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  71. # [01:18] <Xarthok> can all of this be done on a single html page with html5/js? login form (verify with mysql db), a lobby with a list of other people who are logged in and a list populated with values from a mysql db?
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  74. # [01:18] <insin> yes
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  80. # [01:23] <dahlfors> html5 + js is almost as versatile as zombo.com
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  87. # [01:28] <hober> dahlfors: html5zombo.com
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  89. # [01:29] <dahlfors> yeah. that one is even better
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  102. # [01:47] <shoky> haha <Pomax> I'm going to pretend that's just weird syntax not reflective of the CSS and you actually have { position: absolute; bottom: 0; }
  103. # [01:47] <shoky> it's nice to see you talk about css like you talk about japanese
  104. # [01:52] <Pomax> go with what you know
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  138. # [03:09] <yogurt_truck> does one have to manually call .checkValidity() in order for the html5 email/url/etc input elements to trigger their validation events?
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  141. # [03:14] <mindpwned> will you guys tell me if this joke is funny?
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  143. # [03:16] <shoky> good so far
  144. # [03:17] <mindpwned> here we go
  145. # [03:18] <tertl6> lol
  146. # [03:18] <mindpwned> how many spreadsheet controls does it take to change a lightbulb?
  147. # [03:18] <mindpwned> ...
  148. # [03:18] <mindpwned> an Infinite Amount!
  149. # [03:18] * mindpwned looks left, looks right
  150. # [03:19] <shoky> mind is pwned.
  151. # [03:19] <shoky> frankly i don't get it ;)
  152. # [03:20] <mindpwned> oh, the spreadsheet control is this piece of crap that i have to debug every day that uses more asychronous events than a $5 hooker
  153. # [03:20] <mindpwned> so sometimes the save event gets there before the data, if you know what im saying. ...ill be here all week
  154. # [03:20] <mindpwned> k, you all hate me, bbl
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  160. # [03:33] <mindpwned> maybe ill try in javascript...
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  171. # [03:48] <shoky> at least you die down gracefully
  172. # [03:48] <shoky> ;P
  173. # [03:48] <mindpwned> no usually i get booted
  174. # [03:50] <shoky> hah
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  192. # [04:29] <fariseo> so can you do p2p audio calls with just a plain modern browser?
  193. # [04:30] <fariseo> not sure now if google.talk installs something
  194. # [04:32] <fariseo> ok, it needs a voice plugin
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  233. # [05:56] <agu10^> hey
  234. # [05:56] <agu10^> how can i use divs instead of tables in html?
  235. # [05:56] <agu10^> tables are easy to create... idk how to position divs so that they're like a table
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  237. # [05:57] <agu10^> let's say 4 columns (???)
  238. # [06:01] <mindpwned> like so
  239. # [06:01] <mindpwned> its exactly the same as tables only with css
  240. # [06:01] <mindpwned> style="display:table;"
  241. # [06:01] <mindpwned> style="display:table-row;"
  242. # [06:01] <mindpwned> style="display:table-cell;"
  243. # [06:01] <mindpwned> on your divs
  244. # [06:02] <mindpwned> while testing remember you cant give your rows a border
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  246. # [06:02] <mindpwned> and you are supposed to be able to do it with any element but it only works with divs
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  252. # [06:19] <agu10^> hahah
  253. # [06:19] <agu10^> mindpwned, ok, is that how it's done?
  254. # [06:20] <agu10^> should CSS styles also make sense or can i make crazy things as long as the html is semantic?
  255. # [06:20] <agu10^> let's say, put all my divs floating around everywhere around the page, disregarding the original order in the html
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  260. # [06:26] <tw2113> i worry about hierarchy and structure with my floating divs
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  263. # [06:29] <mindpwned> argu10 i was explaining the basic structure for a css table
  264. # [06:29] <mindpwned> had nothing to do with position
  265. # [06:29] <mindpwned> you seemed like you didnt know
  266. # [06:29] <mindpwned> i didnt realize you were baiting me for troll attempt
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  270. # [06:31] <tw2113> i think he was gnoming you mindpwned
  271. # [06:32] <mindpwned> is that a unix thing where he gets my netstat or someting?
  272. # [06:32] <mindpwned> dont have time for all this crap
  273. # [06:32] <tw2113> no just my thesaurus of online slang
  274. # [06:33] <mindpwned> ...but my explanation was logically accurate
  275. # [06:33] <mindpwned> i dont need anyone to confirm that
  276. # [06:33] <tw2113> not debating that :)
  277. # [06:33] <mindpwned> oh well... okay then
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  313. # [07:26] <lp1> this means iOS 4.2.1 (4.3 seems to be ok), android 2.3 (which is most devices) and at least Chromium from Debian - is there any workaround?
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  342. # [08:17] <Xarthok> does IE still not use new XMLHttpRequest();?
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  353. # [08:23] <ryanseddon> Xarthok: works in IE7+
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  503. # [12:50] <sunbeam> is <strong> still ok in html5?
  504. # [12:50] <JakeA> yes
  505. # [12:51] <JakeA> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/text-level-semantics.html#the-strong-element
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  509. # [12:56] <sunbeam> ok t hanks JakeA
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  575. # [14:53] <nFFF> any easier ways than using image maps
  576. # [14:53] <nFFF> to have selectable parts to an image
  577. # [14:53] <nFFF> maybe svg?
  578. # [14:55] <dahlfors> are image maps still around?
  579. # [14:55] <dahlfors> wow. would have thought those would have gotten deprecated over time :)
  580. # [14:55] <nFFF> whats the new standard way hombre?
  581. # [14:55] <nFFF> just saw a site using maps
  582. # [14:55] <agu10^> i doubt there's a new way
  583. # [14:55] <nFFF> and its something I will need to implement soon
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  585. # [14:55] <nFFF> svg wouldn't be easier?
  586. # [14:55] <Trisox> haha use image maps like 7 years ago
  587. # [14:55] <agu10^> nFFF, in any case, javascript
  588. # [14:55] <nFFF> or canbas?
  589. # [14:56] <agu10^> canbas?
  590. # [14:56] <agu10^> jajaja
  591. # [14:56] <agu10^> canvas
  592. # [14:56] <dahlfors> yeah, I would find some js solution for such these days I believe
  593. # [14:56] <agu10^> remember mb and nv
  594. # [14:56] <dahlfors> haven't used image maps since 90s
  595. # [14:56] <nFFF> thats such a broad recommendation
  596. # [14:56] <nFFF> what sort fo javascript implemntation
  597. # [14:56] <agu10^> dahlfors, nobody cares if they don't see it
  598. # [14:56] <agu10^> nFFF, why are you worried to use maps?
  599. # [14:56] <agu10^> just use them
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  601. # [14:57] <nFFF> Is there any easy way to generate them
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  606. # [14:57] <nFFF> just though perhaps svg would be easier
  607. # [14:57] <agu10^> http://www.w3schools.com/html5/tag_map.asp
  608. # [14:57] <dahlfors> no I checked, they are allowed to use still
  609. # [14:57] <dahlfors> so there's no reason not to - if it works for your solution
  610. # [14:57] <Trisox> agu10^: nice
  611. # [14:58] <dahlfors> use whatever works for your needs, and that is supported in the browser you need it for. I bet this is one of the things where even old IE versions shine :)
  612. # [14:58] <Trisox> just use links :) hehe with some positions what ever
  613. # [14:59] <Trisox> may ways to imitate image maps
  614. # [14:59] <Trisox> div's with data-rol's containing link what ever
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  617. # [15:00] <dahlfors> personally I like to separate elements in images anyway, so that I can have a hover effect that stands out
  618. # [15:01] <dahlfors> like, one element with the background image as background, then the link elements as elements inside the container element
  619. # [15:01] <nFFF> you can do that with image maps
  620. # [15:01] <nFFF> its just so you can define the edges of the different sections accurately
  621. # [15:01] <nFFF> and complexly (word?)
  622. # [15:01] <dahlfors> ah. you need that
  623. # [15:02] <nFFF> yes
  624. # [15:02] <Trisox> yea circle are hard with div's :P
  625. # [15:02] <nFFF> like this: http://www.mrporter.com/journal/journal_issue60/4?cm_sp=homepage-_-fivewaystowear-_-170412#3
  626. # [15:02] <nFFF> see how on the right hover on his clothing
  627. # [15:02] <nFFF> all items are defined with image maps
  628. # [15:02] <nFFF> but fuck that if theres no easy way to generate the coord's
  629. # [15:03] <Trisox> yea that is the methode agu10^ sugested
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  631. # [15:03] <Trisox> well nFFF
  632. # [15:03] <dahlfors> no, that will be difficult for something like that
  633. # [15:04] <dahlfors> there used to be softwares around for creating image maps
  634. # [15:04] <dahlfors> might still be around
  635. # [15:04] <Trisox> you could use some kind of annotation plugin
  636. # [15:04] <Trisox> to set them
  637. # [15:04] <nFFF> I might just use svg/canvas
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  639. # [15:04] <Trisox> make a editor of some kind
  640. # [15:04] <nFFF> surely thats the modern way
  641. # [15:04] <Trisox> annotation works pretty nice
  642. # [15:04] <Trisox> like http://jquery-notes.rydygel.de/samples.php
  643. # [15:05] <Trisox> the image sample
  644. # [15:05] <Trisox> nFFF:
  645. # [15:06] <nFFF> yes but there all rectangles/squares
  646. # [15:06] <nFFF> thats not hard
  647. # [15:06] <Trisox> so make the element the image map.. instead of what ever they use
  648. # [15:06] <Trisox> idea is the same
  649. # [15:07] <nFFF> the only issue is the data map, getting the coords of the edges
  650. # [15:07] <nFFF> nothing else is an issue
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  653. # [15:08] <Trisox> you wouldnt want it form the edges?
  654. # [15:08] <nFFF> what do you mean?
  655. # [15:09] <ard_> you basically want pixel-perfect collisions point vs any image?
  656. # [15:09] <ard_> or is it something else
  657. # [15:09] <nFFF> yes
  658. # [15:10] <ard_> I have a module for this, based on canvas
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  660. # [15:10] <Trisox> nice challange :)
  661. # [15:11] <ard_> will be on github.. soon :P I'm basically using another canvas and mapping each object with an unique color
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  714. # [16:23] <mokush> so, did anybody catch brendan eich yet?
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  719. # [16:36] <Moo^> mokush: is he running away? :)
  720. # [16:37] <mokush> Moo^: he should be, considering the comments on hn
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  723. # [16:42] * Moo^ agrees with Eich
  724. # [16:42] <Moo^> ; is for sissies
  725. # [16:42] * Moo^ crawls back to his troll cave
  726. # [16:45] <_shorinji_> replace everything with lambdas :P
  727. # [16:45] <Pomax> I agree, except where I replace ; with ASI =P
  728. # [16:46] <Moo^> LISP can do perfectly fine without ;
  729. # [16:46] <Moo^> why not Javascript? ;__;
  730. # [16:47] <_shorinji_> also, it is time that every browser supports <script type='text/LOLCODE'>
  731. # [16:47] <Pomax> because javascript doesn't do [[][]]][][[[[][((()
  732. # [16:47] <Moo^> Pomax: oh, it does
  733. # [16:47] <Pomax> _shorinji_, make it happen O_O
  734. # [16:47] <Pomax> lolcode.js
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  738. # [16:48] <Pomax> right, need quick tooling - what's the quickest way to get a split pane page with "click-drag the split" functionality?
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  741. # [16:49] <Moo^> Pomax: jquery mobile has (had?) a widget
  742. # [16:49] <Moo^> extjs has also layout managers, but it is kind of self-contained
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  744. # [16:50] <Moo^> maybe dojo?
  745. # [16:51] <ard_> oh, +1 Pomax, I'm also looking for something like this. I don't want to throw in any big lib (like ext or dojo) though
  746. # [16:51] <_shorinji_> sure, dojos dijit.layout.BorderContainer works
  747. # [16:51] <Pomax> I'm jsfiddling something together because it shouldn't require a 50kb library to do this
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  749. # [16:53] <Pomax> but that's still time potentially wasted on jsfiddling
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  751. # [16:53] <_shorinji_> trying is the first step towards failure homer simpson says
  752. # [16:54] <_shorinji_> :P
  753. # [16:55] <Moo^> _shorinji_: I like that :)
  754. # [16:55] * Moo^ makes a note
  755. # [16:55] <_shorinji_> :)
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  758. # [16:56] <Moo^> Pomax: this is a service to "lispify" your JS
  759. # [16:56] <Moo^> http://discogscounter.getfreehosting.co.uk/js-noalnum_com.php
  760. # [16:57] <Moo^> see what kind of output it produces... ;)
  761. # [16:57] <Moo^> and you probably want to take back your words
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  763. # [16:57] <Pomax> no, see, what you really mean is "lol, someone has done this" and I have no intention of clicking on that link.
  764. # [16:57] <Pomax> I love lisp and prolog, but goddamn keep it the hell away from my JS frontend =D
  765. # [16:58] <Moo^> Pomax: if you don't click it you don't get the joke :)
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  767. # [16:59] <Pomax> that's okay, I can live with that =)
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  793. # [17:42] <`poo> Pomax, FWIW I use this one http://layout.jquery-dev.net/demos/simple.html
  794. # [17:43] <`poo> er donno if you wanted jquery dependent actually
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  797. # [17:43] <Pomax> certainly quick, thanks.
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  821. # [18:26] <jefvel_> If I have a transparent canvas, and a div beneath it that has a background-image property, then try to draw stuff onto the canvas, it looks odd in firefox
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  824. # [18:27] <jefvel_> it looks like this in chrome; http://gyazo.com/a25d67add65ff13892fae78ef638bbe3
  825. # [18:28] <jefvel_> and like this in firefox http://gyazo.com/c11bf0d6c9e5698f2451e5db20746d90
  826. # [18:28] <jefvel_> am I doing something wrong?
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  852. # [19:02] <y3di> and android doesn't support sse either???
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  864. # [19:12] <edwardbc> also, i would switch e.t., i don't think that guy has many fans :p
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  1023. # [22:35] <matt_____> is this a good place to ask about the webrtc api, or should I look elsewhere? I asked over at #webrtc, but they ignored me
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  1033. # [22:39] <shoky> are you afraid you'll get ignored here too?
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  1035. # [22:41] <matt_____> no, I think that I might be asking in the wrong place (HTML5 + CSS3 vs. Web Sockets/WebRTC/Web Workers APIs)
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  1037. # [22:41] <shoky> wrong because you might get ignoreD?
  1038. # [22:41] <shoky> wrong because it's too scary to ask ?
  1039. # [22:42] <matt_____> wrong because it's the wrong topic
  1040. # [22:42] <matt_____> possibly
  1041. # [22:42] <shoky> ok
  1042. # [22:42] <matt_____> would you be able to help me with the webrtc api?
  1043. # [22:42] <shoky> probably not
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  1047. # [22:42] <matt_____> I'll just wait till someone else comes along
  1048. # [22:42] <shoky> good luck with that
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  1059. # [22:57] <matt_____> Is there a webrtc api for sending text/data to other browsers, and not just video and audio?
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  1067. # [23:01] <danielfilho> matt_____: you can probably use websockets for that
  1068. # [23:02] <matt_____> yes, but I don't want to use a server
  1069. # [23:02] <matt_____> websockets needs a server to intermediate between two clients to send data, and I thought it was be awesome if I could send data from browser to browser without the server. if webrtc isn't the answer, any suggestions?
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  1072. # [23:04] <sunbeam> how can i best make my site proper viewable on the ipad?
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  1074. # [23:04] <David_Bradbury> sunbeam: Not enough information - What sort of site is it? What technology are you currently using on the website?
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  1080. # [23:06] <sunbeam> David_Bradbury: can i pm site?
  1081. # [23:07] <matt_____> sunbeam, try http://browsershots.org/
  1082. # [23:07] <matt_____> hope that helps
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  1094. # [23:18] <sunbeam> yep, but its kinda slow
  1095. # [23:18] <sunbeam> does anyone know a faster simulator for ipad?
  1096. # [23:18] <sunbeam> for ie 6,7,8 i have ietester
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  1112. # [23:32] <edwardbc> sunbeam: do you have access to an osx machine?
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  1115. # [23:32] <edwardbc> xcode ios simulator is the most reliable , i haven't seen anything work fine besides that one
  1116. # [23:33] <mszola> Hi. I'm learning how to work with Canvas and I'm having a problem with slicing part of an image, I'm not getting the expected result.
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  1118. # [23:34] <mszola> is anyone familiar with using canvas so I can figure out where I am going wrong?
  1119. # [23:37] <sunbeam> edwardbc: not atnm
  1120. # [23:38] <sunbeam> now currently
  1121. # [23:38] <edwardbc> which one do you use on windows?
  1122. # [23:38] <mszola> My current code is at http://pastie.org/3806912. I am wondering if I misunderstood the tutorial--it isn't cutting out the correct section.
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  1124. # [23:44] <tonyjcamp> What result are you getting?
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  1128. # [23:46] <mszola> thank you, tonyjcamp. I am getting only a tiny section of the image, and it's blown up.
  1129. # [23:46] <tonyjcamp> Ok
  1130. # [23:46] <mszola> I'm not getting the portion of the image I asked for.
  1131. # [23:46] <tonyjcamp> try putting a width and height on the canvas element.
  1132. # [23:46] <mszola> there is one in the css, should I just set it in the javascript?
  1133. # [23:46] <tonyjcamp> That seemed to help me when I was messing with canvas
  1134. # [23:47] <tonyjcamp> Sounds crazy, but try setting it on the element itself, in HTML
  1135. # [23:47] <mszola> all right, I will try that.
  1136. # [23:47] <tonyjcamp> width="x" height="y"
  1137. # [23:47] <mszola> I need to make an animation, but to start with, I want to make sure that the "cuts" work correctly before I worry about scaling them.
  1138. # [23:47] <David_Bradbury> eww
  1139. # [23:48] <David_Bradbury> Don't set width/height in HTML - ctx.width = "1500px"; ctx.height = "997px";
  1140. # [23:48] <tonyjcamp> That should work too.
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  1142. # [23:49] <mszola> oh!
  1143. # [23:50] <mszola> it worked! you guys are awesome.
  1144. # [23:50] <mszola> :)
  1145. # [23:50] <tonyjcamp> yay
  1146. # [23:50] <David_Bradbury> Congrats
  1147. # [23:50] <mszola> thank you very much!
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  1149. # [23:51] <tonyjcamp> NP
  1150. # [23:51] <tonyjcamp> Had the same issue, it killed me for a while.
  1151. # [23:51] <tonyjcamp> Glad to help.
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