
- # [18:21] <sunbeam> try to validate it
- # [18:22] <sunbeam> <script src="http://www.google.com/jsapi"></script>
- # [18:22] <StoneCypher> validation wouldn't expose a default value.
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- # [18:22] <StoneCypher> why are you going out of your way to invent tests that don't even work, when you could just look at the spec
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- # [18:22] <StoneCypher> (when also a test that would work is really quite easy to provide)
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- # [19:06] <ontime> Border radius and shadow in IE 8 and 7?
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- # [19:08] <tw2113> not worth the effor
- # [19:08] <tw2113> t
- # [19:09] <tw2113> if you MUST: http://css3pie.com/
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- # [19:09] <ontime> wellll... IE is just not worth ANYTHING to begin with...
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- # [19:10] <ontime> thank you tw2113
- # [19:10] <tw2113> it's good for downloading better browsers
- # [19:10] <ontime> yes! haha
- # [19:10] <ontime> my sentiments exactly
- # [19:10] <ontime> but even then, sometimes it fails :p
- # [19:10] <tw2113> if you go with mac or linux, you don't even need that much
- # [19:10] <ontime> that's right.
- # [19:11] <ontime> welly, I keep portable firefox around because I hate IE that much that I avoid using it unless absolutely necessary.
- # [19:11] <ontime> well*
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- # [19:14] <ontime> hmm tw2113 it's not as easy as pie... it won't work :(
- # [19:15] <tw2113> i dunno how to use it properly, i just know about it
- # [19:15] <tw2113> i say leave them with square corners and no box shadow
- # [19:15] <tw2113> they won't know the difference anyway
- # [19:16] <ontime> true, but this is for an advertisement
- # [19:16] <ontime> I'll notice the difference if I don't make money
- # [19:16] <ontime> :p
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- # [19:21] <ontime> eh .. ok, pie won't work in this case. I guess they'll just have to live with square corners.
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- # [19:27] <jeffsmykil> I was wondeirng given this example: http://pastebin.com/0j5isE7c why one image was overwriting the other
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- # [19:29] <jeffsmykil> or one is on top of the other
- # [19:29] <jeffsmykil> how do I get the layer order I want?
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- # [19:30] <jeffsmykil> a z-index of sorts
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- # [19:41] <ontime> you MUST specify position when using z-index
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- # [19:41] <jeffsmykil> ontime: do you have an example?
- # [19:41] <ontime> so like this: position:relative; z-index:100;
- # [19:41] <tw2113> ^
- # [19:42] <jeffsmykil> on an image draw on the canvas?
- # [19:42] <tw2113> z-index won't work without a specified position, even if it is the default like relative
- # [19:42] <jeffsmykil> context.drawImage(mapImage, 0, 0);
- # [19:42] <ontime> yes, exactly tw2113
- # [19:42] <ontime> I am not sure abou tthat, jeffsmykil
- # [19:42] <tw2113> it'd be worth the time to type it
- # [19:42] <ontime> I haven't messed with that.
- # [19:42] <jeffsmykil> i have one covering the other
- # [19:43] <jeffsmykil> cant figure out how to change the order in which they are stacked
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- # [19:43] <tw2113> z-index
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- # [19:44] <ontime> jeffsmykil: z-index is how it's done.
- # [19:44] <jeffsmykil> oh
- # [19:44] <ontime> you can use it as inline css as well as external style sheet.
- # [19:44] <jeffsmykil> where does it get put though
- # [19:44] <jeffsmykil> oh
- # [19:44] <ontime> example...
- # [19:44] <jeffsmykil> these aren't two canvas'
- # [19:44] <jeffsmykil> these are two objects on the same canvas
- # [19:44] <ontime> give each of them a CLASS
- # [19:45] <ontime> then define in your external style sheet positions and z-index for each
- # [19:45] <jeffsmykil> how do I give it a class if I am drawing it like this?
- # [19:45] <jeffsmykil> context.drawImage(mapImage, 0, 0);
- # [19:45] <ontime> www.pastebin.com
- # [19:45] <jeffsmykil> mapImage.style?
- # [19:46] <ontime> I want to see the code you're working with...
- # [19:46] <jeffsmykil> ontime: http://pastebin.com/0j5isE7c
- # [19:46] <ontime> thanks
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- # [19:47] <ontime> well jeffsmykil: try /join #javascript
- # [19:47] <ontime> or #jquery
- # [19:47] <jeffsmykil> why do you say that?
- # [19:47] <ontime> I'm not so good with javascript
- # [19:47] <ontime> aren't you using javascript to make this work?
- # [19:48] <ontime> oh .. that would be ##javascript ... but I think it forwards you anyway
- # [19:48] <jeffsmykil> ok
- # [19:48] <jeffsmykil> ty
- # [19:48] <tw2113> setAttribute("class", newClass);
- # [19:49] <ontime> jeffsmykil ^
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- # [19:49] <tw2113> not sure how to use it best, but i'd look around for setAttribute() examples
- # [19:50] <jeffsmykil> ty for your help
- # [19:51] <tw2113> i imagine it'd be set like src is in your functions
- # [19:51] <jeffsmykil> yeah this is all new to me unfortunately
- # [19:51] <jeffsmykil> so im shooting in the dark
- # [19:54] <tw2113> i call it learning
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- # [21:31] <chee> <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE-EmulateLMB">
- # [21:31] <chee> http://ompldr.org/vZGE3ZA
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The end :)