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  44. # [01:11] <ShooterMG> How might I go about loading an HTML5 app from another domain into my web page?
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  54. # [01:28] <hober> <iframe>
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  56. # [01:30] <ShooterMG> thanks
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  58. # [01:31] <ShooterMG> would an iframe prevent the app from communicating with the parent page/environment?
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  63. # [01:32] <Velmont> ShooterMG: postMessage
  64. # [01:32] <ShooterMG> awesome, thanks
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  215. # [05:27] <sqwk> Wondering whether a definition list is a better choice than a table when the fields that are defined are different for all rows/articles?
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  228. # [05:53] <Nautilus> Anyone know of a contemporary and well written code to put YouTube videos (a playlist actually) on a page? Something that will help it play on devices without flash?
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  234. # [05:56] <dr0id> no support for animations on pseudo elements on chrome 18 yet ? :(
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  236. # [05:57] <Agu10> hey
  237. # [05:57] <dr0id> o
  238. # [05:57] <Agu10> how can i make a list?
  239. # [05:58] <Agu10> with title and list members?
  240. # [05:58] <Agu10> Items: item1, item2
  241. # [05:58] <Agu10> ul or ol?
  242. # [05:58] <Agu10> what's the proper way?
  243. # [05:58] <dr0id> any, no one cares
  244. # [05:59] <Agu10> really?
  245. # [05:59] <divya___> yes
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  247. # [06:01] <Agu10> great :D
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  251. # [06:06] <tw2113> well, what if you want dots instead of numbers?
  252. # [06:06] <tw2113> or roman numerals???
  253. # [06:06] <tw2113> it does matter, to that degree :D
  254. # [06:06] <tw2113> otherwise, meh
  255. # [06:07] <dr0id> you can hardcode the numbers
  256. # [06:07] <dr0id> like a bozz
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  266. # [06:39] <Nautilus> all that over lists... no reply to my YT embed Q. I have googled but most of what I find is blog blather when YT's beta of html5 was intro'd 1+(?) years ago.
  267. # [06:40] <Nautilus> any pointers appreciated
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  372. # [09:24] <sqwk> Is there a semantic tag for a subhead in a html table
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  377. # [09:30] <kf420> What are your thoughts on using html5, in its current state, in corporate projects/environment (where most companies are still on IE6/7)?
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  389. # [09:45] <_shorinji_> there is no reason not to write for html5 imo
  390. # [09:45] <_shorinji_> just add the html5 shim for old IEs
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  408. # [10:15] <kf420> _shorinji_: that's what i'm thinking. but then i've been reading this book on responsive design, and the author advises not to rely on javascript. his argument is, among other things, that in corporate environments users are more likely to have js disabled by default.
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  410. # [10:17] <_shorinji_> our projects at work has gotten alot of feedback lately of lack of accessibility, which is something I hope html5 will be able to leverage with its semantic tags
  411. # [10:17] <_shorinji_> even though it will surely take time to get people and especially corporations up to speed on newer browsers
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  415. # [10:23] <kf420> _shorinji_: it seems that most, if not all, award-winning interactive sites are lacking in that respect.
  416. # [10:25] <kf420> when i disabled java on some of them, the site becomes completely unusable
  417. # [10:25] <kf420> personally, i'm a proponent of progressive enhancement
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  422. # [10:30] <_shorinji_> we're supposed to comply to the standard wcag 2.0 AA, but not a single dev knows what it means :)
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  526. # [12:39] <sqwk> Is there a way to style the meter tag in such a way to show the 'text version' of the data?
  527. # [12:39] <sqwk> and not the progress bar style background
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  565. # [14:01] <webdev> hello
  566. # [14:01] <webdev> is this valid HTML5? <script src="http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1/jquery.min.js">
  567. # [14:01] <dotmariusz> missing </script>
  568. # [14:01] <dotmariusz> and type="text/javascript", I think.
  569. # [14:02] <Ms2ger> No need for the type
  570. # [14:02] <Ms2ger> But you'll want the end tag
  571. # [14:02] <dotmariusz> That's what I thought, wasn't sure though.
  572. # [14:02] <webdev> ah, i thought <script /> would have sufficed
  573. # [14:02] <webdev> cheers
  574. # [14:03] <Ms2ger> No, <script /> is equivalent to <script>, not to <script></script> as in XML
  575. # [14:06] <moo-_-> Ms2ger: that's nice gotcha which bite my ass few times :<
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  583. # [14:23] <Jon47> you can only do that with void elements: http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/syntax.html#void-element
  584. # [14:24] <Jon47> and making them self closing is optional
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  590. # [14:30] <Ms2ger> Jon47, that's what I said; <br /> is equivalent to <br>
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  675. # [16:32] <Mikike> hey help me pls i set one media rule after charset body width x pixel etc.. and when i resize window not work and i copy the media rule the last lines to footer and there work why?
  676. # [16:32] <Mikike> anyone can help me?
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  687. # [16:49] <sphinxxx> i need help with the build script.. i can't get the order of javascript to be preserved properly when it gets minified
  688. # [16:50] <sphinxxx> talking about the html5 boilerplate build script
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  704. # [17:04] <danielfilho> nuba: let's do it? https://plus.google.com/115959889900934387344/posts/CUVayujVidp
  705. # [17:05] <danielfilho> :)
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  719. # [17:17] <nuba> danielfilho: nice, unfortunately I'm overcommited already until late june :/
  720. # [17:17] <danielfilho> oh, sad :(
  721. # [17:17] <nuba> danielfilho: found yesterday we've got a common friend, Lorn
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  723. # [17:18] <danielfilho> help me to spread it so, if you can. I'm the organizer of the brazilian edition :D
  724. # [17:18] <nuba> danielfilho: it's a somewhat small world, web development in brazil
  725. # [17:18] <nuba> danielfilho: will do!
  726. # [17:18] <danielfilho> Yeap! He told me. I work about 7 meters from him.
  727. # [17:18] <nuba> danielfilho: maybe you should get a dartbrasil.org domain or something
  728. # [17:19] <danielfilho> yeah
  729. # [17:19] <danielfilho> let's see how the hackathon goes
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  732. # [17:19] <nuba> danielfilho: besides my mother-language perl's community, i hang in the rio.js comunity and get somewhat involved with other js communities too
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  734. # [17:20] <danielfilho> Oh, I know a lot of folks from rioJS :) since the 2nd edition I was supposed to give a talk there, but schedule's always cheating me :/
  735. # [17:20] <nuba> danielfilho: i've seen some resistance to dart in those, quite on par with the resistance to coffeescript
  736. # [17:21] <danielfilho> that's normal. I've been resistant to use chrome and didn't get WHY we needed one more browser on the market…
  737. # [17:21] <danielfilho> I can't live without it, today! :D
  738. # [17:21] <nuba> i haven't checked dart seriously enough to have an sound opinion, but i was keeping up with the caja developments and anything carrying that forward starts with good karma, for me
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  740. # [17:21] <danielfilho> that's the goal of this hackathon. to let people have a closer contact with it
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  743. # [17:22] <nuba> "keeping up with caja" as in "paying attention to it in the news", not as in "getting hands on" :)
  744. # [17:22] <danielfilho> i see
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  747. # [17:23] <sphinxxx> any build script masters here?
  748. # [17:23] <nuba> don't take me wrong, but I think we need some serious ground work before we're able to have good discussion of dart pros and cons here
  749. # [17:25] <danielfilho> totally
  750. # [17:25] <nuba> in a gross oversimplification, i'd say we have to many jqueryers and too few app makers around, yet
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  752. # [17:26] <nuba> let me rephrase that: too many people glueing apps together with jquery in a spaghetti code manner
  753. # [17:26] <danielfilho> hshs
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  755. # [17:26] <nuba> there's good jquery, no offense intended to those who use it elegantly ;)
  756. # [17:27] <nuba> (or so i've heard, never seen it, first-hand) #troll ;)
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  759. # [17:27] <nuba> so how's your experience with dart so far?
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  763. # [17:29] <danielfilho> I didn't had too much contact yet… I read Seth Ladd's book, did a few things, but as it is in progress, yet not done, the few knowledge we acquire is worst spreading IMO :)
  764. # [17:29] <danielfilho> and the objective of this hackathon is to acquire and spread knowledge yet :)
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  766. # [17:29] <danielfilho> I'll have a training section tonight with Seth Ladd
  767. # [17:30] <danielfilho> hope to learn good things :D
  768. # [17:30] <nuba> cool :)
  769. # [17:32] <webdev> laters
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  846. # [18:43] <machty> hi guys, noob question here, but if i want to build an HTML5 app with lots of video content and package it in such a way that someone with a mac or pc can just download it and "run" the app, how would i go about doing such a thing? I know I could just zip up all the assets and tell them to run index.html locally frmo the unzipped file, but aside from that seeming a little clumsy, there might be some security issues for running local content th
  847. # [18:43] <machty> might run into, though I forget what the particular rules are
  848. # [18:45] <Jon47> machty - i think whatever solution you come up with would probably vary by platform..
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  868. # [19:01] <mcnesium> any twitter bootstrap pro around here or maybe a hint where to ask?
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  870. # [19:02] <nimbupani> ask on twitter
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  873. # [19:05] <petersed> mcnesium: stackoverflow is pretty quick at answers these days
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  877. # [19:08] <mcnesium> gess that should do it
  878. # [19:08] <mcnesium> i assume my question wont fit in 140 characters ;)
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  908. # [19:40] <David_Bradbury> So what is the general consensus on things like Prefix Free (http://leaverou.github.com/prefixfree/) here?
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  916. # [19:49] <machty> David_Bradbury: seems like the kind of thing that would be better suited in the code for CSS generators, like sass
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  918. # [19:49] <machty> but for people who only ever just use straight up css, maybe it's cool?
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  922. # [19:51] <David_Bradbury> The only problem I see with SASS is that it's a per-processor. That necessarily means that it isn't aware of the browser and isn't aware what prefixes are needed and cannot do feature testing
  923. # [19:51] <David_Bradbury> (Not that I don't like SASS, I just think they have a different purpose)
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  926. # [19:53] <Mikike> http://pastebin.com/84Ny8Ln5 why not work after charset?
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  929. # [19:57] <machty> ohh
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  931. # [19:58] <machty> i didn't read into it enough… i figured it would encounter something like transform: translateX(50px); and then generate like 6 different prefixed versions of it
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  943. # [20:07] <Mikike> http://pastebin.com/84Ny8Ln5 why not work after charset?
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  971. # [20:25] <sphinxxx> paul_irish: i need help with your build script!
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  1153. # [23:41] <taylorRichie> Can anyone recommend a channel for SEO? I have a friend that's server got hacked, google indexed it, and now we're trying to get the google index fixed. Right now google's index is redirecting the site to a russian site… but the issue doesn't happen if you type in the URL, or use any other search engine. I've put in re-index requests with google, but to no avail :( It's been two weeks...
  1154. # [23:42] <machty> taylorRichie: maybe make sure they also didn't hack the robots.txt in some way? though then again this wouldn't make sense since it updated to what the hackers put
  1155. # [23:43] <Jon47> taylorRichie as I understand it, google crawls sites according to how often it detects updates to the content, you have a bit of control with this in that you can use their webmaster tools or sitemap xml files to instruct them about what frequency to crawl
  1156. # [23:43] <Jon47> i think the webmaster tools may even offer a way to force a re-index, though you can't do it too often
  1157. # [23:44] <dilvie> taylorRichie: Make sure that your friend's URL routing didn't get screwed up. It could be redirecting just for Google using apache config files. A 301 redirect would tell Google that the page has moved permanently. If you're using caching, you should also make sure to invalidate the cache.
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  1159. # [23:45] <taylorRichie> Yeah, they allow 10 'forced' re-indexes… I submitted a week ago to be re-indexed So much for 'forced' :) Thanks for the recommendations… I just uploaded a new robots file...
  1160. # [23:45] <taylorRichie> now I'll try and remove cache… that's good thinking...
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  1162. # [23:45] <taylorRichie> (Sorry to hijack the HTML room, but It's very very appreciated)
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  1167. # [23:53] <Jon47> dilvie's thought is a good one - check for .htaccess files that shouldn't be there or diffs in existing .htaccess that shouldn't be there
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