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  4. # [00:00] <ontime> it is the red one on the bottom in this picture: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3430/3946599290_8e216dd2cc.jpg
  5. # [00:00] <ontime> Sokuon
  6. # [00:00] <ontime> is what it is called
  7. # [00:01] <Octayn> ontime: you can use unicode characters in an html file if you use a unicode encoding (utf-8 is common)
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  9. # [00:01] <ontime> yes, utf-8 is what I use for everything that I do.
  10. # [00:01] <ontime> Hmm. unicode.
  11. # [00:01] <ontime> Thanks for pointing that out.
  12. # [00:01] <Octayn> Just copy-paste the character in then
  13. # [00:01] <Octayn> There's also character entities, google that one
  14. # [00:02] <ontime> thank you :)
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  62. # [01:26] <paul_irish> so
  63. # [01:26] <paul_irish> i own http://html5watch.tumblr.com/ which i think has a decent following (maybe 6k-ish)
  64. # [01:26] <paul_irish> does anyone want to help manage it? it gets submissions all the time
  65. # [01:27] <paul_irish> remysharp: yeah setImmediate. the other browsers didnt like it
  66. # [01:27] <paul_irish> and were just like.. let's augment the spec for setTimeout so -1 does the same thing?
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  71. # [01:29] <paul_irish> /msg me if you wanna work on html5watch
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  73. # [01:29] <paul_irish> yes yes y'all
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  85. # [01:57] <Pomax> hmm. Chrome supports DataView, so that one can read bytes, shorts, long etc from an arraybuffer. Firefox does not. What do I use for firefox?
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  87. # [02:00] <Pomax> hm. also, why the hell can we no longer change responsetype for synchronous AJAX... I'm trying very hard to think of a reason, but I can't come up with one that makes sense
  88. # [02:00] <Pomax> if I need to synchronously load a binary data file, how do I say the response is binary, rather than "guessed by the browser".
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  90. # [02:04] <Pomax> nice. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/webgl-dev-list/sJOoNNFY8vo explains it in a way that makes me read "control freaks who claim to know better than you want you to only use the internet the way they deem good"
  91. # [02:04] <Pomax> okay, mini-rant over.
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  94. # [02:05] <Pomax> back to the more important issue.. what's FF's equivalent of the DataView object =(
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  97. # [02:05] <johnkpaul> Pomax: there isn't one yet
  98. # [02:05] <johnkpaul> https://github.com/vjeux/jDataView
  99. # [02:08] <johnkpaul> and https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript_typed_arrays/DataView
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  101. # [02:11] <Pomax> the github one you linked annoyingly seems to get the endianness wrong.
  102. # [02:11] <Pomax> I tried that on yesterday, it generated completely wrong values
  103. # [02:12] <Pomax> *one
  104. # [02:12] <johnkpaul> fork and fix?
  105. # [02:12] <johnkpaul> I didn't do much research, jDataView was linked from MDN
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  109. # [02:32] <Pomax> hm, this seems an updated version of the one I tried yesterday.
  110. # [02:32] <Pomax> with endian override, and now things work.
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  143. # [03:22] <Pomax> there. http://pomax.nihongoresources.com/pages/ABinaryParserGenerator
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  145. # [03:32] <johnkpaul> Pomax: great! glad it worked for you
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  149. # [03:46] <chee> is http://2011.beercamp.com/ like completely D: broken D: on latest chrom for everyone or is this my problem alone
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  178. # [05:11] <chee> <!doctype html public "domain">
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  437. # [14:48] <Velmont> JonathanNeal: Not <aside>? It's farther from a section than an aside. It's not really related to the content.
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  443. # [14:55] <Velmont> So it seems at least Opera, IE and Firefox doesn't do that, -- because the tests doesn't fail.
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  620. # [18:25] <amarcolino_> hi, I have a horizontal region (banner) that holds contact details and and social icons, can someone tell me which is the most appropiate tag to use, <section> or <aside>?
  621. # [18:26] <gfxx> aside
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  627. # [18:31] <Jon47> this might be relevent as well: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/the-small-element.html#the-small-element
  628. # [18:32] <gfxx> :)
  629. # [18:32] <amarcolino_> thanks will use aside
  630. # [18:32] <Jon47> or perhaps footer
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  634. # [18:36] <amarcolino_> I know it aint footer since it is in the banner located on top of the page, however, I read the tags can be quite ambiguous on how to actually use them, will use aside for now, hopefully I will get the hang of these tags
  635. # [18:38] <Jon47> semantics is tricky business, but fortunately it usually doesn't make much practical difference whatever you use
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  639. # [18:48] <amarcolino_> true but it would be nice to get things right, keep it strict and tidy
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  651. # [19:10] <David_Bradbury> Remember though, if semantics is slowing down your coding, you're likely best off just using div's and adjusting it later when you have time. Spending an hour deciding on <section> vs <article> when you could have finished coding the structure by then is a tad silly :)
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  706. # [20:19] <polarity> na bitte
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  724. # [20:36] <danielfilho> hey you! :)
  725. # [20:37] <gfxx> hi
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  742. # [21:02] <beige> I have a _GREAT_ idea
  743. # [21:02] <danielfilho> so _GET RICH_! :D
  744. # [21:02] <beige> one of you handsome young persons should write write up stuff here: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Document_Object_Model
  745. # [21:03] <beige> (because as of this moment I've no clue wtf DOM is :'()
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  748. # [21:04] <danielfilho> beige: I think we might help you with that :).
  749. # [21:05] <danielfilho> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/DOM
  750. # [21:05] <danielfilho> things concerning to front end, you should first take a look at MDN first. Protip!
  751. # [21:07] <beige> ok, when I am all learned up I will write the article on simple.wikipedia myself (and have you folks give me a "check off" if it's all good and correct)
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  753. # [21:08] <beige> a few random questions in a random order: Should a web developer who works mostly on the frontend, know much about DOM?
  754. # [21:08] <beige> the api
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  756. # [21:08] <beige> (starting to read the "short introduction"nnnnnnnow
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  758. # [21:10] <Velmont> beige: Yes, absolutely.
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  762. # [21:13] <jarek> beige: you can't script anything on the frontend without DOM
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  795. # [22:21] <WebDragon> meh, is there any shim that would allow me to style a UL with column-count: 2; column-gap: 4em; on IE 7-8 ?
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  798. # [22:22] <WebDragon> got remysharp's html5.js on there now, along with IE9.js by dean edwards for the css selectors
  799. # [22:22] <WebDragon> but apparently those don't cover multiple-columns
  800. # [22:24] <tw2113> not sure if there's a way to polyfill multi-columns
  801. # [22:24] <tw2113> it'd have to be done with js
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  813. # [22:35] <Velmont> WebDragon: http://www.csscripting.com/css-multi-column/ <--- I was going to say that one, -- but the fscker actually breaks the column-support in Opera! -- Opera renders the columns nice and correctly at first, -- but then when the script kicks in, it breaks it.
  814. # [22:35] <Velmont> WebDragon: So you'd have to fix it if you were going to use it. -- It's from 2005 though :P
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  836. # [22:47] <WebDragon> Velmont: 2005!? zomg
  837. # [22:48] <WebDragon> paleolithic
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  860. # [22:54] <David_Bradbury> Heh
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  898. # [23:27] <jjcm> Hey all
  899. # [23:27] <jjcm> in a canvas element
  900. # [23:27] <jjcm> is there a way to reset the scale?
  901. # [23:27] <grantg> RIP my server
  902. # [23:27] <grantg> http://i.imgur.com/S5kzl.png
  903. # [23:28] <jjcm> scale(x,y) is always relative, is there I way to say "scale this back to its original 100%"
  904. # [23:29] <jjcm> grantg: all on an index page, shouldn't be hard to cache
  905. # [23:29] <jjcm> server should be running cool
  906. # [23:29] <grantg> Little Apache server that couldn't
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  908. # [23:30] <grantg> It is all static
  909. # [23:30] <jjcm> grantg: got varnish running?
  910. # [23:30] <grantg> basic shared server bro
  911. # [23:30] <jjcm> *shudder*
  912. # [23:30] <grantg> yeah
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  914. # [23:30] <jjcm> My father told me horror stories about those growing up, I didn't think they were real
  915. # [23:30] <grantg> The only reason it's still up is because all the files there are static
  916. # [23:30] <jjcm> just fairy tales like Windows ME
  917. # [23:31] <grantg> I converted them from PHP awhile back
  918. # [23:31] <jjcm> Why would anyone voluntarily choose pain?
  919. # [23:31] <grantg> lol
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  921. # [23:32] <jjcm> grantg: If you can afford $20/mo, you should seriously consider switching
  922. # [23:32] <grantg> yeah
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  925. # [23:34] <grantg> ahahaha, the server is slowing down
  926. # [23:34] <grantg> RIP server
  927. # [23:35] <grantg> 503s
  928. # [23:35] <jjcm> grantg: If it's static, you can get a vps running w/ apache and varnish in about 20 min
  929. # [23:35] <jjcm> then just set up a roundrobin to it
  930. # [23:36] <jjcm> hell just sign up for a free micro instance for EC2
  931. # [23:36] <jjcm> and a free MS box (Shudder) from EC2 as well
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  934. # [23:39] <David_Bradbury> Hmm, I've always used PHP for server-side code. Is there something that is considered 'better' now-a-days?
  935. # [23:40] <jjcm> David_Bradbury: *
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  937. # [23:41] <jjcm> David_Bradbury: here's tehe thing, php is fine, but other software is more popular and will thus have more support
  938. # [23:41] <jjcm> ruby = ton of support, lots of plugins, lots of out of the box solutions
  939. # [23:41] <jjcm> Rails is really nicely designed.
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  941. # [23:41] <jjcm> Python is delightful to write in
  942. # [23:42] <David_Bradbury> I've thought of using it, my current provider allowed use of Ruby, but any persistent processes aren't allowed
  943. # [23:42] <jjcm> nodejs is fun too
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  945. # [23:42] <jjcm> David_Bradbury: provider?
  946. # [23:42] <David_Bradbury> Nearly Free Speech
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