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  13. # [00:19] <nuba> danielfilho: heh
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  29. # [00:41] <Pomax> bribroder, you don't need closing tags for elements that are inherently without inner markup or text, like <link> or <br>
  30. # [00:41] <Pomax> pretty sure <script> requires </script>
  31. # [00:42] <Pomax> but <meta> doesn't need a closing tag
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  41. # [00:57] <cgcardona> yes meta is self closing
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  439. # [12:50] <vikash> hi Everyone, Say I have an animation in CSS3, so after it completes how can *remove* it. If thats not possible, Can I change its color after animation ends
  440. # [12:51] <csmrfx> remove animation?
  441. # [12:51] <csmrfx> or remove CSS3?
  442. # [12:51] <vikash> csmrfx, How?
  443. # [12:52] <csmrfx> my english skill is not good enought to decypher what you want to do?
  444. # [12:53] <vikash> I mean how can I change the color of my object when animation ends
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  460. # [13:19] <csmrfx> vikash: using css
  461. # [13:20] <vikash> Yes (or JS) I am writing an animation example, https://github.com/ivikash/Examples-for-the-web/blob/master/src/animation-delay-css3.html . There are three circles and once the animation ends I wish to change the color of circles to white. How can I do this
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  468. # [13:37] <niftylettuce> any other solutions than http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2359578/css-box-shadow-on-container-div-causes-scrollbars to resolve Android box-shadow issues?
  469. # [13:38] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: ping ^
  470. # [13:38] <csmrfx> disable
  471. # [13:38] <niftylettuce> yeah but what if its Ice Cream Sandwich
  472. # [13:38] <niftylettuce> and I dont want to use JavaScript
  473. # [13:38] <logik-bomb> Guys, "TDD front-end development". What should I know about it and how do I get started? Thanks
  474. # [13:38] <niftylettuce> and media queries arent going to work
  475. # [13:38] <niftylettuce> -.- then i have to use JS
  476. # [13:38] <niftylettuce> qq
  477. # [13:39] <csmrfx> logik-bomb: tons, start with selenium
  478. # [13:39] <logik-bomb> I'm ok with selenium (using FF's extension to write tests)
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  480. # [13:39] <logik-bomb> but is there more to it? on the html/css side of things?
  481. # [13:40] <csmrfx> well, you cant test everything
  482. # [13:41] <csmrfx> keep it simple
  483. # [13:41] <csmrfx> keep it sane
  484. # [13:41] <csmrfx> and
  485. # [13:41] <csmrfx> think for yourself
  486. # [13:41] <csmrfx> thats about it, imo
  487. # [13:41] <logik-bomb> so when I see "tdd front-end yada yada" they are talking about JS and unit tests
  488. # [13:41] <logik-bomb> right?
  489. # [13:42] <csmrfx> who knows
  490. # [13:42] <logik-bomb> :)
  491. # [13:42] <logik-bomb> thanks csmrfx
  492. # [13:42] <csmrfx> I guess I usually do duck testing
  493. # [13:42] <csmrfx> just to keep it f¤%#&! simple
  494. # [13:43] <logik-bomb> "duck testing" ?
  495. # [13:43] <logik-bomb> :D
  496. # [13:43] <logik-bomb> lol
  497. # [13:43] <csmrfx> The story or feature wanted a duck. How do you test? Poke at it. Does it quack?
  498. # [13:43] <logik-bomb> "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck."
  499. # [13:43] <csmrfx> yeah
  500. # [13:44] <csmrfx> I guess another way of putting it, is making a wide corridor out of tests, rather than a labyrinth
  501. # [13:44] <csmrfx> when specs change, it doesn't hurt so much
  502. # [13:45] <csmrfx> ppl often make testing sound complex or cool
  503. # [13:45] <csmrfx> fail
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  505. # [13:46] <logik-bomb> I see. Thanks csmrfx. I guess from now on I will pull the "selenium" card when someone asks me about front-end tdd.
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  507. # [13:47] <csmrfx> I think that violates the "think for yourself"
  508. # [13:48] <csmrfx> hehe
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  543. # [14:37] <Guest56783> hello i m looking a html/css dev to make me a small presentation
  544. # [14:37] <Guest56783> contact me if u have time
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  548. # [14:41] <xec_> Guest56783: try #css-lance
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  551. # [14:43] <Guest56783> xec thx
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  648. # [16:55] <mbrevda> im trying to determine if a. there is any spec restriction on the valid contents of an input's value, and b. if there are browser restrictions
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  650. # [16:56] <jamund> mbrevda: recently I found input type=text has a character limit that text area doesn't have. i can't remember the exact number though.
  651. # [16:56] <jamund> *in webkit only
  652. # [16:57] <mbrevda> im interested in content, not quantity
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  656. # [17:01] <mbrevda> for example, most browsers wont accept a line break
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  660. # [17:05] <tohava> how would you recommend testing via javascript if a browser supports binary websocket frames?
  661. # [17:05] <tohava> also, does safari 5.1.5 support binary frames?
  662. # [17:08] <mbrevda> I dont know the answer to your first question, but im pretty sure #1 can answer #2 :)
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  708. # [18:04] <David_Bradbury> I've been playing with various things at https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/wiki/HTML5-Cross-Browser-Polyfills - Makes me happy :)
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  799. # [19:44] <lepton> hello whats the best software for html5 programming?
  800. # [19:44] <gfxx> notepad
  801. # [19:44] <lepton> cmon brah
  802. # [19:45] <_shorinji_> vim?
  803. # [19:45] <lepton> I wanna make a little game for browser usage
  804. # [19:45] <lepton> what do you suggest?
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  806. # [19:48] <_shorinji_> most IDEs will probably do
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  808. # [19:48] <_shorinji_> like netbeans or eclipse
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  810. # [19:49] <_shorinji_> textmate seems to be osx people's fav
  811. # [19:49] <lepton> ok ill try that
  812. # [19:49] <_shorinji_> costs mony
  813. # [19:49] <_shorinji_> money
  814. # [19:49] <lepton> all of them?
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  816. # [19:49] <lepton> i guess ill torrent then
  817. # [19:49] <Armen138> notepad++ is a decent choice if your project isn't too big
  818. # [19:50] <_shorinji_> just textmate I meant
  819. # [19:50] <_shorinji_> netbeans and eclipse are free
  820. # [19:50] <_shorinji_> just as vim
  821. # [19:50] <_shorinji_> :P
  822. # [19:50] <lepton> ok ty
  823. # [19:50] <Armen138> or emacs
  824. # [19:51] <WesleyL> coda if you're on mac
  825. # [19:51] <Armen138> whenever someone suggests vim I feel compelled to suggest emacs for some reason :P
  826. # [19:51] <David_Bradbury> A solid text-editor is all you need
  827. # [19:51] <David_Bradbury> I use Notepad++ myself
  828. # [19:51] <_shorinji_> Armen138: I can't blame you :)
  829. # [19:51] <David_Bradbury> But have been looking at a few others
  830. # [19:51] <David_Bradbury> Sublime looks really nice
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  832. # [19:51] <David_Bradbury> I just haven't converted yet mostly due to using UltraEdit at work too much
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  834. # [19:52] <_shorinji_> hear some collegues trying sublime too
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  836. # [19:53] <_shorinji_> else I think most of them use netbeans. it's pretty ok once you manage to turn off the automatic index building :)
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  838. # [19:53] <lepton> yea but im not a pro programmer, Im a bit noob, a GUI would be nice :3
  839. # [19:54] <tw2113> mmm sublime text
  840. # [19:55] <_shorinji_> you absolutely tend to get "snowed in" on your favorite editor :)
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  845. # [19:56] <gfxx> who know js?
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  847. # [19:57] * Armen138 googles sublime text
  848. # [19:57] <_shorinji_> I reluctantly know js
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  850. # [19:57] <_shorinji_> to some extent
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  855. # [19:59] <David_Bradbury> lepton: Honestly, outside of maybe having autocompletion, there really isn't anything else that would be good for a beginner
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  858. # [20:00] <lepton> I see, thank you
  859. # [20:00] <David_Bradbury> Anything else will likely just make your job harder (And avoid WYSIWYG editors at all costs)
  860. # [20:00] <_shorinji_> gfxx: you have any question?
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  862. # [20:02] <Know1edge> how would you guys handle mousemove/click handlers for subclassed objects
  863. # [20:02] <Armen138> oh wow, sublime text is really, really nice. I'm keeping this.
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  869. # [20:05] <tw2113> sublime text is the new hotness
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  885. # [20:23] <davidmurdoch> Anyone know of an article or research into SSL cert size/performance? Possibly by Steve Souders.
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  887. # [20:23] <davidmurdoch> and it references intermediate certs as a optimization bottleneck
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  1001. # [22:17] <korbatz> hi there. I have "naming" question. If you have an html form, lets say car insurance stuff. And you choose one pulldown option, and based on that, other form fields are being filled automatically. Also similiar to faceted search. How would you name such a feature?
  1002. # [22:18] <danielfilho> Hm, I'm not sure if is there a specific name for that.
  1003. # [22:19] <danielfilho> I use to say "self-filling combos", or just explain it when needed! lol
  1004. # [22:19] <korbatz> jeah, same here, but i wondered if there is maybe some papers about this
  1005. # [22:19] <korbatz> (are)
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  1009. # [22:21] <korbatz> it's preety complicated to configure such a thing when you have let say 50+ fields, and some relations aren't valid
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  1061. # [23:23] <glosoli> I am just curious if <strong> is considered as a tag for HTML5
  1062. # [23:23] <glosoli> ?
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  1066. # [23:27] <nimbupani> everything in html is html5 glosoli
  1067. # [23:27] <nimbupani> go wild
  1068. # [23:28] <glosoli> well but some tags were ditched
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  1070. # [23:28] <nimbupani> yes not strong.
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  1072. # [23:28] <nimbupani> and very few were ditched
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  1077. # [23:31] <glosoli> nimbupani: ok thanks :)
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