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  1. # Session Start: Sat Apr 07 00:00:01 2012
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  15. # [00:35] <vikash> I am planning to make a presentation in HTML5. I saw html5rocks slides, and I am lloking for something better, also impress.js is not getting rendered efficiently in in Firefox (on Linux)
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  20. # [00:43] <Pomax> vikash: http://imakewebthings.com/deck.js/
  21. # [00:43] <vikash> Pomax, thanks I will look at it :-)
  22. # [00:44] <vikash> Pomax, thanks, looks great
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  27. # [00:49] <paul_irish> hows it goin Pomax
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  36. # [00:55] <Pomax> hey paul_irish. not bad, I'll actually be working for Mozilla as of Monday =P
  37. # [00:56] <paul_irish> whoaaa yeahhh
  38. # [00:56] <paul_irish> awesome
  39. # [00:56] <Pomax> \o/
  40. # [00:56] <paul_irish> are you up near seneca?
  41. # [00:56] <paul_irish> one of those folks..
  42. # [00:56] <Pomax> well we moved to Toronto for a year because my wife got a 1 year contract there, which worked out well because of Seneca
  43. # [00:57] <paul_irish> roger that. nice. :)
  44. # [00:58] <Pomax> Which then got me a 10 week temp job at Seneca helping them out with some web games, which was great fun, and now at least for the rest of the year, Mozilla =)
  45. # [00:58] <Pomax> (after that, back to Vancouver, while still Mozilla)
  46. # [00:59] <Pomax> and I hate OpenType fonts so much now I'm writing a JS "binary data parser generator"
  47. # [00:59] <paul_irish> oh my
  48. # [00:59] <Pomax> feed it the spec for a binary data file, out rolls the parser code for it.
  49. # [00:59] <paul_irish> you saw that news about the new woff iteration with crazy compression?
  50. # [00:59] <Pomax> not yet!
  51. # [01:00] <paul_irish> http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2012/01/web-fonts-now-more-compressed.html
  52. # [01:00] <Pomax> cheers
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  54. # [01:01] <Pomax> I really should have a look at WOFF and add support for that in my php parser
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  70. # [01:35] <tw2113> any good thoughts on couchdb?
  71. # [01:35] <tw2113> i'm intrigued
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  78. # [01:49] <tw2113> cool, it's in fedora's repos
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  134. # [03:31] <austincheney> people frequently tend to recommend html tidy for beautification of HTML
  135. # [03:31] <austincheney> why is that?
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  138. # [03:34] <luncht1me> •austincheney• just makes it easier for others to read if you're a messy coder :P
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  140. # [03:36] <austincheney> luncht1me no, I completely understand beautification
  141. # [03:36] <austincheney> my question is why do people so frequently recommend html tidy for that task?
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  143. # [03:39] <luncht1me> why do people recommend Wendy's for CheeseBurgers?
  144. # [03:39] <luncht1me> matter of manisteramed preference
  145. # [03:39] <luncht1me> mainstreamed**
  146. # [03:40] <luncht1me> I haven't looked into it AT ALL, but possibly it has some nice features like consolodating 'style' tages into external css.
  147. # [03:40] <austincheney> ah
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  149. # [03:42] <austincheney> I am just curious about why people recommend certain things where quality or technical merit are deminished motivations
  150. # [03:42] <austincheney> it seems people recommend it because the name is familiar, imo
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  152. # [03:45] <tantek> what are better alternatives to tidy?
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  155. # [03:50] <Azelphur> Might sort of be offtopic, Uninstalled flash today and am trying to use HTML5 for youtube, but the vast majority of videos show the plugin not found logo for a split second, and then say "This video is currently unavailable". Some videos play, but most of them do not. Anyone got any ideas?
  156. # [03:52] <austincheney> tantek http://prettydiff.com/?m=beautify$html
  157. # [03:53] <austincheney> tantek http://prettydiff.com/?m=beautify&html
  158. # [03:53] <austincheney> sorry, typo
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  160. # [03:54] <mindpwned> maybe they are prejudging you on your user agent?
  161. # [03:54] <tantek> austincheney - hey that's neat
  162. # [03:54] <mindpwned> it works np on the ipad
  163. # [03:54] <tantek> I think tidy and that prettydiff serve different purposes
  164. # [03:55] <tantek> I use tidy as a backend tool for cleaning up crap markup
  165. # [03:55] <mindpwned> my question - does anyone have an opinion on future html5 controls vs jquery?
  166. # [03:55] <austincheney> mindpwned I dont use jquery
  167. # [03:55] <austincheney> dont see the point
  168. # [03:55] <austincheney> its just UI candy
  169. # [03:56] <austincheney> JavaScript can be run outside the browser and is a full language for application development
  170. # [03:58] <mindpwned> i use jquery mobile at work - its a piece of crap atm
  171. # [03:59] <mindpwned> but jquery and some jquery ui - the biggest benefit i think is cross browser issues
  172. # [04:00] <mindpwned> how do you deal with cross browser issues when you arent sure if your code will work on all 5 (+ maybe mobile)?
  173. # [04:01] <austincheney> the cross browser issues are minor and few
  174. # [04:01] <austincheney> especially if you compare cross browser issues in JavaScript versus those in CSS
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  180. # [04:10] <mindpwned> js and css get intertwined - i get sick of solving the same problem on safari, safari on an ipad, iphone (dont do those yet), different versions of different browsers on different android tablets, chrome, etc... you know the drill
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  184. # [04:17] <austincheney> mindpwned not really
  185. # [04:18] <austincheney> using JS to make changes to CSS just writes the style change directly onto a node's style attribute
  186. # [04:18] <austincheney> although modern browsers, not tested in IE9/10, all innerHTML changes to the style element in the head
  187. # [04:19] <austincheney> all = allow
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  199. # [04:48] <mindpwned> simple situation - if you have to write to all 5 plus mobile plus cell phones - different versions on each - its a huge problem
  200. # [04:48] <mindpwned> different os's
  201. # [04:48] <mindpwned> theres lie over 100 test cases
  202. # [04:48] <mindpwned> *like
  203. # [04:48] <mindpwned> its the railroad before it was standardized
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  208. # [04:52] <ajvb> mindpwned: That isn't as big of a deal as it might seem, with the exception of IE.
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  289. # [08:11] <JanSch> hi, when I want to embed a javascript from a script file directly into html, what do I do? As the script file may contain </script>, I cannot just do <script>$filecontent</script>
  290. # [08:12] <JanSch> is the content of the script tag supposed to be HTML-escaped, i.e. <script>htmlspecialchars($filecontent)</script>=
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  295. # [08:30] <obert-> JanSch: usually it isnt added inline
  296. # [08:31] <JanSch> I am building an offline version of a web application, and I would like it to be a single file.
  297. # [08:31] <JanSch> i.e. data-URLs and everything.
  298. # [08:31] <obert-> many editors got tabs :p
  299. # [08:32] <JanSch> Yes, this is why I am writing a script to compile the stuff :D
  300. # [08:32] <obert-> compile?
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  302. # [08:35] <JanSch> take the HTML, CSS, JS and PNG files and make one big minified HTML file that noone is going to edit manually, ever.
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  307. # [08:53] <obert-> mmm
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  310. # [09:16] <Kaitlin19> Hey
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  335. # [10:50] <aamironline> As some of you might know last month we launched an innovative Html5 library WebDoodling in private beta. Just to keep you all updated, the shape of library looks promising. We are still working hard to bring this innovative platform to you as soon as possible. Don't forget to register for an invite at http://www.webdoodling.com
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  424. # [15:21] <GFX-1> hi
  425. # [15:21] <GFX-1> anyone can help me?
  426. # [15:24] <GFX-1> ?????????
  427. # [15:25] <NhanTDN> Just say it and wait, people will answer.
  428. # [15:25] <GFX-1> okey so
  429. # [15:25] <GFX-1> i need a people who use google chrome
  430. # [15:26] <NhanTDN> Uhm.. Me.
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  436. # [15:36] <Drew10> Hi, I'm wondering if there's a fix for older browsers regarding anchors wrapped around block items (this is valid since html5) ... I've used anchors around sections in my previous project but I've run into quite a bit of issues because of it (even FF 3.x browsers had issues with it). I know it is supposed to be valid, but there's so many browsers having issues with it, what can I do to still use it effectively ?
  437. # [15:37] <moo-_-> GFX-1: http://opensourcehacker.com/2011/03/17/rfc-simple-internet-question-asking-protocol-for-human-beings/
  438. # [15:37] <GFX-1> okey.
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  444. # [15:43] <Drew10> So to put it in proper wording: I know block-level links are allowed nowadays, but not really supported all that well by older browsers (and some popular javascript plugins like TinyMCE) ... this feels quite unfortunate to me as I'd still like to use block-level links, but I'm just not sure how I can make it work properly in older browsers => Is there a good fix for this ?
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  538. # [19:00] <paul_irish> http://webkitmemes.tumblr.com/post/20464202966/meanwhile-in-the-reviewers-lounge hahahaah
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  543. # [19:03] <jetienne> hehe
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  545. # [19:04] <jetienne> i am doing a web audio intro for musichackparis, i had to rename it "webkit audio api intro"
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  549. # [19:06] <Ms2ger> paul_irish, nice trick, isn't it? :)
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  563. # [19:31] <DavidBradbury> So I'm looking at Bootstrap, having not actually taken a serious look at it before. I really like the features - But there seems to be a TON of bloat. Is there any automated way of removing unused styles/etc?
  564. # [19:32] <Reite> you can download the less files and use only the ones you need..
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  572. # [19:43] <GFX-1> hi
  573. # [19:43] <GFX-1> anyone here?
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  575. # [19:48] <GFX-1> bluezjuice
  576. # [19:55] <DavidBradbury> Maybe
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  578. # [19:58] <benv> no
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  641. # [21:38] <sunbeam> any clue how come google cannot load jquery 1.7.2.?
  642. # [21:38] <sunbeam> google.load("jquery","1.7.2");
  643. # [21:39] <sunbeam> Module: 'jquery' with version '1.7.2' not found!
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  660. # [22:09] <GFX-1> hi
  661. # [22:09] <GFX-1> anyone here?
  662. # [22:10] <DavidBradbury> Nope
  663. # [22:10] <GFX-1> ...
  664. # [22:11] <GFX-1> windows rulz xd
  665. # [22:13] <Octayn> Not a single person
  666. # [22:14] <GFX-1> who use chrome here?
  667. # [22:14] <GFX-1> browser?
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  670. # [22:14] <Octayn> Uses as in daily, or has available?
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  672. # [22:14] <GFX-1> available
  673. # [22:14] <Octayn> Me
  674. # [22:14] <GFX-1> u help me a little bit?
  675. # [22:14] <Octayn> Sure
  676. # [22:15] <Octayn> GFX-1: I'd prefer to not do it in a PM
  677. # [22:15] <GFX-1> yes but this is not public..
  678. # [22:15] <GFX-1> xD
  679. # [22:16] <GFX-1> still :D
  680. # [22:16] <GFX-1> i can only PM lx
  681. # [22:17] <GFX-1> but matter :]
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  690. # [22:29] <GFX-1> anyone help me?
  691. # [22:29] <GFX-1> lol
  692. # [22:31] <StoneCypher> you can ask your question, or you can act like an aol kid and wait for /msg.
  693. # [22:32] <GFX-1> i need a pepole who have chrome and allow PM
  694. # [22:32] <GFX-1> ?
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  697. # [22:39] <GFX-1> html5 + chrome pepole here?
  698. # [22:39] <GFX-1> xd
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  703. # [22:45] <GFX-1> not have online a chrome user?
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  706. # [22:55] <Pomax> as per StoneCypher, just ask your question. Don't ask for people so you PM them. It doesn't help us when you do things in secret, which means hardly anyone will be interested in helping.
  707. # [22:58] <eighty4> GFX-1: you will probably not find anyone willing to help you in PM. Just ask the channel, it will be able to help you out a lot better than any single person will
  708. # [22:58] <eighty4> … Sorry Pomax for repeating what you just said
  709. # [22:59] <GFX-1> ok
  710. # [22:59] <GFX-1> ty.
  711. # [23:00] <eighty4> GFX-1: if what you want to show us is private try creating a small test-case on jsfiddle
  712. # [23:00] <GFX-1> yes good idea
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  728. # [23:18] <gfxx> Really
  729. # [23:18] <gfxx> Lol
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  752. # [23:57] <Pomax> hm, is there some library that lets you show JS objects on a page similar to the expanding/folding Object representation in Firebug/Chrome dev tools?
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